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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DanielMcIntyre on November 07, 2001, 04:56:00 AM
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Recently I posted a new thread addressing the issue of unfair game play in the MA (gangbanging). After perusing the various replies I have come to the conclusion that at least in this particular community of online sim players, voicing an opinion which is not in line with the general population is met with scorn and derision.
However being an individual prevents me from simply going along with the "shuddup you whiner" philosophy which is most prevalent on the BBS. I have the confidence and the individuality to come to my own conclusions and don't feel that I have to conform to fit into the narrow minded ideals of the many.
So if you don't like my posts, then please don't read them, I’m really not interested in your ideas if those ideas primarily feature the word "Whiner", "Dweeb" or are simply derogatory or intended to annoy.
Special mention must go the Rude and his childish whine of the week award. Rude surely you have better things to do then try to embarrass or humiliate people on the BBS or are your posts simply an attempt to remove focus from yourself.
Psychologically an attempt to belittle another is internally an attempt to make oneself feel more comfortable. This need to feel more comfortable stemming directly from feelings of inadequacies buried within oneself.
Anyhow whatever it is Rude, you can feel assured that it only becomes self evident once a week when you post your whine of the week.
For the rest of the individuals who frequent the BBS, feel free to post your complaints (formerly know as whines) and simply ignore the real whiners who are the ever present whine whiners.
S! and be an individual, not a sheep.
:rolleyes:
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Don't tempt me to the Dark Side Zyg ...
:D
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Shaddup u whiner dweeb.
Conform or we'll beat you!
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What (that whiner) Zygote said.
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So if you don't like my posts, then please don't read them
I have to,,,,,or else i cant judge whether i like them or not ;)
btw zygote i believe it was the hounnor/dont run thread,you refering to.
Dawvgrid
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I used to think this board was unfriendly. Then I spent some time elsewhere. Trust me, this board is nowhere near as unfriendly as other boards not too far away...
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Well not all of you but all the girls who run away like cowards, then turn around when i'm engaged and vulch me. You suck, you have no honor, you are the epitomy of dweebiness. You stink, no, you stink alot!
Sorry to hear that Zygote, nothing personal. Someone answered taking it as a joke, I answered putting a clear ;). Do you really want a serious and costructive reply? Ok, I bite the bait.
If you engage a fast fighter like a Pony or a Fw190 or even a very smart pilot in a not-so-fast a/c the first thing you have to expect is that he'll bug out when in trouble. In the meantime, if your SA is so low that you are bounced by another foe ... how can you cry if the former foe comes back to hit you? The problem is not the unfair former foe ... the problem is that you have got bounced by an incoming bandit you didnt see. And what about squaddies hunting in pairs with loose deuce techniques? Shifting continuously the leader/wingman positions is the core of the hunting tactic.
AH has radar bars, radar dots, a wonderful 6 o'clock view system, fast 1-click 6 o'clock warnings, well working RogerWilco ... hell if you come down on a prey and you get bounced ... well, dont expect mercy. The gameish part of the sim will ever win over chivalry and fair play. Sad but true.
No flame, nothing personal ... enjoy the sim and good hunting!
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: gatt ]
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Yes, I was caught in the conflict of personalities, too. The first post practically invited spurious rebuttals, yet this post comes off sounding intelligent. I decided to take the first post as a joke, as did many others as well...
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What Zygote said..
<S>!
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I report....you decide!
Oh...and Zygote....nice try :)
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[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Rude ]
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zygote... I believe that closer fields would stop some of the gangbanging. Right now.. people can get pretty bored. It seems that every fight you see is either 10 against one or 1 against ten and the one is allways far from home. When he runs he gets an eight plane tail. If there were more and closer fights it wouldn't happen as much.
And yes... if you chase my hog in your spit... I'm gonna run away. If you turn back then so am I. If someone else engages you and forces you to break of I am still gonna turn back and try to kill you before he does. I allways feel best about the kils I get on guys who chase me half a sector.
lazs
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Original post was kinda childish, apologies.
