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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Apache on December 22, 2001, 11:07:00 AM
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Apparently we have an individual amongst us who does not have the mental capability to separate online squabbles, disagreements or whatever you choose to call them from RL.
Since yesterday, my email address that I use exclusively here at AH has been spammed with over 1000 emails, with 642 arriving at once. An attempt at a pop lock, which, with the advent of broad band, didn't work. Naturally, that email address has been deactivated.
As I stated in another thread, my profession is law enforcement in the computer related field, specifically computer crimes. Now, I am aware that spam, in itself, is not "illegal", yet. However, the suspect fraudulently used my email address, which is illegal.
I have been in contact with the network used to spam me, but being aware of the ability to hide oneself behind walls, this case will consist of alot of work.
So. After much thought, I've decided not to pursue it any further. I'm not going to waste my time. I have the ability to separate what is said to me by an online persona from my everyday life. In all my years of online flight sims, I have never seen such an immature display of behaviour. I never thought that someone in our community would stoop to such an act.
Go back to your RPG or your quake or your UO or where ever you came from you jerk!
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That's pretty diddlying pathetic.
I'm not a computer tracker know everything about the net type that can help here... I'm just someone that can put 2 and 2 together. I hope HTC is too.
AKDejaVu
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If it is somebody on this board then I would hope they had the balls to cop to it... I recall in argos board how one ahole even threatened to turn other posters and staff over to the IRS and called their work.
Guess the guy just couldn't refute what ya had to say apache.
lazs
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Well... let me just add a little to this...
I started getting subscriptions to porn sites about a week or so ago- one's I "asked for"? It occurred right after a "discussion" with the same person, and I suspected what had happened. I kept quiet, because I figured sooner or later someone would say something, or there would be more to go on. Let's just say I completely believe you, Apache.
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Apache, I'm no expert, but I was always under the impression that using those "e-mail nukers" was illegal. Any programs designed to clog up servers are illegal. Aren't they? :confused:
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Hope you guys don't think it's me! :mad:
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Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
Hope you guys don't think it's me! :mad:
just mad yourself look guilty :rolleyes:
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ijiot! and my motive would be?
Why don't you get your thinking cap on.
Read this thread:
read, you IJIOT! (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=013068)
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I knew I was gonna be the number one suspect. I thought witch hunts were in the 16th century? :rolleyes:
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Apache knows who it is. The guy threatend in another thread.
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Oh be quiet FlyingPillockSittingTwat.
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For once I have to say: What DjV said.
That is really pathetic. While I *am* one of the know loads about the net and can prolly help types, I suspect Apache doesnt need any.
Apache, if you know who it is spread his name around so we all know who not to give 6 calls to.
(http://www.swoop.com/images/logo_small.jpg)
[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Swoop ]
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Now I understand how OJ Simpson roams the streets of LA looking for victims.
Unfortunately, I don't have a tight fitting glove to prove my innocence. :mad:
US justice system...huh!
p.s. I don't own a black cat and I don't whiz around on a broomstick at night.
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Sucks to be you.
Then again, it's been that way since day one of your arrival here.
(this is for plowinDunceSuperSimpleton)
Westy
[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: O'Westy ]
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FDSS-
Who ever brought your name into this? I certainly didn't. Neither did Apache. If you read carefully you would know who we are both talking about. It isn't a great big secret. The answer lies in another thread.
You should seek help for that persecution complex you have, nonetheless.
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If there was ever a poster boy for a backwater, undereducated, simple minded, slightly more evolved monkey, but much less evolved man, dildo of a person.... "FreakinDoltStupidtoejam" would be it.
-SW
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So nobody thinks it's me? :D
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Hey, as a representative of the British people, we've already disowned FDSS here.
(http://www.swoop.com/images/logo_small.jpg)
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Whoever it is (I didn't read the other thread), is pathetic, absolutely pathetic.
I hope it isn't a long time member.
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Go back to your RPG or your quake or your UO or where ever you came from you jerk!
Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick, cos I used to play Ultima Online.
I used to own a small house near Yew and get attacked by orcs near the orc camp everytime I set foot out of my house. My character was a smithy and used to specialise in shadow armour. Used to make a pretty good living until his wife left him for someone who lived in a castle and owned a tamed dragon. One of the saddest moments, that was. He used to spend all his money on ale at the tavern near the Brit bank and was often seen swaggering around with an unkempt beard. He finally sold the little house in Yew and joined a gang of pirates around the Trinsic area. He got drunk and fell overboard one day (I left UO).
[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: FlyingDuckSittingSwan ]
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Apache-
I want to publicly state I no longer believe we have the same "friend" of e-mail. Mine hit another e-mail addy, one I don't believe I have ever used here. That doesn't mean it's impossible, of course, but not likely. Guess I'd rather have the porn anyway, least I can simply dump that without opening it. <Insert SOB shriek here>.
