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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Kweassa on July 04, 2002, 04:03:30 AM
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Before we start, please do FORGET :mad: all the glory moments you had before 1.10 where you would happily pick out every single fighter hangar and merrily knock them out at dweebish altitudes of 35k.
Level bombing is destruction by sheer brute force. Mighty multi-engine buffs do not pick out a single dot on the surface and pin it down. They select the whole area and smash it to smithereens.
I see people complaining that the new bombing model is not "accurate", "buffs are useless" and on and on..
Nothing strange. How can one expect it to be useful and accurate when you don't know how to do it?
Three buff boxes are accurate enough as to pick out a small 3 square mile area and pulverize whatever it is standing on it. If you are expecting to pick out a 30 square feet area, you're in the wrong plane. Try a Dauntless or D3A1 Val.
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Here is the plane of choice for my demonstration on level-bombing: The Ju-88A
Let's start the lessons.
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With the dot commands ".salvo" and ".delay", you can determine the amount of bombs dropped at a single pass, and the delay between bomb drops. This is the first thing you must do before going into a bomb run.
Now, as I told you, if you want effective brute force, forget all those "drop three here, drop three there" you were used to. Unless you've got way too much time in your hands and have nothing else to do, a level bombing run is one-pass event. Set salvo to maximum number of bombs you have.
The delay determines how much the bombs are spread out. A delay of about 0.75 covers a length of 3~4 mile long line which the bombs will be scattered about. Usually, the strat targets in AH requires a delay of no more than 0.75 since they aren't very large. Set delay between about 0.60 ~ 0.70.
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As I said earlier on, forget all the bombings you used to do. Level bombing does not not pass over a target at 300mph, drop 3 bombs, turn on a dime, drop 3 more. Bomb runs are required.
A bomb run begins at about 6~8 miles prior to target. The desired altitude is between 10k~18k, any lower than that you are cannon fodder, any higher and don't expect any sort of 'good accuracy'. When a bomb run starts, you will approach at the target in a straight line at a stable speed. Accelerations or deccelerations will kill off whatever calibration you've attempted - and this is the reason why a bomb run requires at least 6~8 miles. Starting a bomb run closer than that will not give you enough time to calibrate the sights. (If your airspeed is too high, you will inevitably throttle down to buy enough time to calibrate. The buff will be slowing down as you calibrate, and thus, the speed when you drop the bombs will not be the same as the speed you calibrated the sights).
Set up a straight flight path, and set to about 75~80% maximum throttle.
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After your buff formation reaches a steady speed and flight path, jump to the bomb sight by pressing (default) F6. You will see the familiar bomb sight, but there will also be a red checklist displayed - required for correct calibration process.
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Press the "U" key to begin calibration process. You'll notice the red check list has changed colors to yellow. In this checklist, the keys you have set for "Calibration mode ON/OFF" and "Mark target" are displayed.
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Once the calibration mode starts, you can move the joystick around without moving the aircraft. With the joystick, you are able to move the bomb sight around.
Push up on the joy stick and try to look at the terrain before you. Spot out your target and set your cross hairs on it.
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In the "marking" process, you are actually measuring the relative speed between the target and your plane. That's why you should never ever think of messing with the flight path or air speed once the bomb run starts.
When you have found your target, and have placed the cross hairs on it, zoom in with the "Z" key and control the zoom level(preferably maximum zoom) with "[" and "]" keys.
Once it is maximum zoomed in, press the (default) "Y" key for more than 2 seconds. Make sure the cross hairs don't move while you are doing this.
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Once you have successfully 'marked' the target, press the "ESC" key to bring up the clipboard. You don't necessarily have to go out of the bomber position to do this. Bring up the clipboard and control zoom on the map by using "Insert" and "Delete" function keys.
Then, click at the target on the map to set the drop altitude. The cross hairs may have moved out of the target, but once the marking process was finished, this doesn't matter.
