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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dago on July 07, 2002, 11:05:51 AM
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Just logged off AH, once again frustrated by the new map. AKs did a good job building a map, but the fact is it is way too big for the current player base.
Unlike some, I do not care to spend the large majority of my time flying and flying to get to an enemy field so I can risk the ack to kill the one aircraft there.
I have done all the icon shutting down stuff, so that you can actually see where a red dot or dar bar is. Way too spread out.
Heres a fun trick, let your squad tell you what field they are at, and try to find it on the map.
Yeah right, way to jammed with stuff to read field numbers.
The concept of the big map might have been a little too ambitious at this point. Maybe we/I can get used to it eventually, but for now I think it took alot of the fun out of the game.
Sadly, after hearing there had been a reset I logged on to try 1.10 on a new map. Unfortunately I found the pizza map still in place.
Now I expect there will be some posts telling me I am a whiner, etc. I guess some guys dont feel anyone is entitled to an opinion if it isnt the same as theirs. I pay my monthly bill, I can feel as I want and I can express it. That is after all the way HTC can get a feeling about the community feelings to differant aspects of the game.
I am going out of town tommorow, wont have a chance to play for about 10 days. If that pizza map hasn't been replaced or rotated at least by the time I get back, I think it will be time to close my account.
The game wont suffer due to the lose of one player like myself anyway.
Dago
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Originally posted by Dago
Now I expect there will be some posts telling me I am a whiner, etc. I guess some guys dont feel anyone is entitled to an opinion if it isnt the same as theirs. I pay my monthly bill, I can feel as I want and I can express it. That is after all the way HTC can get a feeling about the community feelings to differant aspects of the game.
I am going out of town tommorow, wont have a chance to play for about 10 days. If that pizza map hasn't been replaced or rotated at least by the time I get back, I think it will be time to close my account.
The game wont suffer due to the lose of one player like myself anyway.
Dago
Only HTC can determine if your opinion is suitable for the bb here, same for you as for me. Mine happens to be that you are a whiner, not for expressing your opinion but for threatening to quit if you don't get your way.
Several seem to think they have the right to squeak without being squeaked at for squeaking. Don't count on it. :p
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Type '.move base#" to find your squad. Used to work anyways. If it does, put me on for a free month as your AH trainer as I'd hate to see you closing your account with your lip dragging on your shirt when I can provide you easy direction.
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Well if you wanna label yerself a whiner that's yer business.
Instead of askin yer squad what base they're at, ask what base they launched from and then type .move ###
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I wasnt keen on the map at first,hell,I wasnt keen on the bombing at first!,but we NEED BIG maps,furballs are all fine and well,but what about us Buff pilots? we got to get to alt for our missions,without having to pass through or near a damn furball,or what about the guys who like low level strike ops on factories/airfields?,a big map caters for everyone,by spreading out the damn furballers,giving the rest of us the chance to play the game the way WE want,Aks did a good job on the map,though Id like to see a map that incorperates desert,grassland,snow,in different parts of it,I think that would add to the feeling of taking territory far away from your 'homeland'.
The canyons? hmmm not too keen on em,and the alt of some of the terrain,but like the new concept of the bombing,Ill get used to it.Whatever way I look at it,the game HAS changed for the better,and will only get better. :)
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Mine happens to be that
Yup AK, that was as predictable as the sun rising in the morning. You dont like what I say so you call me a whiner. If you can't discuss with fact, you result to insult. Kinda shows you lost the arguement already. I am not threatening to quit, I am planning on quitting if it doesnt change.
It wasnt offered as a threat, and I sure dont expect HTC to worry about my one account. It was offered as a statement of my plans. Let HTC decide if they give a rats bellybutton about our feelings.
Creamo, thanks for the offer, but I know about the move command and I have already used it on this map. The fact remains that this map is too crowded with fields and empty of players. I just dont like it.
Dago
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If you need to go to where your squad is, just go to roster highlight one of your squads name and hit go to, that simple.
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Dago,
If it time to quit then by damned, its time to quit :)
PS: There are some excellent terrains in H2H and some damned fine opponents there as well. Big plus is some of the terrains commonly used in H2H are tiny...eensy weensy.
Cheers m8
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Dago:
There are different ways to express ur opinion. The way u go is the way a whiner goes. Check ur subject check and check ur threat that u will leave the game. Man, it's a new VERSION with new experiences. Post ur arguments pro and contra this map in a mature factual way and u won't be called what u are: A WHINER.
Until yet i have rarely seen one single thread that tends to discuss this map in a soundly way.
BTW do u really think this will be the one and only map?
Edit: Sry if i offend u but my patience reading 1000th thread about the map is gone.
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I am with Dago 100%. It's a dollar vote. We can vote for by paying or we can vote no by not paying. Whining it is not. Calling some one a whiner is an attempt to suppress them from giving their opinion.
This is an atrocious map. I realize that some one (AK I think) put a bunch of work into building the map and well I appreciate the effort. However, it is horrible. I just don't like the pizza pie look or the alts of the bases. It could also be called the milk runner's special. Do you realize at full capacity that would leave about 2 players per field? Further, it was really warpy when I last flew on it. I had been flying about 100 hours a month and now I can hardly bring myself to play I think I have flown once or twice in the new arena. It use to be so much fun (Just a week ago).
Like Dago, if something doesn't change soon I will leave and spend my entertainment dollars where I will get more satisfaction. WWII online is starting to look good to me.
Infrared
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Originally posted by Dago
If that pizza map hasn't been replaced or rotated at least by the time I get back, I think it will be time to close my account.
And you really don't see this as a threat? It's not even veiled.
You don't have to be a whiner, it's probably not in your genes, just don't whine. Or be a whiner if you want, don't expect to not be called on it though.
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infrared:
U can do what u want to do its ur money and ur live.
For me if someone say do this or that or i will cancel my account is like my little brother piping down until he gets what he wants - won't change anything!
Look at all those threads. I'm sure HTC and the AK's will change the things many players don't like. But as i mentioned above childish threats are not the kind of style i like.
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Originally posted by AKIron
And you really don't see this as a threat? It's not even veiled.