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Well Apache, I work in tech support for a local isp. And I imagine that if you had the information to lodge a criminal offence against someone you would have, if indeed it is a criminal offence in your country. I'm guessing that you do not have any proof of any wrong doing. I know ALL about poplock as alot of our clients are put into this situation. Simple matter of wait for the lock to clr (about 30 mins) and removing the offending e-mail...at least that's how we deal with it :D ).
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Thrawn-
If you read Apache's post you will see where he states it will take a lot of work to nail it all down. He didn't say he had enough to press charges, he implied he could get enough, but it would take a lot of work.
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Well Apache, I work in tech support for a local isp. And I imagine that if you had the information to lodge a criminal offence against someone you would have, if indeed it is a criminal offence in your country. I'm guessing that you do not have any proof of any wrong doing.
I keep reading this, asking myself "So?"
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procmail is a wonderful thing. Filter this bozo to /dev/null...
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I don't think TheShittingSwan is guilty of email spam. This BBS is another matter, and he'd be found innocent because I don't think you can convict UO retards. It's a loophole.
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[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Creamo ]
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Originally posted by Kieran:
Thrawn-
If you read Apache's post you will see where he states it will take a lot of work to nail it all down. He didn't say he had enough to press charges, he implied he could get enough, but it would take a lot of work.
I read it his post and I interpreted it this way. He didn't have enough evidence, or maybe any, so he would throw out a lure and see what he he would catch.
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Originally posted by Creamo:
I don't think TheShittingSwan is guilty of email spam. This BBS is another matter, and he'd be found innocent because I don't think you can convict UO retards. It's a loophole.
Appears ol' FlayingDickShittingSwank may have gotten off on the wrong foot with the AH Community.
I had always believed that the ISP could do something legally against mailbox nukers and spammers as it interferes with bandwidth and thier business. Appears I was mis-informed.
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Originally posted by Kieran:
I keep reading this, asking myself "So?"
I keep reading this, asking myself "So?"
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FDSS,please read up on ADD.. :eek:
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Originally posted by milnko:
I had always believed that the ISP could do something legally against mailbox nukers and spammers as it interferes with bandwidth and thier business. Appears I was mis-informed.
In all practicality, no. Basically all the isp can do is shut off people that use their service as a spamming base. And the better ones do this. But some do allow this. In the US you can complain to the Post Master General in hopes that they will press charges. In Canada it's the RCMP. But what if the mail is routed through another country. It's a difficult process either way and sometimes it's just easier to change your e-mail addy.
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Hello gents,
I'm glad the community is now aware of this.
As my friend AKDejaVu so aptly put it, yes, 2 + 2 is an easy equation to figure out.
No, not FDSS. I've not had any dealings with him, at least not that I recall anyway. Nor was it hulka. He's gotten my message about my screw up in pressing the wrong key and my apology.
Kieran you have it right. I, at this time, do not know who sent it or had it sent but I could find out after some time and effort. Time & effort that I choose not to spend.
Thrawn, you too are correct. I don't know who it is, but I can find out if I so choose. I don't work for an ISP. I work for a government law enforcement agency. We have wonderful toys. :D Be certain, however, this is not a fishing trip. I don't need to do that.
Thanks for the support guys. Although I knew there were outstanding folks here, this incident just pissed me off. I debated on making it public. Glad I did, I feel better. :)
For the private messages. Thanks fellers.
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I imagine you have toys I can't even imagine. :D
As for the person who did/didn't mail bomb you. You're right, fek him, isn't worth it. It's a juvinile response to an adult situation, I imagine. And it didn't do anything but make the law sit up and take a look.
[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Thrawn ]
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Originally posted by Thrawn:
I imagine you have toys I can't even imagine. :D
As for the person how did/didn't mail bomb you. You're right, fek him, isn't worth it. ;)
Some of those toys are spooky.
hehe, thats my attitude as well, fek him. Not worth the effort.
I see you're a smart feller too. :D.
[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Apache ]
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Forgive my edit, didn't want to implicate anyone. :eek:
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Originally posted by Thrawn:
Forgive my edit, didn't want to implicate anyone. :eek:
Good call Thrawn. I did the same in the quoted text.
<S>
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Class act. <S>
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There was what I was after, Thrawn. I was reading something into your original message I no longer think was there. My apologies.
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Accepted.
I don't want to blow sunshine up anyone's prettythang, but everytime I post something that runs afoul of one of the true gentlemen on this board, it gives me pause and I reconsider what I've posted. More often then not, I'm taught a lesson in humility and graciousness, and I'm thankful for that.
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you mean my christmas-card-email was sent more than once???? ooops :D
in all seriousness that sounds like a mental case to me, I mean what does he gain by sending them apart from to piss you off which he doesnt get to see anyhow!
wheres the fun in that?
its a weird behaviour thats for sure.
