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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Downtown on September 03, 2000, 07:54:00 AM
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HT I don't reccomend you get into this fray, wow!
http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/014424.html (http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/014424.html)
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Hals und beinbruch!
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Whew! Everytime HS speaks it reminds me why I left that wonderful community. What a complete jerk. Reminds me of the time he changed the flight models, gave it to us trainers to test. We didn't like the changes, moaned and groaned for over a week. Then they release them anyway and when the community starts going ballistic, HS say's well the trainers tested them and said they were ok.
Then they started deleting trainers threads to trainers on their ill founded UBB board. That's when I left. I realy can't believe ien let's him post. If anybody at ANY company ever talked to me like that they'd never get another penny from me.
I realy love the part where HS says he has all these pictures and info, oh but ofcourse can't post it. What a hipocrite! If you got it but can't show it, you ain't got it!
HT, I don't know if your still in the FUBAR squad. Buf if you are and you still talked to HS, tell him I said he's a jerk please (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) AND to Pyro and HT, thanks for not being like this guy. Everybody should compair Pyro's method of response to critisism to that of HS. Pyro is the defenition of class in my book!
Udie
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Uhm, I don't know much about AGW.
But read some posts. No kill message? No info on qho killed you? No gun camera? Porke 30mm? Hard vs soft on front/back of engine. Based on almost pre internet modem connections?
Sorry for asking, but why are these dudes still playing that game when AH is around? Larger planeset and HA would be an explanation. AH being different and possibly more difficult another.
But seriously. Sounds like they stick to a 1988 Datsun when there's a 2001 Jaguar waiting on the front porch, for less money.
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime
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What a bunch of idiots. <walks back over to light>
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Originally posted by StSanta:
Uhm, I don't know much about AGW.
But seriously. Sounds like they stick to a 1988 Datsun when there's a 2001 Jaguar waiting on the front porch, for less money.
I think it's either the smaller plane set or the diferent flight model. I'm realy suprised the more WB players haven't switched to AH. Of course there is the whole Mac issue, but business is business. I hope the FM change will bring more WB players this way.
You have no idea how much more fun the arena would be with players like Prop, Stigr, Sick,=ac=, Scop the list goes on and on. DAMN good sticks and fun people too. Hopefuly there's not too much bad blood between the communities now. My bad blood is with the company and the way it treats, looks at it's community. At least the way it did a year ago when I quit.
Games like Aces High and WW2 Online will succeed over games like WB3 for one reason, I believe. The owners want to play the games themselves! THEN make money on them.
udie
[This message has been edited by Udie (edited 09-03-2000).]
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oops (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Udie (edited 09-03-2000).]
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oh god not scop LOL if channel one isnt bad enouph aleady. its still burnt into my brain (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
"kill kill kill scop is god!!!"
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Scop is involved with a game called "Terra". It's in free beta now. See the "Free Beta, come break our server! O-T" thread on AGW.
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The funniest part is I'll bet that not a single one has even held a 30mm round in their hand - let alone fire it and even smaller odds - from one airplane aimed at another.
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HS was partly responsible in my leaving WB, he certainly was'nt the cause, there were many things that I personally did'nt like in WB at the time which stopped me playing as much so I made my consumer choice and tried out AH and enjoyed it. HS deleting my posts on the iEN UBB after one tongue in cheek remark about not beleiving early plane model shots were actual in game shots (which I still stand by) was the last straw, after he deleted one I posted it again and he threatened to remove me from the board completley, so as a customer I used the only weapon I had and withdrew my subscription to Warbirds. Although I did not want to add fuel to the fire another thread by HS angered me, the thread he posted about CRS and problems with WW2OL, granted they were not his words but in his position he should NOT have posted them.
[This message has been edited by Revvin (edited 09-03-2000).]
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"I'll bet that not a single one has even held a 30mm round in their hand" - Wrong there
"let alone fire it" - Hmmm true. Does .50 cal, 20mm, 23mm and 40mm Count? If so, wrong again.
"from one airplane aimed at another" - Well, ya got me there.
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Vadr
Kommandeur, III/JG 2 'Richthofen' (http://www.jg2.org/)
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vadr@jg2.org
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A combat sim without guns. Is like a day without sunshine.
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It sure seems to me in early posts that he blames HT for a lot of what is wrong in Warbirds today too. I don't know how accurate that statement is, but wouldn't want to see a pissing match there. Apparently if I get the gist, the whole thing started because Buff Hardness was 1.5 in one of the arenas they were practicing HO attacks on B-17s with 262, many sprites and no (As VADR Said) NO, Zero Damage to the Buff. So it started with a Arena issue, and has blown up into, well, it just Blew Up real good (The thread, not the 30MM.)
