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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: peterg2 on July 06, 2002, 10:30:50 AM
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And so this threat is obsolete, but can't be deleted because of it's length.
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Wow... something this well thought out.. how can someone even argue?
:rolleyes:
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Easy solution... download the terrain editor, make your own, and submit it to HTC. Maybe they'll consider it for the MA. After you're done with that, come back and make another post like this.
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Here is a theme I see increasingly in this game. Don't get what you want, cry or whine about it. Think no one is listening because it isn't immediately changed, cry louder. This isn't mature adult behavior, and yes, I know we have some juveniles in the game but the large majority are adults.
Hell, the 'pizza' map may not work for our numbers or it may just plain suck. I think the latter was a foregone conclusion a month ago, but wait, it only came into play a few days ago. :rolleyes:
I think HTC have a whine filter that automatically dumps most of the crying going on. If not, they should.
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AK's,
He's just a whiner. I like the options that are available here. You can spread out for a liesurely small number fight. Do some base caps. NOE, or other small ops tactics. On the other hand any one who can't find a furball with large numbers here when there are over 200 players online simply doesn't know how to use thier clipboard.
There are options and alternatives with this map. Who CARES if it isn't a replay of WW2. It is a GAME and you have options. Use them.
If you cannot figure out options, I'm sure you can find a copy of crimson sky or red baron somewhere.. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by peterg2
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...we all hate the friggin PIZZA. And besides, we never ordered the damned thing.
We can make orders?
eskimo
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>We can make orders?
Heh. Go ahead. I'm sure HT responds pretty well to being given orders. :)
Wab
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i like it...
Peter is in our squad....we have a few peopl in our group that are stil a little bit in shock or whatever....
Bring it AK's Im gonan put this pizza in the fridge and eat it in the morning...
I love it....im ready to battle.....
I could care less about hte HO Chi Man trials u guy shave in here...im ready to carpet bom ur tunnels...
If i can calibreat inm a 30 knot crosswind..lololollo
Love BiGB
xoxoxo
P.S. I do like the map..
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So,you wanted a steak and egg map???:D
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Man on July 1st hblair posted a message about how tame these boards were.
Seems it was just the calm before the storm
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If i was cook i would piss in his soup
:)
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I kinda like it (not that anyone cares what I like)
But ask yourself this question.. Do you really think this is what we will have from now to forever?
I think we may have other maps in the future (duhh) Ht is busy working on bugs and has spent a bunch of time on 1.10
so..... Chill and have fun
things will change (you may not like all the changes but tough)
but please stop the freaking Wineing
(steps down off soap box and walks away with head heald high)
Scoot out
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well some of us just take it as it comes - whether we kiss up or not :)
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Best thing about this map is , EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!
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Actually, overall, I don't have many problems with the map. Just one that I can think of.
The altitudes are so high that it renders alot of lower alt flying planes pretty useless. Which then limits your available planeset choices...Unless they want to fly in the cracks....or get your butt constantly kicked as you struggle not to stall or compress.
I guess what i'm saying is that the B-n-Z portion of the game is now alot more limited.
If the whole map were dropped by about 5k then I'd like it just fine.
I'd still want to see other ones, but this one would be just fine too.
I don't have any problems with the color or the shape or the strat.
Overall I think it was a pretty good job, being as large as it is....just a wee bit too high up is all.
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As AKWabbit posted in another thread, he has written an app that will rescale the terrain elevation. If Hitech sees fit it'll likely be lowered.
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all you squeakers, sit down and shut the hell up. Don't squeak cause you don't like the map.
You know what? I didn't like mindano but tough luck.
Shut your pie hole and stop it.
And as a matter of fact i've never absolutly loved the AKs (don't take that wrong i don't hate the aks either their a good squad)
I have my qualms with the map and theres things I love, i put up with it. I know the AKs worked hard over this and the work payed off, they don't deserve this negative critisizm (sp?) because the map doesn't exactly fit your furballing ways or whatever it is doing to annoy you. I happen to think it's the best map ever made. Don't whine and squeak to get it taken outta cycle cause you want it that way, other people like the map, you wanna ruin it for them?
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So far I’ve only had a couple hours on the new map and 1.10. I haven’t been plugged into it for the last 72 hours or so since it’s been out but I find it hard to believe that’s enough time to take in the full, how do you say, ambiance ;).
Give it some time if there is something wrong it will be corrected. As for the map, I have to say, I love the canyons! Saved my butt at least twice yesterday. Hell it takes stall fighting to whole new level. The terrain texture, well, it appears someone has figured out how to make the camouflage useful without taking away the icons. I find it harder to get a bearing on a lot more aircraft when they’re set against the ground.