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Has anyone considered the possibility there was a virus on a friend's computer? My friends on the Jane's USAF message board at SimHQ got a virus that sent a jillion emails out to randomly selected addresses from their address book.
Just want to make sure someone is not wrongly accused before all other alternatives are considered.
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said by Apache
I work for a government law enforcement agency. We have wonderful toys.
Did you get those toys from the Roswell spaceship? Is it true you can transform yourself into anti-matter with these toys? Did you ever see any alien body parts? I read a lot on this stuff so don't try to fool me with your responses! ;)
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In my case, I know you can have your e-mail snatched in a number of ways. Still, I was suspicious of the timing of my incident. I didn't say anything then because I felt I should see something a little more concrete. I followed Apache's thread (not even his to begin with) and noted the ominous tone of the last exchange. When the next events unfolded, I immediately thought of my little "problem". I no longer think the same individual is responsible, but I respect Apache's opinion, which I suspect is a bit better than the average joe's. It is, after all, his job.
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...did someone just get banned for what happened to Apache?
hehe...I just noticed someones profile didn't work anymore.
Or was it one of your scary tools and you zapped him off cyberspace, Apache? :D
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FDSS-
I doubt that very much. If it was true, you could expect no word from HTC about it anyway, as they will typically never discuss such affairs with us (and they shouldn't if it doesn't pertain directly to us).
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post removed due to anomolys
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Does the UBB have a squelch feature? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
post removed due to anomolys
sorry...i mistook something for something else. (again)!! :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Shire_PLH:
Does the UBB have a squelch feature? :rolleyes:
UP YOURS GRUMPY GIT! SCROOGE!
HAVE A NICE LONELY XMAS...
:mad: :mad:
(why are people so frigging grumpy on this message board)
ffs...PASS THE PROZAC AROUND!!!!
:mad:
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I like FDSs...he's kind of like a cross between Towd & Wobble with an inferiority complex thrown in the mix. Make for some fine entertainment! :) <S> FDS
SOB
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Yes,but WHO is he really?... :confused: :confused: :o
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YOYO
FYI, Just a little info to help combat email worms, which dont discriminate or let you know that it happened till too late.
Now this is for outlook,/express, can't remember how to do it for other mail apps.
SHUT DOWN the Preveiw pain: go to veiw/layout and shut it off,, prevents html and scripts from running w/out it being opened.
This one is kinda a mail worm catcher:
Add a contact, call it worm trap, in the email addy type <illegaladdress click add, win will say its no good but add it anyways,
Now if a worm tries to email itself thru your addy book it will be returned to you as unmailable, and cause it will be the first one most mail servers will send em all back, but not all work this way, but at the least it will alert you to the problem. :D
And of course keep up to date with your virus definitions and scan often.
Hope it helps....
Happy Holidays to All
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Just to clear some things up.
I have not talked to anyone at HTC. I have dropped this issue.
I was hit by an email bomb not an email worm virus. I was flooded by over 1000 newsletters. The person fraudulently entered my email address and subscribed me to newsletters about everything under the sun. Never knew there was so much one could read about.
Boy was the network used ever pissed off. :D
Anti virus or preview panes have no bearing here, but thanks just the same. I too think of the community first.
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To be fair... I probly explained amons shortcomings to him more than anyone and no one has hit me with this stuff that I know of. Same for suckingduckspittingsperm.
lazs
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To be fair... I probly explained amons shortcomings to him more than anyone and no one has hit me with this stuff that I know of.
And to be fair.. he didn't threaten to make it "personal" with you either.
AKDejaVu
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yep... I caught that too. Soo..
amon... are you or are you not the "person" who did this?
lazs
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Why does lazs1 hate me so much. :(
I'm so sad. :(
Please like me Mr.Lazy. :(
BAH...STUFF THAT!
KISS MY BIG FAT HAIRY BUM!
:p :p
*hands you your xmas present*
(http://www.viagra-user.net/viagra4.gif)
I hope you like it...it's a years supply of your favourite!!!!
I know...I'm generous! :D
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Public Service announcement to FDSS:
*Ahem* <whisper>This isn't about you.
Thank you for your attention!
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What isn't about me? :confused: :confused: :confused:
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What isn't about me? :confused: :confused: :confused:
FDSS
Is it just me, or is there extreme comedy in this line? :cool:
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Originally posted by Kieran:
Is it just me, or is there extreme comedy in this line? :cool:
Nope it ain't just you :D
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LOL! I missed that the first go-around! :D
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Well, thanks for the fun read! :D
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does FlyingDuckSittingSwan ever use ONE post instead of about 3 in a row to answer/ask a ?
what joke he is......
and whats his name on AH? i never seen this dude.. mabye he just pays 15 dolla to chat on forums and stat his opinions...
people are just weird
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ubb bug
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Why beat around the bush about it, you came short of accusing me of it in the other post why not do it here to? trying to keep your image up.
