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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Timebomb_Man on July 06, 2002, 04:17:39 AM
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Why is hitech giving us P40s and planes that are inferior to non-perk planes we already have ,, nobody will use a p40 when they can use a p51 i petition that they add intresting planes instead of old planes of the new models we can already use ... take this plane for explample the Ikarus IK-3 yugoslavia plane .. reply to this message if you agree with me
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Rogozarsky IK-3 would be nice early war plane addition, why we cant have more early war €uro planes... ?
Max speed 527 km/h (328 mph; 284 kt) at 5400 meters (17,715 ft)
421 km/h (262 mph; 227 kt) at sea level
Cruising 400 km/h (248.5 mph; 216 kt) at 5000 meters (16,405 ft)
Range 785 km (488 miles; 424 nm); endurance 1 hours 15 minutes
Ceiling 9460 meters (30,800 ft)
Climb 5000 meters (16,405 ft) in 7 minutes
armament
one Hizpano 404 cannon firing trough prop hub (60 rounds)
two 7.92mm (0.312in) FN MGs (??? rounds)
...the first IK-3 were delivered in summer of 1940 to the experimental unit, the 52nd Fighter Squadron, whose pilots preferred the indigenous design to both Bf-109 E-3 and the Hurricane I. The IK-3 was appreciably more maneuverable then the German fighter and could turn inside the Hurricane with ease. Its controls were exceptionally well co-ordinate and maintenance proved simple despite the fighter’s experimental status, a factor of extreme importance in view of the poor equipment of most Yugoslav service airfields.
Dogfights over Belgrade - The First Day (http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/belgra/belgra.htm)
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Originally posted by Timebomb_Man
Why is hitech giving us P40s and planes that are inferior to non-perk planes we already have ,,
because many of us asked them to. And the plane that you suggest seems pretty inferior also :confused:
nobody will use a p40 when they can use a p51
I will, because getting a kill in a p-40 is much more gratifying (to some of us anyhow)
i petition that they add intresting planes instead of old planes of the new models we can already use
And let me guess... you get to choose what is interesting? No thank you. "old planes of the new models we can already use"? The P-40 and P-51 are not the same plane. The F4F is not the "same" as the F6F.
... take this plane for explample the Ikarus IK-3 yugoslavia plane ..
That looks pretty cool. I'd love to see it modeled (althouth it wouldn't be my first choice). But why fly that when you can fly a zeke?
reply to this message if you agree with me
Does this mean that I wasn't supposed to reply since I don't agree?
And Zhivago, 1.09 was almost all early war Eto. I imagine more will come sooner or later, but it's not as if early war ETO is forsaken.
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People will use a P-40 when they want to fly a plane that can out turn a P-51 and out dive a Zero
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Ill give u some reason
and so much more beautiful :D
- bombbay
- tail gunner
- twin boom 2 engined
- 8 guns in the nose
A challenge to model this one
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WE NEED MORE CRAP PLANES!!!!!!
Check this site out
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/Forum35/HTML/007540-4.html
Check out this Yugoslavian beauty
(http://www.yumodel.co.yu/history_of_yugoslav_aviation/slike/313.jpg)
And for you Helicopter fans, THE ROTORBUGGY!
(http://users.chariot.net.au/~theburfs/unrealimg/hafner2.jpg)
And why have 1 wing when you can have 9!!!!!!!
(http://www.metalprocessing.net/ac/ww1/Cap-Ca-60.jpg)
And everyones favorite french bomber, THE AMOIT 143!!
(http://www.metalprocessing.net/ac/1/Amiot_143.jpg)
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lol Soviet, but you forgot to add maxipad w/ wings
LOL
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this thread wasnt intended to "force anybodys ideas on another" its great you have an opinion but i didnt make this post to have mine thrashed. and frankly your not going to change my opinion id rather have old warplanes that we dont have then old warplanes of newer models ... and its obvious the p40 isnt the same plane as the p51 but in all respect. a simulated real combat mission would require bombers and high flying alt planes. something the p51 is more fitted for. i thought that was what AH was combat simulator... try working with your team and get the hell out of your p40. but then again this is my opinion and if you dont like it .. dont spam my thread with downing other peoples opinion.. post your opinion instead ... like others haev done .. like i like the p40 because it does this to the zero etc. its a valid opinion that i respect and anyway ive lost track where im going ..
anyway ... IF AH IS GOING TO PUT OLD PLANES IN THE GAME AT LEAST DO COUNTRIES WE DONT ALREADY HAVE american british and german ... nothing wrong with a yugoslav plane or a french plane or something geez besides if they are going to make a scenario they should have the plane sets all ready instead of integrating them before hand just so they can do it im tired of typeing later
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i meant the 51 compared to the p40 ... im not saying the p51 is the best plane or anything infact i fly a fw190 because most people dont fly german planes besides the 109... makes it intresting for me ..