It’s really hard to muster an argument of any sort of historical terrain in the MA as Mindanao was a good example of that. Real life geographical locations seldom have any sort of three-way equality in strategic placement unless we map Kansas. Wow, that would be fun to fly in!
Designing something that is visually pleasing, strategically equal, as well as a challenging to fight in is a huge task. I’m by no means an AK cheerleader but I don’t think they need to be ridiculed for taking on and completing something as time consuming as this map obviously was.
Relax, take a deep breath, and then get to work on making something you believe would suit the MA better. Or at least phrase it in the form of a suggestion or a question instead of chest pounding. Hey, I think I just saw something about that on the BBS about submitting questions as well. Who’d a thunk! :)
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I don't know about you guys but I don't like this map. Its huge and it is going to take forever to win a war. Most bases a high alt. and when you encounter enemies they are usually higher than you. CV's are almost useless since you pretty much can't use the LVT's..etc.
I understand the the AK's spent hard working time on this map and I feel bad saying I do not like their map. But hey its my opinion and if you are just going to call people that disagree with you names then go ahead.
I wish we can just go to another one of the regular maps.
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Well, I hoped the post might stur up some intelligent thought. Reflect on what is happening here please. We have a totally different game to play now. Is it the game that we've all grown to appreciate, or is it something that none of us envisioned or expected?
As a former game developer, I know how much work it takes to get any sort of game out the door. Yes, the AK's and HTC did a lot of work to get 1.10 into our little mitts, but what sort of market analysis was done before everyone began the march towards 1.10?
Was any analysis done to figure out what features were working or not working? Was there any any analysis of gameplay issues and how they would be affected by quadrupling the arena space? Was there any sort of survey questionaire distributed to paying members? I didn't see anything.
"Aces High" is obviously a work in progress. There have been numerous minor upgrades that have evolved the game through 1.09. But, 1.10 is a "new" game. Suddenly, it's not the game I signed up to play. So I'm a bit upset over that fact.
Also, for those who never "developed" a game, the Beta testing cycle can last anywhere from 3 to 6 months. Most developers hire a crew of in-house beta testers to kick the tires on a game by playing the game to death. They find bugs. They find gameplay issues. They find art and concept issues. And they complain and squeak and moan about this and that about a game to the level artists, producers, and programmers. They do this so that the public and you guys out there can have a fun and relatively bug free game to play. You could say they are professional whiners.
HTC has in essence, released a new game to us. And we are the defacto Beta testers whether we ever wanted to be or not. So people are going to whine. Expect it. Whine back. Most of you already have. And as HTC Beta testers, we don't get paid. We pay HTC. Seems a bit strange to me, but life is strange.
Anyway, I just feel rather blindsided by 1.10 and the release of the "new" game.
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Originally posted by peterg2
Well, I hoped the post might stur up some intelligent thought.
a stupid post like this creating intelligent thought?
that is highly unlikely.
Oh, BTW, talk by yourself when you say "I don't like the pizza map". Many of us do.
So stop the demagogic crap, and if you are to squeak, at least do it in a clear and clean way. YOU don't like it. Talk about yourself.
Thank you.
HTC has in essence, released a new game to us. And we are the defacto Beta testers whether we ever wanted to be or not.
Let me see...hummmmm......
It's called the same way, it has the same basis, it has the same rules and it has the same taste as always has had...it still is the same old game of flying a plane and killing other's using ACM. It still is the same AH I've known since the last days of beta (when I arrived here).
In 1.10 it has changed the bomber system and added some more strategic stuff, which is always a welcome addition. Not to mention 9 new outstandingly modelled planes.
So THIS is a "new game"?. lol. And you call "this" Intelligent thinking?...you must be a professional of humor, mate...
You know,in the end you summed quite well in your first post...if you don't like it you know where the door is, I guess :).
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Easy on him RAM, he's blindsided.
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That's great. Sometimes I miss things with so many threads going on.
We'll see what happens.
Originally posted by AKIron
As AKWabbit posted in another thread, he has written an app that will rescale the terrain elevation. If Hitech sees fit it'll likely be lowered.
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Originally posted by Kanth
Actually, overall, I don't have many problems with the map. Just one that I can think of.
The altitudes are so high that it renders alot of lower alt flying planes pretty useless. Which then limits your available planeset choices...Unless they want to fly in the cracks....or get your butt constantly kicked as you struggle not to stall or compress.