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Once you haved both 'mark'ed the target and set drop altitude, press the "O" key to open bomb bay doors. This is the last process you must go through in the calibration mode(in real life, the bomb bay doors will be opened up before calibration starts. you can choose to open the bomb bay doors first, too. The difference in accuracy isn't effected by much). Once the doors are open, you will notice all the red checklists have now turned yellow - meaning you have finished everthing that is to be done at the calibration mode.
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Press the (default) "U" key once again to turn off the calibration mode and return to your normal bomb sight mode. You will see all the check list has turned green, meaning you are ready to start bombing.
You will also notice that the cross hairs have reverted to their original position. But this, is now your bomb sight which has been calibrated according to your flight data. You will drop bombs according to this bomb sight.
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Now you wait until the calibrated bomb sight moves close to the target.
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As the sight nears the target, use the "Z" "[" and "]" keys to control the zoom level.
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Now is the time to drop! Remember, this is level bombing, nor a pin-point bombing. This sort of bombing covers an "area" not a "point". Therefore, you should start bombing when the cross hair reaches about the point circled out in the picture.
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Once you've pushed the drop button, the bombs will fall in an orderly fashion. After you hear bombs dropping out of the door, you may push the (default) "U" key to go to calibration mode again and see the bombs dropping in a very immersive/realistic manner. (Since the "drop bombs" button is pushed already, going into calibration will not effect the bombing results. The only thing which will effect the results are change in the bombers speed, flight path or altitude).
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In the calibration mode, you will be able to observe the extent of damage done to the target. (In the picture, the impact starts right in the middle of the target. This is because when I was making this demonstration I dropped the bombs a little late - when the calibrated sight was right in the middle of the target.. I should have began dropping the bombs when it was at the position circled out earlier on)
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Observe the results. Now, based on the picture, imagine what it would be like if there were just two more pilots, each in a 3-plane bomber box, to my left and right.
It would have smothered the whole area with bomb craters.
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The new bombing model is not "inaccurate". The only way it would be inaccurate is if the people using it does not know how to do it correctly, that's all there is to it.
I reckon try practicing a bit before commenting about it.... and once more, FORGET what you were used to. This is something new.
Adapt to it.
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Big S! Kwaessa!
Very good lesson!
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nice post, thanks :)
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Big
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Great explanaition
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Great Post
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Thanks Kweassa. Great lesson.
:)
ET
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thankyouthankyouthankyou :)
Excellent tutorial which works.
I find the hardest part is keeping the crosshairs aligned on a single point for 2 seconds but that will come with practice.
To practice bombing runs I suggest downloading the Germany map. If you switch to rook and go to A48 you can select the NW runway and you get an "Airstart" at 20K. The other bombers in your formation don't seem bothered at all and I have not lost one yet using this.
(TOD Cm's ..... A rerun of the Mighty 8th please) :D
A big
TTFN
snafu
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Dumb question:
can u use the speed command to maintain constant speed?
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Originally posted by Duedel
Dumb question:
can u use the speed command to maintain constant speed?
It works only with auto climb
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rgr thx
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Congratulations for this really clear and helpfull tutorial, Kweassa :-)
For the first time in years, I've decided to try a bomber and I've really enjoyed it though I couldn't do much ;-) Now, with this great tutorial I hope I can hit anything :-)
thx
fradim
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This post is realy deserved a
,........ what the heck I give you another for this briliant tutorial;).
NB: My problem was as Snfu, To held down the mark key for 2-3 sec and hold it real steady with full zomm! SO you gett it steady;).
Or I dont gott the green txt;)
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Do you have to mark the target when calibrating? Or can it be any point on the ground?
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Thanks for taking the time to post such a detailled explanation.
Gonna try this straight away :)
Just a couple of short sentences in the Help file could have made this all clear. But never mind - we have 1.10 now :)
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Huge thank you and big Salute sir!
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Excellent walkthrough Kweassa!
Deserving of a training credit IMO, cause you know everyone who's helping newbies with bombing is gonna refer them to this thread :D
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Probably the best post I've seen. A huge
for the time and effort Kweassa.
Now we can get down to some REAL bombing and now we'll need REAL fighter cover.
Sparks
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Kweassa:
! A lot of folks have chimed in but this is truly excellent work! I'm posting the link to this thread for the 412th to read!
