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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Udie on July 12, 2002, 05:47:16 PM
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.... you're like me and think there's going to be a big nasty worst to happen yet world war within the next 2 or 3 years?
I look at history at what happened before both world wars and it's the same type of multi national political B.S. that's been going on for the past few years. When it happens I hope the Russians are on our side again. I hope the only enemies are China, the Arabs, Iran and North Korea.
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You mean sort of like the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s but not nearly as bad?
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Hope that China is an enemy?
Can't share that hope. In a war against China there will be no winner, IMHO.
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Complacency will be your biggest enemy. Why arent the Romans, the Mongols, The Spanish, the Dutch, Napolean and the Brits still ruling the world?
All of them were Super Powers once. Many ruling more of the world than the US has control or allegiances with now. At this time in our history, the US is the greatest Military Power on earth but what would it take to bring them down?
Bad Foriegn Policy or a recession perhaps. Internal strife? History tells us that Super Powers have a limited lifespan with War or other means deciding on new World Leaders. Are you that complacent that you would ask for War against a Country the size of China and risk the Arabic Countries who in my opinion cannot be trusted anyway, changing allegiances for religious or cultural reasons?
The US is powerful but only as powerful as its alliances. It will give someone a huge kick in the prettythang and a bloody nose but short of including itself in self annhilation, it cant take on the world by itself. Remember Vietnam? Many reasons, most of which cannot be anticipated in the hectic whirlpool of War could change the tide of victory. Germany gave it a shot and lost.
Your patriotism is to be admired but dont lace it with complacent stupitidy or it may well be your downfall. At somepoint in the future, however far ahead, there is going to be another all powerful entity on this planet. 10 years, 100 or 1000, it will come.
Perhaps next it will be Chinas turn.
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Originally posted by Udie
I hope the only enemies are China, the Arabs, Iran and North Korea.
I'm pretty sure France will be against you too... for some reason they hate you since you liberated them in 44.
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No understanding the French. :D
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I recently read a book called The Fourth Turning which I highly recommend. It's not a long haired doom mongers tome. It's well written and insightful and makes an interesting and compelling argument about how history repeats itself as it is all tied up in the cycle of human existence. It was written in 1999 and while by no means intended to be apocryphal about 9/11/2001 it does speak to what an nation goes through in a time of great crisis. The 1st 25 pages can be perused for free on amazon. If you have a minute, give it a browse.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0767900464/glance/103-4347811-2849437#product-details
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Sorry..
but where are the parralels with 1914 and 1939? I dont think you supported that contention.
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Originally posted by scspook
Perhaps next it will be Chinas turn.
Nah, Im pretty sure it is Swedens turn.
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If the USA invades Iraq "unprovoked",there will be a big nasty.
I vote no big nasty in next 3 years.
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The only possible World War is a nuclear one.
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The way the last world war ended pretty much guaranteed that there wont be a WW3. We have THE BOMB, and we have proven that we are crazy enough to use it. Other nations are well aware of this. As long as we never push one of them into a "no choice" situation, its unlikely that anyone wants to commit suicide nationally.
I have seen heart felt comments about the heavy burden that the president has, being followed around by the "football". Bull toejam. We the people have the burden. It is up to us to make sure we don't put some fruitcake in the white house, who is going to push some country to that "no choice" point.
There will always be another Caesar wannabe around the next bend. And we will have to help the other free nations knock his dick in the dirt. But it wont take a world war for that.
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Originally posted by scspook
The US is powerful but only as powerful as its alliances.
If they ever stop cooperating, we will enslave them!
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Originally posted by Animal
If they ever stop cooperating, we will enslave them!
So long as you dont make our kids listen to Rap music, wear baggy blue jeans and wear their baseball caps backwards.
..WAIT !!
NNNOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo !!!
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Originally posted by SirLoin
If the USA invades Iraq "unprovoked",there will be a big nasty.
Whew....... at least "provoked" is OK then? :D
No problemo. :D
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Udie.... RELAX. Don't make an ordeal out of LIFE. Just live it (or live with it) :p
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Yeah, go fishing(and take me with).
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Originally posted by Toad
Whew....... at least "provoked" is OK then? :D
No problemo. :D
Tonkin bay, episode two?
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I thought this was an underarm deoderant advertisement or something.
"Raise your hand if you are confident...be SURE."
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to have a world war, you have to have at least one meaningful enemy and front to fight on. Somehow china just doesn't fit the bill. Even if they do invade Taiwan, then what ? Second front opens in Saudi Arabia ? Against whom ?
World of world wars is over for now. Not enough big boys in the park left.