You don't have to be a whiner, it's probably not in your genes, just don't whine. Or be a whiner if you want, don't expect to not be called on it though.
AKs will take any thing said against thier map as a whine, cause
they made it.
yes we needed a bigger map, but 4X bigger is too much. as much as the 1x map was crowded iwth 400 players, the 4X map is too
sparcely populated with same 400 players. instead of a 4x bigger,maybe HT should/shoulda went 2X.
the Pizza map, and other 4X maps will be great when we have
400 players per side. but right now with 150 per side at max, its just tooooo BIG.
Whels
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THIS JUST IN FROM THE NEWS DESK!!!!
BREAKING STORY!!!!
AH EVOLVES! New Features Added! Old Features Changed!
Some players like it! Some don't! Some don't even notice!!!!
Some players take short term view: "Give me my old AH back NOW or... or.. .or.. you KNOW what I'll do!"
Some players take long term view: "Hmmm. This is different. Let's see how this plays out and what adjustments they make in the next few weeks. After all, HTC has ALWAYS been a very customer-oriented company."
STANDBY FOR UPDATES! WE'RE SENDING OUR REPORTER BACK INTO COMBAT IN THE MA!
;)
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Originally posted by Duedel
infrared:
U can do what u want to do its ur money and ur live.
For me if someone say do this or that or i will cancel my account is like my little brother piping down until he gets what he wants - won't change anything!
Look at all those threads. I'm sure HTC and the AK's will change the things many players don't like. But as i mentioned above childish threats are not the kind of style i like.
2 things here, First, I don't remember attacking anyone. I just stated my opinion in a mature and factual way. You did not. 2nd, If your brother paid you 15 dollars a month you would listen to him because he would be a customer. Like I said, Customer's vote with dollars. You should really stay with the subject instead of attacking the messenger.
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Originally posted by whels
AKs will take any thing said against thier map as a whine, cause they made it.
That's a pretty broad statement whels. Certainly we'd be happier if everyone loved the map and everything was perfect with it.
However, this thread, as are some others, is a whine. When the whine is directed at me, I respond. This thread barely stops short of blaming the AK's for the demise of Aces High and finishes with a "change it or I quit" statement. Nobody likes whiners, except maybe their parents. :p
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those who say they are gonna leave-
good-bye. best wishes. really.
and when you find a better sim, with more features, more planes, more vehicles, better naval action, better flight models, better development team, a better community, and just plain more ways to have fun, do drop us a note, won't you?
thanks.
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Originally posted by infrared
2 things here, First, I don't remember attacking anyone. I just stated my opinion in a mature and factual way. You did not. 2nd, If your brother paid you 15 dollars a month you would listen to him because he would be a customer. Like I said, Customer's vote with dollars. You should really stay with the subject instead of attacking the messenger.
1. Never said u attack someone. I said the way u and dago act is childish.
2. If i say u and dago act childish i dont attack u but rather i try explain that ur kind of threats are unneeded.
BTW why not stop this thing and discuss the needed changes on the map. Make suggestions how to evolve the things. I think it's better discussing this than getting into personal hostility. U agree?
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My point,
I like the map. Have no problems finding squaddies or a fight or a base to go to. Had no problems seeing BIG fights or sparsely populated areas. Saw a concerted team effort to reset the arena, which as far as I could see was going splendidly. you ruffian rooks and nits.
Last point. From the numbers online in the MA, it would seem that there are quite a few folks who can live with the map. If yer gonna leave over the map, then do so. If you like the game and the combat the map is a secondary consideration.
Nothing seems to be static in the game except for the whining. :D
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Originally posted by KG45
those who say they are gonna leave-
good-bye. best wishes. really.
Can't agree with u here. I think many "whiners" (ups wrong word) ;) are a little over the top. Next release of the map and next new map will help them to calm down. Many of them are good sticks and sensible persons who need a glas (or a barrel) of good german beer.
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I agree, his map is too big and kills frame rates. Should dump it and get a smaller and better (and I mean BETTER) map!
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Duedel-
actually a big spliff of kin bud is better for calming the nerves and getting mellow.
the thing is, spend waaaay too much time on message boards and this kind of 'do this or i'm leaving' thread is common. so, i don't wish to insult those posters, but wish them luck in their pursuit of something better.
i just wish they would maybe send private message to whomever they disagree with, and then leave quietly.
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OK, how 'bout this "whine"...
Since V1.10 and the introduction of this current map I have lost all enthusiasim for AcesHigh.
It's just not "AS" fun anymore for me and LOTS of other people.
I suspect a change in the terrain is due in the near future...I'll look forward to it just as much as I looked forward to v1.10.
As for v1.10....all the new features are great except for the map. I don't think it will ever be as much fun as previous maps untill the player base expands to populate it properly.
Now, is that a "proper" whine?
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Originally posted by MrLars
OK, how 'bout this "whine"...
Since V1.10 and the introduction of this current map I have lost all enthusiasim for AcesHigh.
It's just not "AS" fun anymore for me and LOTS of other people.
I suspect a change in the terrain is due in the near future...I'll look forward to it just as much as I looked forward to v1.10.
As for v1.10....all the new features are great except for the map. I don't think it will ever be as much fun as previous maps untill the player base expands to populate it properly.
Now, it that a "proper" whine?
Ummmm.. no... not at all due to the sentence "...map I have lost all enthusiasim for AcesHigh" ur post is a little bit to pathetic u know? :D
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Well done MrLars, your inclusion of "LOTS" of others even gave it more weight and credibility. A good whine will often speak for "LOTS" of others. :D
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qoute--
"I am sooooo scared of change!"
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get a grip. Why dont you just go download a pirated copy of airwarrior 2 and play with yourself.
Quit, shutup, give contsuctive help to the great guys that took the time to build it, or by all means, again, shutup.
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hey, i got quibles with the map. all the bases are too high, even the coastal bases. try taking off from a mountain base with a heavy pony. i also think the contries should be distributed with each in thier own slice.
but my frame rates are the same, and i can find a furball when i want to. can also run some small unit 'milk runs' that end up in some fun little 3 v 3 type missions.
