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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: dkit on December 22, 2001, 03:48:00 PM
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how many of the lengendary never say die yer banana, for Queen and country lads do we have here in aces? I know there are a few........ *singing* the will always be an England............... :p
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Why do I think you had a pint in hand when you posted that? ;)
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I'm here me 'ole matey! :cool:
all together now....
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BRITANNIA RULES THE WAVES
WE SHALL NEVER NEVER NEVER...HMM MMM HMMM MM(something or other)"
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yanks and canadians are just jealous of us. :p
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Bah, Canadian soldiers swear an oath to the same Queen your's do. And the rest of of the song is ..."the people of England will never be slaves."
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Yes, fine, lovely. This isnt a "lets respond to FlyingTwats bollocks" thread. This is a "Brits say aye" thread. So ignore him.
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British here.
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Looks out of window,
It's cold, It's wet The TOD starts at 4am.
Yes this is England
TTFN
snafu
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British blokey here but come from the best part WALES
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For those from distant shores you need to understand England is just the visitors carpark for Wales :) Plush green and wonderful Wales
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Yup, fellow Brit here! :)
Regards
Nexx
PS Quite a few of 56 Sqn, 249 Sqn, 9 Sqn, Kraits are British.
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Limey buggers :)
RazorDD
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fellow Celtic brave from the mysterious isle :)
paint my face blue gimme a long sharp stick and ill fight anyone. :D
oh and loads of alchohol :)
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Does having an English father and Scottish mother count if I was born in the land Down Under? (Can still hold a British Passport ;) )
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i'm english,and FlyingTwats bollocks is just the banana, you yanks have a few here too.
ps. you welsh are just here for the sheep :D :rolleyes: :p
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I thought I would see some yank trying to sing a birt song............ I remember one time I went ot the U.S, I went to church and they played a gospal song and guess what the tune was? our National Anthem, of course I stood up infront of 2000 people and sang the antional anthem. LOL typical yanks, they change everything don't they? :confused:
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kit...you avacado!
I'm really English..I'm not "a yank trying to sing a brit song". I'm as English as bangers and mash, fish and chips and steak and kidney pie! :cool:
Ben Dover...thanks for saying I was a banana! :mad:
Do you come from Dover, or does your name come from a nasty habit of yours? :rolleyes:
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Not many people know this, but Britain has split up into tiny pieces. Wales have declared independence, so has Scotland. That's why BenDover didn't appreciate the Union Jack.
Well I couldn't find the cross of St. George on short notice! :mad:
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:rolleyes:
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P.S. No they didnt. It's called 'political devolution' and has nothing to do with 'declarations of independance'........which is slightly more complicated and generally involves a war or two.
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Well, Wales now have their own parliament and, oh look, so do Scotland. Call it what you want... ;)
Who says you need a war to declare independence, look at Taiwan!...anyway, how can the Welsh fight when they are all fat and speak funny? :confused:
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Wales have never been officially classed as a seperate country, hence why they have no inclusion in the Union Flag (I am half-Welsh, half-English btw!). Although there are new parliaments for Scotland etc., they are still members of the British/English parliament in London. Devolution, I admire their idea but I'm a unionist and we're all much stronger standing shoulder to shoulder than trying to seperate ourselves, which will happen in time.... :(
Regards
Nexx
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I hear the Sex Pistols are re-grouping for the Queen's Golden Jubilee."God save the Queen...'Cause tourists are money!!!"..Hehe,that Rotton sure could write lyrics! :D
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It seems since Argentina kick the brits tulips , they started taking over their own country ,,, lol :p . bananas , hehe ,, I have a banana for youall , And which Queen are you speaking of , there are hundreds of them under every light pole :rolleyes:
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<ignores paintmaw>
Brit here: from God's own County (specifically Scarborough in the North Riding of Yorkshire). I am exiled to Boston, Massachussetts right now ( I return to the UK once a year to keep myself in the will and ensure that real beer still exists).
P.S. Fatty was born in England at some yank airbase so I guess he gets honorary membership (if you can associate an FDB with honour).
Hah your dirty secret is out now Fatty (at least one of them)........
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Originally posted by paintmaw:
It seems since Argentina kick the brits tulips , they started taking over their own country ,,, lol :p . bananas , hehe ,, I have a banana for youall , And which Queen are you speaking of , there are hundreds of them under every light pole :rolleyes:
your a retard, Argentina didn't kick our arses,they tried, but they did not succeed, we still have the falklands, so diddly you,dim-wit
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Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
Not many people know this, but Britain has split up into tiny pieces. Wales have declared independence, so has Scotland. That's why BenDover didn't appreciate the Union Jack.
Well I couldn't find the cross of St. George on short notice! :mad:
you missed out northen irland, and they haven't got full independence
ps. your welcome for me calling you a banana
pps. i think the diagonal lines on on the flag are for wales or ireland, might ireland,might be both, if wales isn't on the flag, serves em right for having a dragon on there own flag
ppps. FDSS, you missed the diagonal lines off the flag
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I want to see this FlyingGitSittingTwat to see if he knows his stuff.