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The Israeli Prime Minister is assasinated by Palestinian dissedents. Israel launches massive conventianal strike in retalliation. Pakistan uses the forthcoming religious rhetoric that follows to encite the Muslim world in its issues with India. India fears immiment attack and strikes first across Pakistani borders. Religious fervour is now at its all time peak. Indonesian Muslims revolt in whats now seen to be a move by Western Powers to destabilise the region as its internal powers battle for control and use anti-Western Propaganda to bolster a sense of unity. Australia and South East Asia come under attack. Britain and American Forces are stretched as they fight fires all over the world and come to the aid of their Allies in the Pacific. The Arabic nations seize their opportunity to silence Israel once and for all. Iraqi forces strike into Iran and Kuwait. The Western Alliances see the danger to fuel reserves. Nato strengthens its borders. Turmoil in the Warsaw countries sparks as old enemies fear the opportunists on their borders and move to retaliate in kind. Border incidents and terrorists action spark fear and promote the opening of old wounds. China seizes its chance with Taiwan as US Naval Forces are forced out of the region to defend US interests elsewhere in the world.
India or Pakistan are the first to push the button....
Wars are easy to start. Harder to prevent and even harder to stop. Saying their will never be a war of Nuclear escalation is scary. Its entirely possible for the smallest of reasons.
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I prefer to stay out of this but just remember that at some point the sun will "burn out" (provided humanity makes it that far which I sincerely doubt) so its all pretty much just infantile BS anyway.
Just enjoy your short time and be prepared to protect yourself should the need arise. Thats all I have to say.
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If India and Pakistan go to war America could become the second most populated country in the world .
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First most, cause China would go down, too.
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Originally posted by scspook
Complacency will be your biggest enemy. Why arent the Romans, the Mongols, The Spanish, the Dutch, Napolean and the Brits still ruling the world?
All of them were Super Powers once. Many ruling more of the world than the US has control or allegiances with now. At this time in our history, the US is the greatest Military Power on earth but what would it take to bring them down?
Bad Foriegn Policy or a recession perhaps. Internal strife? History tells us that Super Powers have a limited lifespan with War or other means deciding on new World Leaders. Are you that complacent that you would ask for War against a Country the size of China and risk the Arabic Countries who in my opinion cannot be trusted anyway, changing allegiances for religious or cultural reasons?
The US is powerful but only as powerful as its alliances. It will give someone a huge kick in the prettythang and a bloody nose but short of including itself in self annhilation, it cant take on the world by itself. Remember Vietnam? Many reasons, most of which cannot be anticipated in the hectic whirlpool of War could change the tide of victory. Germany gave it a shot and lost.
Your patriotism is to be admired but dont lace it with complacent stupitidy or it may well be your downfall. At somepoint in the future, however far ahead, there is going to be another all powerful entity on this planet. 10 years, 100 or 1000, it will come.
Perhaps next it will be Chinas turn.
China had it's turn, before Rome . She's been around for 4000 years, not nearly the empire that she was 2000 years ago but recovering, capitalism is returning and the chinese economy is modernizing .
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"Nato strengthens its borders. Turmoil in the Warsaw countries sparks as old enemies fear the opportunists on their borders and move to retaliate in kind. Border incidents and terrorists action spark fear and promote the opening of old wounds. China seizes its chance with Taiwan as US Naval Forces are forced out of the region to defend US interests elsewhere in the world."
You forgot a few things.
1) Canada invades the US to take back the croisant after giving it to us only to have us turn it into La Croisandwitch.They also steal all cheese reserves.
2) France lays down and spreads em for the first german to cross the border only to find out it is the Scorpions on there world tour.
3)Mexico invades Texas and levels all the Taclo Bells within a 100 mile radius untill the Texas Rangers headed by Chuck Norris force them back.
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i suspect there will be kill off the lower 2/3rds of the bell curve of human intelligence...We cannnot go on the way we, the people of planet earth live, without..a total and complete change of life styles or a apocylyptic attrtition war.
hard
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Originally posted by Udie
.... you're like me and think there's going to be a big nasty worst to happen yet world war within the next 2 or 3 years?
I look at history at what happened before both world wars and it's the same type of multi national political B.S. that's been going on for the past few years. When it happens I hope the Russians are on our side again. I hope the only enemies are China, the Arabs, Iran and North Korea.
HAving lived through the "duck and cover" drills of the 60's and the bad bad 70's and early 80's when it seemed like we had a cowboy with his hand on the trigger. Looks to me like all is pretty freaking rosey right now Udie. No worries mate.