Tango, XO
412th FS Brauco Mustangs
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Originally posted by Virage
Do you have to mark the target when calibrating? Or can it be any point on the ground?
in my experience, marking any point will do the trick.
My experience is 90% of bombs into selected target area...so I'd say it works :D
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Wow Kwessa...
Thanks for putting the time and effort into this lesson.
HiTech should give you a months free service for writing a manual this concise...
I am sending the link to this thread to all of my Squad.
Thanks and Salute
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Kweassa: salute:) fantastic job helped alot thanks
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thanks for the post/lesson
question;
why are you dropping before the point you targeted? Isn't the drift calculated so that the bombs will hit chosen center when hairs are on original chosen point/target (Y) ?
how much lead would you give it? wouldn't it vary by speed & alt? whats the purpose of the "Y" if you have to drop before it? Just to get it close? Just wondering... thanks again for taking the time for the tutorial - it helps.
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All I would say is it is alot less complex then that... and bombing is alot more accurate than this tutorial would have you believe.
Get to the alt you want to bomb at.
note the throttle setting..(calibrate at 3/4 throttle and you will have more time over the field)
open your doors. let the plane slow down.
You will have to bomb at this altitude and this speed to be effecitve.
Go to the bomb sight
Go to calibrate mode.
Pick a spot on the ground.. ( I watch for a nice mark target as I fly) As far as I know the alt of the calbrate target is irellivent. Only how closely you match your speed and alt at drop to your speed and alt at calibration
Use the joystick to put the cross hairs on it.
Let the cross hairs settle in for a sec till your steady.
Hold down the mark key for as long as you can.
(5 seconds is easy)
When you release the mark key it will tell you to click on the target on the map to put the target alt in..
.. leave calibrate mode by hiting calibrate key again.
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If you had a very steady mark..
and if you fly at the speed you where at and the alt you where at during the calibration, and if you are reasobnably steady during your drop, you can still hit very accuratly...
you can definatly take out acks at 10k with 100 pound bombs..I got three in my first pass with 3 bombs...and there are 3 of you dropping...
You can certainly do several passes at a base just like you used too. but you have to do the long bomb runs that are described..cause you have to get back to our alt and speed almost perfectly..
Totaly different bombing game...
this system is a blast...
Thanks HTC.
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Kweassa
HiTech
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What map was that...I couldn't help but notice that the desert had greened up.
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THX for the tip
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Kweassa!!!!!!!!
I figured out the calibration yesterday when the game got updated and it was a lengthy process of trial and error....your post with the pictures was simply OUTSTANDING!
I drop things for a living and have to give a 2cents comment in there as well.......Make sure your plane is straight, level, and established on airspeed when doing your run!!!!!!! Anything else risks error on your run.
GREAT POST:D
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Originally posted by Kweassa
When you have found your target, and have placed the cross hairs on it, zoom in with the "Z" key and control the zoom level(preferably maximum zoom) with "[" and "]" keys.
Once it is maximum zoomed in, press the (default) "Y" key for more than 2 seconds. Make sure the cross hairs don't move while you are doing this.
Wouldn't it be more accurate to mark a point immediately below you rather than on the target itself? :confused:
Great write-up BTW - obviously a lot of hard work! :)
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Kweassa thanks a lot for this Explanation. You made a lot of work for us all.
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Pongo:
Yes, what you say is true. Knocking FH by FH style of pin point bombing is still possible, but as you mentioned in some other post yourself, it is widely inefficient. Each passes will need a long traverse from the target to gently turn the formation again, and from what I have found out, in something like a large airbase, by the time you knock out every hangar, the first one you dropped would be popping up again :)
Eagler:
In truth, I am not dropping before the place I have "targeted". The mark process is really measuring the relative speed, so as other people have pointed out, you really don't have to 'target' the crosshairs on the object when calibrating.
Since the open doors/mark/measure alt process already calibrates the speed and altitude info into the "green" bomb sight, the lead does not vary. If you have calibrated correctly, the first bomb dropped will land on where the crosshair was when the 'drop bombs' button was pushed. The rest of the bombs land traversing forward from that first point. So, what really varies is how long the rest of the bombs traverse from the first drop point - and this is determined by salvo and delay.