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Originally posted by Duedel
ur post is a little bit to pathetic u know? :D
Whether you belive it to be pathetic or not that doesn't change the FACT that a significant portion of the AH player base isn't happy with the current map.
Since this forum is here for the discussion of things concerning AH, I strongly feel that people who post their negative comments here are doing a valuable service to HTC by letting them know what the "darker" side of the player base feels, and many have sugested ways to fix the current situation.
Being a "yes man" isn't the way to change and improve things in AH or RL.
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Originally posted by MrLars
Being a "yes man" isn't the way to change and improve things in AH or RL.
Neither is harsh criticism which most of us tend to ignore and/or resent.
The best way to improve things in AH is build a better map. Have you started yet?
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MrsLars ;) u noticed the little ":D" at the end of my post?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Well done MrLars, your inclusion of "LOTS" of others even gave it more weight and credibility. A good whine will often speak for "LOTS" of others. :D
Go aheah and slap your hands over your ears and repeat after me..."LaLaLaLa"...now see, no whines heard so there MUST be no problem at all and EVERYBODY must just love the new map!
BTW, a very nice job on the map, it needs some tweaks but the most important "tweak" will be a 3x increase in the player base.
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Little tip for u AK's. Don't even think about replying on posts regarding ur work. I know it's hard but I guess its better. Sry for that.
AK's even though ur bish .
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Originally posted by MrLars
Go aheah and slap your hands over your ears and repeat after me..."LaLaLaLa"...now see, no whines heard so there MUST be no problem at all and EVERYBODY must just love the new map!
BTW, a very nice job on the map, it needs some tweaks but the most important "tweak" will be a 3x increase in the player base.
You seem to be assuming that I now have more control over what map is in the MA than you. Guess what, I don't.
BTW, Thanks
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Originally posted by AKIron
The best way to improve things in AH is build a better map. Have you started yet?
This is one thing that irks me and I've seen it all too often in these threads...
Not to fear, there are people, myself included, that are exploring the terrain editor now because of the current situation. I guess that is one of the good things this map has done for this community.
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Originally posted by MrLars
This is one thing that irks me and I've seen it all too often in these threads...
Not to fear, there are people, myself included, that are exploring the terrain editor now because of the current situation. I guess that is one of the good things this map has done for this community.
Know what ya mean, "irk" is a powerful motivator. :D
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Originally posted by AKIron
You seem to be assuming that I now have more control over what map is in the MA than you. Guess what, I don't.
BTW, Thanks
You lost me on this one. Where do I imply that you have any control over what map is used? There is ONLY one map in the MA right now and nobody has control over which map is used except for HTC, and the balls in their court now.
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Originally posted by Dago
Just l
I am going out of town tommorow, wont have a chance to play for about 10 days. If that pizza map hasn't been replaced or rotated at least by the time I get back, I think it will be time to close my account.
The game wont suffer due to the lose of one player like myself anyway.
Dago
Amen, one less "If yall dont listen to me i'll take my ball and go home" really, really wont be missed. Just dont be like Alec baldwin and say "if GWB wins the election i'll leave the country and not come back" but not really do it. Cause thats what I think you are all about. A bag of hot air and a immature brat. But feel free to prove me wrong, Quit. Or wait i'll still be right, rofl...
:cool:
FASTER! THE DOORS GONNA WOP YAS!!!!
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Originally posted by MrLars
You lost me on this one. Where do I imply that you have any control over what map is used? There is ONLY one map in the MA right now and nobody has control over which map is used except for HTC, and the balls in their court now.
Ah well, to ya MrLars and happy flyin'
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Originally posted by infrared
I am with Dago 100%. It's a dollar vote. We can vote for by paying or we can vote no by not paying. Whining it is not. Calling some one a whiner
Like Dago, if something doesn't change soon I will leave and spend my entertainment dollars where I will get more satisfaction. WWII online is starting to look good to me.
Infrared
awesome one more little girl takes her barbie and stomps home. Maybe if all the whiners would"really" quit the world would be a better place
Oh my money is on yer just another bigmouth who goes nowhere also.... :eek:
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Isnt it sad how things work out?
GWB didnt win any election, he was chosen by the supreme court (in fact he lost by 543,895 votes). So we are stuck with one more baldwin. Talk about the raunchy end of the stick.
Beyond this, i dont think a map shaped like pizza, dumbo, or even one shaped like a uterus, is ever going to make the whiners really take there ball elsewhere.
I do wish the terrain editor was a little more easy to understand. I have tried it, and it is not that intuitive. Maybe this is something a group of go getters like the AK could do. Give HTC some really great tips on how to quickly and easily change the editor to a more understandable system? Perhaps one that is the equivilant of 'and idiots guide to making AH maps'
Something where you couldnt be too creative, but still produce something nice in a couple of weeks. Which could then be 'tweaked' by somebody with a real clue on how to do it.
lit cited:
http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2000/prespop.htm
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You guys crack me up, really.
My statement wasnt a threat, its just where I am at right now. I am reevaluating whether to keep my account based on my level of fun. I dont find this map fun. Why should I keep playing? Everyone will agree I am sure that I should quit if I dont enjoy the game. That is all I am saying, I know full well HT wont be strongarmed into changing, and I wouldnt bother with a threat.
But, I do think HT deserves to know what the players are thinking, and even those who are considering leaving.
I tried not to be too critical and rather state how I feel about the current situation.
Maybe I shouldnt have posted my original post, after all it just reflects an email I sent to HTC mentioning my feelings. Alot of changes take a long time to get used to. This map, in my opinion just doesnt fit the game right now.
I will try it a little more yet, but I logged off last flight so disgusted I didnt have any enthusiasm about the game at all.
For anyone considering mentioning me needing a trainer, I dont need a trainer. Well, I wouldnt mind working with Drex on ACM, but I know how the game works. I was a trainer myself. I know about shutting off stuff to make the map clearer.
I cant off the top of my head remember any one single change to this game that seemed to be unpopular as the oversize pizza map.
I am going to resist the temptation to call everyone names who disagrees with me, seems silly when others do it.