I guess what i'm saying is that the B-n-Z portion of the game is now alot more limited.
If the whole map were dropped by about 5k then I'd like it just fine.
I'd still want to see other ones, but this one would be just fine too.
I don't have any problems with the color or the shape or the strat.
Overall I think it was a pretty good job, being as large as it is....just a wee bit too high up is all.
Kanth,
Salute for expressing your opinion without coming across as a whiner expecting everything to be catered to your style. Too bad others do not chose to do the same more often.
eskimo
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Also hoped the post might stur up some not so intelligent posts...which it has.
Ah, freedom of speech...isn't it wonderful! I love a good glass of whine in the evening.
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Originally posted by peterg2
Ah, freedom of speech...isn't it wonderful! I love a good glass of whine in the evening.
Big difference between Freedom of Speech and Terms of Service. (http://www.hitechcreations.com/tos.html)
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OH gOd no..dont change the Hi alt bases.....
"The altitudes are so high that it renders alot of lower alt flying planes pretty useless. Which then limits your available planeset choices...Unless they want to fly in the cracks....or get your butt constantly kicked as you struggle not to stall or compress. "
Ok this is funny.....11k is too high??? if it is ..maybe its time to get ouyt of your LA LA 7...I know.."it goes so slow at 25K..lololo
jesus
Hi alt bases-----My goon goes 300mph from hi alt base to a lo alt basse capture..its SWEETTT
I love that..I also love if you arent a pretty good pilot..u cant get ur buff or ftr in the air before u hi ta mtn at the hi alt bases..ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT
The terrain is sssssssweeeetttt
The more I play..( only hour a week)....LMFAO...the more i like this map....
KIK ASSSSS
Love BiGB
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Your restaurant analogy is way, way off.
This aint a restaurant.
This is a movie, and the internet is a theater.
If you dont like the movie, you cant change it. Just walk away and watch another.
Todays showings are Aces High, WWII Online, Warbirds, and IL2 Sturmovik.
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Originally posted by Animal
This is a movie, and the internet is a theater.
If you dont like the movie, you cant change it. Just walk away and watch another.
Yes I am considering just that. And so are other people I know. And just think, if enough people leave the game, you can capture base after base with no opposition whatsoever. Now doesn't that sound like a lot of fun?
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Originally posted by Ozark
Big difference between Freedom of Speech and Terms of Service. (http://www.hitechcreations.com/tos.html)
Yes, you're right about that.
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Originally posted by RRAM
a stupid post like this creating intelligent thought?
that is highly unlikely.
Well, you seemed to have responded with what I assume is intelligent thought.
Oh, BTW, talk by yourself when you say "I don't like the pizza map". Many of us do.
And a heck of a lot of people don't. Maybe you've had a chance to read some of the posts.
Let me see...hummmmm...... It's called the same way, it has the same basis, it has the same rules and it has the same taste as always has had...it still is the same old game of flying a plane and killing other's using ACM. It still is the same AH I've known since the last days of beta (when I arrived here).
So, Aces High started off with 255 bases to capture. I was not aware of that. Must be something wrong with my download.
So THIS is a "new game"?. lol. And you call "this" Intelligent thinking?...you
must be a professional of humor, mate...
Was that Professor of humor? I have no idea what a professional of humor is?
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Originally posted by peterg2
Yes I am considering just that. And so are other people I know. And just think, if enough people leave the game, you can capture base after base with no opposition whatsoever. Now doesn't that sound like a lot of fun?
Threatening tones will get you no love peter, because there is always another customer on the way and his $15 is just as good as yours.
As pointed out above, 1.10 is not a 'new' game. IIf you have been here for longer then 1.09 you would have seen this sim take leaps and bounds from when it was first released in beta. I'd rather htc make innovative changes to put them ahead of the competition then just idle along like some 'other' sims.
How about you and everyone else chill out for a bit. This is just a game, and it's summer to boot. Get outside and excersise those long-neglected arms and legs instead of working your fingers on the silly keyboard.
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Originally posted by Soviet
all you squeakers, sit down and shut the hell up. Don't squeak cause you don't like the map.
You know what? I didn't like mindano but tough luck.
Shut your pie hole and stop it.
Humm...you know, I can't tell if you're squeaking about squeaking or whining about people whining. Maybe it's a "comment" or an "opinion." OK, I have read your expressed "opinion." Yes your arguments have merit. So there. You may continue to squeak and whine.
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Where is ur soup?
and let me intelligently piss in it
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by peterg2
And a heck of a lot of people don't. Maybe you've had a chance to read some of the posts.