Flossy:
Any point on the ground would work. There is no difference in accuracy because in a bomb run, the bombers are flying in a constant speed.
Tthe reason I chose to demonstrate it by moving the stick to mark the hairs on the target was 1) to do it in a lil' bit more immersive/realistic fashion, and 2) the target on the ground is a better reference to use than just any arbitrary point on the ground.
The reason why the target further of in front of you is a better reference than the ground directly below you is, because, it is way easier to keep steady the cross hairs and mark it for 2 seconds. (human sight perspectives and some physics have to do with this.. kinda hard to explain. The further out the crosshairs are, the less they relatively travel, and thus easier to keep still at a single spot for two seconds - try it yourself).
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Thank You Very Much Kweassa!! You definitely cleared the mud with this tutorial! ;)
Great post! With pictures even.....Thanks Again!
Rob53
The Flying Circus
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Thanks Kweassa! :) Huge Help!
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S! Kweassa! One of the very best helpful posts Ive ever seen in a forum like this.
I shall direct my pilots attention to it!
Esme
CO of Kampfgeschwader 2 "Holzhammer"
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WTG!!
Thanks for the lesson.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Now is the time to drop! Remember, this is level bombing, nor a pin-point bombing. This sort of bombing covers an "area" not a "point". Therefore, you should start bombing when the cross hair reaches about the point circled out in the picture.
Hi Kweassa,
First of all, my sincere thanks for the tuturial. I'm in the process of printing it out and a link to your post has been added to the CAF training area.
I've got this printed out and intend to give it a whirl
very shortly. Much obliged!
Regards, Oddball
Cactus Air Force
CPID: OddCAF
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Thanks Kweassa !!! about the only thing I'd add is that the bomb doors now produce "drag" so I'd open them before running the calibration. Weather its enough drag to effect a drop I don't know, but better safe than sorry! :)
Thanks agian, Great tutorial !
Maddog Joe
(http://webpages.charter.net/maddogjoe/444th3.jpg)
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Absolutely awesome tutorial Kweassa!!! SIR!!!
I vote Hitech Creations gives you one YEARs free subscription!
It's enough to give me the chance in a bomber!
THANKS AGAIN!!! WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!! :)
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Are u sure your delay wasnt more like .075 to .085? Otherwise an excellent job on your part !
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Fabulous post, Kweassa -- big salute and thanks.
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Thanks Kweasa! :)
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Thanks for the excellent primer!
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Great thread Kwessa
The only input I have is that when in calibration mode, i'll set the speed by looking straight down, not at the target. When looking straight down, you can find a shadow or some other anomily to set your sight on to calibrate the speed. That makes it easier then to try to look far forward and locate your actual target. IMHO
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Salute!! Kwessa
Well the MAW' thru me say thanks in advance..you have anwserd some questions that I had....
I hope i dont carpet bome your friends........now that we have the tools..heheheheheh
exceelnt..and you should get training credit...
If you ever nneed help please ask me in the MA.....we owe you 1:)
Love BIGB
xoxoxo
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Most Exellent:D ..Thanks Kweassa
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excelent:D
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Thank you, you saved my life lol know i know why some things turn yellow and red when im bombing and that i need to set all the keys ,
Looks like you did a good job now time to test it.....
BOMBS AWAY!
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So after calibration etc, I return to my bombsight. If I find plane is not lined up exactly can I move bomber a little? And if so does this affect my calibration.
Thanks again. Too fast, Too Slow my my my..... Will I ever learn!
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u can turn abit so long as u do so while in the bombsight
SKurj
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I have two salutes actually. The first is to HTC for making bombing a bit more realistic,
, this new setup is very close to reality, from what I've heard from a very reliable source ( he was there! Said it was usually more boring though, lol). The second salute obviously goes to Kweassa, that was among the best tutorials I have ever seen, if not the best! Have you thought about a website for it and anything else you come up with? That kind of info and presentation is worthy of it's own website! Kweassa, one hell of a good tutorial!
