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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Electroman on July 04, 2002, 09:43:12 AM
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HiTech,
I love the new arena terrain -it's fantastic and should not allow quick and easy resets, that's for sure. The canyons add some real nice eye-candy, that's for sure.
But....for GOD SAKES MAN - get rid of the crap with the Bomber Sighting! It SUCKS!!! Most of us who have been avid bombers for a long time on here with the Lanc and the B-17 have enjoyed it immensely and you guys just screwed it up royally! I spend the bulk of my time bombing in these 2 planes specifically and now I don't even want to use them at all! I spend a lot of money each month on you guys and you have taken away the primary thing that I do in this game. I've tried for hours last night in the 17 to get the damned thing working right and although I can get close, I can't bomb a damned thing with this crap - ground speed variance, altitude, drop altitude, base altitude, etc.
Please....get rid of all the technical crap you've just put on the bombers, or at least simplify it so that the targeting is accurate. If not, I'm looking for alternative options to AH because the bulk of this game that i play I can no longer do. It's not worth it anymore to pay that amount for a 1/4 of a game.
Thanks,
Elec1
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look at this thread :New Bombing Method Totally Explained (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57667)
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It was a very good explanation - however as I indicated previously....I like the bombers the way they were. I like the "pinpoint accuracy" that we were able to do. I really don't care at all much for the "ultimate realism" of the bomber. I like a smaller amount of realism with more fun in gameplay.
At this rate, I may as well go back to Fighter Ace or WWII Online...
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you can do that either by dive bombing or Jaboing
If you want a "pinpoint accuracy" you'd better to play F4 ;)
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you can still be just as accurate. you just need some disciplin.
This may be the best thing they have ever done in the game
Get to the alt you want to bomb at.
note the throttle setting..(calibrate at 3/4 throttle and you will have more time over the field)
open your doors. let the plane slow down.
You will have to bomb at this altitude and this speed to be effecitve.
Go to the bomb sight
Go to calibrate mode.
Pick a spot on the ground.. ( I watch for a nice mark target as I fly) As far as I know the alt of the calbrate target is irellivent. Only how closely you match your speed and alt at drop to your speed and alt at calibration
Use the joystick to put the cross hairs on it.
Let the cross hairs settle in for a sec till your steady.
Hold down the mark key for as long as you can.
(5 seconds is easy)
When you release the mark key it will tell you to click on the target on the map to put the target alt in..
.. leave calibrate mode by hiting calibrate key again.
now
If you had a very steady mark..
and if you fly at the speed you where at and the alt you where at during the calibration, and if you are reasobnably steady during your drop, you can still hit very accuratly...
you can definatly take out acks at 10k with 100 pound bombs..I got three in my first pass with 3 bombs...and there are 3 of you dropping...
You can certainly do several passes at a base just like you used too. but you have to do the long bomb runs that are described..cause you have to get back to our alt and speed almost perfectly..
Totaly different bombing game...
this system is a blast...
Thanks HTC.
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1 day and folks are whining about something that should be tough, and now is, and they haven't mastered it yet...
Give it a few weeks. Try to learn it, then give feedback.
eskimo
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I don't know, I used to hate bombers, but with the new carpet bomber style I've been having fun with em. Probably did more bomber sorties yesterday than I had in the previous year.
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I like the new system. It feels much more like I'm actually doing something. Bombing is now a significant skill rather than a minor reflex test to see how accurately you can time a button press.
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Well.. you are entitled to your opinion Electro, and I respect that. If you don't like this new model there is nothing wrong with that.
I admit this is something which has take into account a lot more than before, and it might be frustrating for the people who would want simple fun at bombing stuff.
But to an extent, the joy of simulation games lie in 'recreating' what it was like within boundaries of game play. The reason people continuously demand 'realistic FM'..'realistic damage model'... 'realistic gunnery' and etc is not because they are masochists(well.. maybe I am :D ) but the sheer fun that comes with practicing a diffcult skill and mastering it, using it to achieve your goals. Simulation games differ in this aspect from arcade games(arcade games need skills too, but the skills in arcade games don't necessarily aquaint themselves with 'reality' - whereas simulations take their very identity from 'recreated reality').
So in that perspective, this new change is, like Pongo says, is the best thing that ever happened to bombers IMHO. The more skill it is required, the higher the frustration.. but also higher the reward that comes with accomplishing one's task.
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Thx for using the Germany map Kweassa I bet alot of guys download it now just for the airstarts. That makes me proud as peaches
BTW the version you used for your tut is the old one. The new version has several airstarts for western bases.
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10 bears i spent more time in your germany map practicing buffing then i did online :) Great to have those air starts.