Dago
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Originally posted by ergRTC
Isnt it sad how things work out?
GWB didnt win any election, he was chosen by the supreme court (in fact he lost by 543,895 votes). So we are stuck with one more baldwin. Talk about the raunchy end of the stick.
http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2000/prespop.htm
Ever heard of the electoral college?? lol
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Turn off all map icons. Very easy to see the dar bar and where the fights are.
Highlight squadmates name, click goto.
Highlight another persons name you know is fighting, click goto.
If all else fails, zoom the map in.
Yes, this doesn't have the same concentrated quakeball warpfests of prior to 1.10. And this is a bad thing because you guys don't have to fight warping cons now?
But it's kind of funny, you people assume they have another map ready to be introduced into rotation.
If they did, wouldn't it already be in rotation? So basically what I'm getting at is threatening to close your account, or saying "I'm going away for 10 days and things damn well have better changed or I'm leaving", ain't exactly gonna light a fire under HTC's tulips to get these maps done lickety split.
Hasn't even been a f'in week and already people are complaining to leave.
Jebus, get a grip.
-SW
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Not to fear, there are people, myself included, that are exploring the terrain editor now because of the current situation.
Great. Part of what we wanted to accomplish is to get other people over the urban myth that it was impossible to get a user map in the MA. Like our map or not, at least its proven that if you abide by all HTC's constraints and requirements, they are willing to give a player map a try.
The balls in your court now. Show us what you've got. Making your own terrain is a much more constructive way of showing us how you think it ought to be done.
If I can be of any help, let me know.
Regards,
Wab
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Not to hijack completely,
but yes tumor.
The supreme court stopped any recount, so in effect, they selected gw, rather than allow the normal popular election (the one which we all voted in) determine who the electoral college members are that represent each state.
Recounts happen all the time, nothing strange. Heck gw may have won in the recount, at least then he could say he had been elected.
(edit) oh , and I believe we can all be trusted to vote, we should toss that old party faithfulls club anyway.
(edit) Say AK guys, just how long did it take to make the pizza anyway? I personally like it, just curious.
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I will close my account if the p38 g/j is not modelled within 24hrs
:mad:
i can do that 2
now we speaking of terms
:rolleyes: +++++
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Originally posted by Tumor
Ever heard of the electoral college?? lol
Geeze, you guys still mad about that election thing. LOL. Amazing!! The U.S. Supreme court only got involved when the Floriday Court started changing the election rules. Heck you guys had 16 thousand voters who didn't know how to vote. Al Gore lost Tennessee; his Home state, KY; a traditional Democratic state, and WV, another traditional Democratic State. The guy was and is a Liar and Moron. I am really worried about him. Honestly. I think he has lost it.
BTW, we have a republic folks, get over it. Ole Uncle Al will not be there this year to buy you things with other peoples money. You may want to find a job.
Golly, these message boards are more fun than flying. LOL
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hey, i can do this thread hijacking thing, too!
""You may want to find a job.""
good luck finding finding one in herr georgies new economy.
maybe his bud 'kenny boy' lay will hook you up with a gig at enron!
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Originally posted by X2Lee
awesome one more little girl takes her barbie and stomps home. Maybe if all the whiners would"really" quit the world would be a better place
Oh my money is on yer just another bigmouth who goes nowhere also.... :eek:
I'm disappointed in you Lee. Amazing to me that when someone "Dares express their opinion" that instead of addressing the issue they want to attack the messenger. AK, you, and others just don't get it. It's a product lee, that is all. If the product does not perform as we think it should then we have choices. I do not like the design of the map. The bases are too high, the canyons too low, it looks like a Pizza, and their are too many bases for the number of flyers as Whels pointed out. Putting that in a positive light what I am saying is shrink the map some. lower some of base alts and get a little better ratio of players to bases. Right now it is milk runner heaven LOL. Wait Lee, are you a milk runner these days? I know the AK are. I caught them running under dar one day and killed them all. You know that may have given them the idea for this map. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Oh my God, It's all my fault!! LOL,
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I find this "Wait Lee, are you a milk runner these days? I know the AK are. I caught them running under dar one day and killed them all. You know that may have given them the idea for this map." hard to believe.
-SW
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"GWB didnt win any election, he was chosen by the supreme court (in fact he lost by 543,895 votes). So we are stuck with one more baldwin. Talk about the raunchy end of the stick. "
Hmm... Ok.. so, so far... liberals, people from socialist countries and those who won't fly anything but pee 51's like the map... Oh and the guys who drew it up (i think) and even they make excuses for it.
It's an ok map if you are a late war only plane fan or a milkrunner.
lazs
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Originally posted by infrared
Right now it is milk runner heaven LOL. Wait Lee, are you a milk runner these days? I know the AK are. I caught them running under dar one day and killed them all. You know that may have given them the idea for this map. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Oh my God, It's all my fault!! LOL,
I don't ever remember being killed by someone named infrared. I think you exaggerate too much sir.
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I could be wrong but I believe that AKDesert really isn't the only map available. All the old terrains work just fine offline with the new client. Granted, the back end may not work with the older maps but I bet they do.
Since Hitech isn't putting them into rotation presently maybe if all those that are unhappy just whine a little longer and louder Hitech will hear and grant yer wish? Ya think?
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I am not sure about anyone else........however I for one am more of a game person that a Realistic person.
The Map is way to large very hard to get a reset. Not only that but alot of the gv jump points are way to close. I do like the canyons however. As far as the Bombing........ I am not really interested in spending an exhuberant amount of time learning it. I play for the fun of the game. Not to learn how to actually fly a WW2 bomber. I like it as a game. Besides I am not smart enough of patient enough to figure it all out. And I work to much at that and dont have the time to fly. It will definitly set apart the people that have tons of time on thier hands to learn the game. I however rarely have more than 10 hours at the absolute most to play the game. Its to bad how things have worked out. AH is a great game with a bunch of great guys running it. I just dont think I want to spend the time or effort needed to learn how to bomb all over again. I started in AW in 1996 where I flew RR exclusivly..... Spendly because I am a gamer not a Realism guy. Maybe that was my mistake........ But and however I sure hope they get this all worked out for the benifit of the game and its players.
