Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Maniac on December 22, 2001, 04:59:00 AM
-
Axies vs Allied arena with base capture enabled etc...
-- - - -- - -- -
ARENA SETTINGS:
Baltic Terrain / 2 countries
Radar: Sector Counters only, disabled below 500ft. (in-tower and in-plane)
Icons: Scenario style (short)
Field Capture enabled
Killshooter: on
FIELD SETTINGS:
AXIS
Fighters/Jabo: (all fields)
109F4
109G2
109G6
FW190a5
FW190F8 -Substitute for Fw 190F-3
FW190a8 -Substitute for Fw 190A-7
Medium Bomber: (all fields)
JU88
Troop/Cargo Delivery: (all fields)
C-47 -Substitute for JU52
M-3 -Substitute for German Halftrack
Ground Vehicles (all fields)
Panzer IV
Ostwind
ALLIES
Fighters/Jabo: (all fields)
Spit5
Spit9
Typhoon IB
Mosquito
Hurricane IIc
P47d11
P51b
Carrier Based: (carriers only)
Seafire
F4U-1
TBM
Medium Bomber: (all fields)
B26
Troop/Cargo Delivery: (all fields)
C-47
M-3
Ground Vehicles (all fields)
Panzer IV -Substitute for Sherman
M-8
M-16
Ground Vehicles (fleets only)
LVT(A)2
LVT(A)4
------------------------------------------------
Our goal is to see the Combat Theater remain populated around the clock from this Saturday on. I know there are several of you who have posted your desires for a reduced icon/radar 2-sided historical type arena. Well, here it is. I strongly encourage you to relay this post to your friends who may have interest in this arena. Tell everyone who you think would enjoy this. Help us make this arena a full time alternative to the Aces High main arena. We're trying to do our part by building a fun setup, that's all we can do. It's up to you to click on "Combat Theater" when you log on.
I look forward to seeing you in the air.
-------------------
Regards,
hblair
Combat Theater Staff
-
I'll give this a try later, if there are some numbers on. Don't take that wrong, I just won't have very long to fly when I get in...
-
Could someone enable P-47D-11 at all fields please? I couldn't find a field where it was enabled.
Thanks!
-
Ok the Nightmares VMF-101 will be there at 2000 hours EST. So you axis better watch out! :D
-
Good luck with this. I was in the CT earlier this morning and it's a rush.
Mostly me rushing to the ground after getting blown away by 109's. But alot of fun. :D
-
Well different perspective on the CT.
All I saw was a jug, couple of spits,
and typhoons running this way.. and typhoons running that way.
Spent the better part of an hour chasing typhoons all over the arena.
Didn't find that very appealing..
Jagd27
-
You were in the wrong spot, then. I saw Spit V's, P-51B's, F6F's, and Hurri's. I was in the trusty A5 and got a few of them, too. 'Course a few got me as well. ;)
It was fun. You had to be a lot more careful, dots change to hard-charging enemies in a blink. Bounces were easier to make- especially if someone left the keyboard, eh Maniac? ;)
-
My take on the CT tonight:
Logged in, said there were 34 people in the arena. Yay!
Took off (P-51B), flew towards enemy base. Noticed that the friendlies in the area seemed happy with milling around our base. Got in a tangle with two 109's that tried to tag-team me, eventually the fight worked back towards my base and the friendlies jumped in and got both 109's.
Then lo and behold....nothing. Flew around trying to find a fight and couldn't find a thing. There were around half a dozen friendlies up and according to dar no enemies. 34-odd people in the arena and I couldn't find anything to do besides look at the scenery.
I was forced to assume that the enemies (and a lot of friendlies) were either AFK and not flying, or milkrunning undefended bases. Repeated queries on the text buffer as to where the action was netted no result whatsoever. Despite the 34-odd people logged on it seemed like a ghost town. Hardly any activity in the text buffer.
Got frustrated and logged. Milkrunning doesn't interest me.
J_A_B
-
Bragging rights. What's needed is bragging rights.
Hangtime, Hristo, where are you when we need you? :D (Good Lord, can you believe I am even asking for this?!) For better or worse, these two guys were inspired leaders, and could whip the masses up.
