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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: HaHa on April 21, 2000, 10:38:00 PM
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For the last 5-6 days the bishops have been severely gangbanged. The knights and rooks DONT EVEN fight eachother. They just attack us, we've already been reset twice. This is a KEY reason why 3 countries does not work at all. One of the countries is always ganged up on by the other 2. Furthermore, bishops are the "newbie" country, so usually a large proportion of our countrymen don't know wtf to do.
Some people say that there'd be the same problem with 2 countries.. yes there is a possibility one country might "barely" outnumber the other to (e.g. 120 people and there is 65 good, 55 bad worse case - most people will switch if odds get worse). But look at the situation now with 3 countries (even teams): 120 people, 40 each country, thus it's 80 vs 40.. 2:1 odds!!
People don't know how to even the teams because the 3 country thing is so confusing. You look at the #'s and think, gee the bishops have a good #. But if you take into consideration it's bishops vs all it's quite unfair.
Fact is, it's not nearly as fun as it could be with 2 countries.
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HaHa;
I have not had much chance to fly lately.
By any chance is Bishland currently in the North-East corner of the map?
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
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now now dont tarnish the bishop motto of no snivelling (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
just look at it as more targets (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
"I am over here by myself with 5 spitfires... I have them surrounded" hehehe
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"There are no born fighter pilots. Some are a little better than others, thats about it. But I would say time, training, training, training and more training are the key... to any success." -Francis Gabreski
Citabria
=357th Pony Express=
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The last 5-6 days I've had more fun playing than in a long time. Please do not change setup, gangbangs will and should happen, they will change around, and they add a LOT to gameplay.
If you relax, and enjoy the fact that your back is against the wall, you will see the point there.
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Fatty
FAT DRUNK BASTARDS (http://fdb.50megs.com)
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preach on brother fatty (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Fatty:
If you relax, and enjoy the fact that your back is against the wall, you will see the point there.
Well spoken, Fatty. I can't help but think back to the cries of Rooks being outnumbered a few weeks ago... what goes around comes around.
Plus, this is a really classy spin on things. I almost feel bad for ganging you with alt the other night now. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-- Todd/DMF
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Spare me the whine please, this kind of complaining has been going on since the first online flight sim started.
Maybe, just maybe Knights and Rooks are fighting and you just dont see it?
I saw this stuff in WB where some were begging for a 3 country game to "elimate" this gang banging. I guess that dont work.
Two sided war would be even more susceptible to unbalanced fights when numbers werent even.
Just grit your teeth, fly smarter not harder, everything goes around eventually.
Dago
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HaHa,
When I got on this morning (PST) I saw that Bish had taken our fields A20, 21 & 22. This placed them next door to our HQ and city. Did I attack Bish? You bet. And after a tough fight we took back A21 before I logged. Also, Since Bish have gotten A1 they've been doing that nonstop attack on our A13.
Sorry, guy. Wish I could sympathize, but ...
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leonid, Komandir
5 GIAP VVS RKKA (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero)
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
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Dont kick this dead horse to hard your foot might get stuck inside.
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Dago - you are definitely an anti-(2 country) person. Everytime someone mentions it you start calling them a whiner. Furthermore since you don't understand math, a 2 sided battle is NOT, I repeat NOT more susceptible to unbalanced fights. Did you miss my original post ???
Whine or not whine that is the question.. fact is there are some clear and OBVIOUS points why 2 countries is better:
1) LESS CONFUSION - you know who your enemy is.. there is a single unified front (possibly jagged (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
2) MORE/LARGER BATTLES - more people to kill along a single front (albeit larger), chance for larger furballs much higher
3) REALISM - obviously, which = fun as well
4) GANGBANGING - as per my original post
5) LOYALTY/REASON TO PLAY - you feel a desire to see your team beat the other guys, rather than uh.. lets beat the knights, no lets beat the rooks .. sigh ;(
Reasons to keep 3 country:
1) SERVER LOAD - bigger furballs = more lag
2) QUAKE'ism - 3 countries adds more confusion but more "frantic" battles
It's beating a dead horse.. but it has to be said.