I had just logged off after serious gangbanging session and was kinda annoyed (which does'nt happen very often btw :D ).
Anyhow when I get annoyed I kinda get pyschotically sarcastic (explains smartass comments in post).
So apologies again, although I still stick by my comments above. Constructive criticism / feedback is much much better then dweeb calling, whiner wacking or name calling imo.
Lazs, closer fields would make TnB fighters happy, but I doubt i'd get a P38 or Tiffie up off the ground. I'd imagine there would just be huge low furballs and turbo vulching?
Am0n S!
Rude - commendable restraint ;)
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Originally posted by Kweassa:
Don't tempt me to the Dark Side Zyg ...
:D
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Yet another post where lazs thinks we should all play his way.. :D ;)
Just kidding. Really, people feel that if they are insulted, they must respond in an equal or more harsh fashion because it makes them feel better. Why do you think arguements always escalate into yelling matches? People naturally whine about things they eitnher don't like or want changed. Some go as far as to yell or threaten or otherwise if they don't get there way, and that is human nature. Go with the fact that some people are natural born amazinhunks with only themselves in mind...<G>
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Gee Zygote, I havn't even vulched ya this week! Time for a change of planes for ya I think. :)
Grab a mossie & HO em all for a few days, trust me does wonders for the ego. :)
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DO you fly with wingman zygothe ?
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Originally posted by Zygote:
Special mention must go the Rude and his childish whine of the week award. Rude surely you have better things to do then try to embarrass or humiliate people on the BBS or are your posts simply an attempt to remove focus from yourself.
:rolleyes:
Zygote...
If you take anything someone posts here on the board as an insult... if you think it is possible to be humilliated on a messageboard full of anonimous posters... there are two things you can do...
A - Get a social life. B - Get professional help or, if needed, get both.
There, and I did not say dweep or whiner. :p
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Zygote: you take things too seriously.. "chill out"
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what a fediddlein whiner!!!
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err well yes I do take messages directed towards myself of a negative or insulting nature personally.
Secondly I don't need professional help, I am professional help.
Thirdly I have a great social life, a broad number of associates and a small group of close friends.
I also have a wife, kids and a dog + a couple of goldfish.
Orel, no I don't fly with a wingie, prefer to fly by myself (only have to look after myself).
Mossie idea is great, but I don't like to HO as you should be aware re our previous engagements tiffie vs yak. I don't need an ego boost either, got a huge one :)
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Originally posted by Zygote:
Orel, no I don't fly with a wingie, prefer to fly by myself (only have to look after myself).
Then expect to get banged every time you engage. The only way to avoid it is to go into a fight with equal or greater numbers and that aint gonna happen without wingmen.
I don't need an ego boost either, got a huge one :)
Hmmmm... then why can't you handle negative reactions to your inflammatory/sarcastic posts? Me thinks ego is a bit fragile...
Keep some perspective buddy, you are interacting with others via a keyboard and computer monitor, they won't always be able to tell what mood you are in by the things you type. ;)
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Blue Mako ]
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Zygote, I've flown solo (except when paired with some friends) for most of my online flying career. It can get tiresome. The gangbangs have always been a way of life and are no worse here. They were the optimal situation in RL for that matter. A few tips for what they're worth:
1. SA is all important as Blue Mako said. Look at what is going to happen in 2-3 minutes, not 20-30 seconds, and try to fly with at least even odds (I don't much like to be a banger either for that matter). I've noticed a tendancy on Mindinao (sp?) especially for planes to straggle in an attack, spread out in ones and twos, only to get chewed up piecemeal by the 10 defenders CAPing the base. Wait for a mass to form and join the mass.
3. Fly in a plane that can run if need be if you want a high K/D, and know your escape direction so you don't escape deeper into enemy territory. The Spit is my natural plane (I tend to devolved into a TnBer in spite of my best intentions) just don't plan to land too many kills in it or any slow plane. I'm growing to like the P-51 (at low and med alt no less) more and more.