Mrgit, who do the english think less of the most?
too hard of a question for you? ok how about this on Henry defeated who at bothsworth?
still too hard ok ok ok this is a easy one King William (currently Prince William) is on the Throne, our national anthem is?
kit
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oh another one flying............
the royal Marines are working undercover in Ireland. why?
kit
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Originally posted by kit:
how many of the lengendary never say die yer banana, for Queen and country lads do we have here in aces?
Dunno how many lads there are, but I am in the UK, with the rest of the Krait Squadron! :)
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British ere :)
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I thought Wales lived in the sea???? :confused:
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Fellow brit here :D
Hmmmm.....i always thought Britain won the Falklands War.
Maybe paintmaw has been drinking ;)
WTG paintmaw you're representing Americans the way the rest of the world views Americans
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Originally posted by BenDover:
pps. i think the diagonal lines on on the flag are for wales or ireland, might ireland,might be both, if wales isn't on the flag, serves em right for having a dragon on there own flag
The diagonal red lines on the Union flag represent all of the Channel Islands. When the Channel Islands were lost in the Napoleonic wars the red diagonal lines were removed until the isles were recaptured.
Regards
Nexx
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Originally posted by kit:
If a lesbian don't like males, then why do most of them use dildo's? another mind boggling fact of life!!!!!!!
Because, apparently, all of your knowledge about lesbians comes from porno movies.
Surely you can find a better sig line than that, can't you? What other "mind boggling facts of life" do you have for us? :D
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Lighten up dude , it was just a joke (these brits are so sensitive)
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my surname is English, my favorite beer is English (Newcastle), and I follow the English Premiership (Newcastle's on top!) and cheer for the English national team! ;) I'd move to England, but then it'd be too hard to get back for my FSU home games. :D
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Originally posted by paintmaw:
Lighten up dude , it was just a joke (these brits are so sensitive)
how would you feel if we said you lost vietnam...oh wait, you did.
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Originally posted by Replicant:
The diagonal red lines on the Union flag represent all of the Channel Islands. When the Channel Islands were lost in the Napoleonic wars the red diagonal lines were removed until the isles were recaptured.
LOL! The Union Flag is a combination of the English, Irish and Scottish Flags - the Scottish Flag is in the background (white diagonal cross on blue background). The white diagonal cross is overlaid with the red diagonal cross of the Irish Flag (red diagonal cross on white background) with the white diagonal cross doubling as the white background for the red diagonal cross. This combination is then overlaid with the red vertical cross of the English Flag (English vertical cross on white background) with only part of the white background showing along the edges of the cross. Hope this makes sense... for more info see: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb.html#hist (http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb.html#hist)
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I'm curious. How do the Brits feel about us Yanks?
Honestly. This isn't a "my country is better than yours" post.
From a purely educational standpoint, I would like to know what the people of the UK think of their bastard child, the USA.
PS. Yep, you still got the Faulklands. You worry about them, we'll handle the rest of the world. :D
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oh come on, Muck. It's always my XXX is better than your XXX. ;) Doesn't matter if it's country, favorite AH plane, arena, TnB vs BnZ, or hell, even favorite song or porn star. Every group argues about what's better. Even Trekkies get to argue... Kirk could take Picard! Scientists... Einstein was much smarter than Curie! etc, etc, etc. :D
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What we have here is a perfect example of what happens when a group of people eat too much boiled beef :D
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i almost married an import....err, british tart, and lived in aylesbury-bucks for a while. does that count? hehe. :D
by the way, happy boxing day.
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Originally posted by Udie:
What we have here is a perfect example of what happens when a group of people eat too much boiled beef :D
boil? who boils beef, must be some weird yank thing i guess, we roast
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Originally posted by BenDover:
you missed out northen irland, and they haven't got full independence
Northern Ireland never has been part of Great Britain.
Its part of the United Kingdoms of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Tilt
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you sure your not talking about the republic of ireland?
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Lol,N.Ireland getting Independance from UK AND Ireland? heheheh Id like to put my name forward as a Presidential candidate please,hmmm President Joc........
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My last name is Antrim , so I guess I could be a little Irish :)
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most americans who came from the uk came from ireland, think it was something to do with potatoes, thats also why the FBI used to give money to the IRA
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Why is it these yanks seem to think they know all about the UK, GB and the troubles in N.Ireland?
Lessee what would happen if the British pulled out completely......well, only last september there was an incident where children as young as 4 were stoned (yep, stones thrown at em by adults) for trying to go to school in an area claimed by the 'other' religion. The following day the RUC and British Army escorted these kids to school and have been ever since AFAIK.
There ya go, there's our reason for being in Northern Island. Is it a good reason? Well that's open to debate and up to personal opinion, I aint gonna go into it here but I tell you this, if some bleedin' Mick threw stones at my kid he'd need the army to keep me off him.
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In any case, Great Britain is made up of England, Scotland and Wales. The United Kingdom is made up of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. At no time has Eire been a part of this.
Wales and Scotland are NOT independant from England, they just govern themselves.....which is a world appart from being independant.
Now back to the point. I'm British and proud of it so quit tryin to tell me how crap my country is.....I know already.