If anyone has been around this board long enough knoes how I felt about the previous buff model. You may have heard me use terms like "No skill fluffers" ruining the fun of the majority of the arena. I was right on then.
Now I give big S! to those dedicated bomber pilots who will take time to learn their job. Its become a "skill". I cant believe any bomber pilot would want it back the way it was.
But never everyone likes the same things. I hate anyone to leave but if you arent willing to put the effort in to learn the game. And if you disatisfied with the complexity involved then nothing any one can say to keeop ya here. Good luck.
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I think the bombing change is great, it puts some skill into something that used to not take any. All that aside, it will only be a short time of adapting before most people can get the hang of bombing pretty much as well as they did before. I think it will only be a temporary handicap.
The addition of the 3 bomber formation and resultant defensive firepower is just as significant. From what I saw the B17 formation now has even more awesome defensive firepower to work with... not a nice thing for people who attack bombers.
An impressive piece of work, HTC!
-Soda
The Assassins.
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Pongo. The Score Data shows no damadge for you. How many Bomber missions have you flown in the New Version using the New Bombsite sys.?
this system is a blast...
Thanks HTC. [/B][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by Oedipus
This isn't "ultra-realism" at all. It is simply an improvement upon the old method which was "no realism." The old way was as simpistic and skilless as anything could be. Even manning an anti-aircraft gun took more skill to get kills in AH. Alternatives? 'Crimson Skies' or "B-17 Gunner: Air War Over Germany" I imagine. You can even use a mouse instead of a joystick! Just "Point, Click, and Kill" As easy as that! Which is as easy as it used to be here.
Thank you HTC for the new improvements. BFWTG!
Thanks,
Oed
The HTC Score data shows that you havent even step your foot in a Buff. Since the version 1.10 online.
Tell us again how to do it? :)
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Nice
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You tell em Mugz !
I was thinking the same thing about a lot of these attaboy comments. :rolleyes:
Kimberly
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Yikes.
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I've been flying AH for a month now (after 1.5 year break).
I though I would take up a Lancaster to dumb a load of 1000 pound bombs over an enemy area.
When I jumped into the bomb view, I was like "WTF? I just put the crosshairs on whatever and the bombs are lazer guided!"
I was going to make a post on the UBB, that Aces High bombing is a joke! I cant believe that such a half assed arcade bomb setup was ever in such a polished and developed sim. Something so critical and intergral to simulating an air war.... (wince!)
Of course, I didnt make the post, because the new setup in 1.10 was already announced.
Electroman..... get used to the new system, cause the old one was L4me d00d. anywaYZe.... there always CS for L88T SN1PERZ.
:p
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Originally posted by Kimberly
You tell em Mugz !
I was thinking the same thing about a lot of these attaboy comments. :rolleyes:
Kimberly
My biggest gripe is that HiTech didn't add the button that causes all buffs within d5.0 to burst into flames. I asked -- nicely even!
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Its just that 1 out of the 5 Guys that have all the Answers on how the New Sight Sys. is Not so bad. And post messages that imply that they arent having much trouble with it.............ARE TELLING HALF TRUTHS! I Checked the Scores of 5 of the "Know It Alls" .....and "KWEASSA" is the Only one who has any Sorties recorded on AH Pilot Stats. Therefore he is the only one who has a right to Give advise on the matter. WTG KWEASSA. The rest of yous all SHUT UP! :) Till you can show HArd facts that you know what the heck yous are talking about. ROFL. :)
MugZ...OUT
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Originally posted by MugZ
Its just that 1 out of the 5 Guys that have all the Answers on how the New Sight Sys. is Not so bad. And post messages that imply that they arent having much trouble with it.............ARE TELLING HALF TRUTHS! I Checked the Scores of 5 of the "Know It Alls" .....and "KWEASSA" is the Only one who has any Sorties recorded on AH Pilot Stats. Therefore he is the only one who has a right to Give advise on the matter. WTG KWEASSA. The rest of yous all SHUT UP! :) Till you can show HArd facts that you know what the heck yous are talking about. ROFL. :)
MugZ...OUT
Hehehee hahaaaa hohohooo
Do you know what "Offline" or "h2h" means? Maybe some day you figur it out if you raelly really hard try... :rolleyes:
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This bomber change was one of the best things to happen to AH. No more arcade, lazer guided buff crap.
WTG HTC!
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YEAH! You'll need about 10 guys in bomber to close a field and yea maybe the are some of you guys that are have luck in hit the bases well.
I played with this calibrate thingy for 6 hours last night and on one pass i manage to get 3 bombs on the field it didn't hit a specific target though. I had a bomb load of 24 100lb bombs on mutiply that by 3 and its 72 bombs and only 3 made to the field didn't hit anything.
