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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lazs1 on September 22, 2001, 10:41:00 AM
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Why not? Non perked. Anyone who wants to strap a rocket on his bellybutton should be able to. They really wouldn't be much good as fighters or fighter interceptors but....
suicide buff killers supreme... A guy could furball to his hearts content and then when he seen a lone, attention starved suicide buffer lumbering over his field in order to drop the fighter hangers, spoil the fite and lumber off or die.... He could simply grab a 163, blast on up there and kill said annoying and unrealistic buff in a timeframe that is usefull (BEFORE the FH's are dropped).. Better yet... some would find this "fun" so I wouldn't have to personally do it.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs1:
Why not? Non perked. Anyone who wants to strap a rocket on his bellybutton should be able to. They really wouldn't be much good as fighters or fighter interceptors but....
suicide buff killers supreme... A guy could furball to his hearts content and then when he seen a lone, attention starved suicide buffer lumbering over his field in order to drop the fighter hangers, spoil the fite and lumber off or die.... He could simply grab a 163, blast on up there and kill said annoying and unrealistic buff in a timeframe that is usefull (BEFORE the FH's are dropped).. Better yet... some would find this "fun" so I wouldn't have to personally do it.
lazs
Get a grip... other than that, sure, bring it!
:D
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lol lazs
cmon htc, sometimes we all need a rocket stuck up..er, strapped to our ass.
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Me-163? Not before Meteor III, please.
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Absolutely!
Although, it must be said that the fuel multiplier will make it interesting.
You get in, hit the button, take off, get to 4,000 feet and the thing sputters and dies.
:D
If Buffing were made more interesting (challenging bombsight, for example; exciting and rewarding targets that need 4 bombers to put a dent in them, really fancing explosion graphics), that might help too.
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Im all for it! Make the Me-163's weapons NOT work until past 25k.
This would be perfect anti-strato buff bs problem.
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I think you mean 40,000 feet, but I could be wrong.
Didn't they carry something like 6 minutes of fuel?
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lazs if you honestly think an un perked me163 would be used only to intercept 30k b17s then you are mistaken.
unperked the me163 would be used at every vulched field, every place where the enemy is high or even low but higher than you.
it would be as bad as the chog.
perke dit would be a neat and rare wepon like the ta152
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Meteor III? The only Meteor to see some kind of action during the war was the MK.I, and it only saw actions against V's. The Me163 on the other hand got a few bomber kills.
Add the Meteor Mk.1, np with that.
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Yes Kieren, 6 minutes of fuel is enough to get that rocket to 40k :)
As far as using it as a base defense/chog like plane, thats why I said to have its gun be active ONLY after 25k.
Otherwise it would be extremely unbalancing.
The only way it could be used as base defense in this scenario would be if its used to RAM other planes.. and we know hard it is for a super fast plane to ram a slow plane (that can turn lazily and evade lol).
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Yeah sure why not :) Bring on the rocket (or the 'Komet' ?) :D And what about 'Wasserfal' and 'Schmeterling' radar guided surface to air missile defence systems for HQs? If my info is correct those systems have seen action during WW2 (although limited) but it would make the gameplay more interesting and it would increase the need of more buffs actually making it to the HQ... And now flame me to death :p
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I'm sorry Wilbus, but you're wrong. :)
No. 616 Squadron was the first operational fighter squadron to be equipped with the Meteor F Mk.1, on 12 July 1944.
Like all squadrons operating the type, their complement of Mk.1s were replaced by Mk.III by January 1945, at which point they were despatched to the 2nd Tactical Air Force in Belgium.
20 Mk.1s were built during WW2, compared to 210 Mk.IIIs.
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I meant 4,000 feet. I was exaggerating, of course.
6 min of fuel at 2.5X fuel mult = 2 minutes, 24 seconds of fuel. Give it a 30 sec takeoff roll, and two minutes at optimum climb, and you might hit 15k before running out of gas.
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Yep - with the fuel burn multiplier you might hit about 20k, if you're lucky(Messerschmitt figures say 2'27" to 6km).
Real life ceiling of the Me 163B was about 51,000ft. :eek:
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Feeling nostalgic Lazs?
What ver of WB was the pic below of anyway?
After reading the story behind the Me 163 in WB, it kinda explains any hesitation by HT or Pyro to add it to AH :)
(See http://dns.mikrobitti.fi/~jukkak/wb/eastereggs/eastereggs.htm (http://dns.mikrobitti.fi/~jukkak/wb/eastereggs/eastereggs.htm) for more info)
(http://dns.mikrobitti.fi/~jukkak/wb/eastereggs/egg-163-1.gif)
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BTW what's the .plane # for the HUNDRED FOOT PARATROOPERS from last year's CON?