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Excellent tutorial! Thank you very much...... big <
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S! :)
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You can use autospeed to set a constant speed.
1st set your speed the turn on auto climb then adjust throttle untill you are flying level. You will now be at the air speed you set in level flight. This is a VERY effective in forming up buff formations.
After everyone is formed up push thottle up and everyone will climb at the same airspeed and spacing can be maintained. :D
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this oughtta be in the manual [punt]
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Great Job!
As a 3 week veteran of AH I feel qualified to judge this lesson as
OUTSTANDING!
Now, can you tell me how to consistently hit my target when divebombing??
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ICE!!! shhh dont let the nme know!!!!..lolol
Love BiGB
xoxo
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please correct the instructions so at least people will be properly calibrated when they carpet bomb....
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Very nice work Kweassa!
You don't teach only how we do a bomb run. You teach how to do a excelent help tutorial.<>
Chefer
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great post KWEASSA I think that I am finally ready to try the new bombing model
Ferris
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Nicely done! Thanks for your effort! :)
Hellova job!
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bump for a great tutorial!
-Vampyr
Bomber Section
No. 441 Squadron, RCAF
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Hi Mates
How do I print this out with pictures??
Old one needs help.
Majors
249RAF
Oldest Yank in the RAF
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Majors, just click on the "Show printable version" button below, and print that one.
Maddog Joe
(http://webpages.charter.net/maddogjoe/444th3.jpg)
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Originally posted by MaddogJoe
Majors, just click on the "Show printable version" button below, and print that one.
That version doesn't appear to show the pictures..... perhaps copy and paste each message into a Word document, which should also include the pictures? :)
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This is a GREAT job. SAAAAAALUTE
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I have carefully read the above tutorial (it's very well written BTW) and I have followed it to the letter about 50 times.
I have YET to get the green text that indicates a successful calibration.
Do the FlightModelFlags in the Arena settings have anything to do with this? I currently have all the bombsight related ones "unchecked" (but, I tried it with various settings, all to no avail).
If the precision of my "marking" procedure is too low, will that result in the no calibration result, or will I just get a lousy calibration.
So far I have spent over five real time hours doing this over and over... I love flying buffs and I really want to master this.
Can anyone point out the error of my way? Please?
Thanks,
BobL
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As a wild guess, are you pressing U (or whatever key you have for "Calibrate Mode") a second time AFTER you have:
1) Marked with the joystick and Y (or whatever you have for "Mark Point")
and
2) set the altitude - by clicking the clipboard map, on the target field
It is the second U that gets you out of calibration mode and turns the text green.
A small point, the green text does not mean "an accurate calibration has been carried out". It just means you have carried out the procedure.
I highly recommend going here
http://mysite.freeserve.com/mrbd/maps/bomber.htm (http://mysite.freeserve.com/mrbd/maps/bomber.htm)
Full marks and thanks to BenDover for this resource
For anyone who ever doubted the accuracy of the new AH Bombsite (like me), or who still needs a bit more practice (like me)
This link will take you to a very small download. It is a mini terrain.
Unzip it to your Aces High/terrain folder. You can practice offline, don't forget to choose the terrain within Aces High.
You take off at 12k and within half a sector there are loads of targets at sea level, including a fleet.
This means that you can cram a whole bomb run practice in to a few minutes. And the result is that you can get pretty accurate, VERY quickly 8^)
Hope this helps
DStar
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Originally posted by DarkStarStv
As a wild guess, are you pressing U (or whatever key you have for "Calibrate Mode") a second time AFTER you have:
1) Marked with the joystick and Y (or whatever you have for "Mark Point")
and
2) set the altitude - by clicking the clipboard map, on the target field
It is the second U that gets you out of calibration mode and turns the text green.
DStar
Yes, I AM pressing "U" the second time, and when I do I am presented with RED text showing all the values that were set during the calibration procedure. In addition, when I bomb (with the red text) I cannot hit the broad side of a barn!!! I always overshoot by miles.