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hmmm.. let's see... where I have seen this situation before....
OH YEAH!!! the entire week after 1.02 was released. Knights and biscuits kept the rooks down in a corner. I seem to recall LordHaHa calling several rooks whiners when they complained about that fact. As a matter of fact, it took the Musketeer Escadrille and TWC switching to Knights before that problem was finally broken.
Been flying for Knights for a week now. Some knights do attack and capture rook fields. The rest of us have been fighting the biscuits.
Guess the reason the rooks have been mainly ignoring the Knights is payback for being kept down that first week of 1.02
Wish I could sympathize HaHa, but I just have 1 question to ask:
Want some cheese with that whine?
(and people thought I was crazy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) )
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Knights and Rooks dont fight each other?
JG2 is shooting me down one zillion times a day ... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
GATT
4*Stormo CT
"F.Baracca"
(http://web.tiscalinet.it/gatt/205gatt.jpg)
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And all this boils down to...Historical Arena!
I'm fine with the current 3-country setup in the main arena. As long as us Bishcuits have one rear field to take off relatively safely I'm happy. I'll just take the extra 20 mins to fly to a busy field and then clear it! Gangbanged = Target rich environment. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
This said, I have to admit I'm definately in favor of a 2-country setup. But the MA is not the right place for it. That is why we should get a HA. But until we get that, I'll settle with the ToD's and other Special Events. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cya up there!
Camo
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Camouflage
XO, Lentolaivue 34
www.muodos.fi/LLv34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34)
"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."
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Originally posted by gatt:
JG2 is shooting me down one zillion times a day ... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
GATT
4*Stormo CT
"F.Baracca"
(http://web.tiscalinet.it/gatt/205gatt.jpg)
BINGOOOOOOOO!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Saw
[This message has been edited by Saintaw (edited 04-22-2000).]
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I love what the bish did during there turn at gangbang tonight...they vulched 2 alnight from 1...LOL...practicin what they preach..way to go guys.
HaHa...it really gets old after a while...try it for 2.5 weeks or so. it really gets on your whining nerve.
But the bish did handle it well tonight..
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Pongo
The Wrecking Cre
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Changing from 4 to 3 to 2 countries won't change the nature of the beast and that is for one side to get gang banged no matter what - or the perception there of.
In a two country deal you *WILL* get one side ganging on the other. Guaran-fuggin-teed
Hey. Why not ONE country? A REAL free - for all. Where it's one-on-one and the only friendly is yourself or the squad you're in??
Only then will you be rid of the root cause of the gang banging. Well, until about a week goes by and it's everyone versus the JG2 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 04-22-2000).]
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Q: What is so bloody wrong with realism?
(Once each country's aircraft are available)
Like, German flying 109s.....RAF flying spits.....whatever. Allied v Axis?
I mean it's a fun game and all.....but I wanna fly Lancs v german fighters....not F bloody 4s......
Yeah ok, can't be done yet cos of lack of craft for each side.....but eventually?
Flt Lt Swoop
No401 RAF
11 Group
(If dolphins are so bloody clever
how come they never invented fire?)
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"Dago - you are definitely an anti-(2 country) person. Everytime someone mentions it you start calling them a whiner."
HaHa, you are definitely a whiner and either mistaken or a liar, as I dont recall ever weighing in on this issue and I challenge you to prove me wrong.
"Furthermore since you don't understand math, a 2 sided battle is NOT, I repeat NOT more susceptible to unbalanced fights."
Again, my opinion stands. What would happen if the game changed to two sides, and all rooks and bishops joined up on one side? I guess it wouldnt be unbalanced? Sheesh. The balance sways alot in online multiteam games, depending on day of the week, time of the day etc. You can bet it would unbalanced often. With 3 countries at least we have a choice who to fight, we are not forced to fight the same guys, the same "other country" for the same fields every time we play.