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Boiled beef...MMMmmmmmm.. :D
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Well I've tried to bite my tongue but well...
I seem to recall Britain winning the Falklands war while America our so called allie sat by and watched our lads race across the Atlantic to liberate British citizens, yes Argentina is doing mighty fine. Their government has seized the people's money, their currency is worthless and they have defaulted on their national debt repayments while their President has to escape his presidential home by helicopter to avoid the mass riots. With all the recent grand talk since Sept 11th with America saying how it will seize funds of terrorist organisations and stand firm against terrorists then why has your government led by Bill Clinton at the time push Britain into releasing convicted terrorists as part of the peace process? men and women convicted of killing soldiers and innocent women and children, and lets not forget how Clinton aided the IRA to gain a political position without handing over any arms and now they even have all the rights of a British politician without having to swear allegience to the Queen and only token gestures of arms being given up while the bulk of their arms remains in their hands..what politician needs to work in this way?. America has suffered such an terrible act of terrorism in September but remember that day when the good old boys come round with the collection plate on St Patricks day and think where your money is going. There are still hardline terrorist organisations terrorising the people of Ireland and the UK. The IRA is funded by drugs, prostitution and protection rackets that still continue but the media rarely see. Perhaps one day America will have a President and politicians with the backbone to make a hard stance against such activities and not worry about losing the American-Irish vote.
So when you sit at home America and watch the Afghanistan war unfold with British troops standing alongside our American allies think on and push that collection tin away on St Patricks day
Oh and by the way our British soldiers beat your boys at American football on christmas day :p
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Revin,
We're talking of a people who devoutly believed in "the war on drugs" led by Presidents who either "never inhaled", or were caught deep in the nose candy.
Now they believe in "the war on terrorism", while conviently forgetting the massive, world wide scale America has sponsored terrorism.
Truly, we are in the age of "newspeak".
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Bill Clinton???
Oh stop, will ya?
That guy was am embarassment to the Human race, much more so the American people.
As far as us standing by while you liberated the Faulklands...You needed HELP?!??!
Geez, if that's the case, where were the brits during Grenada or Panama?
These were not what I would call massive engagements.
I'm so tired of the US being the world's police force, and then criticized for what we do.
Why do the Afghanis have Stinger missles? Because we gave them to those boys to fight the Russians. Is this sponsoring terrorism?
We sponsor terrorists? I'm sure all governments do things there people would not be proud of, lest they know about it.
You want our government to walk away from world crisis, and let things unfold on their own? I'd be the first one to vote for that.
A little revisionist history, fellas. How long would Europe have stood against the Nazi's if we kept our hands in our pockets?
How many merchant marines died bringing supplies to Europe on unarmed ships?
More recently, Iraq would now own Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and god knows what else. You can also kiss Israel goodbye.
I always thought the US and Britain stood shoulder to shoulder against the world.
Now I'm starting feel like you guys are more like the French; Fair weather friends.
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I wondered how long it would take for this to happen.
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Yeah me too. Lets sort it out like men, all US squadrons v all RAF squadrons.......
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That sounds like a great idea, Swoop.
Bragging rights to the winners!
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<yawn> usual chest beating
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How many families need food and cloths over there while your queen and her family live the way they do , think they are so much better than anyone else , and do NOTHING !!
I understand why the irish hate the brits but I don't agree with the IRA or stoning children , just another terrorist group that needs to be snuffed out .
Ben is your perfect example of the brit ? I hope not ,
that viet nam crack was a low blow . I don't think there is one family over here that wasn't affected by that useless lil war
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[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: paintmaw ]
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uhmm, I'm American, but I prefer RAF planes. damn it, who would I fly for??? ;)
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Paint,
try research. The British Royal family are the patrons of many charities. Charitable donations are obviously not disclosed to the public but the work being done is readily available on many news site.
And if you tell me Princess Diana's campaign against land mines was doing nothing you and I need a little chat.....
Secondly, the Irish dont hate the British. It's the English that some of em have a dislike for. See above for difference between a Briton and an Englishman.
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Muck don't compare us Brits to the French.
I would also suggest you don't refer to us as fair weather friends either, over here we have the courage to stand by our convictions and if we think something needs doing then by hell we get on and do it.
We don't spend months debating whether it may lose us votes and having to buy some senators onside, either over or under the table.
In fact please give me one instance when we have been found wanting when the US has needed support militarily ?
Also give me an instance when we have not been the first to offer it ?
Have you already forgotten all the running around Tont Blair has done rallying support for the war on terrorism ?
How many other countries did that ?
In short i don't even care to see statements like that even in jest.
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Alright Swoop – I believe you’re in a VMF squad :D
As far as UK/USA relations well, this is my take. Most of the time it’s like two siblings poking, pointing, and generally harassing the other. But when it comes down to it family usually sticks up for each other.
**Edit** Forgot to mention I am damn glad for it too.
Zippatuh
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I'm sorry to offend you Cav, but some people make me feel that way. We, the Americans, are the first nation the world calls on when theres a crisis, and then the same nations bastardize us for our actions.
But let me address some of your statements.
Tony Blair is, IMO, and excellent leader, and an honorble friend to our nation.
