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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Krusher on July 16, 2002, 10:33:19 AM
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Yea baby !
Grey Eagle Art (http://www.worldwar2pilots.com/spit%20and%20109%20mergebattleofbrittain.jpg)
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Spit (http://www.worldwar2pilots.com/spitfire.jpg)
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No... it's SpitDweeb :) And Krusher doesn't qualify.... can't even spell BRITAIN hehehe
Tumor
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Whoever painted that painting (or drew that picture) should have paid more attention to detail.
What spit model is that supposed to be anyway?
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Whoever painted that painting (or drew that picture) should have paid more attention to detail.
What spit model is that supposed to be anyway?
I am not a stickler for details ?
What is not right with the pic ?
Jordi
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Those were done for Air Warrior II and III as box art and screen background art (or, for loading missions, screensaver art). Some folks thought those were screen caps from the beta versions of AW2 and AW3 when AW4W was the current version and got all gaga about how great the graphics were going to be. Still, they were nice examples of computer graphics artwork for the time.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Whoever painted that painting (or drew that picture) should have paid more attention to detail.
What spit model is that supposed to be anyway?
Shuddup Hort :D
Tumor
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Originally posted by Tumor
No... it's SpitDweeb :) And Krusher doesn't qualify.... can't even spell BRITAIN hehehe
Tumor
I went to the HT school of speeling :)
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Originally posted by jordi
I am not a stickler for details ?
What is not right with the pic ?
Jordi
The spitfire has cannons.
I'm also suspecting that the paint job on the 109 is ..eh.. not entirely accurate. Apparently the artist wants to give us the impression that the pilot of the 109 is Galland. But I doubt even Galland was allowed to remove the swastika from the tail and replace it with a "G", and he seems to have too many kills too.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
I'm also suspecting that the paint job on the 109 is ..eh.. not entirely accurate. Apparently the artist wants to give us the impression that the pilot of the 109 is Galland. But I doubt even Galland was allowed to remove the swastika from the tail and replace it with a "G", and he seems to have too many kills too.
It's not a "G," it's a "C." The equivalent here would be to have a little horsie or a castle on the tail.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
The spitfire has cannons.
I'm also suspecting that the paint job on the 109 is ..eh.. not entirely accurate. Apparently the artist wants to give us the impression that the pilot of the 109 is Galland. But I doubt even Galland was allowed to remove the swastika from the tail and replace it with a "G", and he seems to have too many kills too.
If I am not mistaken, this art was part of Air Warrior and could not have the swastika on it. Keep in mind Germany frowns on this symbol and AW like AH had German players.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
The spitfire has cannons.
I'm also suspecting that the paint job on the 109 is ..eh.. not entirely accurate. Apparently the artist wants to give us the impression that the pilot of the 109 is Galland. But I doubt even Galland was allowed to remove the swastika from the tail and replace it with a "G", and he seems to have too many kills too.
As was mentioned above, this artwork was done with AirWarrior. As such, It's either Spit V or Spit IV. And as Runny mentioned it's not Galland so much as it's "C-Land" Pilot #4852. This also explains the absense of a Swastika. It wasn't that GE needed to "Pay more Attention" but rather, that you needed a little more background on the work. Understandable, but it was a bad assumption.
-Sikboy
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Shhh, Runny. He's a dufe. I bet he can quote from memory every single variant of FW190 made but he can't figure out that the Spit MkIa didn't have cannons. Swastika boys are like that. ;)
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Back on AW when we ran the BOB scenario (my first BOB scenario)
I had the pleasure of killing Homer and Brat and they never saw me :)
Most of you hosers never heard of them, but they were wingmen and pretty good sticks.
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That's cause they were in the same cockpit and preoccupied. :p
Originally posted by Krusher
Back on AW when we ran the BOB scenario (my first BOB scenario)
I had the pleasure of killing Homer and Brat and they never saw me :)
Most of you hosers never heard of them, but they were wingmen and pretty good sticks.
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Well then he couldn't figure out the MkIb had them (and yep, some of em flew in BoB). Either way, he's an anal swastikahead. ;)
Originally posted by Oedipus
"...he can't figure out that the Spit MkIa didn't have cannons."
Actually he did. Re-read his reply to Jordi's question.
Thanks,
Oed
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GE your work has and still is first class!!
ATC
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No, not spitdweeb, DweebFire. Hehe, helps to suggest what my cannons do to 'em. ;)
I've read that the biggest reason the 1940 raf didn't use the hispano suiza 20mm cannon was its poor reliability in combat. Since it was gas powered, high altitudes and negative g's wreaked havoc on them, issues that weren't worked out until later marks of the Spitfire and Hurricane.
ik
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As folks have explained the Spit was done for an AW flyer "Stilletto", the A on the wing representing A land, etc etc.
As for what version. I suppose it's supposed to be a Spit IXc although with the tail wheel retracted it looks more like a VIIIc.
In Airwarrior the IX in flight didn't show the tail wheel so I imagine that's what it is meant to represent since it was based on the game.
Obviously the two large radiators, the tropical air intake and the multiple exhaust stacks along with the gray/green camo, take it out of the realm of a combat flown Mk Ia or Ib :)
Dan
Who likes Spit details
Originally posted by Hortlund
Whoever painted that painting (or drew that picture) should have paid more attention to detail.
What spit model is that supposed to be anyway?
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you are correct -ik- jamming was a problem for early hispanos
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Actually it had more to do with the way the gun was mounted in the wing initially which caused numerous jams.(The 51B had much the same issues with it's angle mounted 4 x 50 cals)
It also did not have the 4 303 machine guns to go with it on the Ib so if the cannon jammed, there was little to fall back on.
When the guns did work the hitting power was an obvious huge improvement over the 8 303s. Despite Douglas Bader's protests that it would cause pilots to shoot from too far out, the problems were solved and the IIb, Vb etc went into action and then the later C wing with more cannon ammo was introduced which also allowed for the installation of 4 cannons, although this was rarely done.
Dan
Originally posted by -ik-
No, not spitdweeb, DweebFire. Hehe, helps to suggest what my cannons do to 'em. ;)
I've read that the biggest reason the 1940 raf didn't use the hispano suiza 20mm cannon was its poor reliability in combat. Since it was gas powered, high altitudes and negative g's wreaked havoc on them, issues that weren't worked out until later marks of the Spitfire and Hurricane.
ik
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Btw clearly a hypothetical Airwarrior based situation as those are Ju87Ds down low passing under the 109F and the Spit VIIIc/IXc.
Definately not a Battle of Britain time frame
Dan
Originally posted by Hortlund
Whoever painted that painting (or drew that picture) should have paid more attention to detail.
What spit model is that supposed to be anyway?
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The Mk. II went into service at the end of 1940 equipped with the Rolls Royce Merlin XII of 1,175 hp. Two main variants were produced, the Mk.IIa with eight machine guns and the Mk.IIb with four machine guns and two 20 mm cannons. The Mk.II's were a transitional aircraft to more powerful forms.
A total of 920 Mk.II's were made. 750 Mk.IIa's and 170 Mk.IIb's
The Mk. I(A) came equipped with 8 Vickers K machine guns, 4 in each wing. A total of 1583 Mk.I's were made.
19 Squadron was issued with half a dozen cannon-armed Spitfires (Mk IB). The cannon's hitting power was recognised but jamming was still a problem and little success was achieved.
The Spitfire Mk.V armament varied from eight machine guns in the MkVa, the four machine guns and two 20mm cannons in the MkVb and the four 20mm cannons in the MkVc. The Vc version used a universal wing capable of fitting all of the armament variations.
Only 94 Mk.Va's were made, 3,923 Mk.Vb's were produced and 2,447 MkVc's were produced.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
Now there is a guy who knows his stuff! Guppy35.
Thanks,
Oed
How many kills does Guppy have?
(Sorry Dan :) )
-Sikboy
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both the Spit model and the Spit drawing have the universal C wing tho the model has the cannons spaced a bit too far apart. The drawing has them about the right distance apart for the C wing. Also, a real life C wing would have the 0.303 ports noticeable, unless a fantastic patch job was done on them. :)
I could be wrong, but the early Hispano jamming problem was related to the belt feed. I think I read that once.
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ummm.....My mom won't let me have any bullets!
or.....I'm a recce Spit XI pilot!
or...... :)
Dan
Originally posted by Sikboy
How many kills does Guppy have?
(Sorry Dan :) )
-Sikboy
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LOL ... relax mama's boy (crude Oedipus joke) ;)
Truly you've found me out! I was obviously yanking Hort's chain .. and for no more reason than it seemed the thing to do at the time. Eh ... on reflection I prolly shoulda left well enough alone. ESPECIALLY since I don't fly AH yet ( and may never will at the rate I'm going) and anyone that doesn't fly the game isn't really allowed to yank chains on the BB (or anyone that does fly AH for that matter at the rate heads roll here lately. I feel mine being sized for the axe as I post). That and the fact that I don't know Hort from O(ed) from Doodyhead here.
I did think it was kinda funny that Krush wanted to share some of GE's art here and the only thing Hort had to say about it was that it was lacking for the appropriate detail .... including the erroneous "G" in place of the ever so correct swastika. But that really doesn't matter a hill of beans either way as well (even though I've been and still am a big fan of GE's art).
Ergo ... yes, I fell to temptation and boredom and tried to pop Hort with a towel and hit you instead. My bad on both counts. I apologize. But you definately popped me bum back so I don't feel quite as bad as I could have.
Now I'll get back to my panhandling for change to upgrade and play the game. :D
Originally posted by Oedipus
You are somewhat correct in that one squadron of 1B's was indeed in service with the 19 sqadron during the BoB. However the Spit 1B was armed with two 20mm cannon and four 0.303 Browning machine-guns so the picture is not a 1B - or any other BoB Spitfire for that matter. Regardless of the details you're trying to back pedal on that art is my wallpaper right now. It does look nice, although a bit 'odd' with the Air Warrior bits on the planes.
Indulge me for a moment if you would?
I looked to see what kind of plane you fly most in AH but I found no online score for an 'Arlo.' Are you a troll or someone else posting simply to harass another player with saying something like "he's an anal swastikahead" to Hortlund? I saw the smiley at the end of your remark but I did not think it was very humurous personaly. and no, I do not wear leather undies. I'm firmly indepedent and am not affiliated with any role playing for one side or the other here.
Thanks,
Oed
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If tou are referring to me, I've not played in a long time. Too much to do and too little time. But I've got lots of old AW friends flying and I enjoy the discussions of the aircraft or the history.
Long love affair with the Spit, way before flight sims, so when folks talk Spits I like to get involved :)
Dan
Originally posted by Oedipus
I didn't feel curious enough to look Sikboy as he clearly knew what he was talking about. I just want to repeat that I only looked to at what plane types Arlo had been flying. I did not mean to imply that without a good score or fair amount of air-air kills that anything he said was invalid. I did a quick peek out of curiosity. Sparked by what Arlo wrote. I wanted to see if he was "nationalistic" with his "aircraft" choices. Guppy35 wasn't talking out of his mudhole (rechecks and still sees a topic titled "The Battle of Britain" and nothing about 'Hey! Check out some doods WWII airplane art"). But since you asked I checked and he has none. Is he a player? If so what's his handle online here? Or is this Karnak's alter ego? :)
Thanks,
Oed
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Originally posted by Oedipus
Guppy35 wasn't talking out of his mudhole (rechecks and still sees a topic titled "The Battle of Britain" and nothing about 'Hey! Check out some doods WWII airplane art"). But since you asked I checked and he has none. Is he a player? If so what's his handle online here? Or is this Karnak's alter ego? :)
Thanks,
Oed
Due to numerous occasions of augering while taxiing to the runway and various indiscretions with the local sheep, most Nomads have been prohibited from entering a cockpit of any kind, unless they have adult supervision.
(http://www.hispanicvista.com/assets/479th_shield.jpg)
Ack-Ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders
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Originally posted by akak
Due to numerous occasions of augering while taxiing to the runway and various indiscretions with the local sheep, most Nomads have been prohibited from entering a cockpit of any kind, unless they have adult supervision.
C'mon -- if sheep-molesting could get you grounded, none of us would be flying.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
As folks have explained the Spit was done for an AW flyer "Stilletto", the A on the wing representing A land, etc etc.
Same SpitDweeb HOtard in AH? :)
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Originally posted by Arlo
LOL ... relax mama's boy (crude Oedipus joke) ;)
That and the fact that I don't know Hort from O(ed) from Doodyhead here.
Thats cuz your Doodyhead! :D
I did think it was kinda funny that Krush wanted to share some of GE's art here and the only thing Hort had to say about it was that it was lacking for the appropriate detail .... including the erroneous "G" in place of the ever so correct swastika. But that really doesn't matter a hill of beans either way as well (even though I've been and still am a big fan of GE's art).
And exactly what WOULD you expect of the AH BB missy?? :D :D
Ergo ... yes, I fell to temptation and boredom and tried to pop Hort with a towel and hit you instead. My bad on both counts. I apologize. But you definately popped me bum back so I don't feel quite as bad as I could have.
Ergo is just being a Mr. Poopypants (another characteristic here)
Now I'll get back to my panhandling for change to upgrade and play the game. :D
Panhandle faster you big procrastinatuer!!
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It's a good job Krush didn't link GE'īs P40, I hate Gay Pride planes.
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Originally posted by Seeker
It's a good job Krush didn't link GE'īs P40, I hate Gay Pride planes.
you mean like the pink Mossie Fidd flew as a scout in LongBow :)
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Originally posted by Oedipus
This topic has just gone off to Pluto... I have no idea who "GE" is nor what the last few of you are babbling about. Perhaps if I did then I'd not be such a 'poopy pants' ;) But hearing more about Pink Mossies and Gay P-40's just simply doesn't appeal to me. Guess you had to "be there." Glad you folks were......
The Brits painted their Photo recon planes pink...
You can speculate as to why :)
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So that we could cast scorn and derision half a centuary later at folks who think pink spits don't belong in the MA, of course!
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Originally posted by Seeker
So that we could cast scorn and derision half a centuary later at folks who think pink spits don't belong in the MA, of course!
Oh I am sure they cast scorn a half centry earlier also :)
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Actually Oedipus, if you are a P40 fan you'd have liked the artwork GE did of the GAY P40. It in fact was a 112 Squadron RAF Desert Air Force P40 in accurate markings for the squadron with the codes GA-Y. Some guy got all bent out of shape about the squadron code letters thinking it was some sort of hidden comment, when in fact it was nothing more then based on an actual photo of a 112 Squadron P40E sharkmouth and all with GA-Y as it's squadron codes. It had Merseille's "Yellow 14" Me109FTrop in it as well.
And of course the pink planes were what Seeker was referring to, RAF Recce birds in accurate camo for that low level role.
As for flying AH again. Someday I hope to. It's killing me knowing a Battle of Britain Scenario is going to happen. Last real "flying" I did was in the last AW B of B scenario. Had myself a group of II/JG54 109Es in that one. Sure wish I could fly this one in a Spit or a Hurri. I could at least be bait. Oh well, someday :)
Dan
Originally posted by Oedipus
This topic has just gone off to Pluto... I have no idea who "GE" is nor what the last few of you are babbling about. Perhaps if I did then I'd not be such a 'poopy pants' ;) But hearing more about Pink Mossies and Gay P-40's just simply doesn't appeal to me. Guess you had to "be there." Glad you folks were......
Guppy35 I understand completey. Hopefully some day time and projects will allow you to come back online. For the same reasons I find myself online only about two or three times a week these days.
But besides enjoying AH for the love of WWII aircraft, in general, I find it's a great way to relieve my work week stress. (Not implying you have any. just a personal anecdote). Nothing like flying a P-40B and watching a bogy 'burst' off youre nose and flying throught the debri. :)
Thanks,
Oed
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WW2 pilots com is indeed a fantastic sight put together by an old AW'er and fanatical EAW skinner by the name of +MIA ( another one of them nomad guys......)
Any one who posts on this board should go there at least once, there's no excuse not to.
Those guys are the real deal ( and some fly sims!); it's the nearest most of us will get to what Grendel writes so well about.
It's a question of respect.
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Glad you found Ernie's site. His Dad was a WW2 B26 Marauder pilot. Didn't see combat, but flew em as an instructor.
Ernie has put a ton of work into that site honoring those guys. For what it's worth he was kind enough to post a couple of things I've worked on too.
http://www.worldwar2pilots.com/guynn-01.htm
http://www.worldwar2pilots.com/b24intro.htm
Those guys have been my heros for a long time.
Dan
Originally posted by Oedipus
! aha ! I found that P-40 picture you're describing ( I think. sounds just like it):
http://www.worldwar2pilots.com/p40desert%20p40%20RAF.jpg
After your post I'd gone back but to the main page http://www.worldwar2pilots.com (what a great site!!) and I found a link to more of that Gray Eagles art. Some really god stuff there.
Off to read more of what's there....
Thanks!
Oed
p.s. I'll post with the others on how the BoB goes - from an ME-110 perspective I imagine as that is what I asked for. ;)