"Whine or not whine that is the question.. fact is there are some clear and OBVIOUS points why 2 countries is better:
1) LESS CONFUSION - you know who your enemy is.. there is a single unified front (possibly jagged )"
I know very well who my enemy is, they are indicated in RED. Check it out sometimes, you will find enemy normally are red, no confusion there.
"2) MORE/LARGER BATTLES - more people to kill along a single front (albeit larger), chance for larger furballs much higher"
So, we should just make this a one big furball game? You ever try DOA? One big furball is boring after awhile. It eliminates strategy, the option of playing the Lone Wolf stalking his prey and some really great one on one fights.
"3) REALISM - obviously, which = fun as well"
Wont argue with you that in real life fights where 2 sided. I dont necessarily agree that it would mean more fun. It hasnt been proven.
"4) GANGBANGING - as per my original post"
It happens, and it doesnt last forever. Learn to live with it, it will go in cycles and is
the nature of the beast in this game.
"5) LOYALTY/REASON TO PLAY - you feel a desire to see your team beat the other guys, rather than uh.. lets beat the knights, no lets beat the rooks .. sigh ;("
I play for a few reasons, and I suspect most do for the same. I like to compete against others in a dynamic situtation, I enjoy the friends I have made and I like airplane games. It has nothing whatsoever, zero, to do with who I am fighting. As a rule I dont even pay any attention to what side I am fighting against in AH, I look where rooks and I jump in.
"Reasons to keep 3 country:
1) SERVER LOAD - bigger furballs = more lag"
See your reason #2 above, you seem to contradict yourself here.
"2) QUAKE'ism - 3 countries adds more confusion but more "frantic" battles"
Sorry you get confused, it isnt a problem for most of us, we know where we are and what we are doing. Any battle is normally frantic. You are working hard to survive and kill the enemy, with outside influences playing a part (terrain avoidance, airframe stresses, other enemy in immediate vicinity).
"It's beating a dead horse.. but it has to be said."
No it doesnt.
Respectfully,
Dago
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Been lovin it the last few days. I log on to get into dogfights and tank battles, dont have to go far latly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I must admit that I got a little pissed last night after climbing the hill to a11 for 45 min. just as I was cresting two reck f4us came in and blasted me, but after throwing things around in my office for 10 minutes or so I was back online my good old happy go killing self (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Shamus
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While I would agree with Dago that there is nothing about a 2 country setup that would intristicly stop gang banging. The 2 country setup would allow you to detect a gangbang very easialy and if you wanted to do something imaginative(like intorduce some of the Uberplanes) for the underdog to counter ballance you could...right know it is hard to detect(progromatically) easy to deny and creats far to much negative feelings that add nothing to the game.
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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I can live with this 3 country map...
What I would like to know is how we could force all three countries to fight each other ?
Any suggestions ?
Cave ?
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Good question Staga,
I have seen one method to this by some who will change colors, and start a fight between the 2 countrys attacking the other one. This usually works, but with the time limit on changing sides in AH it would be a problem. Lets keep thinking about the issue and maybe we can find a good solution.
Dago
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Hi all,
I can not say any bad word to the guys who gangband. Any game has the winning strategy, and in MA the ONLY winning strategy is to gangband. So it does not hurt when you think about it: if you lose, you lose not due to the worse pilots or worse cooperation, you lose due to odds. For same reason there is nothing to be pride anymore if you reset map -- it is not your skills, it is odds.
BTW, we had a time, when though at map it were 3 countires, it were enough pilots only for 2 countries, so normally nits did not had any fighters, and it was rooks/bishs fights over the map. Anyone complained about 2 counties? Anyone who played then can say it was not interesting? Though it was normally more rooks, and they had better pilots, It was normally 1.5:1, 2:1 at most. Now I often see two countries has 3:1, even 4:1 against gangbanded country.
I just hope one day we will have enough pilots to fill many arenas, and beta editor will be available, and it will be available arenas with 2, 3, 4 countries. Then it will be clear what is better, people will play in the arena they like.