Sometimes it would calibrate correctly and i would drop bombs early because think like last time i let them out to late and they went passed the base. Then i would wait to let them out and they would hit way before it got to the base.
OH man just nerve racking.
Well it would be nice to see 10 guys in a good buff formation.
Except i wouldnt even get close to them if i was in a fighter.
I guess last night the lag was bad and I was getting hit by buffs from 1.9 out and some of the buffs where stills shooting and me from 2.5 out. One of the guys said that he never shot over 1.5 out. So i dove in and got my a&& handed to me before i even got close enough to get a shoot off. YEA I've heard it all you just didnt do a good job of attacking. :P**** is what i got to say to that. I didnt sit on his six and try to shoot him that way. Come to think of it maybe i should have.
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Originally posted by MugZ
Its just that 1 out of the 5 Guys that have all the Answers on how the New Sight Sys. is Not so bad. And post messages that imply that they arent having much trouble with it.............ARE TELLING HALF TRUTHS! I Checked the Scores of 5 of the "Know It Alls" .....and "KWEASSA" is the Only one who has any Sorties recorded on AH Pilot Stats. Therefore he is the only one who has a right to Give advise on the matter. WTG KWEASSA. The rest of yous all SHUT UP! :) Till you can show HArd facts that you know what the heck yous are talking about. ROFL. :)
MugZ...OUT
Your conclusions are terribly flawed Mugz.
A few points worth noting:
1) One does not need to be online to become VERY well versed in the new bombsights. Nay, one SHOULD NOT be online learning this new trade. Offline play is much better suited for that. Your stat checks, in the end, reveal nothing of substance.
2) Time spent with the new sight/targeting format is not a prerequisite for concluding that a more challenging format is better (or worse, depending upon your side of the argument) for buff driving specifically.
3) Nor do I need to have any experience with a buff to draw equally valid conclusions on why, or why not, a more involved bombing process is good or bad for gameplay generally. Without that experience indeed I cannot say "I find it harder or easier." But I can easily make the statement that "I find it a good or bad addition for gameplay overall" and that would be just as valid a statement as if it came from someone who only flew buffs.
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ohh stop your sweetying.......the new system is fine.....i plasterd a field today with no problem.....bomb hit right on the targets......and with formation a little inaccuracy is ok.....just you may need to take MORE time(yes i know its a hard concept)to set up your run
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Originally posted by MugZ
Its just that 1 out of the 5 Guys that have all the Answers on how the New Sight Sys. is Not so bad. And post messages that imply that they arent having much trouble with it.............ARE TELLING HALF TRUTHS! I Checked the Scores of 5 of the "Know It Alls" .....and "KWEASSA" is the Only one who has any Sorties recorded on AH Pilot Stats. Therefore he is the only one who has a right to Give advise on the matter. WTG KWEASSA. The rest of yous all SHUT UP! :) Till you can show HArd facts that you know what the heck yous are talking about. ROFL. :)
MugZ...OUT
lol
your right. I spent my boming time in the MA trying to level bomb a fleet cause I had found level bombing a field as easy as ever.
First time I hard crashed just as the carrier passed under my sight. Second time someone was doing some awsome evasives that forced me to miss...
but ill put up some numbers for ya bud..
Some of us practiced off line...what a weird concept eh....
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Originally posted by Xjazz
Hehehee hahaaaa hohohooo
Do you know what "Offline" or "h2h" means? Maybe some day you figur it out if you raelly really hard try... :rolleyes:
So do it online for all to see. Yada yada yada :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Pongo
lol
your right. I spent my boming time in the MA trying to level bomb a fleet cause I had found level bombing a field as easy as ever.
First time I hard crashed just as the carrier passed under my sight. Second time someone was doing some awsome evasives that forced me to miss...
but ill put up some numbers for ya bud..
Some of us practiced off line...what a weird concept eh....
You have no bomber rides in the Main either. Please show me that you know a thing or 2 about the new Nordan Sight. Score some meaningfull hits in the MA. :)
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Originally posted by Vortex
Your conclusions are terribly flawed Mugz.
A few points worth noting:
1) One does not need to be online to become VERY well versed in the new bombsights. Nay, one SHOULD NOT be online learning this new trade. Offline play is much better suited for that. Your stat checks, in the end, reveal nothing of substance.
2) Time spent with the new sight/targeting format is not a prerequisite for concluding that a more challenging format is better (or worse, depending upon your side of the argument) for buff driving specifically.
3) Nor do I need to have any experience with a buff to draw equally valid conclusions on why, or why not, a more involved bombing process is good or bad for gameplay generally. Without that experience indeed I cannot say "I find it harder or easier." But I can easily make the statement that "I find it a good or bad addition for gameplay overall" and that would be just as valid a statement as if it came from someone who only flew buffs.
