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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: brady on July 16, 2002, 06:30:44 PM
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The Ar 234's Periscope had a dual function. The Periscope was used to aim the rear guns, and also for shalow angle dive bombing, providing some sort of aiming point no mater how rudementry would be a big help in using this plane in this capacity.
The JU 88 was equiped with a Dive bomb sight as well, and this was used to great effect.
Bothe of these sights were very accurate and very complex and well designed tools, the JU 88's sight ;ooked much like another reflector sight mounted above the piolets head, I have posted pictures of this before, unfortunatly, I Mislayed the referance I had for this:(
With the arival of the new bombing system the abaility to dive bomb is more and more appealing, and the abaility to use the tools that these planes had as standard equipment would be nice as well, after all they are bombers, why not have model, their sight, it is kinda like leaving the gunsight off on a fighter.
Good Link:
http://www.vectorsite.net/avar234.html
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All true, but dive bombing in AH is already very easy.
ra
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if you have a gunsite or at low alt it is easy, but not from the schnellbomber (at least not for me)
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First: Divebombing is uber-easy in AH, just go into a completely vertical dive (I usually idle the engine for this, cept in planes with dive flaps) and release your bombs while vertical and sight over target.
Second: To use the rear guns in the Arado, just hit F3 for external mode and then 2 on the keypad to get a forward view. Now just move the plane (a little tricky) so the shells hit the target.
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(http://personal.eunet.fi/pp/bucket/Sturzflug01.JPG)
http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8267
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Excelent! Nice post mate ty:)
I think my point may be lost on some of you, this would enable the accuracery that these planes were famed for to be modeled and used, it is a guesing game at this point, branted it is easy to do I do it all the time my self, but the sight would enable us to do it from heigher altitudes and further away, such a devise would allows to excape the ack envelope, and to return some sembalance of bombers atacking targets like hangers with a meashure of consistancy.
In the case of the Arado, a shalow angle high spead dive bomb atack would enable u to throw your bombs onto the target. and get the heck out their, curently the plane is almost usless.
Ya I use the F3 mode one the Arado, but it is BS, I want my freking sight:), I think this may be why we did not get the TU-2 it to has a rear gun that neads a periscope to work. I love the Arado it is one of my favorate planes, i would just like it to be more compleat in the terms of it's modeling.
It has no:
Dive bomb sight.
Drag Chute.
Gun sight.
cup holder.
And please dont get me started on the JU 88:)
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Grendel good one... I wanted to write about BZA too but you did it first so no need to doublepost.. :D wtg
Yep Ju-88 had divebomb 'computerized' sight
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And a bit more about bombing with Ju-88 from actual Ju-88 pilot:
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-OuluVeteransEnglish.html#ju88
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Using the scope to dive bomb? hehehe
Knowing the "Objects in your mirror are closer than you think" syndrome, I can't wait to see the results :D
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OK so this is STUVI it is a divebomb sight from Ju-88A4 and it was a part of BZA.
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And this is what was displayed to the pilot of the Ju-88 on the STUVI during the divebombing attack while using the BZA computer
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Great pics, but english?
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Thnx MadBirdCZ and Grendel for awesome pics.
I have been curious about the Ju88 divebomb site since i read about it in "A Luftwaffe Bomber Pilot Remembers" by Klaus Haberlen.
I agree with Brady. Bring the Ju88 Dive bombsite to AH.
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Just engage the dive brakes do a vertical dive have the eng. at fullpower or idle aim with gunsite and release your bomb
I've done that with a F6F with rockets two 1000 pound bombs
flak hit me many times,but I droped my bomb load on that carrier
NOW IF I CAN DO THAT YOU CAN TO!!!!
SO STOP WINEING AND BOMB SOME TARGETS WITH OUT THE DIVE BOMBSITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ahem thank you
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Akira,
you should really read what is being discussed before opening mouth and spewing out stupidities.
We're talking about airplanes with dedicated, advanced computerlike bombsights. Not ring and bead air to air gunsights that can be used in vertical dive bombing. That's a completely different thing.
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Wow great stuff, TY for psoting and helping to make a better case for the addation of this sight to the JU 88 and AR 234.
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WOW
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even the level bombsite on the arado is wrong and hurts its usage.
The pilot would swing the control column out of the way. Locate the target with the bomb site then "mark it". The plane would correct course and then release the bombs automatically.
Thew glide bomb site in the arado wasnt for "divebombing" it was for shallow angle "glide bombing".
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punt
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The Ar 234's Periscope had a dual function. The Periscope was used to aim the rear guns, and also for shalow angle dive bombing, providing some sort of aiming point no mater how rudementry would be a big help in using this plane in this capacity.
It is hard to aim guns that are aligned with the fuselage CL.
The first Ar234 that was suppose to have rear firing guns was the C-3. The C-3 was the 4 engined model.
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In principle, the Ar-234B had a pair of fixed rearward-firing 20 millimeter MG-151/20 cannon for protecting its tail, with the pilot sighting the guns through the periscope. Not only did the pilot have to be his own bombardier, he was his own tail gunner as well. However, in practice the guns were not always fitted and were never an important feature of the aircraft. Armor plate was attached to the rear wall of the cockpit to give the pilot a little protection.
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No reference source Batz.
from Arado 235 Blitz by Smith/Creek ISBN 0914144-51-0
pg 60
"It was intended to fit both versions (B-1, B-2) with a defensive armament of two rearward firing 20mm cannon, but these were never installed."
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There are several sources listed at the bottom of that page....
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'that page'???
Lets be a wee bit more specific about 'that page'.
Sounds like a quote from a Monogram Close-up which are filled with errors.
Strange that there is no record of any test firings or 234 pilot's combat reports saying they fired the guns in the B-2 or enemy pilots reporting being fired at when attacking the 234 from the rear.:eek:
My first post was badly worded, so let me re-phrase: the B-2 did not have any rearward firing cannon fitted
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The page that is linked at the top of this thread.
Usually when some one starts a thread with a link its a good indication that they are using info from that page.
Whether its right or wrong there it is with sources listed, take it or leave it.
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Originally posted by Batz
The page that is linked at the top of this thread.
Now why did you not say that in the 1st place.:eek:
Usually when some one starts a thread with a link its a good indication that they are using info from that page.
Brady started the thread and you posted no links,:rolleyes:, just posted a quote out of 'Never-never Land'.
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I assumed you had read the thread and atleast looked at the link.. Thats what most folks do. They read then reply.
Since you were responding to Brady's first post (you quoted him) it stands to reason that you would atleast skim the link he provided.
The quote I posted was from the site brady was basing his info on. It didnt come out of thin air....