Life is only as good as you make it
Slam (No 54Sq)
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btw, 2 great options out there for you guys that hate pizza.
1. Come to the CT and check it out.
2. Find a nice corner of the pizza to call your own. If you look at the 'whole' pizza and try to figure out whats going on, then you will have problems. I remember back in aw, most squads would work out of a single base in big pac. If you flew somewhere else on the map, you would be a lost pup after a while. I think that is the point of this new big map. It is so large, you find a place you like and call it home.
just a thought.
Looking to the future, I would like to see a map with all arenas in one. Pacific, china, africa, med, europe, eastern front. Would be pretty cool. Bases limited to historical planesets for both sides of course. e.g. if you were in 'germany' europe you could still fly any allied plane, just european ones. Same with the pac, and africa. This would all be on one map though.
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Originally posted by ergRTC
Not to hijack completely,
but yes tumor.
The supreme court stopped any recount, so in effect, they selected gw, rather than allow the
(edit) Say AK guys, just how long did it take to make the pizza anyway? I personally like it, just curious.
well they stopped it on the forth recount anyways
RuhRO my balls gonna get burned fer starting this toejame.....
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
I find this "Wait Lee, are you a milk runner these days? I know the AK are. I caught them running under dar one day and killed them all. You know that may have given them the idea for this map." hard to believe.
-SW
Me too! How dare he! :D Ima moonshine runner :p
Besides, threats are childish, quit, then state yer reasons why.
Much more Manly
I have seven children and I have seen this type of behavoir before ...
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I love the new map, with the icons removed, it's a peice of cake to find the fight, with icons on, you have as much info as anyone could possibly want.
Zooming in and dragging the map around with a left click works fine for me.
I love the new bomber stuff, should alleviate some of the strato buff dweebery at least.
The canyons are an absolute blast to fight in, and the GV war is intense due to the close spawn points.
One thing I have noticed is that it seems to be harder to see cons against the ground textures now...wether that is due to colour or more detail, I dont know, it's just what I 'feel'.
Granted, it could no doubt do with a little 'tweaking' here and there, but I think it is a fine effort AKs, and I think that if people just give it a chance, and a week or two to get used to it, then a lot of the 'problems' will dissappear, or at least ways of getting arround them will surface anyway.
Notice the 'at first i hated it, but now I'm starting to rethink' threads starting to pop up?
Blue
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Originally posted by X2Lee
I have seven children and I have seen this type of behavoir before ...
Jebus Cripes!! SEVEN kids??? X2Lee...you ever hear of TV mate? there are other things to do at night ya know;-)
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Frankly, HTC is a bissness shouldnt be leting players make amatuer maps .. and the pizza map is amatuer ... its a disgrace to the genre and HTC shouldnt have allowed it. end of story the map isnt good enough to deserve money. and all this whiner bs is just a way to cover up how untalented AKs really are. go make h2h maps because your not cut out for ma and i think this was the most unprofessional move HTC has done.
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Timebomb_Man, the map was made to HiTech's requirements.
Git ur fakts strait.
-SW
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whine whine whine .. look who is whining now .. mad because i made fun of your hidious map. dont get mad .. really if you look at the map you made fun of yourself.
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Seriously- how old are you?
-SW
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Timebomb_Man
this is so cool. I've read the whole thread and now seeing this elaborated sophisticated well thought post is the best and shows ur deep knowledge not only of AH but also of the universe.
Thx m8 ur really cool.
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Yeah the map is kinda funky, so thats not a bad thing. The maps even got fun places to fight over like the neopolitan plains, and choco-mountian, and even mold flats. Looks a bit like mars, afriad some sectoid from x-com is gonna jump out and nail my 109 with his plasma rifle. Only big problem is everything is too spread out. I flew for 2 1/2 hours yesterday morning, we got about 8 bases and I only saw 1 con, only 1! One poor 110 came in as we were about to get the eighth base, I swear if my squad leader didnt blow him up I was gonna killsteal that guy! But he was gone before I got there:(
Map needs more targets, I hope that guy dont quit:p
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Originally posted by Pooh21
One poor 110 came in as we were about to get the eighth base, I swear if my squad leader didnt blow him up I was gonna killsteal that guy! But he was gone before I got there:(
Map needs more targets, I hope that guy dont quit:p
ROTFL
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Originally posted by infrared
Geeze, you guys still mad about that election thing. LOL. Amazing!! The U.S. Supreme court only got involved when the Floriday Court started changing the election rules. Heck you guys had 16 thousand voters who didn't know how to vote. Al Gore lost Tennessee; his Home state, KY; a traditional Democratic state, and WV, another traditional Democratic State. The guy was and is a Liar and Moron. I am really worried about him. Honestly. I think he has lost it.
BTW, we have a republic folks, get over it. Ole Uncle Al will not be there this year to buy you things with other peoples money. You may want to find a job.
Golly, these message boards are more fun than flying. LOL
But... Al's so CUTE!! I think he should join up with the YaYa Sisterhood! They need a pres?
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I have no problem with the size of the map. My complaint is the texture of the majority of the terrain. That leopard skin look..or pizza as some call it. I like seeing the spots of pure sand...they look nice, but the other is hideous. Not sure about the water though..I wasnt in the other map long enough to compare.
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What upsets me about this is the brigade who say, 'Just because I don't like it everyone else can't have it' Well I for one love the new terrain. I can go out and find proper 1v1s with the worry of being ganged by a zillion spits. If i want to furball, its there, if i want smaller scale fites they're there too. Just look around a bit find the type of fite you want and dive in.
and thanks to AK's for building this you guys did a great job. Let the begrudgers be damned. Might be an idea for HTC to post one of their polls and lets see just how many people dislike the terrain? A minority I suspect. Might also be an idea for those of you who actually appreciate the hard work that went into this to say so.
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Originally posted by Timebomb_Man
Frankly, HTC is a bissness shouldnt be leting players make amatuer maps .. and the pizza map is amatuer ... its a disgrace to the genre and HTC shouldnt have allowed it. end of story the map isnt good enough to deserve money. and all this whiner bs is just a way to cover up how untalented AKs really are. go make h2h maps because your not cut out for ma and i think this was the most unprofessional move HTC has done.