Your stat checks, in the end, reveal nothing of substance.
My Stat checks substantially prove that many people like to make claims that none of us can be sure are valid. Maybe they are and mabey they arent. But who knows? If any are making false claims they know who they are. :)
Nor do I need to have any experience with a buff to draw equally valid conclusions on why, or why not, a more involved bombing process is good or bad for gameplay generally. Without that experience indeed I cannot say "I find it harder or easier." But I can easily make the statement that "I find it a good or bad addition for gameplay overall" and that would be just as valid a statement as if it came from someone who only flew buffs. Well Said
Its not a matter of understanding how the Calibration works. A three year old can understand the Calibration proceedure. Its a matter of how consistant the calabration is in a controlled invironment. I Have made 30 or so Offline flights. No WIND, Same Launch base, Same Target , A town. Same Alt. 12,000 ft., Same Speed 170 Mph , Salvo set to 20x100lbs. and delay at several different settings. With a sucess rate of about 20% ROFLOL. I Suck. MugZ...OUT
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Well, I messed about with it offline first.
Last night I took a B-17 formation out online. Nailed my target with 36 500lb bombs.
So I decided to try the Ki-67. Took off, shot a Spit down while enroute and then CTD'd just before the target was under my sight.:(
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I still like it. Even moreso with mugz this upset.
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Karnak, did you CTD just after you went to Calibration mode? If so, I had it happen to me 3 sorties in a row today, and I posted it in the bug section. If you had the same problem you might wanna post it.
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Ive never tried the old version or the new version for level bombing. I DO know that I suck at dive bombing. Im strafer :)
With that said I dont wanna hear no more whinin from old buff pilots who think that actually having skill at something is a detractor.
Learn to fly with the new system, toejam, you get 3 buffs instead of 1. What the hell are you complaining about?!
Practice for cryin out loud, so what if you cant figgure it out in the first day, the system is not impossible it just requires sKiLZ
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Verm,
Yes, it was after entering the calibration mode. It was the 2nd time I'd entered calibration mode on that flight and it was the second bomber mission I'd flown on that instance of AH.
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I have practiced for hours offline and done several runs in MA(all in B17's)...I can't hit a thing,I'm always long by five hanger lengths.
I line up target approximately so only minor steering is required,I establish a constant airspeed(tried 200mph and 160) with the bay doors open.
Then I go to calibration mode and zoom all the way in and pick a spot of terrain and I hold the "V" key(i have it set to c=calibrate,v=mark spot) for 2-5 seconds.
Then I bring up the map and click on the target and it's alt is then displayed.
Then when I drop 1 egg(x3 with formation) it is always a good deal long.If I had salvoed them all,the last bombs would be even further off.
What am I doing wrong?All that Kweassa shown in his well detailed thread is not hard to do.The only way I can see for error if you don't deviate heading is in the calibration.I'll drop from 10k(just outta ack range) and zoom all the way in during calibration on a rock and hold it dead on for 4 seconds.
So what am I doing wrong?..I need to knows...:eek:
PS...An airspeed readout would be usefull when in the bombsite,though I dont remember from B17II if that's realistic.
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Is it possible to film a buff run for educational purposes?I would love to view someone who's got the new system down in slow motion...
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Your airspeed is probably not stable, and if your alt and drop alt are more than 2-3 feet apart, you're not going to hit anything.
What i usually do is, line up on the target about 25-50miles out, go to full throttle(no worry about bumping the throttle) and open bay doors. In the pizza map, there is a 30mph wind out of the west, so bombing w to e, or e to w is much simpler if you're over 14000feet, if you're under 14000 feet, you dont need to worry about wind. Wait untill your speed COMPLETELY levels out, a small change will completly throw off the bombing.
Once your target comes in at the edge of your sight, Calibrate on a spot just below and ahead of your plane(Do NOT start the point off to the side, or it will throw the aim off). Hold the mark for as long as possible, 10-20 seconds. The longer the distance, the less a small error will affect it.
At this point, your target should be close to your vertical line in the bombsight, when turning at this point, do NOT turn except in the bombsight, or your altitide and speed will get screwed up. If your speed and alt is stable, and you did a good calibration, you should be able to pick off individual hangars, with minimal bombs.
The key is to, calibrate at the last second, and over a period of 10seconds+, after having flown straight in level flight for long enough for your speed to completely even out. A proper lineup and calibration will give you almost laser guided accuracy, but even a small error will put the bombs a hundred yards or more off.
One tip:
Offline, turn on the divebomb sight. From f6, you will see the cross, exactly where the old precision bombsight would have been. You can compare the location of that sight, to your calibrated sight to see how your calibration came out, without having to drop any bombs.
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Now buff pilots actually require some skill...