The English people are always the first to offer their support, whether militarily or otherwise.
I hardly think (And please don't take offense at this) that there is anything militarily speaking, that Great Britain, or any other nation could offer, that we could not provide for ourselves.
As for our political system, is our system not based on the English system of Paliament?
Can you sit there and tell me the gentlemen in Paliament only act in the best interest of the people all the time? None of these honorable souls are guilty of feathering their own nests?
I find that a hard pill to swallow.
No one person could change my opinion of Great Britain as a whole. As Zep put it, we are like siblings. And I consider the English people some of the finest on earth.
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OK Swoop ,, I stand corrected , Diana was a great woman , and will be missed , she did more good for the family than many before her .
I think I will just agree with Zip and leave it at that
<SALUTE> Brits and the English
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IMNSHO, I think that Great Briton is the best friend that the U.S. has.
After we sorted our family squabbles out in 1776 and 1812, things have been downhill ever since. Oh we have our moments, hehehe, but nothing of import.
We share a common past, and a view of the future that includes freedom, individual rights and dignity for all human beings. We may not agree on all paths to get there, but we at least understand that sometimes you have to be willing to fight for these things.
I am one Yank who thinks that the Brits are first rate, first class peoples, whose only downfall is that they don’t understand what “Football” really is ;)
May the Brits and the US always be as one.
AKEagle+
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The fact Britain and America are such allies makes it hard for alot of us to understand why Clinton pushed so hard to more or less force Britain into giving in to the IRA terrorists to release the prisoners, its hard for alot of us to understand why the collections for the IRA/NORAID were not seized by your government. We stand with you against terrorism and send troops to Afghanistan and thats why I ask you guys to think about where your money goes when the good ole boys come round on St Patricks day with the collection plates. You lost many innocent people in that terrible attack on Sept 11th but the IRA have killed just as many in years gone by.
I've made alot of friends across the pond infact my XO is looking to get posted here in blighty in the not too distant future so he can drink some decent beer :D
whose only downfall is that they don’t understand what “Football” really is
I like the game, like you said I don't understand all the rules, but then the same goes for Rugby LOL but our troops beat yours in a game of American Football so someone must have given them a rule book :D
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PLEASE dont argue about the situation here its WAY too complicated!,having witnessed my best friend get murdered by IRA Ive a lot of feelings running through me,and Im still fked up by what I saw,I hope this war on terrorism gets to my little land,the sad truth is that Protestants and Catholics get on fine here!,as usual its the small minority of avacados with their heads filled full of crap thats been passed on by generations that causes all this,same all over the world,its the rest of us that suffers because of em.And they get away with it.The two guys that killed my friend? walked free after 3 years thanks to our Good Friday Agreement,what a price to pay for putting 2 bullets into my mates head and 4 into his back,he was only 19.
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Yeah.
Lets just end this subject here while we're all being nice and friendly. Ireland can be a very touchy subject to a lot of us and Zip is dead right about GB/US relations.
Oh and Zip......erm.......in the event of an RAF - USAAF/USN/USMC showdown, well, guess I'd be lookin for a temporary guest spot. ;)
Check 6 matey. :D
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I had lunch with 4 brits at the Kentucky Derby about 3 years ago , great bunch of guys , I don't dislike anyone because of where they are from , religion or whatever . I guess I need to pay more attention to what may be read into what I post . Sorry if I pissed anyone off <S>
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We brits may not be the diplomats of the world but i know who id want sitting in that foxhole with me and it isnt a frenchmen!
RULE BRITANNIA :)
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Revvin, so they beat us once in American Football. if you look hard enough, you can find instances where we beat you in YOUR football too ya know. in 1950, we beat England 1-0 in the World Cup. ;) Everyone gets their day in the sun. :)
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Originally posted by Seeker:
Revin,
We're talking of a people who devoutly believed in "the war on drugs" led by Presidents who either "never inhaled", or were caught deep in the nose candy.
Now they believe in "the war on terrorism", while conviently forgetting the massive, world wide scale America has sponsored terrorism.
Truly, we are in the age of "newspeak".
So...um....you think we're being hypocritical, is that it?
An Englishman...who thinks Americans are hypocritical....
Heh heh.
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Here's my opinion.
AMERICA SUX!!! :D
Joking...
really though, I have lot of respect for Americans cos they are the most responsible superpower ever. Take us Brits. We were kicked out of every bloody country we had during the British Empire. And with good reason!!! India booted us out, Afghanistan booted us out, the Zulus...the South Africans..the Americans!!. So we can't complain about Americans, cos Americans maybe do set up bases in other countries but they also give em aid, whereas us Brits used to rape their women and rape their land...if they didn't like it...well, we'd send the army in!
Then we have the Iraqi war...that was all Americans...we were just there as a supporting role. 90 per cent of the forces were American, we made up, what? 5 percent? And I hear people complain that it was a "war for oil". HYPOCRITES! How many people in Britain complain when the price of petrol goes up a few pence??? :rolleyes:
Americans have to understand that Britain is a nation which in little time went from a superpower empire to a nation which can just about compete with Luxembourg, so you have to understand that we are very proud and like to think we can be at a par with you Yanks, but deep down we know we can't.