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Originally posted by Timebomb_Man
this thread wasnt intended to "force anybodys ideas on another" its great you have an opinion but i didnt make this post to have mine thrashed.
Then don't open up by calling this post "Petitioin for Reason" because the implication is that what is happeneing now is unreasonable. Your article goes on to say that the planes being added are "uninteresting" and questioning why HTC put these planes in here. It's great that you have an opinion, but don't express it by thrashing mine :rolleyes:
and frankly your not going to change my opinion id rather have old warplanes that we dont have then old warplanes of newer models ... and its obvious the p40 isnt the same plane as the p51 but in all respect. a simulated real combat mission would require bombers and high flying alt planes. something the p51 is more fitted for.
You should probably learn the game before you get all lippy on the boards. By this standard, we should only fly three or four planes, the B-17 the Lanc the pony and maybe the jug. Since a "simulated real combat mission" requires high alt bombers with hight alt escorts. I guess we should throw in the 109G10 and the 190 A8 so that there are some planes to shoot down those bombers. :rolleyes:
No, there are many different types of missions, and not all of them take place at 20,000 feet. Try the tank battles on furball island for example.
i thought that was what AH was combat simulator... try working with your team and get the hell out of your p40.
So now I'm not a team player because I and my squad don't turn lazy circles around a bunch of buffs at 20,000 feet for hours on end? :rolleyes: What kind of teamater are you in your slow moving Yugo plane? Really. This silly thinking might be an attemt to undermine my position, but it does nothing to support yours.
but then again this is my opinion and if you dont like it .. dont spam my thread with downing other peoples opinion.. post your opinion instead ... like others haev done .. like i like the p40 because it does this to the zero etc.
I did give my opinion. You asked "why fly a P-40 when you can fly a p51"? I said "It's more gratifying" You asked "why is HTC giving us P-40s?" and I said "Because some of us asked for them. Just because you don't like my opinion doesn't make it go away.
its a valid opinion that i respect
worrying about whether or not you respect my opinion; it keeps me up at night.
anyway ... IF AH IS GOING TO PUT OLD PLANES IN THE GAME AT LEAST DO COUNTRIES WE DONT ALREADY HAVE american british and german ... nothing wrong with a yugoslav plane or a french plane or something geez besides if they are going to make a scenario they should have the plane sets all ready instead of integrating them before hand just so they can do it im tired of typeing later
If you're going to bash the P-40 as an addition to AH, you probably shouldn't bring up scenarios. The P-40 is one of the most versitile planes in the set when it comes to scenario play. I don't think you actually know what you want, but you are trying mighty hard to make some sort of point.
As I said, I have no problem with having a Yugo plane added to the set. I'm on record as wanting to see more Italian and at least one French model. I'd even like to see the Australian Boomerang modeled. I like diversity in the plane set. But don't come out of the gates with this "Unreasonable" nonsense. There are pleanty of reasons for the 1.10 planeset that are reasonable. In fact, here's a thread I started a while ago where I and a few others tried to nail down the best way to find new planes to add.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49048
It was a constructive exchange of ideas. Mostly because Bullethead and I didn't polorize the argument from the outset by calling one another unreasonable or our planes uninteresting.
-Sikboy
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The reason is simple: Scenarios and Special Events
We needed these planes in order to run certain scenarios. HTC tells us which theater they would like to concentrate on and we tell them which planes we would like to see. They then decide which planes to model. Dont automatically assume that these planes were modelled for MA use. :)
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sicboy ... grow up your thrust to be better then everybody is ridculious ... and the person above me ... if you read in my post i said AH should have the models for the special events all ready ... we pay money why shouldnt they work a bit? i think all new planes should be modeled for MA and the scenario ones should be downloaded before the scenario starts maybe a couple days or so .... im not even going to argue with you sicboy ... take your dumb negitative attitude and bring it somewhere else will you
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Originally posted by Timebomb_Man
sicboy ... grow up your thrust to be better then everybody is ridculious ... and the person above me ... if you read in my post i said AH should have the models for the special events all ready ... we pay money why shouldnt they work a bit? i think all new planes should be modeled for MA and the scenario ones should be downloaded before the scenario starts maybe a couple days or so .... im not even going to argue with you sicboy ... take your dumb negitative attitude and bring it somewhere else will you
Indeed
:rolleyes:
and I have a negative attitude lol. What a rube.