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ok i HAVE TRIED AND TRIED AND TRIED WITH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE HAS TOLD ME TO DO. I still cant hit CHIT!!!!!!What the hell am I doing wrong. I have flown offline online in h2h trainingarena everywhere different maps. I have done everytihing over and over and over.Still no hits.WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING WRONG.
I like the new challenge BUT DAMN This is getting rediculis!!!!
Yes I agree PUT AND AIRSPEED INDICATOR in bombsite if Its going to be that critical and that precise to achieve a successful bombing run.:eek: :eek: :eek: :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad: :mad:
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Originally posted by DRGON
ok i HAVE TRIED AND TRIED AND TRIED WITH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE HAS TOLD ME TO DO. I still cant hit CHIT!!!!!!What the hell am I doing wrong. I have flown offline online in h2h trainingarena everywhere different maps. I have done everytihing over and over and over.Still no hits.WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING WRONG.
I like the new challenge BUT DAMN This is getting rediculis!!!!
Yes I agree PUT AND AIRSPEED INDICATOR in bombsite if Its going to be that critical and that precise to achieve a successful bombing run.:eek: :eek: :eek: :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad: :mad:
Dont feel bad bro . So have i. Only to have someone tell me to drop from exact Alt. Exact speed and yada yada yada la la la and so on.
Anyone can see there is Target alt. Drop Alt. ect. readout form the bomber posistion its only natural to use it as a tool. I always Calibrate from closer range to prevent changes in speed and alt at time of calibration versus time of actuall drop. And Before i drop, i make certian that target Alt. and Drop alt. are exact. Not even 1 Foot difference!
Also Speed, I cut throttle to 35 psi. 25 miles from target. I zoom on Speedometer and git a Good read on curent speed, write it down on a peice of paper just before i go to bombsite. Next i go to bombadeir posistion and calibrate Scope. I make a note of Target Alt and Drop Alt, and write it down on a peice of paper. Then, just a few seconds before droping the bombs. I go to Cockpit Chek speed to make sure that it is exactly the same as when i calibrated the scope for speed. If it is i go back to scope and drop. ~!#@$#%$^^% Nothing!!!! ROFLOL.
All testing has been OFFLINE in a controlled environment. No Wind, same Target, same Alt. same Aproach, and same takeoff base.
I seem to be consistantly droping 1 town width Short of target. So you ask, Why dont you drop 1 town width past the town? I have and its working. However Why should i have to? The Frikin Thing isn't working right!! The only thing that i have been wondering about. Would a Slightly miscalibrated JoyStik cause this effect? Keeping in mind that the JoyStik isnt showing a unstable property in the JoyStik calibration mode in Setup. For now my conclusion is this. Try to get consistant on your drops. Wether your drops are long or short. As long as they are consistant. Then just drop early or late acordingly. This new bomber sys. is still screwed. Even though i will figure a way around it. :D
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Okay I Have checked Calibration on Stick and recalibrated it just in case. I have done the pick spot slow speed hold on spot for 2-5secs. I even stayed in bombsight manuvered with aileron had everything set(at least I thought):mad: Lined up on target Crosshairs hit target and drop......................wai ting waiting waiting...................... .......hear explosions NO DAMN CONFIRMATION. Hit f3 look down all bombs missed target by like a mile THIS watermelon SUCKS!!!!!!!BUt I am very persistant I will not give up that easy. I am going to give it a month. If I dont get it FEK it I am done. I fly mostly bombers and hvy BnZers P-47 51 things like that But I really like my bombing runs. PLEASE HT DO SOMETHING TO FIX THIS PROBLEM. I love all the Updates U have made so far EXCEPT THIS!!!! I will continue to try for another month after that :confused: who knows.
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Wasn't hard to learn IMO, I made succeeded in hitting where I aimed on my first drop and every other drop after that. The secret is not to maneuver AT ALL wehn in bomb sight, if not aligned to something on a field make a new pass. Also, never fly on full throttle when you bomb, accelerate as much as you can before the target then cut the throttle some, will slow down and maintain a speed pretty fast.
Make sure you keep the cross hair steady when you measure speed.
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i would have prefered the bomb sight thats in b-17 2
Taken straight out the E-manual:
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• Enter “Search Mode” by using SHIFT + K (A light will come on).
• Use your joystick to locate the target, place the crosshair over the
target and then hit SHIFT + K to ‘lock’ the target.
• The Sight starts in DRIFT Correction mode. Moving the joystick left
adjusts the angle of Drift to the left – the target will begin to drift
more to the right of the sight picture. Moving the joystick right will
alter the angle of Drift to the right – the target will begin to drift
more to the left of the sight picture.