Fariz
XII Legion
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JG2 is shooting me down one zillion times a day
JG2 we`re everywhere you want to be.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<shamefully stolen from Hertz Rent A Car commercial>
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Im with Fatty and Cit here, its been a blast. More targets to choose from and quick action. Haha if its getting to tough for ya use the Caveman strat. "when the going gets tough, leave". lol
Wil
P.S. j/k CJ (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Will is assimilating nicely.
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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No! That is is from Visa, and I stole it to use on my kids...
"You misbehave and I'm gonna Visa you; I'll be everywhere you wanna be!"
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3 countrys is crap in my mind , who ever fought a 3 side war without 2 gagin the other ( ww2 for instance ) its just beggin for it.
well the designers seem to mostly fly bish so the brown nose factor gave bish numbers for a long time so yall ganged knit and rook to you little black harts content.
a couple of squads went from one rook to knit and exclusively hit bish and now your up toejam creek without a paddle go ahead squeak i would. but you did it to your self
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The whole point of a squad is to gang bang (er, clear each others 6). If your not in one you need to join one ASP. You get to feeling naked out there without one. Belive me I know. Squads are the reason they cant assigne people, to the side that is short handed, as they log on. They are the backbone of a sim and will always be with us. There are guys in that other sim that hate it, but stay there because they are in a squad.
Just learn to fight more than one guy at a time then you will enjoy it. and fly the biggest guns you can find. 190 is nice for this. F4U 1c dont turn as well, but it has the best guns in the game.
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Yea baby I was gettign creamed at A5 Not sure if it was rooks or Nits. Dont want to think about it had bad memory. Fatty was there when i was getting my butt whipped. LOL I didnt mind. I like to get some quick action. Boy was it fun. Dont make it habit (u know who i am talking about). Just put me to sleep 1st when u gang up on me than it wont give mme a bad memory when I get to grow up.
Bash
Ill Would of kicked all your butts alone but fatty was holding me back.
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Originally posted by CavemanJ:
hmmm.. let's see... where I have seen this situation before....
OH YEAH!!! the entire week after 1.02 was released. Knights and biscuits kept the rooks down in a corner. I seem to recall LordHaHa calling several rooks whiners when they complained about that fact. As a matter of fact, it took the Musketeer Escadrille and TWC switching to Knights before that problem was finally broken.
I dunno if I did that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif). I try to never ever call anybody a whiner (and if I did I was probably joking). I think it's kinda rude and shows a lack of appreciation of other peoples feelings.
Discuss the problem, give some points, and hopefully resolve their "mistakeness" but never be so cruel as to say "whiner".
[This message has been edited by HaHa (edited 04-23-2000).]
[This message has been edited by HaHa (edited 04-23-2000).]
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Originally posted by Dago:
"Dago - you are definitely an anti-(2 country) person. Everytime someone mentions it you start calling them a whiner."
HaHa, you are definitely a whiner and either mistaken or a liar, as I dont recall ever weighing in on this issue and I challenge you to prove me wrong.
Call me a liar? The fact is it was just previous to your post that I was online.. someone said we need 2 countries and you said "no we don't..". In fact, I do believe (90%) sure that you used the word whiner there as well. I remember it, because it seemed really rude and I thought to myself, "sigh another one of these (friendly) people".
Your comments are well received and yes there are valid points but mostly you are just being argumentative. You are unfortunately in {fill blank here} mode and will argue with whatever I say (no matter if it's valid or not).
To everyone else, thanks for all the good comments.. hehe I kind of set myself up to be flamed on this issue. 3 countries is definitely fun but imho I think 2 countries would be more so. Nonetheless, we might just have to wait for something like wwIIonline to try it out (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by HaHa (edited 04-23-2000).]
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Haha, I think you are referring to me giving Tern some grief. After he complained about being gangbanged, I typed ".squelch whine" or something like that. I admit to that, but what you dont know is I have known Tern for over 4 years, and consider him a friend. He helped me get into my first squad when I was a new guy in Warbirds so long ago.
We give each other grief from time to time, but it is always tongue in cheek good natured ribbing. That was the case online, just teasing him a little.
So, there has been a misunderstanding here, I think on both of our parts.