I can't remember, the number, but I bet the TROOPER is still somewhere in the code :D
Like to use him offline, with his beer bottle, pizza tossin' armament.
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The Me 163 can't dogfight so the idea of it being used as base defense is obsurd. It has a hard time hitting bombers, due to fast closure speed and aimming of cannon, so how the hell is it gonna hit fighters?
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Me 163 would be perfect for the perk system. I'd love to see it.
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Wasnt it 34 milenko...or was it 31? Cant remember...
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The 163 will be used by HTC for HQ/City defense ... just a wild guess hehehe.
Frenchy, son of Miss Cleo.
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Dowding, what I said, wa sthe Mk.1 was the only one to see action, and it was againt V1 bombs.
The Mk.III, as you said, saw operational service, even on the other side of the channel, and it was produced in more numbers, BUT it never saw any action, not even against V1 bombs (V1's were pretty gone by that time).
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Hi All,
I think the Komet would work nicely if only based at the HQ, The HQ is still (As far as I know) the only target which still requires more than a single buff to take it out, A few 163's scrambled against an incoming buff formation would be cool. I would not however like to see it available at other bases.
TTFN
snafu
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The Meteor MkIII was used for some strikes on German positions, IIRC.
The Meteor MkI would hardly even be a perk plane, probably in the 5 to 10 point range.
The Meteor MkI had a top speed of 408mph.
The Meteor MkIII had a top speed of 480mph.
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Yup bring it on, as a HQ defence plane only! :)
(http://www.btinternet.com/~nexx/163.jpg)
Regards
Nexx
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Shoving a rocket up my a*** ... are you MAD ? :D
That's something that owes to interrest Santa though, maybe one of those french launchers should induce enough lift to , err....
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All jets/rockets must be perked. They were jut too rare in the whole picture of WW2 not to be perked.
The only jet that should really be in AH is the Me262.
If you must have have an Allied jet to please the Allies it should be the Meteor.
I really feel the Me262 is the only really representative jet of WW2.
Its the only one that saw any real significant service use, had by far the most WW2 production and is the only one to actually attack and fight against real planes.
The Me163 is very very rare as well, this is far less likely and less representative of WW2.
AH only really needs the Me262. All other jets or the Me163 are irrelevant as far as WW2 is concrened.
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GRUNHERZ,
So is the Ta152, but it is in as a perk plane.
Admittedly the Ta152 polygon model can borrow a lot from the Fw190D-9 polygon model whereas the Me163 and Meteor would require completely new models.
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I agree Karnak, and have often said that Im uncomforable with the Ta152s inclusion in AH, perked or otherwise. Its simply too damn unimportant.
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Dr. Langweiler, the inventor of the Panzerfaust one-man-anti-tank weapon, proposed a revolutionary armament which, he claimed, would virtually guarantee a hit and probably a "kill" by even the most inexperienced pilot. This weapon, which was known as SG 500 Jagdfaust, was simply a thin 50-mm. high-explosive rocket propelled shell housed in a vertical tube and fired by means of a light sensitive cell activated by the shadow of the bomber. Five tubes were installed in each wing, some 30 in. from the fuselage and sprayed fanwise, and it was proposed that the Me 163B should fly beneath the target bomber at maximum speed, the vertical separation being 65 to 300 ft. The Jagdfaust was tested by flying an Me 163B beneath a canvas target suspended betwen two balloons, and successfull results with these trials were followed by an actual test in combat, Leutnant Fritz Kelb actually destroying B-17 Fortress by use of the Jagdfaust.
Why not ? :D
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naa.. guys. I want the damn thing in AH and unperked. I can't imagine it being much good as a fighter interceptor. If you dodge it once you never have to worry about it again. Well worth it to see it reach out and blast a big ol fat suicide buffer before he drops.
I got no use for the 262 tho and think it is a horrible mistake in the ma.
lazs
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That's version 1.11, probably the pinnacle of WB development.
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Perk it -- and make it cost "bomber" instead of "fighter" points.
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That's version 1.11, probably the pinnacle of WB development.
Ah, yes, v1.11r2.....Memories, doo-bee-doo-bee-doo-bee-dooo0..... :)
Those were the days, eh Kieren?
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fuel multiplier = 2 in the MA
SKurj