-
[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]
-
I had a blast in the CT today and tonight
some great fights!
some things I think that would help the idea spread::
a 'check 6' type atmosphere (with the right terrain) Have the arena open for a certain time (say, for 3-5 hour periods on weekends) where there are specific goals to be accomplished. german tanks need to advance to X base. Allied bombers need to carpet bomb Y factories. etc etc. If the CT was a mini-scenario in itself, it'd be a blast.
get squads organized in there so that we can do some historical recreations. Can someone say 'ploesti'?
scoring. I bet when it gets added, the numbers will balance out between MA and CT.
the CT staff deserves a lot of credit. they have a pretty good vision of the whole 'historical thing' and i hope they stick to it. I used to love the wb 2.77 historical arena, and i hope this catches on even better then that did.
-
Certainly is a change of pace from the MA. I had some fun, and will be checking back. The only strange thing was I died twice to Killshooter. I can't remember the last time I had a Killshooter death in the MA. Not sure what it means.
-
I must be missing someting Karnak as I have yet to see an elitist attitude from anyone in the CT so far.
I sincerely hope that kind of attitude stays out of the arena.
-
[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]
-
Come on Karnak, you gotta admit that goosestepping is good for a laugh. :)
Seriously, I didn't any see especially elitist attitudes in the CT.
-
Karnak...
Where are you finding this elitist attitude?
So far, from what I've read on the boards and in that arena, everyone seems to be having a pretty good time. Its DIFFERENT from the Main Arena, the radar is no longer AWACS/JSTARS baloney and the matchup seems pretty even. (I'm not into the historical match ups...my thoughts on what the CT should be vary a lot from others. But, I feel what we have is a great compromise of many good ideas).
I liked it, and flew it for a while until my squaddies ICQ'd me to help them out in the Main.
Me thinks you have a personality issue with the CT staff or something. I do not see this elitist BS you claim is so prevalent.
:rolleyes:
-
[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]
-
Whoa. Where'd that come from?
I happened to fly LW this time because I happened to be trying to become proficient in the 190A5, much like I tried to be proficient in the P-51, A6m5, La5, etc.,
I saw no elitist attitude of which you speak. I saw guys having a pretty good time. Sorry you didn't, but calm down.
Edit: Changed "so" to "saw"
[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Kieran ]
-
[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]
-
lwhiner run90 run09 and even nazis ....
spitdweebs toejamfire runstangs jugfire...
yeah I see your point...
its unexceptable.... :rolleyes:
ladweeb nikdweeb any others?
gessssh stick and stones .........lol
you need to get some thicker skin bud...
people raz each other all the time its up to you whether to take it personnal.
Are you an only child? I got 5 brothers you aint seen razin. I would have to get my arse beat by a bully twice my size or spend the next month gettin it beat 5 times a day till I went back and faced it.
you must be one of those sensitive types. :)
[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Wotan ]
-
[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]
-
Karnak you need to name names. If you just throw accusations at "Luftwaffe snobs" you are going to insult a lot of people who didn't say anything to you.
-
seriously Karnak, I was there when el hauptmann Glasses was razzing ya
ya just gotta put a :D in the buffer and go shoot em down. getting all bent out of shape over a game isnt worth the effort.
personally, I love taking and receiving jabs between countries. it we all were gentlemen it wouldnt be any fun shooting each other down
-
No thoughts either way on the CT – glad the historical types got it.
Hunstang for the D9 – personally I always liked this one :).
Zippatuh
-
Well, the LW actually has it in the bellybutton in the CT. They face an overwhelming variety of AC that fight with different ACM styles. Mainly, the LW being almost purely B&Z (xcept 109f4 which can turn a little bit), vs allies which have 3 better hi-speed B&Z planes (P47d11, P5b, tiffie) and access to a horde of T&B planes (hurricane, seafire) & planes which are almost T&B and B&Z hybrids, the Mossie,f4u-1 and the spitV/IX
So, allies face constantly E-fighting B&Z while LW face everything else. Not to mention the disparity on bombers and jabo, where the allies have a highly survivable turbolaser packin' B-26 vs the paint scratching Balsa wood Ju88. Thank god the icons are short for the buff gunners too.