So, Aces High started off with 255 bases to capture. I was not aware of that. Must be something wrong with my download.
Yes, manye people don't like it. but many people DO like it...or at least we don't have major complains about it (which is my case)... So if you come here saying
"Look, we never ordered any PIZZA, and besides, it just plain sucks. Execpt for a few guys who are apparently friends of the chef and AK, who seem to eat anything put in from of them no matter how horrible, we all hate the friggin PIZZA. And besides, we never ordered the damned thing."
Then don't expect to "stir up some intelligent thinking". All you will get are answers saying "roadkill". And rightly so.
If you come saying that, then you should expect people to call you demagoge, and qualify your post as a load of crap. Because your post is full of false statement, wrong assumptions and a LOAD of demagogic crap- that is bassically what it is. And that is why I said that "stupid posts don't stir up intelligent thinking"...because your post was full of BS to the point to be stupid.
Those of us who like the map (or don't dislike it) aren't exactly two...we are MANY...the only difference between those who like it and those who don't is that we don't start 20 posts in 24 hours saying "I LIKE THE MAP A LOT!!!!", while that is just what those who don't like it have done since 1.10 was released. So stop the "we all hate the pizza map" crap at all, because it's FALSE.
And talking about more false statements...... that "we didn't ask for a fediddlein Pizza". That is false, too.
-in 1.09 there were LOADS of complains about map being overcrowded, about gangbanging, and about needing more space in a new map.
So....HTC listened, and We got a new, bigger map.
-Since I'm here (before 1.00) there have been LOADS of complains about Bombers being unreallistically accurate, and the dweebish 30k-buff thing (I was between those who had really serious complains about bombers).
So HTC again listened to us, and now we got a new,more realistic Bombing system ,much more immersive buff formations...summing up...Level Bombing is now a challenging interesting part to play in this game.
So don't say "we didn't ask for a new pizza". Maybe you didn't. many of us DID!. And for a LONG time. And when HTC finally listens what the players have asked for ages, now the players have to whine and cry saying that noone ever asked for such changes?...yah right, dude.
Your post is a sum of false statements and assumptions from your part. So expect it to be critized as it should be.
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About Aces high...see, AH is still the same: Roll a plane, climb with it, kill other planes or bomb a place, return to base, land the plane.
Same may be done with vehicles.
THe basic of AH hasn't changed. It IS a flight simulator, with "touches" of strategic thinking, chances of cooperation between the players, vehicles to drive, guns to man, and wars to win, and a place to have fun.
Aces High started with no vehicles at all in a 64*64 map. In 1.02 we got vehicles and a 128*128 map (for an average of 60-90 people online, MIND YOU about small numbers). In 1.04 we got a drastic FM change. in 1.05 we got a fleet an a isles map, and many maps later with more sea to use the lfeet in.
Finally in 1.10 we got new strat system, new bomber system (which had been asked for ages by most of the players I know), and a bigger map again
So what do ya mean?...That HTC has been releasing a NEW game in 1.02, 1.04, 1.05 and 1.10??. No.
AH has been the SAME GAME all thru those releases. Now it has MUCH MORE chances to do different things we couldn't do in 1.00... but is still the same basic with many more options. The game hasn't changed on itself, it still is the same Aces High where you must fly, kill and survive...what it has now is many many more options for you to select between.
ANd you whine about it and say that you don't want a new game.
Lol.
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Originally posted by moose
How about you and everyone else chill out for a bit. This is just a game, and it's summer to boot. Get outside and excersise those long-neglected arms and legs instead of working your fingers on the silly keyboard.
Yes Moose, you're quite right. Appreciate it. Thanks.
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This is HiTech's game. Not ours.
We can only add our insight and hope he uses it as he brings his product closer to what he envisioned.
Either you're in for the ride, or you aren't.
-SW
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Here is a theme I see increasingly in this game. Don't get what you want, cry or whine about it. Think no one is listening because it isn't immediately changed, cry louder. This isn't mature adult behavior, and yes, I know we have some juveniles in the game but the large majority are adults.
This is why they put the candy at the checkout counter at stores , lmao , does he really think that HT is his Mommie ?
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The hardest things about the new map that were hard to get used to were:
- Bases at much higher alts
- Map is HUGE
- Ground color makes it harder see bases at times
Impossible to strat the whole map at once because it will not fit in the clipboard. So in effect this HUGE map is just many MINI maps. Still it is difficult to grasp the big picture. A bit overwhelming at first.
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I like glazed doughnuts.