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Originally posted by scspook
Complacency will be your biggest enemy. Why arent the Romans, the Mongols, The Spanish, the Dutch, Napolean and the Brits still ruling the world?
All of them were Super Powers once. Many ruling more of the world than the US has control or allegiances with now. At this time in our history, the US is the greatest Military Power on earth but what would it take to bring them down?
The US is powerful but only as powerful as its alliances. It will give someone a huge kick in the prettythang and a bloody nose but short of including itself in self annhilation, it cant take on the world by itself.
Rome: fell because its empire was larger than its lines of communication. They split into an eastern half and a western half. Fractured and fell to local denizens of the territory (ie feudal lords). And having crazy leaders that couldn't lead their way out a paper bag didn't help either.
Mongols: Can't comment - not part of my school curriculum.
Spanish: got caught up with religious zealotry and then had their fleet smashed on the shores of the English Channel (or thereabouts). No fleet, no control of the seas, no superpower for you!
The Dutch: they were a superpower?
Napoleon: it took the Duke of Windsor and the timely arrival of the Prussian army to knock him back, and even then he didn't stay down. Too bad he was working with a peasant government that was clueless.
Britain: Managed to retain their empire for a respectable amount of time. Some (cough, cough, Argentina, cough) would say they're still a superpower to be reckoned with (hello, welcome to the Falklands).
What would it take to bring the US down?
Another big Depression (check the stock market today?), coupled with an energy crisis (cough, cough Saudi Arabia, cough, Iraq, cough, Venezuela, cough, cough), and war (Iraq, North Korea, Libya to name a few hotspots). Nothing kills a country faster than losing money, raw materials, and military presence. As the Soviet Union has proven, you can kill a country without a war and without an energy crisis if it can lose enough money.
That was the al Queyda's plan when they dropped 2 jumbo jets on New York.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
I'm pretty sure France will be against you too... for some reason they hate you since you liberated them in 44.
yep ... I'm training for that since 2 year in AH
I'm L33T and will shot down all their top gun instructors in the instant :D
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Just wait when the Chinese people will all buy cellular phones, cars and big houses. Imagine the amount of energy which will be needed for even building those things, let alone supplying the power for them.
Few choices:
1.All countries ratify some sort of limit for invidual energy use maximum. This would mean heavy cutting from current western life styles. Would you give up your both cars, Big Mac meal and double/triple your costs for everything so that chinese peasant can own as much as you? I dont think so, the plan B:
2.Bomb the Chinese arse so badly, that their focus will be on cleaning their toiletholes from homecaves for next 100 years.
Of course some radical technology breaktrough would ease this situation, like working Fusion Power Plant, however i doubt anything like that will happen in my lifetime.
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Originally posted by gofaster
Mongols: Can't comment - not part of my school curriculum.
The Mongols were poised to attack Venice (I think) when their leader fell off his horse and died (after a few days). Mongol tradition required them to bury him at home. So they turned around and went all the way back home. As far as I know nobody has figured out why they didnt come back later.
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gofaster - it was the Duke of Wellington.
Duke of Windsor.......? ;)
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Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
gofaster - it was the Duke of Wellington.
Duke of Windsor.......? ;)
Doh! And I had just finished reading about that battle in "Turning The Tide of War" by Tim Newark.
My bad! Proper credit should go to the Duke of Wellington, who had proven himself in battle prior to defeating Napoleon at Waterloo.
And then there was the whole Balkan escapade that didn't really work out very well...
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Originally posted by scspook
History tells us that Super Powers have a limited lifespan with War or other means deciding on new World Leaders. [/B]
All governments have a limited life span. USA happens to be one of the older governments in the world.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
All governments have a limited life span. USA happens to be one of the older governments in the world.
The USA is very very young in terms of History. Your natives may lay claim to tribal laws and ancient history, but as a civilised Country you have much to do in order to fill history books with the likes of Europe, the Middle East or Africa. Australia is the same, even younger in many respects. You can hardly lay claim to one of the oldest Governments. Cowboys run ranches. Not Countries (Unless your Ronald Regan.) :) No offense intended.
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I agree that our history is younger than most, but the US Constitution predates the present governments of any on the african continent, Russia, Germany, France, Japan, China, India, Thailand, Canada, Austrailia, any in Central America, Venezuela became independant from Spain sometime around 1810, so probably South America as well....yadda yadda...
So far the list of older governments starts with the writing of the Magna Carta in 1215, and ummm.... i'm sure there are a few more.... maybe Monaco...Sweden? When did Sweden become a constitutional monarcy?
That is the distinction to which I was referring