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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on July 02, 2002, 12:00:42 AM
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=4&cid=578&u=/nm/20020701/ts_nm/crime_pilots_dc_5
Un-shrecking-believable...
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FUI
(flying under influence)
LOL
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Cripes, I hope they never fly again.
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A shame to blow a great job
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I'm thinking the Captain is going to do some prison time. The F/O is going to get fined big time. They're not going to work anywhere carrying passengers again after that.
Worst of it is that 50,000 other guys that have high personal standards and have worked to produce and preserve a respected profession are going to be the butt of Leno and Letterman jokes for the next two weeks.
These two clowns have seriously damaged the profession.
I hope they hang them from the highest yardarm in the fleet.
No mercy.
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The real sad part of this whole thing is that they both failed the sobriety test under .10's...god what fediddlein lightweights.
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"The pilot came back with 0.091 and the co-pilot with a 0.084," he said.
Florida law considers a person to be intoxicated at 0.08.
Just curious : what are the unit used ?
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Im guessing that would translate to 0.91 and 0.8 promille alcohol in the blood respectively. (Uh, just realized that "promille" propbably is a Swedish term I cannot translate.)
you know percent, right.
Per-cent, part of hundred.
Promille, pro-mille, part per thousand.
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rotfl :)
promille ... it's french :D
but I'm more used to grammes per liter of blood ...
of we can use mg per liter of air expired (if I translated correctly)
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hehe *blush* I had no idea promille was french :)
Anyway, a good rule of thumb when dealing with alcohol in is that
0,1 mg alcohol per liter of air expired is the same thing as 0,2 promille in the blood.
So if you divide the numbers by two, you will get the mg per liter of air expired.
0,4 - 0,45 mg/air
does the numbers sound reasonable to you? They sound about correct to me.
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Hey look at your king or queen doesn't he/she look a bit French ;) ?
Bernadotte rulezz :p
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hehe, yeah, but that was hundreds of years ago (or 1815 to be specific). They have been assimilated now ;)
Anyway, most of our history has been dominated by two countries, Germany and France. Without these two countries there would be no Sweden as we know it today.
Germany was vital in the early years, (1400-1600) and it was Germans who built our country, and financed our war for independence.
France was vital in the later years (1600-1800) especially in two periods in time (end of the 30 yrs war in the 1640s and in late 18th century, 1792-1800)
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Swede history is part of my vacation reading ("lecture" in french) with the Kalevala and some of the 1 meter book pile I didn't have time to read since last summer vacation :D
hum ... sun,good book, fresh beer ,BBQ that's a good program :)
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The units of measurement (in Florida, USA anyway)are:
blood-alcohol level = grams of alcohol per 100 milliliters blood
breath-alcohol = grams of alcohol per 210 liters of breath
For example, .08 grams of alcohol in 100 milliliters of blood is the legal threshold in Florida at which a person is presumed to be under the influence of alcohol
:eek:
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I need a beer (I'm stuck at work right now).
What part of Swedish history are you reading about? Most people tend to focus on the Vikings, Charles XII or the 30-yrs war. Perhaps I can recommend something, I have real alot about our history.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
The units of measurement (in Florida, USA anyway)are:
blood-alcohol level = grams of alcohol per 100 milliliters blood
breath-alcohol = grams of alcohol per 210 liters of breath
For example, .08 grams of alcohol in 100 milliliters of blood is the legal threshold in Florida at which a person is presumed to be under the influence of alcohol
:eek:
That is weird, it seems like the US and europe uses completely different standards of measure when it comes to measure alcohol in the blood. Grams per 210 litres? We have miligram per liter.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
I need a beer (I'm stuck at work right now).
What part of Swedish history are you reading about? Most people tend to focus on the Vikings, Charles XII or the 30-yrs war. Perhaps I can recommend something, I have real alot about our history.
I don't want to become a specialist in swedish history :)
This collection a good for newbie
I've this one :
(http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/2218073560.08.MZZZZZZZ.jpg)
@Gunthr in france our threshold is 0.50 gramme per liter blood.
But it' more an educationnal problem for exemple I've heard that for the Russian it"s 0 (Zero) but it likely don't work.
pict was big ...
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Well, remember that the grams/210 liters is for the breath measurment. Also, this is the measurement used in Florida. I'm not sure about the other states, offhand.
I'm not sure why the "210 liters" number would be used for breath... maybe some peculiarity related to the breath device?
Remember, this is Florida we are talking about ... Using "per liter" might make too much sense ;)
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Straffo, France seems to be a little more lenient than other countries. We in the states are told that French people drink wine quite often, with each meal, etc, even children. Don't know if that is true...
In some countries, or so I have heard, your first offense is your last. You are never allowed to drive again, you may go to prison. If you hurt someone, you are executed. (Don't vacation there, Straffo ;))
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Heh, actually the more I think about it, the more weird does the "210"-figure seem.
Why 210 litres?
That is just the kind of question that could make me to lose my sleep tonight :D
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@gunthr
I do take wine each time I can ,on average one glass per meal, sometime Zero sometime a bit more (ie last night I was an easy kill :D) but there's one thing I never do after having even just one drink : I don't drive !
It's cultural/educational I've friends who would drive drunk ...