I sometimes find it mildly amusing to see someone without a pair hide behind a new handle to insult someone else. Don't go away mad Timebomb_Boy, just go away.
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Originally posted by Dago
Heres a fun trick, let your squad tell you what field they are at, and try to find it on the map.
Yeah right, way to jammed with stuff to read field numbers.
Dago
Just highlite a squaddie on the clipboard roster, then hit the GO TO button, Poof, your at the field they last launched from.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I sometimes find it mildly amusing to see someone without a pair hide behind a new handle to insult someone else. Don't go away mad Timebomb_Boy, just go away.
LOL
AkIron that reply took 159 of your valuable keystrokes. Don't you think you'd have been better off picking the fluff from your belly button and wasting your time on a troller like timebomb??
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Standard practice in our squad to say the field we launched from and the field we're going to when asked. Then it's just .move ###
Been doing it this way long before 1.10.
Over 99% of the fields are numbered left to right, top to bottom by rows. If you can find a field close to the number you're looking for then just scan left or right to find a higher or lower numbered field. If you're having trouble reading the field numbers then make the clipboard larger by clicking the +- at lower right.
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Originally posted by Gremlin
LOL
AkIron that reply took 159 of your valuable keystrokes. Don't you think you'd have been better off picking the fluff from your belly button and wasting your time on a troller like timebomb??
Hehe, no doubt you're right Gremlin, but I'm sitting here waiting for a vendor to call me back and my belly button is already defluffed. BTW, did you really count my keystrokes? :D
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Originally posted by AKIron
BTW, did you really count my keystrokes? :D
Hehe, its an option pack I have installed that lets me do a quick word/char count by right clicking on selected text:)
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Recounts happen all the time, nothing strange. Heck gw may have won in the recount, at least then he could say he had been elected.
Selective recounts do not happen all the time, nor do recounts where the rules change until the outcome changes.
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
I find this "Wait Lee, are you a milk runner these days? I know the AK are. I caught them running under dar one day and killed them all. You know that may have given them the idea for this map." hard to believe.
-SW
I know the AKs are fond of stealth raids, but if that were their only consideration, they wouldn't have put the field nearest the southern HQ on a high plateau like they did. The climb required makes it nearly impossible to sneak, which in my humble opinion is not a bad thing. Not every field needs to be sneakable.
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I wish this crap would stop...it's a game.
HTC has grown their offering, update by update since the beginning...nothing has changed that will bring about loss of life or for that matter, anything of any real significance.
If you don't like the new version, that's cool....to come here and vent is cool as well. However, to say I'm quittin or HTC better change it soon or I'm leaving is a little melodramatic IMO.
Say it sucks...say you don't like it...that's all fine. Just try and realize this...HTC will do whatever they need to do to increase their market share, ramp up profits and in general, grow their business. Take a step back, suck up some air and give this new release 30 days...you might find a way to have fun inspite of your initial judgements.
Rude
Head Cheerleader
HTC
:D
Oh...and BTW, you AK's who made this mad mad world we now play in...whatever you do, don't wear you hearts on your sleeves guys...to make this effort, irregardless of whether everyone loves your map or not, garners my respect. To take the time to contribute to our silly pastime speaks volumes more than the most long winded threads....keep on walkin the walk and thanks!
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Honestly, Out of all the gripes and praises. I think Rude has said it all.
Well said Rude
And Great Map AK's
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Originally posted by infrared
Right now it is milk runner heaven LOL. Wait Lee, are you a milk runner these days? I know the AK are. I caught them running under dar one day and killed them all. You know that may have given them the idea for this map
Tour 30: Infrared has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times against the AKcurly squad.
Tour 29: Infrared has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times against the AKcurly squad
Tour 28: Infrared has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times against the AKcurly squad
Tour 27: Infrared has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times against the AKcurly squad
Same for the rest of the tours.
What I'm wondering is why you'd outright lie? Or did you just forget what handle you're currently posting under and what handle you were using at the time?
AKDejaVu
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Ditto Rudes post! (I've been known to cheer lead from time to time)
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Lee...
So, you have 7 children to deal with...think about your poor wife...she has 8 :D .
The Map...
First cudos to AWWabbit for all of his time and effort in creating this map. It isn't an easy task. Now the flaws that everyone is talking about...
Pizza Map - This is the complaint I have heard most often. All I can say about this is SHEESH!!! I doubt seriously if most players see the entire map more than 2 or 3 times in a session. If you do, then you are probably an alt monkey and should call Domino's immediately!! Realistic? No. It is, however, much more balanced than many of the 'realistic' maps.
Map tiles (skins) - An effort has been made to give us something different, ie. a desert terrain. This is a good thing. However, there are a few problems. The fact that many of the tiles are base colored with a very bright color and then flecked with dark spots makes it extremely hard to spot dots against them. The bright color also contributes to the ease with which one can lose icons ( it took me a number of tries at different icon colors before I found something that ALMOST works :) ). Another flaw would be the transition tiles. These are the tiles used to connect all of the tiles together. In many cases, the transitions aren't handled well. Hence, you get areas of terrain that look like "cheap motel carpet". NONE of this is terminal. HT tells me that the brightness problem should be addressed shortly. Wabbit, just a suggestion...Nuttz has made some really nice tiles for his terrains (COD, can't believe I'm sayin something nice about Nuttz :D ). You might want to ask his advice.
Map too big - This depends on your perspective (pun intended :D ). The previous maps we were using were designed for a max of about 250 players. During peak times, I have seen nearly twice that number. Instead of threatening to quit...recruit more new players :D .
Fields too far apart - HT set the max distance between fields at 1.5 sectors (about 35 miles). In a few cases, the max distance was used. In many more, the fields are as close as 5 miles. Load up the old terrains offline and check. You should find that the distance between fields has not changed (perspective :D ).
In summation... the majority of the problems that people are complaining about are not real problems. They are perspective based misconceptions . I am sure that the REAL problems (ie. the terrain tiles) will be addressed shortly.