I try to not take any of this too serious, and I hope others dont either.
Dago
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Well, all I know is that since TWC went Knight, I now know what its like to take a number. I actually have gotten a couple well prosecuted kills recently.
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"Downtown" Lincoln Brown.
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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Originally posted by HaHa:
For the last 5-6 days the bishops have been severely gangbanged. The knights and rooks DONT EVEN fight eachother.
I guess we're playing in different arenas then HaHa.
For most of all day yesterday and particularly into the evening, the Bishops on-line enjoyed anywhere from a 42-26 advantage over Knights and upwards. They spent almost 8 hours trying to capture field A2 from Knights, while flying with advantage from 10,000 foot field A1. I know, because I was there most of the time and if you thought you were being gang banged, then you should have joined the Knights at A2 and been welcomed to "The Alamo". Wave after wave of B17's hit A2 and I spent hours trying to avoid 4-1 odds with fighter escorts to take them down, eventually totaling 19 kills (17's) and 5 kills (26's).
Perhaps I missed your point, but in any event, I've also been on the "dishing it out" side. What goes around comes around. I would not change anything in game play as I have found it thoroughly enjoyable with a great bunch of on-line people. By the way, are you "LordHaHa"?
Regards,
Badger
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Gents, we're all adults (hopefully). I suggest we leave this subject as it could degenerate into simple abuse very easily.
Instead lets just keep praying for that historical arena.......
Flt Lt Swoop
No401 RAF
11 Group
(If you unscrew your belly button does
your bottom fall off?)
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Originally posted by Downtown:
Well, all I know is that since TWC went Knight, I now know what its like to take a number. I actually have gotten a couple well prosecuted kills recently.
Dang! I have to try and snipe a few more out of your grasp. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
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Rooks owned A1 and got gangbanged....
Bishops owned A1 and got gangbanged....
Just thinking out loud. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
popeye
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Originally posted by popeye:
Rooks owned A1 and got gangbanged....
Bishops owned A1 and got gangbanged....
Just thinking out loud. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
popeye
biscuits were getting it in both ends when the rooks had A1 also
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Am I the only one who hasn't been able to recognize when a so called "gang banging" is taking place? I log a fair amount of time in the MA, and I've never seen anything like this. Nothing on the country channel has ever suggested we or anyone else has some kind of pact or truce with another country. Perhaps I've been just oblivious to it... or I don't have as good an imagination as some of you. That being said - I still want a 2 sided map (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ... for other reasons. It's pretty clear from the folks at HTC that this won't happen, so I'm not holding my breath.
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Wow I go a week and a half without flying, and I miss the Bish getting their just payback ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Its strange that when 1.02 came out, and the Bish and Knits had Rooks pushed back into a tiny corner except for A1, and the HQ was going down every couple of hours, the comments from bishland if someone complained were "shut up and just play", "stop being a whiner", "It happens to everyone".
Seems they were right (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) At least on that last part.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Carpe Jugulum
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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I agree with FATTY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nathan "NATEDOG" Mathieu
Art Director
HiTech Creations
-=HELLFIRE SQUAD=-
"Man's 2nd greatest thrill in life is FLYING. His 1st greatest thrill is LANDING!"
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I say, "let em gangbang!". The more they attack us (bishops), the better we will become at coordinating ourselves.
To hold on as long as we have, and be as uncoordinated as we have,....well, it is a testimony to the quality of pilots we have.
Just think how formidable we would be if we really got our act together and formed wings and so on and acknowledged or placed commanders at various fields.
Now that we have acknowledged we are getting gangbanged, lets make the nits and rooks wish they had another country to attack (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Roy "Skuzzy" Neese
President, AppLink Corp.
http://www.applink.net
skuzzy@applink.net
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This ver. is jus fine...I'm havin alot of fun, so don't change a thing.
The key guys is to keep it simple...If it's red, Kill It! I could really care less who it is or where it comes from, just as long as it keeps comin (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Rude Out!