Jabo leaves the LW with only 1X 190 mod that carry more than 1 bomb of ord and the rest are just 1-bomb lobbing 109's and 190's.. and leaves them low alt facing spits and hurricanes (where they really dont stand a chance vs them).
Allies have the 51b (2X 500lb bombs + 6 rockets), mossie (2X500lb + 8 rockets or 4 X500lbs), hurricane (2X1k) , spitIX (2X250kg 1X500lb bomb) and the typhoon (2X1k or 8 rockets).
In essence,
Allies=Superiority in high speed handling craft B&Z , vast superiority in low alt T&B, dominance in Jabo/bombing. Carrier plane capability.
LW= Leather seats, better beer, stout sheep, better climb rate (109s), more cannon packin' (190's), slight superiority as long as they stay higher than the rest.
I would say they should add the 205 and 202 to the LW arsenals and put the mossie in lieu of the bf110 to give LW some Jabo ability. I would also remove the Flaktank and Panzer from the choices of the allies, dont they have m16 and the m8? Besides, if a panzer is near, so will a tiffie or hurricane be...very quickly.
Been enjoying the CT as it is now, 109f4 much fun, but it wont be fun once it starts getting more numbers.. and the allies start swatting fields left and right because they got the planes and the ord to dominate both speed fights and turn fights :(
As rude would say, A WHINE HAS BEEN RECORDED.
("LW I feel your pain!" ;) :D )
-
Karnak
I was joking with ya man :)
folks do that to each other. They joke and mock and make fun of. 80% of the time thats all it is people just having fun with each other.
I have done it and will do it. People will do it to me. Right or wrong it is irrelevant. I still believe its up to you to decide how you will let it effect you.
Now I wasn't there but if it goes beyond the run90 runstange spitdweeb thing then I can see how some people could get offended.
Also no offense but coming to the bbs with vague references to lw elitist mocking the allies plane choice it only opens yourself up to more mocking.
I'm sorry you find it so unpleasant but from all the games I've been in its always the same.
sissyfires and runstangs.
Also there's an element of fun to working folks up. So if they are calling you a toejamfire pilot go kill um again.
I know I hate when I'm talkin smack to someone and they kill me I shut right up :)
Anyway Have a good holiday........
-
I'll stick to the TOD or scenarios for my "historical" fix.
The Combat Theater is nothing more than the MA with a limited planeset, less people, no one capturing fields and very few to none actually working together.
Everyone's too busy gang banging the single damaged plane to break off and go after the other 4 guys chasing a damaged friendly.
Not to mention, the theater of operations is something that's been rehashed a billion times, either here, or in AW or in WB.
Eastern Front woudl be nice, especially if these setups will stay up for only a week at a time!
-SW
-
I gotta agree with Moose.
It's a game, and as such meant to be enjoyable, we all pay for this entertainment.
I personally log off when I begin to get spun up, as I refuse to pay $15 a month to be pissed off. Especially when I can get the wife to do it for free.
If ya allow someone to piss you off then you hand that person power over yourself.
If you allow them to run you out of the arena, then you've lost and they have won.
I've seen more than one negative post about "luftwaffe" from Karnak.
The remarks of one individual antagonizing Karnak should hardly warrant the use of terms like "elitist Luftwaffe fans", "Luftwaffe snobs" and the like. Such remarks are broad sweeping and entirely inaccurate.
I don't feel the CT is setup in favor of the AXIS, to me it appears the planeset is fairly evenly matched.
-
eastern front would be nice because you could sneak in 202s/205s and maybe hurricane or spit.
We just dont have a small enough map or a large map with lots of bases.
-
wow...
-
I appologize for my rant.
It has been removed and I recuse myself.
-
The CT will never be popular until the CT team learns two things.
1. Historical planesets are almost never balanced, so tying yourself to history is a lost cause. Not many people will consistently fly in an arena when the other team has an obvious and massive advantage. At best you will have a crowded arena where the side with the "worse" equpiment is always massively outnumbered. More likely the arena will just sit empty and take up space.