• Press key N to enter RATE Correction mode. Moving the joystick up
makes the rate track more slowly, so the target will move towards
the bottom of the sight picture. Moving the joystick down will make
the rate track more quickly, hence the target will appear to move
back up towards the top of the sight picture. The objective is to
freeze any vertical movement of the target.
• You should adjust DRIFT and RATE until the sight picture shows no
movement at all. This is called SYNCHRONISATION, and means the
bombsight is correctly allowing for speed, altitude and wind drift.
• During your alterations, the target may have slipped out from the
crosshairs. If you have time, you can enter SEARCH mode, using
the SHIFT + K key combination, and place the target directly under
the crosshair again. Provided that you have correctly
SYNCHRONISED the sight, as described above, the crosshair will
remain where you left it.
• Watch the two markers close towards each other. When they meet,
the bombs will be dropped automatically by the bombsight,
thus ensuring a drop accurate to the millisecond.
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It may sound easy (it is compared to the AH one, lol), but in fact its not
First time I tried bombing I ended up bombing some farmers sheep, lol
it would have been nice if we could have this system, but i guess we'll have to do with this one
btw, the longest process on there is measuring the speed, the thing that our process takes 2 seconds
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Bendover the 2 secs is just a minimum. You will get much better calibrations with longer messures.
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ah right
btw, you been taking spelling lessons?:p
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Originally posted by hitech
Bendover the 2 secs is just a minimum. You will get much better calibrations with longer messures.
HiTech....... You are reading this thread. My Bomber formation has been killed many many times by a single fighter. Most of the time they kill 2 b17's on their first pass and the remaining bomber on the second pass. There are mounting complaints in the MA. That say the B17 Formation must be much softer than the single B17 was in the previous version of AH. Were there any changes to B17 hardness to compensate for the advantage of having 3 bombers in a single players control? If So, Why? A Plane is as tough as a plane is. Or it isnt. Also could a poor frame rate or a frame rate that fluctuates, give false info to Speed Calibration in the bomber scope? Perhapes this is some of our problems with acuracy in an OFFLINE controled environment. Where i have made 50 plus bomber runs with a success rate of maybe 2% LOL.
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HT, I have been working at this since the update. And I have tried just about everything in the book to get it right. Longer measures dropping throttle,remeasuring,Everything and still havent been able to hit CHIT.got lucky once hit a gunemplcement at VH when I was aiming for a Fighter hanger.
Also listen to main arena one day see how many complaints there are about new map and bomb sites. Getting alot of low FR and Lag due to large map.Like the desert terrain but Its just way to big to many bases.There was nothing wrong with the 23 bases per side hell even 30 bases would be good But 100+ perside is alittle ridiculis. Consider it alot of talk of leaving going on because of new system.alot from my squad of 30+
Anyway alot of the talk was about messing with a paying mans game we pay for it it would have been nice to ask us about it before it was done.
That is all for now.
P.S please consider an alternative to current bombing setup. Formations are ok but bombing sight needs work.
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"Thx for using the Germany map Kweassa I bet alot of guys download it now just for the airstarts."
OK..... So how do I select airstarts offline? I really need to practice with this new setup.
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If you are using the Germany map that 10bears created, pick a base in the west side....48 I think was one of them, but I am not sure. If you select the 'H' as your start, instead of starting in the hangar, you start at 30k in the NW corner of map near the compass symbol. Pull your gear in immediately and start your engines. By the time you get started and level, you should be at around 25k headed SE. :)
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Sling, thanks a lot :)
I checked all the fields and it looks like the airstart is at A29
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Originally posted by MugZ
So do it online for all to see. Yada yada yada :rolleyes:
Blaa Blaa
First practise, then try it and then judge it...
:rolleyes:
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wotan said..... "If anyone has been around this board long enough knoes how I felt about the previous buff model. You may have heard me use terms like "No skill fluffers" ruining the fun of the majority of the arena. I was right on then. "
shame on you wotan... i can't imagine how you could have come up with such a cruel and insensitve a statement.
I believe that gameplay has gotten better with the "building battlers" out of the equation and the fluffs unable to sink cv's.... heck... they might not even be fluffs any more.
lazs
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Give the guys the easy mode switch, or just let them practice. It has been already what - 5 days.
:)
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i think the bomber enhancements are the best gameplay modification to ah yet. now it sure takes some skill to hit stuff.
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Originally posted by MugZ
You have no bomber rides in the Main either. Please show me that you know a thing or 2 about the new Nordan Sight. Score some meaningfull hits in the MA. :)
there you go.
I did one bomber mission in the MA that I was trying to bomb fixed targets at. All other sorties are aborted goon runs or trying to level bomb a cv..(very challenging) I was interecepted over the first target by a hog d and killed him and hit the base.