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Originally posted by Fatty:
The last 5-6 days I've had more fun playing than in a long time. Please do not change setup, gangbangs will and should happen, they will change around, and they add a LOT to gameplay.
If you relax, and enjoy the fact that your back is against the wall, you will see the point there.
3 resets Fatty. From a point of an interesting fight beeing gangbanded is real fun, and challenging, and I like it. Considering the fact that I hate when the team I play lose and with constant gangbanging during several days the most you can do is to make it later -- I do not like 3 countries.
Fariz
XII Legion
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Greetings !!!
Bishop'poeple
newbies's contries
HaHa You said that lot of your countrie man
are newbies I can understand that perfectly
because I was once a newbiemyself if
not everone also (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
To be beter we must not only get kill lot of
time and lose wars oftenly..........
But we must learn from our misteaks
individualy first then in groups or squads
or what have you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
In Bishops'coutrieas in Rookor
Knightyou have people who are good leaders (surely you can observe that fact
when you are in the heat of the battle)
You should use their knowledge and I can not beleive that your contrie have only newbies
(I have been kick out from the sky so oftenly
by Bishop fighters (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
WhatSKUZZYis saying in his reply is
very wise and all of you should listen and
act about itcoordination and all is
a MUST DO (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
So knowing eachother (weakness & forces)whithin your group will help you greatly to
coordinate your efforts and then surly
winno mater the ods agains you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
In my mind each countries are equal let me
explain a bit..each one has SQUADSno
mater what the name they have still all of
them belong to ONE COUNTRIEnow think
a bit and try to figurout all the potencial each countrie has!!!
It is up to each squadto decide if they should all work together or not
Failing to prepare is preparing to fail (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Think about it ( a bit )and act!!!!
PS..most one in here always use the word
whining(spelling hmmmm)
but I am not so sure that people know the
correct interpretation of this word (maybe
I am one of them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
But I beleive that is a.........
Call for help cause something is not understoud perfectlyand it is not only
negative complains so we should alway
read our own reply and think twice befor pressing the key (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) not to insult others.
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To thine own self be true
Best regards gents :)
Ranker...out!!!
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Originally posted by Fariz:
3 resets Fatty. From a point of an interesting fight beeing gangbanded is real fun, and challenging, and I like it. Considering the fact that I hate when the team I play lose and with constant gangbanging during several days the most you can do is to make it later -- I do not like 3 countries.
Fariz
XII Legion
Fariz, I really think the losing we consistantly had over the weekend was nobody's fault but our own. Consistantly instead of trying to take back bases around our HQ, we forced forward into both Rook and Nit territory, in essence forcing both to fight us.
I think this is part of the 'Curse of One', which makes bases around A1 appear more important (even if they are on the other side of the map from HQ and factories) than the fields around HQ.
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Fatty
FAT DRUNK BASTARDS (http://fdb.50megs.com)
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Originally posted by Fatty:
Fariz, I really think the losing we consistantly had over the weekend was nobody's fault but our own. Consistantly instead of trying to take back bases around our HQ, we forced forward into both Rook and Nit territory, in essence forcing both to fight us.
First 2 resets were when we did not had a1 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Do you want to know the extreme tactics to set gangband against other coutry? Tactic which will work 95% of time? Do not fight against one country. No one from country a) will fight against county b). If you will see planes of that country ditch, do not take their field, etc. People here come to fight, so they will take 5-10 field to reset one time, 5-10 fields to reset second time then they will be extremely tired by not a chance to fight and they all will switch against other country, which will be gangbanded. It is enough for one side never to fight against one other side and last side will be gangbanded ALWAYS. We may try it, if we will cooperate this is quite possible.
Fariz
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The reset while we were in the NW corner was proceded by similar (lack of?) strategy. We pushed as hard as we coul East along the northern edge of the map, while all of the bases around our HQ to the south of us were held by enemies.
It is still fun for me when we do this, I have no problem getting beat or reset, as long as I still get to shoot more red icons, but I still think with more intelligent strategy we could hold off a gangbang indefinately (the ideal situation in a time like this is to shorten and solidify your front line, not expand it).