As i stated, i had nothing to do with this. Im sure being in the computer crime industry you would find it a security hazord posting your email address on any BBS, ecpesialy one that has 4000 users, and any one can search for "@" and have fun with it.
Glad i now know where we stand with one and other.
<S> and good bye.
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FDSS checkout Shadowbane (http://www.shadowbane.com). Thats going to be a very sweet game if you like guild warfare as well as the adventuring MMORPG. You can build towns with your clans, and to top things off there is seige craft :)
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What is the thread were Apcahe got into a disagreement with that person? I wanna read it. :)
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StSanta: http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=013060 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=013060)
Amon,
I was thinking about tearing into you and your reply(s) in this and that other thread... but things are so obvious... why bother.
It really is time for you to get a new handle and learn to shut the diddly up.
AKDejaVu
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DejaVu
What is there to tear into me for? dont think ive done anything wrong but state my opionions. but i know that hasnt stopped you before, in anyones post.. what gives?
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Thanks for the link Am0n. I must admit I'm a little partial to the old RPG's. I like to play a merchant and make stuff. I don't find pleasure in hunting big dragons. I find more pleasure in selling my wares and seeing people wear the things I make. Call me a big fairy if you have to...BUT THAT'S WHAT I LIKE DOING!! :mad:
I don't think it's fair taking it out on Am0n cos overall he's always been well behaved and polite (unlike some other people, without mentioning any names) lazs1 lazs1 lazs1 lazs1 lazs1 lazs1.
So if it was Am0n who emailed-bomb, I think it was totally out of character. In the end Apache said no harm came out of it. Christmas is a time for forgivness and stuff.
Lets all forget about it! ;)
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Amon was in No418 Hornets for a while and was a great squad guy.He left to form his own squad and we were sad to see him go.I doubt very much he was the spammer.
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FDSS
Ah.. in shadowbane you can run shops of all sorts. the only thing i think that you wouldnt be fond of is that you dont make the stuff, you hire merchants or varying quality to create the goods.
I played UO for a few years from the start of it and recenetly left for good after returning from a 1 year break to find that EA had ruined it. Was a damn good rpg back in the time when it took 7 months to master magery, now it takes a few hours.
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SirLoin-
Must be a different amon bro, first flight sim for me. but your correct none the less in your closing statement.
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I was reading up on Shadowbane. WOW. I love it! It's got me all excited like UO did when I first heard of it.
Yeah UO got ruined by the Taliban of online gaming (EA). Pity that was.
I wasn't very popular in UO. People used to throw things at me and pull my beard. But I liked it none the less.
Remember the invasion of Sosaria? I was one of the defenders of Trinsic when Minax and her army of undead were at the gates. I was providing the brave warriors with free weapons and armour (the cheap stuff of course. my best stuff went up for sale in my shoppe). :D
....those were the days. :(
I wish HiTech would put a RPG element in AH. Maybe I could become a plane merchant? :)
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Alot of you know me and I don't ever get involved in squabbles like this one. But being one my the pilots I fly with are in it I just need to say a few things.
If Amon wants to be in this pissing match with you guys. Even knowing I asked him not too I just want to make a request. Please don't hold his views with the views of the Nightmares VMF-101.
One thing I don't care for is trolling the boards or being a troll myself. But if people choose to do that then that's there choice and their right .
But guys like mentioned earlier in the post it is the Christmas season and not to sound rude (because I'm honestly not), but let the pissing contest go. I see that feeling and ego's were hurt. Read what ALL of you are writing in the latter part of this post. You've degraded yourselves to calling each other names. I know you are all better then that.
With that being said Apache this doesn't apply to you because you've constrained yourself and have kept it professional.
To the rest of you Merry Christmas and I hope it's a joyious one and a safe one. <S>.
Just let it go my friends
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I wasn't very popular in UO. People used to throw things at me and pull my beard.
LOL! :D
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Pyroman-
I for one can separate issues or people. I haven't even thought once of your squad in all of this (and other threads).
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pyroman... nobody but you and amon even mentioned your squad.
lazs
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Oh I know Lazs1. I never said you did I just didn't want the newer people to AH reading this thread and thinking anything ill that's all :) .
Kerian (sp? writing this on the fly). Thanks bro I appreciate it <S>
Merry Christmas guys!
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Has anyone else gotten their email box spammed from the warbirds email group? I've gotten about 350+ emails from email: youre@a.squeak. The email read:
"spamming email lists are fun."
WTF???! How distrubed can you be to waste time to do this type of sh*t?
Merry Christmas :D :rolleyes:
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Yeah looks like iEN had a MAJOR oops!
http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/025542.html (http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/025542.html)
http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/025541.html (http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/025541.html)
Some unhappy campers over there this morning.