Ok... this is an edit... It turns out that I AM REALLY STUPID. I read the procedure just like everyone else did, but I did not come away with "hold down the "Y" key for at least two seconds." Stupid me! I was putting my cross hairs on a point on the ground, getting it steady and pressing the "Y" key once. Then I waited at least two seconds (usually much longer) and then I pressed the "Y" key again to mark the end of the time interval.
I do not know how I came away with that notion... geez what a handsomehunk I am!
Thanks to DStar for trying to help. You could not have known I was such a handsomehunk! LOL :o
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Glad you figured it out. And you really can get quite accurate with it, as long as you keep your line, speed, alt constant
Good Luck
DStar
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Originally posted by DarkStarStv
Glad you figured it out. And you really can get quite accurate with it, as long as you keep your line, speed, alt constant
Good Luck
DStar
Problem is I cant hold the joystick steady enough for a good calibration.
If I could Id be playing AH right now :(
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imp..mayb eu need to fin etun eyor dampingn and dead spots on your joystiuk...this helps..ALOT!!
Love BiGB
xoxo
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
imp..mayb eu need to fin etun eyor dampingn and dead spots on your joystiuk...this helps..ALOT!!
Love BiGB
xoxo
How much of it would really help?
TY for the info.
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alot.....it really helps control the nose bounce when you are zoomed in trying to squeeze trigger on nme ...
if you look at BB on .. do a search for Joystick settings..you should find peopls post on soem ideas on settings..dampinings-deadband etc...
It really improves your shooting and flying skills
If you need more help..fell free to ask....
Love BiGB
xoxo
Merry New year:)
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Tried it offline and green cross was real close to aiming point of the bombsight :)
Thanks now I might play AH again :) :) :) :)
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Cuz this needs to be kept easily found :)
NwBie
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BOING
nice walkthrough, thanks.
Darkstar, thanks for the link to the map.
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oops, double post sorry.
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If you hadnt scrolled or seen it in another post check out....
http://www.combathanger.com
For Alf's bombing tutorial!
:)
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If you hadnt scrolled or seen it in another post check out....
http://www.combathanger.com
For Alf's bombing tutorial!
:)
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If you hadnt scrolled or seen it in another post check out....
http://www.combathanger.com
For Alf's bombing tutorial!
:)
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Cuz this is where i send peeps who ask how to calibrate for bomb runs
Much easier than explaining :)
NwBie
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bump for newbies.:rolleyes:
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bump!
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Need to keep this up high on list--could use a sticky
Skuzzy
:)
NwBie
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punt
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I never get to this one !!! :) ya'll are just too quick ! :D
Maddog Joe
(http://webpages.charter.net/maddogjoe/444th3.jpg)
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3rd Down--oh my God it is a quick kick!!
Havn't seen that play in years!!!
NwBie :)
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got nuthin to say, just testin avatar
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sorry Sno, it looks like it didn't work
Maddog Joe
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Excellent post Kwessa. Only thing I would add is the use of the view up key on your numeric keypad i.e. the number 8 key.
When you have finished calibrating and would like to ensure that you are steering in the right direction use this key to change your view to look ahead. Then use your joystick to the make minor adjustments to the target (of course use the zoom function (Z Key) and the [ , ] keys to bring the target into view )
Only thing to worry about is try not to make too many corrections. This limits the possibility of messing up your calibration.
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punt
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First i'll start by saying great post on how to actually teach someone how to use the bomsight method in a bomber. I haven't been able to set the salvo from just one and the delay from anything other than .5 sec. Any one got an answer to that it would be greatly appreciated.:D
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other than bringing up the radio bar and typing a dot command like, ".salvo[space]2" or ".delay[space].05" with out the quotes and "[space]" has always worked for me :)
Maddog Joe
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Thkx. When you type that in what color of print should be used or does it matter? I was typing the salvo change but nothing happend I guess I just need the "." in front of it to get it to work. Have been getting pretty good at dropping the bombs in the pickle barrel by pressing the secondary trigger on the stick, this should make it easier.:)
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This is a great tutorial.
This cleared up a couple of questions I had.:) :D :p
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Great post :)
muffdvr,
The salvo and delay commands are your basic 'dot commands' which are listed in the AH Help file.