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Fatty
FAT DRUNK BASTARDS (http://fdb.50megs.com)
[This message has been edited by Fatty (edited 04-24-2000).]
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I think it may have been stated before; but if ya hate getting gangbanged change sides and effectively create a 2 front war.
From my perspective, it's team work that creates or stoppes a gangbang push. Having tons of people defend A1 (when ya have it) is a primary reason you get squashed.
I think the three sides is fine. I see no strong evidence that a 2 sided war will change things greatly.
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Jarbo
of the Buccaneers
"Growing old is mandatory, growing wise is optional."
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I was going to stay out of this one, but...
LordHaha... The answer to your prayers will be coming soon in one form or another. AH will finally present us with the Historic Arena soon. Or, CRS will open up WWII-Online soon. (sorry for mentioning the competition)
Either way it's the win/win solution that I'm waiting for. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
And yes, I agree with you 150% ON THE GANGBANGING. It's always sucked and that part of AH is what I call Arcade High. Aces High will be in the Hist Arena. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Tern
"Live to Fly! Fly to Fight! Fight to Live!"
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"There I was, inverted at 50 feet and 120 kts. and the only thing running was the radio."
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Jarbo hit the nail on the head regarding A1. If you own it, everyone defends at the expense of all the strategic targets and outlying fields.
The overall real estate is much more important than A1. Everyone who has owned A1 has lost land....It begs the question, just what good is A1 to the country that owns it.
Cobra
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When the Buccaneers switched from Rooks to Knights, way back, it was because the Knights were the underdogs. Knights were often outnumbered by each country 4 to 1. We wanted to help ballance out the arena and many of us prefer the more frequent opportunity to defend bases. Now it seems that the Knights have the big numbers, oh well.
eskimo
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Originally posted by Dago:
...After he complained about being gangbanged, I typed ".squelch whine" or something like that.
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Yeahr yeahr. And I replied with "squelch Dago" but it dinae woik. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
I admit to that, but what you dont know is I have known Tern for over 4 years, and consider him a friend. He helped me get into my first squad when I was a new guy in Warbirds so long ago.
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif) Shucks fella... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/redface.gif) Yer making me blush. Now that DejaWhatsits is really gonna think I got a swelled head.
We give each other grief from time to time, but it is always tongue in cheek good natured ribbing. That was the case online, just teasing him a little.
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Ahh qitcher whining already (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
So, there has been a misunderstanding here, I think on both of our parts.
I try to not take any of this too serious, and I hope others dont either.
Dago
*sticks thumbs in ears and wags hands at Dago* Neener, neener, neeeeener! Thwpppppt!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Hey Dago? I still got that pic of you chsing my six in revers when we was both "8X"ing each other. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Tern
"Live to Fly! Fly to Fight! Fight to Live!"
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"There I was, inverted at 50 feet and 120 kts. and the only thing running was the radio."
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Originally posted by Skuzzy:
I say, "let em gangbang!". The more they attack us (bishops), the better we will become at coordinating ourselves.
To hold on as long as we have, and be as uncoordinated as we have,....well, it is a testimony to the quality of pilots we have.
Couple of comments to make. True, pilot for pilot, I would have to say that the Bishops have perhaps the best pilots in the game. There is a reason behind that. When you have to fite more undermanned fites than the Nits or Riks, you get better alot faster.
Now as to being unorganized, I completely agree here too. Bishops tend to like to do their own thing. I know the few times we have tried to get things organized, it was a feat just trying to generate interest within our ranks.
Since the problems began, I've had MUCH more fun going to the TA to do some informal training rather than jump into the MA. Its easier to keep my distaste for the current events in check when Im helping others (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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Originally posted by eskimo:
When the Buccaneers switched from Rooks to Knights, way back, it was because the Knights were the underdogs. Knights were often outnumbered by each country 4 to 1. We wanted to help ballance out the arena and many of us prefer the more frequent opportunity to defend bases. Now it seems that the Knights have the big numbers, oh well.
Well switch back again! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding