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Title: Name This...(291)
Post by: brady on July 09, 2002, 06:31:30 PM

???

Title: Re: Name This...(291)
Post by: RRAM on July 09, 2002, 06:34:27 PM

French carrier "Bearn"

Title: Name This...(291)
Post by: Airscrew on July 09, 2002, 07:36:25 PM

USS Lexington CV-2

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Post by: Maverick on July 10, 2002, 01:46:39 PM

USS Langley??:confused:

Title: Name This...(291)
Post by: gofaster on July 10, 2002, 01:56:30 PM

Looks like the Langley to me.

Title: Name This...(291)
Post by: Airscrew on July 10, 2002, 02:21:57 PM

I can't go with USS Langley, I got a picture somewhere, I think the Langley was the first Flatop, and it was flat, no Island or funnel, but that was an old picture and it may have been modified later.
I'll waggle alittle and say still USS Lexington but add  USS Saratoga, both built on converted crusiers I think 1921-22.

AirScrew

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Post by: Gloves on July 10, 2002, 02:29:53 PM

I don't think it's the Lexington or Saratoga.  It's missing the 8-inch guns for that.  My guess is a Japanese light carrier - just a guess at Ryujo.

Glove

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Post by: RRAM on July 10, 2002, 02:41:12 PM

Ryujo was also flush-deck, and much smaller than the Carrier in the pic (the french "bearn" ;)).

In fact the Ryujo was intended to be under the 10.000 ton line so it could be built out of the washington treaty tonnage limitation

According to that treaty a carrier was a ship displacing more than 10k tons, so the japanese took advantage of this loophole by building a ship which nominally displacced less than that ammount, so its tonnage won't count for the total.

In the end the ship was a disaster, and had to go through a thorough rebuild which increased its displacement over the 10k mark.


WEll summing it up, no, it's not ryujo :D

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Post by: Kevin14 on July 10, 2002, 02:51:16 PM

It looks like a British carrier, not sure though, btw, what is the cv in AH modelled after?

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Post by: RRAM on July 10, 2002, 02:58:24 PM

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Originally posted by Kevin14
It looks like a British carrier, not sure though, btw, what is the cv in AH modelled after?

AH's CV is modelled after an Essex-Class CV.


And if that thing looks like a British carrier then I'm Roger Rabbit :D

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Post by: Gloves on July 10, 2002, 03:02:34 PM

Hiya Roger!  :p   Just kidding, but couldn't resist.

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Post by: Red Tail 444 on July 10, 2002, 03:21:13 PM

I believe it's italian, but it's definitely not US or IJN..I dont think we or they painted our CVs white

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Post by: Airscrew on July 10, 2002, 03:39:18 PM

OK, did some looking around and agree with Rams first answer
French Carrier Bearn

http://www.history.navy.mil/download/car-12.pdf

The only carrier France completed before the start of WW2.

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Post by: whgates3 on July 10, 2002, 03:52:16 PM

sure does look like the Lexington:
(http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/images/usa/cv2-3.jpg)

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Post by: Airscrew on July 10, 2002, 03:56:58 PM

Yep at first I would say it was the Lexington, CV2 the first one,
but compare pics not the same.  Still agree with RRam its the Bearn.

the Lexington was prettier though,  compare the funnel and island

AirScrew

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Post by: whgates3 on July 10, 2002, 04:05:39 PM

...well that didn't work as planned...URL for pic is http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/images/usa/cv2-3.jpg

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Post by: whgates3 on July 10, 2002, 04:10:15 PM

ok - now pic shows up for me & i feel like twice as much of a moron...whos going to count up the port holes on both pics to see if they are the same CV?

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Post by: Airscrew on July 10, 2002, 04:52:12 PM

USS Saratoga was built same time as Lexington and I think same plans.

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Post by: Airscrew on July 10, 2002, 04:53:31 PM

Another shot of Saratoga

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Post by: Airscrew on July 10, 2002, 04:54:27 PM

and one more of the Saratoga,  similar to Lexingtion CV2,
Brady's pic is of the Bearn, French carrier.
Sorry couldnt edit out the plane, now cajun will hijack the thread for biplanes

AirScrew

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Post by: BenDover on July 10, 2002, 04:54:38 PM

who ever designed it must've been an idiot, the ramp goes down instead of up!


I'm guessing french:p

and as tom pointed out, it can't be the Lexington, look at the bow, the ramp thing there is flat, not going up or down

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Post by: brady on July 10, 2002, 05:45:51 PM

Bearn, it is:)

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Post by: Pei on July 10, 2002, 09:15:30 PM

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I think the Langley was the first Flatop

HMS Argus was the first flat-top (1918 - she was converted from an Italian merchant vessel).
HMS Furious was the first operational carrier (1917: forward deck only - converted from a cruiser ).

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Post by: Airscrew on July 10, 2002, 09:21:08 PM

Thanks Pei,  I guess its just the American in me but I was thinking USS Langley as the First 'American" Aircraft carrier, never really other countries, 20 years of military training will do that sometimes.

AirScrew

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Post by: Pei on July 10, 2002, 09:28:06 PM

Hehe
We Brits invented a lot of things; aircraft carriers, football, cricket. It just took other countries to actually do them right :)

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Post by: whgates3 on July 11, 2002, 02:17:42 AM

The movie "Task Force" has some good USS Langley footage in it - as well as all sorts of other cool combat footage - the movie ain't bad either