Use one / followed by one . then the command.
The system will give you a reply with your new settings on the salvo and delay commands.
Another useful one is the move command, especially on the large maps. A "/.move 218" will take you to base 218, if your country owns it.
fuzeman
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The loss of pictures has really degraded this tutorial and possibly the bbs in general :(
I wish HTC had the ability to input specific pictures. Here's a case where they are desperately needed.
fuzeman
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Some basic pictures would be great, and also help more than words at times. I just moved sorry about the long wait on reply. Since my last entries i've gotten really good at bombind runs, at least in the offline. Online you got to worr about wind and enemy fighters. I can still hit a ground target at 25k ft, wind makes it a more of a chalange. AH should have a auto drift tracking for the auot pilot on the bomb run.:)
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What kind of picture you looking to post?
(http://webpages.charter.net/maddogjoe/ahss1.gif)
You can still add pictures, you just have to host them on your own server then link them.
Maddog Joe
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Can we have "level bombing video" on AH film to see how its done?
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Originally posted by MaddogJoe
What kind of picture you looking to post?
Well, the pictures that were originally posted with the tutorial.
Other sites have sprung up with them on it but this was the first and very good.
The other ones weren't to shabby either though.
fuzeman
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not to good of a tutorial now...because theres no pictures...hmmm. Why did htc take off the picture post capability?
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PUNT
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PUNT
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All the pictures that were originally included in this thread were posted as attachments. Had they been done by posting on a website and using the IMG tag, they would still be there now - this method has always been available. However, they were done as attachments, and attachments take up lots of room on the BBS server, so when HTC decided to save room by removing all attachments, the pictures were gone. The original messages can't even be edited now either, so the only alternative would be for Kweassa to repost his tutorial with pictures hosted on a website, but that would obviously mean a lot of work.
Kweassa, if you do want to repost your tutorial, maybe as a new thread, do you still have your original pictures? If you don't have available webspace, I don't mind hosting them for you.... let me know if I can be of help. :)
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Again .... go to
http://www.combathanger.com
and check out Alf's bombing tutorial.
TG12
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Nope, unfortunately, no pics left ;)
As it stands, the link to ALF's is the only good option, untill I make a new bombing material with new pics..
Maybe I'll add the CV bombing tutorial, too.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Maybe I'll add the CV bombing tutorial, too.
That I would like to see.... I wasn't too bad at hitting them before, but not so good now. :)
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Best post I've seen... perhaps more users will start bombing with the good old fashioned Lancaster, B-17 and JU-88, the games got enough fighters and not enough bombers, lets see more carpet bombing!:cool:
p.s. Offline is the perfect place to practice torpedoes
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Bumpin this up so a new guy can find it is all.
Drano
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Just bumping this to the top. It gets a lot of mileage in the TA.
Drano
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Just came hunting for this very thing! I am going to go practice this, thanks!!!
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Originally posted by Kweassa
As it stands, the link to ALF's is the only good option, untill I make a new bombing material with new pics..
It's not a detailed walkthrough of the process that handholds you every step of the way, but I have a step by step process (http://members.cox.net/srmalloy/AH/Bombing1.html) for calibrating the bombsight on my website.
It doesn't address things like opening your bomb bay doors early enough to allow the additional drag to stabilize your speed, or watching your altitude in the bombsight view and using it to tweak your throttle up and down so that you establish a constant altitude (and hence speed); it just covers the procedure to align the bombsight.
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I gave my sqaudies some bombing advice last Christmas..........
I have been fairly successful at high alt bombing in a Lancaster and thought I’d share some tips. These would apply to all heavy bombers.
I load 14 One thousand pound bombs, set my salvo to 7 and delay to .65. This allows me to release on two targets lined up in my drop zone. After take off I choose an unobstructed flight path over friendly territory and set auto climb. I want to get to 20,000 feet + in altitude. My run is usually at 21,000 feet.
After setting auto climb bake cookies.
Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C).