I destroyed the towns at 2 bases, 4 hangers. lots of acks and a fuel and an anti aircraft factory. All these targets were at different altitudes. They where spread over 4 sectors of real estate. All where hit with single drops of 1k bombs from 3 lancs.
Not that I have a thing to prove to you but there you go. This system is easier and more accurate than many people are saying. A lancaster sorti is far more dangerous then it was.
I would have got more hangers but the calibrator dous not let you pick an alt for a second target..when you recalibrate your stuck at the first targets alt.
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Originally posted by MugZ
HiTech....... You are reading this thread. My Bomber formation has been killed many many times by a single fighter. Most of the time they kill 2 b17's on their first pass and the remaining bomber on the second pass. There are mounting complaints in the MA. That say the B17 Formation must be much softer than the single B17 was in the previous version of AH. Were there any changes to B17 hardness to compensate for the advantage of having 3 bombers in a single players control? If So, Why? A Plane is as tough as a plane is. Or it isnt. Also could a poor frame rate or a frame rate that fluctuates, give false info to Speed Calibration in the bomber scope? Perhapes this is some of our problems with acuracy in an OFFLINE controled environment. Where i have made 50 plus bomber runs with a success rate of maybe 2% LOL.
afaik htc never 'compensates' for anything
b17s are all supposed to be same amount of damage. you're prolly taking alot more 30mm, those seem to be more widely used now.
and btw my 1st impression of you by your posts above (checking stats and such) is that you must be about 10 years old. It's just really petty and you come off as a complete amazinhunk.
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For guys who consistantly drop long...
I have a similar problem, but I'm pretty sure that it's joystick related. I have a VERY hard time keeping the crosshairs painted on my calibration point. This tulips me up almost every time. I don't mean to sound like a love muffin, or imply that you are dweebs, fools, morons ect (since any such reference would implicate myself) but are you able to keep the crosshairs on the calibration point for the full 2-20 seconds or whatever you are aiming for?
My drops have all been comical to say the least, but I'm pretty sure that I've ironed out my problem. We'll see tonight when I take a few more test runs. Oh, and yes, this is all done off line. So maybe it doesn't count. :)
-Sikboy
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Its not a matter of understanding how the Calibration works. A three year old can understand the Calibration proceedure. Its a matter of how consistant the calabration is in a controlled invironment. I Have made 30 or so Offline flights. No WIND, Same Launch base, Same Target , A town. Same Alt. 12,000 ft., Same Speed 170 Mph , Salvo set to 20x100lbs. and delay at several different settings. With a sucess rate of about 20% ROFLOL. I Suck.
It's not that bad, Mugz. Working with the bombsight, I've been able to get a success rate of about 80%. Offline. When I'm online, I've been pretty sucky, too; I'm finally getting the hang of getting the sight calibrated with one hand while I try to swat fighters with the other, but I'm only up to about 20% accuracy at the moment.
I'm really getting tired of the way the drone buffs play 'Flying Circus' when the lead bomber loses a major piece of airframe, though -- from what I remember of actual procedure during WWII, once you were lined up for drop, you didn't break your straight-and-level for anything, but when I bail out of the lead plane after losing a wing, I invariably find the drones 80 degrees nose-down happily following the tumbling lead plane as it falls out of the sky. By the time I recover into level flight, the drop's blown to hell and all I can do is try to gun the damn fighter off my back before he waxes the rest of my formation -- I've given up hope of ever being able to extend enough to make another pass on my target.
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Electroman, HTC luckily doesn't pay much attention to someone with 3 posts.
Get some skill, deal with it, become proficient, train hard, reward will be yours.
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When I first read about the new system I was excited.
When I first tired it; I was a failure. I just couldn't make it work :(
Then, like a lot of other people, I looked for all the information available from people who COULD make it work (thanks Kweassa) and I went out and practiced.
Now I can do this:
(don't be confued buy the data in the top left. I have 'jumped' back to calibration mode for my BDA)
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You guys might wan't to read the new Q&A forum where we say there is a bug in patch 1 where the sight caculates bomb drag, but we forgot to put the drag on the bombs.
i.e. both the green and norden sights are off at the moment. and will tend to drop long.
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Lol! So I have been doing it right after all!
Does this mean that the guys who are hitting their targets now are doing it wrong?
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LOL
whats with that..my bombs hit fine...
Make sure you give the abliltiy to reset the alt with successive calibrations please HT...
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Originally posted by hitech
You guys might wan't to read the new Q&A forum where we say there is a bug in patch 1 where the sight caculates bomb drag, but we forgot to put the drag on the bombs.
i.e. both the green and norden sights are off at the moment. and will tend to drop long.
