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Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: Curval on July 04, 2002, 06:53:23 AM
Just read in the newspaper this morning that in a village in Pakistan a "court" convicted a young girl of walking with a man who wasn't her father or husband in public.  Her punnishment?  She was gang raped in front of hundreds of villagers for the "insult and shame" she brought her family.

:mad: :mad:

A C130 gunship should be sent to THIS village!!!
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: Gunthr on July 04, 2002, 07:55:04 AM
Bunch of Muslim geniuses over there, aren't they? :rolleyes:

I'm sure her father/husband feel better now that there was "justice" done.

All those fine, young Muslim men stepping forward to help out with her sentence must be viewed  by thier own families as Muslim heros.

This was done in public, presumably in front of women and children. Apparently, it was an officially approved sanction.

 That pretty much tells you everything you need to know about these people.


Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: Curval on July 04, 2002, 08:32:55 AM
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Bunch of Muslim geniuses over there, aren't they? :rolleyes:

I'm sure her father/husband feel better now that there was "justice" done.

All those fine, young Muslim men stepping forward to help out with her sentence must be viewed  by thier own families as Muslim heros.

This was done in public, presumably in front of women and children. Apparently, it was an officially approved sanction.

 That pretty much tells you everything you need to know about these people.


 


Agreed - 100%....made me feel sick when I read it.
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: straffo on July 04, 2002, 08:42:33 AM
There is nothing muslim in this attitude.

It's typical of middle-age mentality it happened in Europe in middle age too ..
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: Gunthr on July 04, 2002, 09:26:46 AM
I know what you mean, Straffo, but I'm starting to question the Muslim beliefs and culture...

There just doesn't seem to be any major outrage in the Muslim community about this type of thing. You don't see Muslims demonstrating in the streets against suicide bombers or backward and ridiculusly cruel punishments like the woman sentenced to a gang rape. Or hands and feet being chopped off for misdemeanors. And the Muslim countries refuse to take an unqualified position against suicide bombing.

Udie posted this link a while ago:

Youth of Islam (http://www.clearguidance.com/)

I go here often to see what is being discussed... maybe they are not representative of Muslims in general, yet as time goes on, I wonder...
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: straffo on July 04, 2002, 09:36:23 AM
I know personally some muslim and jew from Tunisia and there no comparaison possible between a Jew settler in Occuped territory or a palestinian ...
They can live together without any trouble contrary to what happen in Israel ...

they even discuss about Isreal and share a lot of point of view ... but neither are extremist that's probably why they don't shot at each other :)
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: Gunthr on July 04, 2002, 09:53:27 AM
Thats interesting...  But they are immersed in French culture. They drink French wine and eat French food. If you put them back on the sand, they might start fighting ;)
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: straffo on July 04, 2002, 10:01:39 AM
You're right :)

Except that there is wine only when I'm present :D
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: Boroda on July 04, 2002, 10:09:59 AM
Must be an ordinary illiterate journalist's roadkill.

According to Shariat laws the people who rape a not-yet married girl should be sentenced to death. They have all things like that defined as clear as possible, including "what can be considered a sexual act" etc. Shariat is absolutely alien to European morale, and one of the reasons why Chechen war started was that they tried to build a Shariat state, or, in fact, to justify violence and genocide by Shariat. But please remember that there are some civilized countries like Saudi Arabia that have no justice except Shariat.

Cultural differences have to be respected always. For an Eskimo it's OK to offer his wife to a guest. Is it a reason to carpet-bomb them?...
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: straffo on July 04, 2002, 10:20:28 AM
civilized countries like Saudi Arabia

there is something wrong in this sentence ... I can't figure out what ... perhaps an improper use of some words ... ;)
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: Boroda on July 04, 2002, 10:29:46 AM
I mean certain level of technological and economical development. Politicaly Russia is far ahead of Saudi Arabia, but I'll trade our economical conditions with great pleasure ;)
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: straffo on July 04, 2002, 10:43:27 AM
I bet you are a man :p
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: Eagler on July 04, 2002, 10:45:36 AM
crazies, the lot of them - some day they will become civilized ... maybe

reminds me of a geographic special of some tribe who thinks a cig lighter is magic :rolleyes:

but, didn't the girl know what the punishment would be for the "crime" before she did it?
In Saudi Arabia they cut off the hands of thieves. It's the risk they take and I'd guess they don't do it twice...
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: ~Caligula~ on July 04, 2002, 11:26:00 AM
...and we let these people have nukes.
WTF is wrong with us?
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: NUKE on July 04, 2002, 01:57:15 PM
Arab countries have always been open and free. Arab countries have given the world too much to list.

Arab countries produce many scientific and medical goods and inventions, plus the great literature they bestow upon on the world.

Arabs have great traditions that have withstood the sands of time.

Arab countries strive to make the world a better place for all of us, so please dont knock them.

Every person on earth dreams of living in an Arab Nation


Nuke
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: Curval on July 04, 2002, 02:04:58 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE
Every person on earth dreams of living in an Arab Nation
Nuke


No thanks.....I'll stay in Bermuda.:D
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: Boroda on July 04, 2002, 02:05:25 PM
Nice xenophobic manifesto caused by another propaganda roadkill.

Better stop believing everything you read in a newspaper.
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: Curval on July 04, 2002, 02:10:03 PM
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Originally posted by Boroda
Nice xenophobic manifesto caused by another propaganda roadkill.

Better stop believing everything you read in a newspaper.


You mean things like there was no raping done by the Soviet army in Germany?  Did you read that in some Soviet newspaper?

Sorry, couldn't resist
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: Karnak on July 04, 2002, 03:18:46 PM
This was tribal roadkill, not Islamic Sharia law.

Islam very specifically says what punishments are metted out for what crime and it is very specific about the prohibition on sex of all unmarried people.

Most Islamic countries are still quite undeveloped and have lots of tribal groups and traditions still in effect.  When things are done according to these tribal traditions it doesn't make it OK with Islam just because it happens in an Islamic country.

Another example is female circumcision.  No where in the Koran is that mentioned or advocated.  It is completely unheard of in Islamic nations in asia and on the Arabian noodleula.  However, in Africa, where it was part of pre-Islamic tribal customs, it remains and some of those groups try to use Islam as a justification for it.  The most respected and most scholarly court in the Islamic world is in Egypt where tribal customs perpatrate female circumsision.  Egypt made female cicumsision illegal (completely inadequate on eforcing this law though) so the groups that wanted to continue perpatrating this barbarity sued to Egypt's high court to get the law overturned.  The Egyptian high court found that there is absolutely no place in Islam that supports mutilating girls and upheld the law.  Not exactly the result the tribals had wanted.


NUKE,

Yes, many great scholars were Muslim, a long time ago.  If you had been alive in 1000AD you would have wanted to live in a Muslim city like Cordoba or Bagdhad over any other place in the world.  The European renaissance was sparked by the marvoules books and ideas brought back to Europe by the Crusaders.  Books and ideas taken from the Muslims.  Islam was very liberal 1000 years ago, now it is a stagnant morass of conservatism.
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: Pongo on July 04, 2002, 05:57:23 PM
Your account is a bit inaccurate.
the full account is worse.

An 11 year old boy walks beside a girl from a higher caste tribe.
As punishment a tribal jury orders the boys sister gang raped.
By who? Well by the Jurors for one..
What do we expect from a culture that lights wives on fire when they are not happy with them.
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: Hortlund on July 04, 2002, 06:15:38 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE
Arab countries have always been open and free. Arab countries have given the world too much to list.

Arab countries produce many scientific and medical goods and inventions, plus the great literature they bestow upon on the world.

Arabs have great traditions that have withstood the sands of time.

Arab countries strive to make the world a better place for all of us, so please dont knock them.

Every person on earth dreams of living in an Arab Nation


Nuke


LOL!! Brilliant troll. :D Such use of irony and sarcasm...I think we have found a match for Elfenwolf here.
Title: Justice in Pakistan
Post by: Otto on July 05, 2002, 11:29:50 AM
What do we expect from a culture that lights wives on fire when they are not happy with them.

Aaaaah...?  I think that's the Hindus.

 The Muslims do the sexual mulation thing to small girls.