A common myth in Britain is that we have the best army in the world. What a joke! Britain can't even fight a proper conventional war without help from another NATO country. Britain doesn't have any real fighters. Tornados can't compete with the likes of an F-16 or Mig 29. Ok, the EuroFighter is coming in...but not too early, that's for sure. What about British tank busters? Oh yes, thank you America for giving us the license to make your Apaches. But still not enough... Where's the BRITISH NAVY??? Two small carriers? IS THAT IT??? And all they can use are those sub-sonic rubbish v/stol crappy ancient Harrier jump0jets. CAN YOU SAY OBSELETE? Compare that with the 12 HUGE AMERICAN CARRIERS. And who's got the best SPECIAL FORCES in the world? SAS? HAHAHA...RUBBISH. The SEALS my friend.
Ok, what does SAS stand for? Special Air Service. What does SEALS stand for? SEA AIR LAND. What happens when the SAS are sent to operations in the sea? They drown. Or they send the SBS (SPECIAL BOAT SERVICE). SEALS go everywhere. And then we have DELTA force..the 10th mountain...and those secretive CIA special forces units. BA...we can't compare.
Let's admit the yanks beat us in army, navy or air force matters. WE should compare ourselves with France...maybe.
Saying that, Britain isn't totally useless. What about the WTC. Guess where it was insured. Yep, that's right. Us Brits will foot the bill for replaciing the WTC. Yanks have to thank us for that. ;)
Overall...we have to thank the Yanks even though their sports are totally crap. :D
Who wants to see 20 sweaty big arsed men bend over and pass a ball inbetween their legs!!! :eek:
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22 men, swan song. 11 on a side, just like your football. :)
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Ok listen FDSS, if you were a yank I'd be lookin up an address to come round and punch you in the mouth......but as you're a Brit I guess you've got the right to critisize your own country.
BUT GO EASY DUDE!
Yep, good point......us Brits did do some horrible things during the age of the British Empire, although I should point out at that time it was the English doing the ruling so dont lump the Welsh and the Scots in the same group. The British Empire was the biggest empire ever seen on the face of the Earth, no-one else has even come close. Christ, we even held Afganistan for a fair few years before we finally decided there was nothing worth having there. ;)
Now quit comparing Brits to Yanks. There's 350 million of those buggers and 58 million of us. Course we cant hope to compete on a military level with a country that produces in a year what we produce in 10 years.
However, as a true Brit you MUST believe that on a personal level the British are amoung the most honorable and capable people on earth......just keep the English where ya can see em cos I dont trust the buggers.
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P.S. SAS not the best? LMAO. You've been watching far too much TV.....read Bravo 2-0......and quit smoking whatever it is you're smoking and buy some nice green grass.
Oh and btw, did ya know that in pretty much every joint exercise for the last 20 years the Brits have beat the Yanks? :D Boy I could tell ya some stories.......
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Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
Here's my opinion.
Britain doesn't have any real fighters. Tornados can't compete with the likes of an F-16 or Mig 29. Ok,
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Correct me if I am mistaken, but isnt the tornado designed to do very low level ground attack missions? Its not really designed to compete in the air to air realm. If I am not mistaken it did one heck of a lot the most dangerous attack missions in Iraq. I still theink the F111 is a better looking plane (yea I know its an ardvark :)) but the tornado is a pretty damn good ride on the deck.
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damn I am going to need to learn to type someday
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Let's check the scoreboard, shall we?
Top Secret Agent:
US----------------------UK
Austin Powers---------James Bond
Edge: UK
National Snackfood
Twinkies------------Tea and Crumpets
Edge: US
Ugliest National Figure:
Hillary Clinton-------Prince Charles
Edge: Tie
National Scourge
Rednecks-------------Dental Hygiene
Edge: UK
Most Sought after export:
Denim Jeans------------Liz Hurley
Edge: UK
Senile Political Figure
Ronald Reagan----------Margaret Thatcher
Edge: US
Serial Killer:
Jeffery Dahmer----------Jack the Ripper
Edge: US
Violent Sport (deaths per event)
Boxing-----------------Soccer (Football)
Edge: UK
Low point of Society
Bill Clinton----------Teletubbies
Edge: US
Wrath of God
Tornadoes, Earthquakes-----Cold and Wet
Hurricanes, Race Riots
Los Angeles
Edge: US
The Good Old US of A bashes the motherland by a score of 5-4!
I think this settles this debate!
:D :D
[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: Muck ]
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I read an article one time written by an American pilot in the "I geuss you'd call it trade program" American serviceman in the RAF while Brit aerviceman in the USAAF in his place. He stated that Brits would do low level attack runs at 50 ft in training while USA forces wouldn't go below 200 FT my hats off to those nuts :)
RazorDD
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Originally posted by Muck:
I'm curious. How do the Brits feel about us Yanks?
Honestly. This isn't a "my country is better than yours" post.
From a purely educational standpoint, I would like to know what the people of the UK think of their bastard child, the USA.
PS. Yep, you still got the Faulklands. You worry about them, we'll handle the rest of the world. :D
You'll find just about every opinion possible. Just as you can find every possible opinion about UK/England in the States.