2. There is a REASON there is long range DAR and ICONS in the MA, and removing these in the CT will drive a lot of people away. No DAR under 500 feet makes milkrunning easier but does nothing to encourage fighting. The few who like the reduced settings are just that--the few.
Like it or not, the "Hamster Wheel" concept like the MA is what sells. If you want your arena to become popular you will have to make concessions. In other words, if a hamster wheel is what's popular, you need to be trying to attract hamsters!
J_A_B
-
Wow.. there has been some traffic in here.
I think anytime we put together a purely historical plane set it will be lopsided one way or the other. Depending on the historical timeline, the advantage swapped back and forth.
I have always favored an arena that started with early war craft and then as time progressed in the camp, blend in newer models etc. So for several days there might be a spit that has the upperhand or next a 109 etc. So the D9s and 51s wouldn't show up til the third week of the camp, and the perked planes etc wouldn't show until last week.
I agree with the observation that the allies have the better ground attack/bombing abilities in the CT. They also have a significant speed advantage in the 51b and Typhoon.
Why that wasn't particularly significant in WWII is by the time the Jug and the Typhoon were seriously into their ground attack role the Luftwaffe was on its heels and pretty beat up.
The Germans enjoyed an advantage in the air early in the war due more to tactics and experience than anything else. When the Germans were doing coordinated ground attack the allies in France were running for their lives. When the allies came back during D-Day the Luftwaffe was running for their lives. About the only place that German close air support fought a determined and capable air to air threat was the Battle of Britain and in Russia. We all saw how they got chewed up in Britain. On the other hand the Allied close air support never faced a capable Luftwaffe either. The war on the Eastern Front more closely duplicates what we have in CT or in the MA for that matter.
Sorry for the ramble...
To be a Luftwaffe flyer will/should mean defeat more often than not. It happened in WWII for very valid reasons, and without significant terrain advantages (which worked for the Brits during the BOB and for the Germans there after) one side is usually at a disadvantage......... the Luftwaffe most frequently.
One dweebs opinion.. sorry for the ramble.
-
I think the CT dar settings are EXCELLENT.
The concept of bounce, surprise attacks are present.
The amount of gangbanging is LOW believe it or not. You need to be within 3k of a con to ID it, dar wont show you if its enemy or not. So you many, many times have at least 5 to 10 minutes of a 1-1 fight. Its very enjoyable.
Imo, the 202 and 205 , or even the ki61 or zeke would give the LW its turnfighters (not so good, but hey, better than a 190!) and the mossie their ground attack/bomber. Sides would be albeit balanced then.
Make it a true axis vs allied arena.
[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Tac ]
-
look most of those folks involved in the ct know that it will never be an alternate to the main.
The ct cms will never "fill" the arena no matter the planeset or the terrain.
However this doesn't mean that a "ct" or a "ha" or what ever is worthless.
Its up to the folks flying there to make it what ever it becomes.
We know evry one of yas have their own idea how to make the ct "popular" but your only kidding yourselves. Each of us that fly there make it what it is.
Regardless of radar settings, icon settings, or plane set match ups. Every idea you all come up with has been thought off.
The cms here know whats up. They have been around and know what the deal is.
Those of us that fly there are no better then the main folks and are no different in what we want no matter if we be spit pilots or fly 109s.
I am sick of hearing that the ct is just a "furball". Thats not true. folks just rather fight each other then grab territory.
I dont give a fek about field capture or "strat". I fly in the ct to dogfight.
So do you.
Step back from all your suggestions and whines to accept that no matter the arena its up to the guys flying in there to make it what it is.
Also nothing about desktop flight sims is "real". None of it.
I enjoy the ct and yeah I wish more folks were there but not in field capture of buffing. I just want a couple of good 1 v 1's and a change from the main.
Each of us get what we want out of it.
S!
wotan
-
The CT is actually an MA with short icons and a LW vs allied theme (which I wish was Axis vs Allied.. by putting in the 202/205/zeke/ki61) with the planeset being limited to a certain year.