I don't take any risk I've one life and I don't want to lost it (it's a one life event you know )
And I won't go in vacation a country without wine it would cause me to many psychological damages ;)
@hortlund just do a simple research on physioogie and lung I'm not fluent enought in english to explain how the lung work :)
But basicly your VIC (duno how to translate) is 1.5 liter on average and as the chemical product used to detect alcohol need some time to react you have to breath several time to make the product react fully.
IMO it's just because the norm was done before we got more efficient product reacting quickly to alcohol presence.
In fact it's allways a ratio so if your under your ok else ... go to jail (like in monopoly ;))
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I'm checking Hortland... (I want you to be well rested, for your client's sake ;))
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Those two guys on "The Man Show" done airline pilot uniforms, went to an airport and pretended to be drunk (on hidden camera). One of the funniest skits I've ever seen.
eskimo
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It is recorded in milligrams of alcohol per 100 milliliters of blood, or milligrams percent. For example, a BAL of .10 means that 1/10 of 1 percent (or 1/1000) of your total blood content is alcohol.
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Originally posted by Wingnut_0
It is recorded in milligrams of alcohol per 100 milliliters of blood, or milligrams percent. For example, a BAL of .10 means that 1/10 of 1 percent (or 1/1000) of your total blood content is alcohol.
This is exactly what we call one promille, one part of thousand. And 1 promille in the blood equals 0,5 milligrams per litre in the exhausted air (sorry for the abysmal translation by me).
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What an absolutely amazing hijack. LOL... :D
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But you learned something I hope ;)
and at least the thread as gone back on track :D
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Your answer Hortand:Because the alcohol concentration in the breath is related to that in the blood, you can figure the BAC by measuring alcohol on the breath. The ratio of breath alcohol to blood alcohol is 2,100:1. This means that 2,100 milliliters (ml) of alveolar air will contain the same amount of alcohol as 1 ml of blood.
Breathalyzer Machine (http://www.howstuffworks.com/breathalyzer.htm)
Sorry Sandman :)
Eskimo - I'm laughing just thinkin about it ... lot of potential for laughs there.. :D
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Your answer Hortand:Because the alcohol concentration in the breath is related to that in the blood, you can figure the BAC by measuring alcohol on the breath. The ratio of breath alcohol to blood alcohol is 2,100:1. This means that 2,100 milliliters (ml) of alveolar air will contain the same amount of alcohol as 1 ml of blood.
Ahh...thanks. Saved me a good nights sleep now :)
So that means the approximations we do in court are somewhat wrong, the relation is not 2-1 its 2.1-1 air-blood.
But have no fear (In case you were doubting the Swedish legal system), the only reasons we do those approximations is because sometimes the prosecuters use alcohol in the blood, and sometimes alcohole in the exhaust air. 2-1 is a good rule of thumb only.
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My thought was....how would you like to have been the people on that flight, sitting there at the gate watching cops yank the flight crew off and lead them away in cuffs?
I can't imagine what these guys were thinking, flying under the influence. I hope they are grounded for life.
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Jail time and fines are likely for both. Operating an aircraft in the US with greater than 0.04% blood alcohol level or having consumed alcohol less than 8 hours before a flight is a felony. Don't forget, the.091 and .084 blood alcohol levels were obtained after they were removed from the plane and transported to the police station. They probably both had greater than .10 when they boarded the airplane. At the very least they may never fly again. Their only hope is for the pilot's union to step in and do some bargaining to reduce the jail time and/or fines.
MiG
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When was the last time an accident was determined to have been caused by a drunk pilot? Hummmm?
People drink every day at a restaurant and then drive home. I like some of those people and don't think they are devils.
But a bus or commercial pilot obviously toasted? Yikes. Stupid to say the least, bad career move.
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See, good thing they aren't allowed to carry guns. They'd a shot each other cuffs off and went back to drinkin' at the saloon. Yeeehaaa! pow! bang! whooop!
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Company fires drunk pilots
Last Updated Wed, 03 Jul 2002 10:07:09
MIAMI - American West airlines says it's going to fire the two pilots who are accused of operating one of their jets while they were drunk.
On Monday morning, pilot Tom Cloyd, 44, and co-pilot Chris Hughes, 41, were arrested by police in Miami. They had already pushed away from the terminal and were about to take off on a flight with 124 passengers.
Police had both men take breathalyser tests and both had readings above 0.08.
A company spokesperson says both pilots have been told – in writing – that they will lose their jobs.
Police in Arizona say Cloyd had two previous alcohol-related charges against him, one for disorderly conduct and another for domestic assault.
Both men have been released on bail. If they're convicted, they could face up to five years in jail and see their pilot's licences suspended or cancelled.
Written by CBC News Online staff
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pilots are regular people. average intelligence, average skills, amyeb bigger egos but trust me, they don't have anything to justify that. I know many pilots and they never shy away from alcohol :)
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Aye men udet.
Average empoyee's, not much skill, EGO's in spades.
Lotsa $ and time teaching 1-800-UFLY people though." Pull up on the yoke...yawn..."
Knock the spurs off, they are almost police officers, it's that bad, disarm them, they get all emotional.
And as you see, it's a disaster waiting to happen.
Told ya.