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Hals und beinbruch!
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HS has made an artform out of blaming HT's 'messy code' and blaming all the ills of the world on the original WB team but what the HS cheerleaders forget when swallowing all this crap is that WB was originally programmed over 5 years ago with the last major updated version out about 2-3 years ago, its all very well banging on that the old gunnery programming limits this and limits that but it was written a long time ago and computers and internet connectivity have moved a long way sine then which allows programmers to get alot more into a sim. The porked gunnery under the iEN era of WB was another reason why I quit, whether WB as it stands now models this or that it seems HS is standing steadfast by engineering formulae that WB as it stands now just does'nt stand a chance of simulating yet players have had a wealth of historical evidence to support increasing the damage effect of the Mk108 and yet HS refuses to back down (ego?) and yet increases the effectiveness of other cannon in WB.
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Renfield posted:
The funniest part is I'll bet that not a single one has even held a 30mm round in their hand - let alone fire it and even smaller odds - from one airplane aimed at another.
What does it matter that they have not fired this weapon in reality? from reading Vadr's posts on the subject he's pounded buffs driven as drones to test the Mk108 and the results are not what he and every other player who has read first hand reports on the effectiveness of the Mk108 expects, at 300yards three rounds would take down or at least seriously damage a B17 beyond being able to continue its mission.
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And a lot of people on that BB cannot see why people left WB's..........HS is an ass, plain and simple. He has NO people skills, cannot accept even the remotest amount of criticism, be it positive or negative. If HT and Pyro talked to us that way, I would leave here too. HS takes the liberty of deleting any post that makes it looks like he might be wrong, only a lot of the time, a lot of us read them before he got to them....did not make the guy look any better. His "take what we have, if you don't like it get the hell out" attitude was the final straw......v2.75's H2H code was totally screwed, and then he had the audacity to tell us "we have no intention of fixing it. End of subject..."
To hell with WB's.........WB3 is only gonna be like AH Beta......not worth my time or money.
[This message has been edited by eddiek (edited 09-03-2000).]
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My reply to that thread:
This WHOLE thread brings to mind these two jokes...you can switch around names and titles depending on which side of the argument your on (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
There was a pilot flying a small single engine charter plane, with a couple of very important executives on board. He was coming into the Seattle airport through thick fog with less than 10 miles visibility when his instruments went out. So, he began circling around looking for a landmark.
After an hour or so, he starts running pretty low on fuel and the passengers are getting very nervous. Finally, a small opening in the fog appears and he sees a tall building with one guy working alone on the fifth floor. The pilot banks the plane around, rolls down the window and shouts to the guy; "Hey where am I?"
To this, the solitary office worker replies, "You're in a plane."
The pilot rolls up the window, executes a 275 degree turn and proceeds to execute a perfect blind landing on the runway of the airport 5 miles away. Just as the plane stops, so does the engine as the fuel has run out.
The passengers are amazed and one asks how he did it. "Simple," replies the pilot.
"I asked the guy in that building a simple question. The answer he gave me was 100 percent correct but absolutely useless, therefore, that must be Microsoft's support office and from there the airport is just five miles due East."
A man is flying in a hot air balloon and realizes he is lost. He reduces height and spots a man down below. He lowers the balloon further and shouts; "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised my friend I would meet him half an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."
The man below says, "Yes. You are in a hot air balloon, hovering approximately 30 feet above this field. You are between 40 and 42
degrees North latitude, and between 58 and 60 degrees West longitude."
"You must be an engineer," says the balloonist.
"I am," replies the man. "How did you know?"
"Well," says the balloonist, "everything you have told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and the fact is I am still lost."
The man below says, "You must be a manager"
"I am," replies the balloonist, "but how did you know?"
"Well," says the man, "you don't know where you are, or where you are going. You have made a promise which you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. The fact is you are in the exact same position you were in before we met, but now it is somehow my fault."
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Well thanks to HS I reached saturation point & left brand W.
Best thing that ever happened to me!
Thanks HS, it seems to be the one thing your good at. (Driveing customers away that is)
[This message has been edited by Ghosth (edited 09-04-2000).]
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Quote:
<Snip>
"Course I could be completely wrong."
Don't feel bad. You aint the only one "wrong" in this stupid thread.
Cabby
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"The Jungle Air Force"
Welcome To The Jungle!!!"
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...you got that right Cabby, tons of incorrect assumptions in this thread.