Personally, I think you are doing rather well considering you've only just started!
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by vmfRazor:
I read an article one time written by an American pilot in the "I geuss you'd call it trade program" American serviceman in the RAF while Brit aerviceman in the USAAF in his place. He stated that Brits would do low level attack runs at 50 ft in training while USA forces wouldn't go below 200 FT my hats off to those nuts :)
There's a story about a B17 briefing during WWII that goes like this:
Bomb Group C.O: 'Bomb runs are scheduled for 30,000ft but as this is a priority target I will see that every man of every crew that bombs from 25,000ft gets a career citation. Any one who bombs from 20,000ft will get the DSC. Anyone crazy enough to bomb from 15,000ft will get a guaranteed Purple Heart. But now lower than that men - or you'll get all tangled up with the RAF.
RazorDD
;)
[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: Tjay ]
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Originally posted by Muck:
Now I'm starting feel like you guys are more like the French; Fair weather friends.
you mind,thats one of the biggest insults to brits
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Yeah exactly. The Tornado was designed as a low-level attack and double-ups as a very weak fighter. If it didn't double up as a very weak fighter, it would have meant we didn;t have any fighters for many years...fancy that. About Iraq...anyone remember when the Panavia Tornado had a prob because the Durandel's wouldn't fit on the underside and that was the main mission of the Tornado? How ridiculous. I hate that plane. By the way, the F-111 became the F-14...not many people know that. They tried getting the F-111 onto the carriers and saw they didn;t have enough power so they made the F-14. It cost an Admiral's job and his callsign was "tomcat" hence the planes name.
I'm reading Tom Clancy's "CARRIER". :eek: Excellent book!
Swoop...I think that the difference between the Brits and the French is that the Brits are proud but realise they're not a superpower (anymore). The French are proud and think they are a superpower (even thought they never were). Which is sillier...cos they eat frogs and snails.
I haven't read Andy McNabb's book yet but I have read bits of it. Isn;t it about the missions to get Sadam's scuds and they were captured? I also read that in fact the SAS missions to get the scuds was a total failure as only 2 per cent were shot down thanks to the SAS insertion missions.
The trouble with the SAS is that they try to be everything. They do hostage rescue. They try to do incursions...etc. The yanks are lucky, cos they have their SEALS and Delta force for hostage rescue. They have their Rangers for incursions (light infantry). WE have the Royal Marines which aren't exactly light infantry cos they carry a house when they go in missions.
Sorry, I'm just a fan of the US military. :D
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Hehe touche Nifty but proper football rules are easier to understand, its when you start picking it up and have time out its gets complicated :)
Ugliest National Figure:
Hillary Clinton-------Prince Charles
Edge: Tie
I'd like to call a point of order here please! you did'nt let us field our star player....Prince Charles bit of stuff Camilla Parker-Bowles and I'd like to also motion another round based on most ridiculous loss of sense...the day Prince Charles looked at Diana, then looked at Camilla and decided to have Camilla!!! WTF!!!
Here's a picture of her 'with her face on' god knows Charles must have a strong stomach to see her first thing with no make-up.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/210000/images/_214530_camilla.jpg)
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Originally posted by vmfRazor:
I read an article one time written by an American pilot in the "I geuss you'd call it trade program" American serviceman in the RAF while Brit aerviceman in the USAAF in his place. He stated that Brits would do low level attack runs at 50 ft in training while USA forces wouldn't go below 200 FT my hats off to those nuts :)
RazorDD
It's called "nap of the earth" or something like that. There is special equipment fitted on low level bombers to do this. Maybe you were comparing a Tornado where it is fitted and maybe something like an F-16 which it isn't. Not really fair...
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ROFL Revvin MAKE IT GO AWAY! MAKE IT GO AWAY! lol :)
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She isn't that bad....
..when you had a few pints... :D :D
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Soccer vs Football
well if you brits have anything on the sidelines that looks like this, we will talk :)
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for more ---->
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Originally posted by Muck:
National Snackfood
Twinkies------------Tea and Crumpets
Edge: US
Wrath of God
Tornadoes, Earthquakes-----Cold and Wet
Hurricanes, Race Riots
Los Angeles
Edge: US
no one eats tea and crumpets as a snack,
1. they take to long to be considored a 'snack'
2. you have to stand and watch over them as they cook.
i'd like to say a cadbury's crunchie as the snack
bet we have worst riots than you, one instance happened in my home town of Bradford, where the NF (national front) did a peaceful rally (btw they are nazis), but it was Asians who started rioting, they parked cars up at the exits of buildings, burned 'em out, then set the buildings on fire.
btw swoop, which part of the UK do you come from?
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oh yeah, theres one thing you yanks can't match us on, mounty pyphon, need i say more, ok, "tis merly a flesh wound" :D
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Joc> Nope it stays until we at least call it a draw, those are my terms and be warned I have more and am not afraid to use them! :mad:
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FDS you are no brit if you rate the US special forces above ours.
I dont beleive you are british.
as for navy seaals/rangers/delta force why dont you check their record of mission failures?