Once again Wabbit, thanks for your effort. There are as many out here that appreciate it as don't :) .
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1st and formost...
A big to the AK's for working so hard on this map. I'm sure many, many hours were spent working on this monstrosity (I say that in a good way, cuz this thing is friggin huge :D).
Secondly -
When I first logged in on Saturday and saw the map, my first response was, and I quote "WTF is this???!!??" After fumbling around for 10 minutes looking for a fite, I logged in frustration after 2 flights, absolutely HATING the map, and cursing.
However, being the AH junkie that I am, I logged in later that evening and flew about 7 straight hours (my fanny still hurts), most of the time without DAR (rooks). I started finding that the map kinda grew on me. I still think it is a little on the large side, but has some pretty good potential.
I like the fact that there are multiple fronts for every country which changes the strategy for everyone. Give the map a chance before screaming about quiting cuz "the map sucks"
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Originally posted by AKIron
Well done MrLars, your inclusion of "LOTS" of others even gave it more weight and credibility. A good whine will often speak for "LOTS" of others. :D
I happen to agree whole heartedly with him. His "LOTS" is his way of not metioning his squad. You won't be seeing very many MOL on till we get a smaller map. I like the AK's map fine. I love all the new features. I "HATE" the frikking size of it though just like about 99% of my squad. It's to damn big and you can't find a damn fight. Nuff said.
I like Dago will refrain from spending much time in it.
LLB OUT!!!!!!
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Originally posted by llbm_MOL
I happen to agree whole heartedly with him. His "LOTS" is his way of not metioning his squad. You won't be seeing very many MOL on till we get a smaller map. I like the AK's map fine. I love all the new features. I "HATE" the frikking size of it though just like about 99% of my squad. It's to damn big and you can't find a damn fight. Nuff said.
I like Dago will refrain from spending much time in it.
LLB OUT!!!!!!
Free country :)
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.... the first thing some ppl do is critisizing it to trash. sure .. the map is big, but isn't it that what we wanted to have ? .. a bigger map ? Same happended when HT anounced the Val.
Why the hell cant we bring some positive touchin in all that.
What seriouls starts to turn my balls on that bbs is the constant whining and low level critisism. By caylling the map a "amateur" map its not quiet fair to those who made it, even when i looks like pizza.
no further comment
airmess
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Originally posted by llbm_MOL
I happen to agree whole heartedly with him. His "LOTS" is his way of not metioning his squad. You won't be seeing very many MOL on till we get a smaller map. I like the AK's map fine. I love all the new features. I "HATE" the frikking size of it though just like about 99% of my squad. It's to damn big and you can't find a damn fight. Nuff said.
I like Dago will refrain from spending much time in it.
LLB OUT!!!!!!
If you need someone to hold your squadrons hand, feel free to log into Knitland and we'll find a fight for you, you can follow us. Let me know!
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Originally posted by llbm_MOL
like about 99% of my squad. It's to damn big and you can't find a damn fight. Nuff said.
I like Dago will refrain from spending much time in it.
LLB OUT!!!!!!
Its easy as hell to find a fight on this map. Im sorry but yall are
so full of it.
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I think gameplay on the new map is starting to sort itself out. Me and a couple other MOL Had a nice little 3v5 fight going on for a while. Might not qualify as a furball, but sure was fun. In fact, I enjoy the smaller fights more than the 30v30 furballs.
But that's just me.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If you need someone to hold your squadrons hand, feel free to log into Knitland and we'll find a fight for you, you can follow us. Let me know!
Don't go funny on me Rip. Sheesh it's always the guys with the muscles.....
We'll talk about it in four weeks Rip. I'm sure we will get the lowdown on the next step in AH at the CON. I really hope they do something about it as I don't have very much fun in this MA. Fun is what its all about to me. You can look up my score and see the sorties I have flown over the July 4th weekend. I put in the time to make sure it wasn't just a one day thing. I only had fun a few hours outta all the hours I flew. Most of my squad and I included like the quick ezy to access furball. We had it in 1.09 and now we've lost it in 1.10. We want it back. Its the type of flying we all enjoy. This new MA might as well be the friggin CT. We don't fly the CT for a reason....we dont like it.:rolleyes:
LLB OUT !!!!!!!!!!!
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Too bad, the CT is great, has a little more respectability!
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Yesterday (Monday, Australian time) I took the day off work so that I could play during peak hour (sunday night, US time). There were 400+ players online, and I had some of the best fights so far in AH. When the server is full, the new map is supurb!! There is enough space for all kinds of action, from milkrunning bases, gv only fights, all the way to huge furballs.
I just wish there was some way to compress the action a bit more for the normal times that I play, when there are usually 60-80 people online.
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It's time to open the kindergartens again.
infrared and timebomb need some care.
:rolleyes:
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LLBM, my old friend, please dont speak for me. Maybe I am that 1%, but I am not boycotting anything. I do think this arena is too big for the number of users that are usually loged in. But I have flown more in 1.10 than I did in 1.09, and like most of the changes this map represents. This map is the best one since beta, the MA is NOT for realism types anyway. The colors don't seem to bug me like they do others. I love having high-alt bases, and I love the canyons and the balanced geography. I also like the dots being harder to pick up, ever try to see a dull painted plane one kilometer below you while in flight?
I also LOVE the CT, I don't fly there much because there's seldom many people in it and never anyone in it that I can wing with.
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Bring the CT's icons into the MA!
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Edbert sometime when you have the time check out the ct on tues and thurs night, thats when my squad, VF27 Hellcats, and a few others fly, its a great time. If you would like to join a ct squad you can do so and still remain with your ma squad too, always looking for quality pilots in the ct. Right now there is a new IJN squad forming in the ct the 27th Sentai, sure you can find it in the squads section of the BB, if that is not your kink of plane we could always use a good stick in the Hellcats. Not trying to recruit you away from the MOL just giving you a few options.
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Originally posted by popeye
I think gameplay on the new map is starting to sort itself out. Me and a couple other MOL Had a nice little 3v5 fight going on for a while.