Anyways, as far as the 30mm AGW thread goes, there was a mis-communication on Arena settings that can be found on page 2, and a second thread has been created on the subject:
http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/014455.html (http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/014455.html)
Lots of GREAT info on the 30mm in those threads, <S> to the guys on AGW contributing, I wish I could say the same about this thread on this board.
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Skybax
328thFS ~ 352nd FG
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[This message has been edited by sky_bax (edited 09-03-2000).]
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I dont have an opinion about HS either way.
But, I went through that whole thread, read every one of HS's replys, I dont see anything insulting or wrong with any of them.
Seems to me he was open for discussion, willing to look at any solid data or information he could get that would help with the issue.
I think you guys are being a little critical of him without reason, at least in this case.
Just my opinion, your welcome to disagree no matter how wrong you would be. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Dago
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<sigh>
Just a technical note: The difference in Buff hardness explains the difference between HS's test results and mine. In both cases, 20mm rounds were still more effective or as effective as 30mm rounds.
New information has been presented on the fuse design for the Mk108, and HS will be adjusting the modelling of these rounds to reflect this new info.
Just to keep the record straight...
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Vadr
Kommandeur, III/JG 2 'Richthofen' (http://www.jg2.org/)
CM, S3 Team (http://personal.smartt.com/~barbell/S3main.html)/Parser (http://www.cgidesign.net/s3/)
vadr@jg2.org
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[This message has been edited by vadr (edited 09-03-2000).]
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I took a 109-g10 up today with only 1 30mm in the nose. I made a headon attack on a B17 at about 24k shot at 1000 yards and fired 4 rounds, 2 hit. 1 shell hit each wing. Net result, 1 B17 spiraling Earthward minus 2 wings (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Udie
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OK, UK guys can anyone help me to get the number to call to cancel my WB account? I've been paying the min thing for some reason but haven't been online since February... 0800s don't work from here and they ignore my e-mails (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif).
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lynx
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Lynx mail to the official WB BBS http://lists.imagiconline.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi (http://lists.imagiconline.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi) and tell them.Give them a week and if no reaction, contact your bank and stop transfers.
danish
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LOL Cabby if its so stupid why come over here and comment? the whole Mk108 argument reminds me so much of the .303 argument not so long ago when I left WB, its a shame really because sometimes I hover over the accounts page at iEN just to hook up for a month and say hello to some of the friends I left behind and I must be honest the WW2Arena intrigues me somewhat but as I fly LW iron now will my cannons work anymore?
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What exactly did HS do?
Seemed to me that he was being pretty candid, but it also seemed that players did not have confidence in what he was trying to explain.
Argueing for the sake of it or just position just missing the others point. I don't know....
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"hehehe...I like this thread squealing Bastids!"
SOB
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I read the thread too. I didn't like HS aproach on it.
What did HS do? He spoke before he looked. He said that everything was right and everyone just didn't understand what was going on. He used theories to explain away everything that happened as to why the 10 hits did not damage.
Then he (someone else) discovered the settings were incorrect.
People saw something wrong and posted it. HS argued through quite a few posts as to how wrong they were. When the settings error was discovered, instead of saying "oops... ignore what I said above".. he said "you see.. I was right.. the settings were just wrong".
I would like to think other people would look into it a tad bit more before being conviced they are so right. <S> to HTC for changing the 20mm modeling and admitting to sustained turn problems.
After all.. they could have just said it was only an incorrect setting... all of their data was right.
AKDejaVu
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oh.. I particularly liked the "the props stopped the bullets" argument. That was a real winner.
AKDejaVu
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Nowhere in the AGW thread somebody said a prop would stop a 30mm.
Try to learn to read.
Macchi
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My mistake. He was refering to the "Radial".. that device just behind a rotating propeller.
Either way. It must be totally armored. It doesn't seem as if a 30mm is expected to do any damage to it at all. Unless... of course... you shoot it from the back. That must be the weak spot? On a radial engine?
AKDejaVu
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oh.. and...
nobody said a prop would stop a 30mm
Nobody said it would stop a 30mm.. just that it seems that it does.
I'm kind of curious about what else would provide the front of a radial engine more protection that the wing behind it? Afterall, HS did say the front is much harder than the back.
AKDejaVu
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Quote:
"LOL Cabby if its so stupid why come over here and comment?"
If you don't know i can't help you.
Cabby
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"The Jungle Air Force"
Welcome To The Jungle!!!"
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"OK, UK guys can anyone help me to get the number to call to cancel my WB account? ....0800s don't work from here"
0800's works just fine from central London.
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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Hey Cabby quit stalking this UBB like some irrational character out of Fatal Attraction, I'm beginning to feel sorry for you.