Field capture does usually take a 2nd place from dogfighting. After all, you do have to first beat the field CAP and get it low before your bombers can plaster the place..failure to do that means the B-26's meet 30mm and tater packin' 190s from above and the ju88's meet... well, whatever can tiptoe into their 6 and sit there for a second or two.
-
"look most of those folks involved in the ct know that it will never be an alternate to the main."
Indeed, it won't be. Only because they're not trying to make it such.
J_A_B
-
The Italian planes will likely be used in an Italian theater.
JAB, what do you mean by that?
[ 12-24-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
-
S!
Finally went to CT with Kronos and we had some great time! All the time scanning views, dots every where; friend or foe? Huge chaos all the time. We flew with our P-47D-11's towards an enemy field when we noticed 2 unfriendly looking 109's in our low 6 at D 1.5 or so, eeekkkk! Was fun fight althought tac shot me down. I shoud have just ran (D-11 is 20mph faster than 109F-4 at the deck). Well, I'll remember that in next time!
:)
<S>!
--------------------
vector
XO 348th FG "Kearby's Thunderbolts"
[ 12-24-2001: Message edited by: vector ]
-
S!
Actually the 109's are actually better fighting as turnfighters versus most of the Allied aircraft.
The P-47D11, P-51b, Mossie and Typhoon all turn worse than any of the 109's, including the G6. (unless it's got the twin gunpods)
And the 109F4 can give the Spit IX a run for its money.
Plus the 109's outclimb them all!
The 190A5 will low speed outturn the P-47 below 10,000 ft and will give a 51b a run for its money, very close match there.
I have been flying Allied and doing poorly. (I think my timing is off because of an ear infection) When I switched to the German side, I immediately started scoring better, despite the fact the Germans were outnumbered.
The Germans do have a lack of bombing capability, but there is not much we can do about that. The 190F is a capable plane. More durable in the ground attack role than the P-51b certainly. For everyone who is screaming for the 110, all I can say is wait a little while...
-
Give me till March 31st. I bet i can match or closely match the CT with the MA numbers.
The ONLY thing stopping it right now is the planeset Just isn't there YET!
NUTTZ
Originally posted by Wotan:
look most of those folks involved in the ct know that it will never be an alternate to the main.
The ct cms will never "fill" the arena no matter the planeset or the terrain.
However this doesn't mean that a "ct" or a "ha" or what ever is worthless.
Its up to the folks flying there to make it what ever it becomes.
We know evry one of yas have their own idea how to make the ct "popular" but your only kidding yourselves. Each of us that fly there make it what it is.
Regardless of radar settings, icon settings, or plane set match ups. Every idea you all come up with has been thought off.
The cms here know whats up. They have been around and know what the deal is.
Those of us that fly there are no better then the main folks and are no different in what we want no matter if we be spit pilots or fly 109s.
I am sick of hearing that the ct is just a "furball". Thats not true. folks just rather fight each other then grab territory.
I dont give a fek about field capture or "strat". I fly in the ct to dogfight.
So do you.
Step back from all your suggestions and whines to accept that no matter the arena its up to the guys flying in there to make it what it is.
Also nothing about desktop flight sims is "real". None of it.
I enjoy the ct and yeah I wish more folks were there but not in field capture of buffing. I just want a couple of good 1 v 1's and a change from the main.
Each of us get what we want out of it.
S!
wotan
-
I had the chance to go online only once in the past few day and I went straight to the CT. Had a blast. Flew an assortment of planes for abou t two hours; Mossie, Tiffie and P47. Never encountered anything but good fights accompanied by reasonable and mature attitudes on both sides.
I'll be heading there again soon as I can.
Westy
-
just a quick comment... .squelch works wonders when one person is mouthing off in the arena. :) I squelched him myself, took all of 2 seconds to make the arena a better place on my end. :D
-
Just been in Combat arena,and I reckon Ill be in there from now on,main arena sucks.
Look forward to bumpin into ya all :)
-
Wow this thread growed!
Well CT is great fun! provided there are atleast 10 vs 10 flying in the CT.
At one time it was 20 vs 20 and that ruled :)
Regards.
-
Will try to be there for ya JOC :D