You're right about the gameplay sorting out Pops. I put in a bit of time the past few days and although my original squeakes with this map haven't changed, the MA has started to mature a into a very fun and playable arena.
Maybe adjusting the fuel modifier a bit would help , along with some other tweaks.
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Just a note to give the AK's and HTC a HUGE
for all their hard work and more importantly for all the crap they've been taking lately. I am truly amazed at the amount of grief thrown at a group who has spent hours and hours trying to make our community better. Ok, maybe there needs to be tweeks here and there. That is all they are are tweeks. We all learn by trying things new. Seeing what works and what doesn't. I think we all should be grateful that the whole community gets to work on new things when they come out and not have them stuck in a beta mode for months. Suggestions and opinions are wonderful if they are in a constructive tone. The AKs and HTC have worked their butts off and don't deserve the crap.
Thanks guys!
My $.02
Coach
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I don't understand some of the complaints here.:confused: I have never had a truly difficult time finding a fight on the new map. Even on the very first night, things were spread out, but I was still able to find several bomber formations to destroy. I tend to stay away from the densely populated areas, but when I want to join a nice big furball, I can usually find an area of hot activity. I think it is great that you can choose the fights you get into. Last night was a great example; I wanted to participate in a ground war. I spent the first couple of hours capturing V70, which had a nice combined Air/Ground defense going. After that, our squad searched the map for some bases for Jabo runs. After the first couple of bases, I searched the map for a place where I could really mix it up. Not far away was a sector with a real heated battle going on. I ended up logging off, but if I had the time, I'm sure I would have joined the battle raging in that corner of the world. Every night I am on, I see similar activity. I think it is refreshing to be able to avoid the dense battles of the old maps if you want to. On the other hand, I certainly have not had a hard time finding a fight on the new map either.
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100% agree Coach!
HTC deserves to be treated better than this.
Even after 15 years of software development, I know I could not design and develop a game like this, and I'm pretty sure most of the folks on this board don't even have a clue where to begin.
It's easier to critize than do.
I'm really disappointed with the whiners and the complainers.
I saw this same thing happen on Everquest. the Developers opened a board for feedback and discussion and it ended up as a squeak session for loosers who don't have a life other than to critize other people's work.
Guess what, the board was shut down - it was more noise than signal - and not worth the time and effort to maintain.
HTC thanks for the great game!
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tracerx... if you have ever hunted (or even had anything to do with) buffs then we will probly never agree on what a "fight" consists of.
let's just leave it at this.... you have no idea of what I like to do and what I consider fun or even "finding a fight" so for you to say that I am wrong when i say that I can't find a fight is ridiculous.
lazs
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he nailed the toe with the hammer that time!
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damn oh well.. post 101!!
SKurj
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:rolleyes: To those so stupid, :rolleyes:
I have been playing this game for a while now and YES I LIKE IT!!! The thing I dont get is all the complaining about "this map is to big" "what I have to calibrate my bombsite" or "I have to fly forever to get anywhere". Let me tell ya something. This is a video game, not real life, ya ya I know kiss my ass. Well HTech and crew try to make seem like its real as can be. This I think is pretty neat, considering all some of you want to do is kill kill kill. This is ok but, there is more to it than kill kill kill. Hmmmmm..... Well I seem to be wasting my time because you are sitting there saying kiss my ass, bite me and a lot of stupid words you can think of. Getting to the point DONT BASH A GOOD GAME!!! You really have no room to talk because you didn't create it!!! So anyway enough from me. Keep up the good work High Tech. Good Hunting
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zeroping... you appear to be havinfg touble with analodgies.. The 'smashing yoiur toe with a hammer" comment was meant to imply that if you found the current MA boring then going to the CT would be like smashing your toe with a hammer in order to cure a headache. The obvious is that the CT will always be more boring and have less action than the MA so there is no point. The CT will also be axis vs allied so..... less variety.. moving there increases your pain if you like good fights that are easy to find and have action and variety.
An "area arena" would not cause any more "pain" in the arena for anyone but could be of enormous value. If you found no value in it then you could continue on as allways with no extra pain involved for anyone.
so... let me be the first to point out that, your comment is far from being clever. In fact, it is pretty lame. The fact that you have resorted to it on 3 occassions would imply that you are both lame and dimwitted.
lazs
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Actually paying 14.95 a month gives everybody a right to voice there opinions.Preferably without being labeled a winer.I just recieved squad e mail saying Hajo is looking into other flight sims.His arguments are not only valid but seem to be developing a grassroots following.I have no clue as to whats involved in making a map but I have to say for the most part the pizza map is a great effort.Other than the GV's being tough to see and a few other things this is one great pieca work.Now the problem is those of us like Hajo and myself log on in the am EST USA and there is a 1 hour waiting time to find any kind of a fight.Then you have to sector jump indefinetly to chase them.My joystick went out on me and Im not jonesin a bit.I get home at 6am log on and theres maby 30 people on in MA most in GV's sneaking maps or milkrunnin bases.This map doesnt cut it with low numbers and therein lies the problem.What works fine for the masses on at night really doesnt provide the same amusement in the am.I like you AK's.Always have so dont take this as personal.This map at this time in the games hystory is all wrong in an overall scence.Nothing is ever going to be perfect for everyone at once but the offset of enjoyable gameplay between night and day is to big.Those thinking about going to another game wont affect the ones that fly at night and have no problems finding fights.But there will possably be a ghost town effect in the early hours.I dont think anyone wants that.This map half the size it is now would make a big diffrence.We just dont have the player base to pack it all the time.
1 note about telling people where you are.Tell them the sector you are in.They can find the base easily.
Thats my 2 cents worth.
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The numbers I've seen in the MA have been pretty much the same as before 1.10. Hardly killing this online Sim.
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Hmmm.......rain
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The numbers I've seen in the MA have been pretty much the same as before 1.10
Yes Tumor if you look at my times, I've spent 5 hours in there. 4 1/2 hours looking for the good time of the old maps and a half hour jumpin into a fight that by time I found it, didnt care much. Followed by another log out.
I TRY every day. I just not working.
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The numbers may be the same but I would bet the amount of time spent IN the MA has dropped some.