4. Alt related "e" isn't that important if you are at 25k but suddenly encounter 5v1 odds with the enemy co e or better. Dive into any group of lower friendlies to even the odds (surprising how few people do this and die a few K above where I could lend a hand). Hell, take it all the way to the deck and try to crash them. I've won some 1 v 5 fights and only had to shoot the last plane flying.
For what it's worth,
Charon
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Funny, I only get gangbanged when I MAKE A MISTAKE.
A great WW2 vet (forget the name) once said:
"If you find yourself in a fair fight then you didnt plan it right."
Sounds good to me. I'll vulch, gangbang, ZnB & generally behave like the cad I am. If ya dont like it, be an alt monkey like me.
However, there are times when it's great fun being all alone versus a load. I once dove in on 17 cons chasing 1 friendly.....got 12 of em (Seafire) in a massive TnB furball before someone shot my wing off. Serious fun that was.
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[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Swoop ]
[ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: Swoop ]
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Originally posted by Zygote:
err well yes I do take messages directed towards myself of a negative or insulting nature personally.
Secondly I don't need professional help, I am professional help.
Thirdly I have a great social life, a broad number of associates and a small group of close friends.
I also have a wife, kids and a dog + a couple of goldfish.
Orel, no I don't fly with a wingie, prefer to fly by myself (only have to look after myself).
Mossie idea is great, but I don't like to HO as you should be aware re our previous engagements tiffie vs yak. I don't need an ego boost either, got a huge one :)
Doc, if you didn't get it immidiatly, let me tell you in a more detailed manner.
One day, me and one of my best friends were having some conversations over the net, using MSN. But after a while, we kind of started to annoy eachother. We kind of got into an argument over the net, and we were surprised by the weird attitude of the other person, and didn't like it one bit. And that while we were always so able to talk with eachother. We came to the conclusion that the internet in fact really sucks when it comes to communicating.
Sure you can send messages around the world in seconds. But the internet is in no way able to let people know what kind of person you are. There are several reasons for that.
Internet does not allow you to send mimics to eachother, any other than :) , :( and :mad: . That is not a lot, is it? How can you possibly express how you feel about something using only these faces, without the other person misinterpreting what I'm trying to tell? When I write "my grandma died but at least she went to heaven :(", then am I sad because she went to heaven or because she is dead? Get the point? Good. Lets move on then. (it's a simple example and probably can be discussed but it's not that important)
People might read posts of mine and think "my god this guy must be the most annoying moron out there". And they respond acordingly. And I reply accordingly. And so on, and so on. While if we would have met in real life, he might have been able to see my face and see that I am sincere, or that altough I say such things, I am open for suggestions. Or that I do not mean it in such a radical way as it might sound.
Therefore, when I get insulted over the net, I think "what a shame we cant meet in real life. We could probably have quite a discussion about it and then go have a cold one together". Even when I would get insulted real bad (cant remember that having happened but ok) I wouldn't care, because it is not "in this world". That person online is just a shadow of the real person. And I'm not going to chase shadows.
Phew, a long post, but I hope you're still bearing with me. Ok Doc, get the point? Thats why I said "get a social life". Because when you start taking 'emotional' posts on the internet seriously, you obviously have a lack of contacts in the real world. At least, that's what I think.
I am curious. How does "the professional" think about what I just wrote? Think I might be right? Or am I going to get flamed :D
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Keez, i'm not a pyschologist / pyschiatrist. I was a police officer, have training for emotional distress / trauma counselling etc and a good understanding of pyschology. But don't do that anymore, too stressful :D. I agree with you however that communication without inflection and intonation is difficult and sometimes your true meaning is hidden or misinterpreted.
However, if someone calls me a fediddlein whiner or similiar without the use of these guys i will take offense :) :D ;) :p :cool:
Cya
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