-Sikboy
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sicboy have you ever tried typing your own message instead of quoteing others and replying to it? because i have been searching the posts and you do this in every thread and it seems everybody doesnt like you in each one of them... why dont you try to use your own words and damn outright type something from your mouth instead of quoteing and responding ... cause thats all you do .. quote.... is that how you talk in real life? does sombody say something to you and you repeat it back to them and tell them where they forgot to breath? ... im geting ready for the lame quote after this and then the response "and your original" or some dumb thing like that ... grow up and stop being a predicable little punk
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Time bomb kid is a trolling dweeb for why I have no idea ....
I have not seen this handle of his in the main arena yet ... So he is hiding behind this name ..... (according to the scoreboard he has not been in the main at all yet)
So Who the hell is he and why is he picking fights all over the boards ???? I find it hard to credit any opinion out of someone who is Hiding or to dweeby to post his gaming name !!!
Punt...
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just to tell u guys the Hurr II C does have french markings..........
and the p-40 has some other countries markings that i can't think of off the top of my head
accually now that i think about it HTC probably don't add other country's planes cuz they were so infrerior to the 109 or spit
i have noticed sort of a pattern with HTC they either add very famous planes or mass produced planes ex. A-20G mass P-40b famous 109's mass/famous P-40e mass Boston III famous/mass
if u were pushing for a forin plane the only thing i know that would probably catch HTC attention is the C.2000 through the C.2005........and just to tell u the c.20005 was known to out perform any plane that germany had in both italian and german hands.........plus i have read that it would out perform anything the allies had too..........so that would be your best bet.......
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Considering the poor quality of your argumentation (which you never address) I don't think you have a leg to stand on to question the methods of others. Its fun to watch you get all wounded puppy on the boards (and to pull out that fan favorite "grow up" the last bastion of idiocy on a message board). You were right when you said that you weren't going to argue with me, instead you're just going to stand to the side and try to bug me.
Keep up the good work :rolleyes:
-Sikboy
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WHO'S not gonna fly the P-40?? :D Actually its getting flown allot (comparatively speaking).
...hey Timebomb
There's a button up top, "user cp". From there you'll find "Edit Ignore List"... pick a slot and type Sikboy, and you won't be annoyed any more (I did long time ago) :D Dude seldom has anything civil to say anyway.
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Originally posted by Tumor
pick a slot and type Sikboy, and you won't be annoyed any more (I did long time ago)
Gee I'm honored :D
-Sikboy
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How about we start a pertition to Ban you Timebomb 'BOY', All of your '12' post have been you moaning or calling Roscorro a nazi either grow up or shut up.:mad:
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im trying to bug you? isnt this my thread? lol you came in here to try and bug me and then you try and tell me how im the aggressor ... anybody who SHOULD post in this thread should be able different ways to put planes in the game ... so really there isnt anything for me to argue about anyway only imaginary things you make up ...
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I think this explains everything:
From the Flame Warrior's website:
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html
GARBLE:Garble is a mystery: Is he a foreigner with only tenuous grasp of English? Is his brain addled by some powerful drug? Does he suffer a serious mental debility? Is he typing wearing a catcher's mit? Garble's rampant typos, malapropisms and seemingly aggressive use of execrable grammar can't be explained merely in terms of poor typing skills or the lack of a spell checker. Even non-English speakers generally do a better job of punctuation grammar and capitalization, and Garble is all the more puzzling because if one goes to the trouble of wading through the muddle of his messages a discernable idea will usually emerge. For example, in a forum discussion about a painting he might say, "Sorry the picchr the har is wrog. The culir. I liike the lips bot teh Paintng is sucs". When attacked for his random capitalization Garble might respond, "oPS i HITTED THE CAPDLOCK". Not surprisingly, he drives Grammarian and Nitpick absolutely nuts, but he is utterly impervious to any sort of correction and if their attacks persist he will sign off in a huff with something like, "yuor forum si stupef. bYE!" CAUTION: Garble may be Net Rat.
J_A_B
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im trying to bug you? isnt this my thread? lol you came in here to try and bug me
keep me out of this will ya
:D
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Originally posted by Soviet
And for you Helicopter fans, THE ROTORBUGGY!
(http://users.chariot.net.au/~theburfs/unrealimg/hafner2.jpg)
the perfect thing for transversing AH's steep hills, how many ppl could it carry?
And why have 1 wing when you can have 9!!!!!!!
(http://www.metalprocessing.net/ac/ww1/Cap-Ca-60.jpg)
you sure thats not a boat with expansion decks?
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Originally posted by Timebomb_Man
im trying to bug you? isnt this my thread? lol you came in here to try and bug me and then you try and tell me how im the aggressor ... anybody who SHOULD post in this thread should be able different ways to put planes in the game ... so really there isnt anything for me to argue about anyway only imaginary things you make up ...