The british train armies all around the world becaue they are the best.The SAS have a fantastic record for successfull missions and even the failures are stories to tell the grandchildren!
Thats the point, With the Iraq scud hunts even in a balls up they put up a fantastic fight.They killed a rediculous number of iraqis (from memory 127 killed? ) and were captured and tortured for days without breaking.Thats the sort of thing that makes the brits proud.Never give in , never surrender. :)(sound of pipes playing)I suggest you get that union jack get a cold beer sit and watch the bravo 2 zero video (shaun bean)and that discovery programme on the US screw ups in panama and rethink your 'best special forces' opinion :)
PS while your at it check out the S.B.S (special boat service) generally regarded as harder to get into than the SAS!!
then take a look at the Australian SAS's operations.
pps Israel has a pretty good anti terrorist squad too (though they tend to be pretty violent and have lost hostages) but they are truelly bad news if you happen to be the terrorist :D
where are the 'great' US missions?
I know to you yanks think it sounds like arrogance but its not really its blinkered loyalty :D
yanks hate us for it but hell without it we would be french (spit) for gods sake! :(
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"An Englishman...who thinks Americans are hypocritical...."
Why does America have terrorism enshrined and protected in it's constitution?
Or are you guys still saying it's there to protect you from the Queen of England?
<crikets chirping....>
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Sorry but I've ahd enough of this crap!
British SAS vrs American seals, hmmmmmmmmm, like to see the seals train like the SAS. I would also like to see the seals do 85 KM (which is about 50 miles) in 8 hours WITH 209lbs bergens on their back.
It was over 200 iraqis killed.
Last I heard of the BRILLIANT US ARMED FORCES was that they manage to destory another one of their Tank platoons, smart? yeah ok!
Also you talk about the yanks being TOP SNOTCH when it comes to war, well for some reason, one your your TOP NOTCH pilots decided to blow up on of our tank platoons, for some reason they didn't notice the big white crosses marked on the tanks, which indicated that their were allies.
So the the msot allied tank losses in the gulf war was from US fire. Funny that isn't it?
Also funny when we are bombing Bosina in 98 that the US manage to BOMB a Chinese embassy!!!!!
Don't tell me the Brits stink, all the yanks have is technology and numbers.
French? that the biggest insult you can give the brit.
Any Brit that likes the yanks more than there own, go become a U.S citizen then and disregard your rights as a brit because I can tell you this, this brit doesn't want anything to do with you and if yoou needed help, don't look my way.
Seriosuly pissed off Kit
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i have a book called 'SAS: the world's best' which mentions another book,writen by an american that says delta force are THE WORST at hostage reascue, also the yanks suffered more casuties (spelling?) from friendly fire than enemy fire in the gulf
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America and Great Britain took care of the Taliban together now didn't they ?
wtf is all this crap.
We're all on the same side... or at least we were....
Patriotism is fine... but don't stoop to slandering your neighbors/allies in the process, eh ?
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About Prince Charles ,
I heard that he can't wait to be Queen!
Just a rumor :)
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Originally posted by hazed-:
as for navy seaals/rangers/delta force why dont you check their record of mission failures?
where are the 'great' US missions?
[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]
In the world of covert operations, the SAS seem to be Media-Hounds.
With the US forces, you probably only know about the times things went very poorly.
BTW, I think you are right about the SAS and others British units training forces all over the world including the USA. So maybe they really are the best. I'm in no position to know.
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Admit it u idiots ,, everyone wants to be American !!! Blue jeans , Hamburgers , Blonds (true blonds ) with a full set of teeth STRAIGHT TEETH !!! no friggin king and queen to suck up to .. We ALL live like kings here , DEFECT and live the good life .
send your checks to :
Capitalist Pig
1300 washington ave.
Washington D.C.
get a life losers
OHH and KIT we aimed for that Emabacy and your tankers were in the wrong place :)
and Prince Charles will be Queen
[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: paintmaw ]
[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: paintmaw ]
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Prince Charles already is a queen... in case you forgot :)
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All I know about the British, is that when their Prime Minister says he sends their sympathy, and support. He is not talking about sending a condolence card. He is sending some of the finest troops in the world.
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British soliders might have beaten ours in Foozball, but I bet they'd get their tulips handed to em in some good old fashioned HOCKEY!
and btw, all decent US military football players have been drafted into the NFL. lol
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Pei quiet, that's secret mission information. Do still have my British passport though, now that the secret's out.
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Oh OK, So just cos I happen to think the US military is the best in the world and is far better than the British army, then that doesn't make me British anymore ? So does that mean if I like BMW or Mercedes over a crappy Rover it makes me German? Sorry, I'm entitled to my own preferences! :mad:
I read a lot and watch documentaries on the military cos it's one of my hobbies. For your information, the US navy SEALS have the toughest training of any military combat unit. It was on the Discovery Channel. The Royal Marines have the longest which lasts 5 weeks. The Seals a bit less but inbetween they have something called "hell week" where they train non stop for 7 whole days without sleep. Hence the toughest training in the world.
Difference between SEALS and SAS is generally training. SAS train more to fight individualy or a very small team. I have seen the SEALs and they seem more soldier like and less mecenary to me. I prefer the SEALS, sorry.