Ingredients
1 cup white sugar
1 egg
1/4 teaspoon salt
3/4 cup shortening
2 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
1 teaspoon ground cloves
1 teaspoon ground ginger
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
Cream sugar, egg, salt and shortening together. Add flour, baking soda and spices. Mix well. Roll teaspoonfuls of dough into balls and roll the balls in sugar.
Bake at 350 degrees F (175 degrees C) for 5 to 6 minutes
Return to the cockpit and make coarse corrections to line up with your intended target, continue auto climb.
Do Christmas shopping.
Return to cockpit and level plane about 20 miles from target. Open bomb doors and set manifold pressure to 11psi. (Lanc). Speed has to be steady during drop. Your speed should be about 165-170 mph. Enter the forward gun position and max zoom to target. When target becomes visible note its heading and return to the cockpit for last minute coarse corrections to line up two hangers or targets as best as possible. Hit f6 and go to the bomb site and start calibrating. First pull up the map and click on your target, minimize the map and put the crosshairs on your target and keep it there for 30 seconds while holding down your calibration key. Close calibration mode and drop bombs when the crosshairs are just ahead of your target. If all goes well you should get some hits.
Now get the hell out of dodge, go eat cookies and wrap gifts.
Season Greetings
MacGlide
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my bombing technique is simple,
exactly 10k over target set salvo and delay to desired count.
posiotion a/c in direct line of target check through bomb sights, i know exactly where to move my sight in cal mode and to release at the moment target comes into sight veiw.
not perfect but i do damage
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First of all outstanding effort! Good to see someone take the effort to teach.
But...check out web site netaces.org (not .com!)
look at level bombing. Nice write up there...maybe pictures?
Bunch of useful stuff there.
Learned to bomb from that a month ago - now # 2 bomber in game! 15.8k works well for me - just below the level of wind on most (all?) maps. Calibration the same in winds, only you have to recal if you change your ange of approach to target in the winds.
Actually looking for AHII help file...saw a link earlier and can't find it now! I know "search for it" lol.
Anyway original post!
AH Addict,
Dog Out
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bumping this up
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Originally posted by MaddogWx
Nice write up there...maybe pictures?
There were some excellent pictures originally! Unfortunately, when HTC decided to no longer accept attachments, they were all removed.
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What a great thread. This should definately be a sticky!
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I totally agree with kweassa about the pin point bomibng.
this was not possible during WW2 as they most of the time carpet bombed and did not just drop 1 salvo of bombs for a particular target..
thanks for the advice
ACE31st
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I just thought i'd post something i made for myself bout a year ago. Im pretty sure it will work in AHII accurately as well. It's a document that tells you what your airspeed should be at certain altitudes and manifolds.
The speeds here are not 100% correct but extremely close. You should expect a few MPH differences for fuel, loadout etc. So i suggest that when you do your line up, you slow it down to the speed/ manifold the document says then allow another 5 miles or so make sure you're maintaining an even airspeed.
Oh, btw it's only for the b17, but i hope you enjoy:)
http://ftp://yuccah:cwjqhn@yuccaah.netfirms.com/www/bomberspeed.doc
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tell me if that works for you guys
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LOL we cant punt anymore.
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Originally posted by Flossy
There were some excellent pictures originally! Unfortunately, when HTC decided to no longer accept attachments, they were all removed.
If you can email the whole thing intact w/pictures I can reformat it and post it on my site for others to reference.
-DoK
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I would add 1 thing gang.
I do my runs at full throttle. I only miss if I screw up my calibration for whatever reason...
At full speed badguys are less likely to climb and catch you you just have to adjust your delay accordingly....not gonna give away specifics..;o) Just make sure to level out far enough in advance to allow you to reach max speed, with doors open of course.
If I miss my target it is usually because I calibrate before I reach full speed and my plane continues to accellerate after calibration.
Can you say......LONG! With 1 Lanc formation you can destroy all hangars at a medium field. I've only been level bombing seriously for a few months and I'm having a ball!
Lancs do the most damage on the ground but other bombers defend themselves MUCH better!
My 2cents.
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Usually do mine at 40 manifold.. I can usually spot and bomb gv's from 10k. Or used to.. haven't tried in ah2