Translation.....
whoopsee-spaghettioos :p
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I forgot to add. If you practice a lot, you learn to drop 'early' with the current setup;)
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Originally posted by Electroman
... I really don't care at all much for the "ultimate realism" of the bomber. I like a smaller amount of realism with more fun in gameplay...
So are you saying that you think it would be better if you (1 person) had a blast while 10 people were POed becuase they had no more fighter hangers?
I like the new bombing system becuase it takes more skill and when you do knock out a FH you get a sense of pride becuase you accomplished something difficult while the laser-guided bombing system was just way too easy
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Originally posted by Dux
Does this mean that the guys who are hitting their targets now are doing it wrong?
Yes! :D
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Any new addition to AH that gets Mugz's knickers in such a big twisty knot is fine by me.
(anyone know where I can buy a gun?)
They're coming to take me away haha
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I knew it..Lol!
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The single biggest key I've found is always dropping from below the wind shear layer at 14K. At 14K the wind affects the plane unless you are direct E-W or W-E. Above 14K the wind will affect the trajectory of your bombs big time. There's no way to calibrate the wind direction and speed that I'm aware of, it appears you just have to guess.
Our squad is a buff squad, but most of us are coming to the conclusion that high altitude strategic bombing is just not possible anymore, at least not on a high enough % basis to be worth the time and effort to to do it. We're experimenting with dive bombing B-26's. Now there's REALITY !
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lets start a petition to increase blast radius!
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MOSQ... the wind seems to affect bombs even if dropped below the wind layer...
wind at 14k.. so a drop at 13.3k should not be affected... but they are...
SKurj
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Originally posted by moose
afaik htc never 'compensates' for anything
b17s are all supposed to be same amount of damage. you're prolly taking alot more 30mm, those seem to be more widely used now.
and btw my 1st impression of you by your posts above (checking stats and such) is that you must be about 10 years old. It's just really petty and you come off as a complete amazinhunk.
afaik
Hmmm what does afaik mean? I have a feeling it isnt good. :(
The question about Hitech compensating was a serious one. And i could see how it would be logical where as game play might be concerned. Even if i might not agree with it. Unless HTC added 30MM to A P51 or a spitfire, then 30MM has nothing to do with what im talking about. Oh and thanks for your final remarks. Especialy the last word, very adult like. Im sure your a great guy even though "moose" doesnt seem like one to me at this time. But Millions of Miles of wire, Fiber Optics, and PC screens can have that effect. Sorry about that.
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Skurj,
You're right, the wind is not pencil thin. I have found if you stay around 11K, the wind seems to have very little effect.
Of course if your buff is at 11K, and the target at 7K, the drop is only 4K !
But you rarely get to drop because the enemy fighters only have to climb 4K , which most can do in about one minute.
The new map with bases (targets) at 7-8 K, plus wind at 14K, and the new bombsight have "conspired" to end normal strategic buffing for me and turn me into a JABO. I still try to up a 3 Lanc formation when I think I can get to a base and release, but then people accuse you of "milkrunning" an undefended base.
It will be interesting to see how many people are still flying the heavy bombers in another month when the newness of the changes wears off.
I'd bet not a whole lot. It's too bad that an attempt to increase the numbers of buffs in large strategic bombing formations may actually result in just the opposite, very few bombers at all. I guess we'll have to see.
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i bet most of them will be doing buff dive bomb missions
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Originally posted by moose
afaik htc never 'compensates' for anything
b17s are all supposed to be same amount of damage. you're prolly taking alot more 30mm, those seem to be more widely used now.
and btw my 1st impression of you by your posts above (checking stats and such) is that you must be about 10 years old. It's just really petty and you come off as a complete amazinhunk.
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I am new to posting here so please ignore everything I say until I have had enough free time to post about a 1,000 pointless messages and then I will magically have a level of intelligence that will make anything I say worthwhile.
1st: I notice that Moose signs the note ACes High CM... I sincerely hope this does not mean that you are an official representative of Hitech.. that would indeed be disappointing to learn that they allow their customers to be called names by their employees.
2nd: There are enough people here with legitimate concerns, who have tried (offline, online and may even have crossed over the line) to get this calibration stuff working without much success to indicate that there is a potential that it is not just the fact that we are complete idiots
3rd: While I do not question your ability to regonize that which you most clearly see in a mirror each day, in this case you are sadly mistaken. Mugz is a very knowledgable and a skilled technition who researches (way too much for me) every aspect of that which he speaks. Perhaps his good natured ribbing went over your head... Mugz don't need me to defend him.. but after reading about 100 post on this subject, I finally came across one that annoyed me enough to respond... however, I forgive you
4th: By numbering my points, I am hoping this will count as 4 posts so that I will be just that much closer to growing up just like you
tgnr: Aces High Dweeb
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Well said.... I think :D
Maddog Joe
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