Yeah, see, the argument would be about your case, and whether or not it has merit, which it doesn't. But instead of trying to further your nonsensical position, you instead come after me for the way I reply to posts. Amazing. I engaged your lame idea, and you started cryin about "grow up" and such. If you just want adulation, start a fan club, don't get all pissy on a BBS lol.
-Sikboy
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Originally posted by J_A_B
think this explains everything:
Yeah, I think that's about it lol.
-Sikboy
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TimeBomb, no offense, but thats kinda dumb thing to ask.
This is a world war II simulator, WW2 was not all fought in 1944-1945!, and what would TOD's, Scenario's, CT all be with out early war planes! I can see it, the Battle of britain in spitfire14's, Bf110G2's and 109G10's :rolleyes: not everyone wants to fly the latest greatest uber late war cannon armed planes! some people like the Challange of shooting the wing off of a latewar plane in an old HurriI,or D3A1 (Yes I've shot down a few late war planes in the D3A and it goes 10 mph slower worse armed, and no where near as manuverable as the Gloster Gladiator I'd like to see!:D).
EVERY plane (including C47!) can and does get kills in AH, I've even shot down a C47 with the Ju88's front nose gun!
it gets kinda tired of seeing the same old "MA is the only thing that counts stop adding early war planes and give us all the latewar easy 2 fly planes!" whine.
I like and welcome every plane that HTC adds, if I don't like it, SO WHAT!? Others may, I just don't fly it that simple!!
Fly what you like, what you don't, shoot down!
I don't under stand how adding early war planes effects you? If you fly late war planes, just look at em as easy targets!
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it's Amiot not Amoit :)
and yes it's ugly...
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Originally posted by Timebomb_Man
im trying to bug you? isnt this my thread? lol you came in here to try and bug me
Why do you thimk that I or anyone come in here to try and bug you, we all come in here to read what it was you had to say, dont understand what you going on about at all.
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All of you who post in here should read everything i have said .. i think this is the 3rd time or 4th that early war plane sets for scenarios should be set up for download before the scenario starts like a day or 2 ... and that intresting planes should go into MA instead of old planes of newer models etcetc how many times i gotta say that before you understand .... i have nothing against old plane sets ... but they should be prepared before a scenario ... you guys do pay money btw
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TimeBomb man, some people like to fly early war planes in the MA, and you cant expect HTC to add every plane in 1 big patch before a scenario!, they just cant make planes that fast, it takes time and they have to slowly add plane by plane.
AH isn't all about the MA, and the MA isn't all about latewar planes.
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Timebomb_Man said something like
Why is hitech giving us P40s and planes that are inferior to non-perk planes we already have ,, nobody will use a p40 when they can use a p51
True - the P-51B and D models are both faster and the D has the same guns and P-51B has pretty much the same climbrate as the P-40C and E, but the P-40E can actually turn better than either the P-51B or P-51D and it seems to be able to take more damage than the Mustangs. It also has one more advantage - the "John Wayne" factor! Anyone who's seen the movie "Flying Tigers" will try the P-40C and P-40E at least once. And I personally was on the receiving end of a spanking by a P-40E while flying a P-51D, so I know it can be done. ;)
and then Timebomb_Man said something like
i petition that they add intresting planes instead of old planes of the new models we can already use ... take this plane for explample the Ikarus IK-3 yugoslavia plane .. reply to this message if you agree with me
Until you mentioned it, I'd never heard of this Yugoslavian aircraft. I think most of the Aces High players have never heard of it either, and I wonder if Aces High developers will be able to find enough data on the plane to make an accurate flight model.
I think a more popular choice for the next series would be either the French Dewoitine D520 fighter, the German Ju-87 Stuka, the Japanese Ki-84 Hayate, the USA B-25B Mitchell (Doolittle's raiders), the Australian Commonwealth Boomerang, or the Brewster Buffalo in Finland colors.
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So Sikboy was all, like
As I said, I have no problem with having a Yugo plane added to the set. I'm on record as wanting to see more Italian and at least one French model. I'd even like to see the Australian Boomerang modeled. -Sikboy
This outrageous! More Italian planes? They have two already! Your statement is without merit and completely unreasonable! They should add the B-25B Mitchell first. We don't have nearly enough American planes.... ;)
The Yugoslavian plane would be interesting to add, but I think the French Dewoitine D520, Australian Boomerang, the Ju-87 Stuka and Brewster Buffalo would find more use in scenario play and the Ki-84 Hayate would certainly get a lot of use in the MA.
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The P-40 was probably the most widely used Allied fighter of WW2. The RAF, USAAF, RAAF, Soviet, Free French all used it. Pacific, Europe, Med, Burma. Saw combat from 1941-1945.
Gee, I cant think of a reason it should be included at all .