Who was it that said "what have the SEALS done"?
Anyone ever read during Operation: Restore Hope in Somalia when a platoon of SEALS with 150 Rangers when they went in to arrest that Warlord and they were attacked by thousands of armed guerillas? Well, there were less than 200 of them. I think 13 Americans died. They weren't sure how many they killed, but the red cross had to go in and help with the dead and wounded because they estimated that the Rangers and SEALS had managed to kill over a thousand guerillas and wounded over 3000. How about that for a ratio?
Now the figure in Irag with the SAS doesn;t sound so impressive, does it?
Another thing I want to make clear is that who said the Americans are only good at hitting friendlies? How about you read up a bit on the Falkland war and see how many British soldiers died due to friendly mortar fire during the invasion.
As for history, the US army is still way in front of us, cos:
They were beaten by a bunch of rice farmers in sandles.
But we were beaten by a bunch of miners in South Africa. A bunch of zulu warriors and we were beaten by a bunch of farmers (americans) and a bunch of goat herders (Afghanis).
The Suez crisis in the 50's was when Britain lost it's superpower status after they blockaded it with France and the US sent a ship full of marines. The British and French forces withdrew with soiled underwear.
I've seen the Tornado up close. Actually, I wont go into detail, but this idiot pilot blew down my tent 5 times with his bloody crappy Tornado. In the era of standoff missiles and PGMs (precision guided munitions), the Tornado has become OBSELETE. What's the point of going in low and fast when you can launch a missile from a hundred nautical miles away.
THE FINAL CONCLUSION:
Britain has a defensive army and even the yank national guard would kick our arse.
My opinion.... :p
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some comparisons:
Tanks:
M1 Abrams vs Challenger 2
Abrams wins because the specifications are better, a Challenger 2 flipped over the other month (how a 60 ton tank can flip is anyones guess) amd the Abrams is battle proven.
Choppers:
Apache vs Lynx
haha..Apache is GOOD...lynx is a toy helicopter.
Ships:
Nimitz class carrier vs Crappy HMS Crappythingimajigwhatever
F14-F18 vs rubbish sub-sonic crappy Harrier...need I say more?
Special Forces:
SAS (100 men) SBS (50 men?) v SEALS (2000) DELTA FORCE (1000) 10th Mountain (300) and the other secret units.
Anyone ever watch the embassy seige footage in London in the 80's when the SAS stormed the Lybian embassy? Let's see...apart from the terrorists inside knowing that the SAS were on the roof (0 points for stealth) when they abseiled down, one SAS mans rope caught fire. The professionals?
It's easy to compare the DELTA force raids in Beirut with a flipping embassy in your own country when you ignore the facts. Tell me one mission apart from the embassy which was outside the UK in which they succeeded?
Subs:
Trident v Los Angeles and Seawolf
Well, UK only have boomers...wheres our attack subs???
Heavy bombers...
nothing v b-52, b1, b2
Stealth planes
F117 and b2 v nothing
i could go on until tomorrow...so tell me know...who has the best military?
p.s. where's our top gun school? oh yeah. we dont have fighters. :D
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Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
some comparisons:
Tanks:
M1 Abrams vs Challenger 2
Abrams wins because the specifications are better, a Challenger 2 flipped over the other month (how a 60 ton tank can flip is anyones guess) amd the Abrams is battle proven.
Choppers:
Apache vs Lynx
haha..Apache is GOOD...lynx is a toy helicopter.
Ships:
Nimitz class carrier vs Crappy HMS Crappythingimajigwhatever
F14-F18 vs rubbish sub-sonic crappy Harrier...need I say more?
Special Forces:
SAS (100 men) SBS (50 men?) v SEALS (2000) DELTA FORCE (1000) 10th Mountain (300) and the other secret units.
Anyone ever watch the embassy seige footage in London in the 80's when the SAS stormed the Lybian embassy? Let's see...apart from the terrorists inside knowing that the SAS were on the roof (0 points for stealth) when they abseiled down, one SAS mans rope caught fire. The professionals?
It's easy to compare the DELTA force raids in Beirut with a flipping embassy in your own country when you ignore the facts. Tell me one mission apart from the embassy which was outside the UK in which they succeeded?
Subs:
Trident v Los Angeles and Seawolf
Well, UK only have boomers...wheres our attack subs???
Heavy bombers...
nothing v b-52, b1, b2
Stealth planes
F117 and b2 v nothing
i could go on until tomorrow...so tell me know...who has the best military?
p.s. where's our top gun school? oh yeah. we dont have fighters. :D
Brits are mentally and physicly tougher? WELL THEY ARRRRRE!! :D
Tumor
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Originally posted by Krusher:
Soccer vs Football
well if you brits have anything on the sidelines that looks like this, we will talk :)
yeah, but they turn into this :) http://www.funs.co.uk/downloads/am.zip (http://www.funs.co.uk/downloads/am.zip)
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Originally posted by Tumor:
Brits are mentally and physicly tougher? WELL THEY ARRRRRE!! :D
Tumor
Well, when you haven't got any hardware to speak of - you have to be.
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