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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Maniac on September 05, 2000, 02:46:00 AM
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Lets forget the word realism.
Do we want an hard game or an easy game?
Like it or not ver 1.04 is getting alot easier then 1.03 is right now.
Regards.
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
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Assuming this is not an attempt at a "Troll" I'll bite.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Forget realism?
You're having a laugh ain't ya. Realism is the issue. It doesn't have to be hard to be realistic. During the BOB pilots (From all nationalities) were being thrown into combat with less hours experience than it takes to pass a driving test. The fact that so many survived is testiment to the fact that WWII fighters were easy (Relatively) to fly. They would never of made it into production otherwise. You don't knowingly put your most valuable resource (Pilots) into something that's likely to get them killed because it has inferior flying flying ability to the enemy.
TTFN
snafu
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as to my knowledge more F4Us and their pilots for that mater were lost to accidents than to enemy fire ...
I've seen people crash C150s, C172 and ground loop Piper Cubs .. not exactly POWER Monsters all of them... i'd dare to climb into a WW2 Warbird with the experience these people had .. and I think it was merly desperation that made their countries put them in these airplanes with that experience ....
DW6
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How is one arbitrary joystick to control surface mapping less realistic than another arbitrary joystick to control surface mapping?
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"How is one arbitrary joystick to control surface mapping less realistic than another arbitrary joystick to control surface mapping?"
I fail to grasp the meaning of this sentance.. sorry.
What does arbitrary mean?
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
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So, what planes will be the big winners of 1.04 ?
Will K/D show it ?
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What I mean is that the old and new systems for mapping joystick movement to control surface movement are both equally flawed. It's not possible to duplicate the behavior of the real system on a standard joystick.
So you have to make a compromise - choose a region of stick travel that will be "porked". The old system porked the end points of stick travel, and the new system will pork the center point.
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RAF pilots had ~20 hours of P1 (heard an ex-RAF pilot talking on Discovery Channel) before they were sent into combat but I doubt that it was "ease of flying" that sent them up.
On the other hand I don't think it was desperation either. People who made decisions weren't very smart or caring from what I've read/heard.
They were the same people who refused to give chutes to pilots during WW1 saying that it would encourage the pilot to abandon his plane at the first sight of trouble...
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lynx
13 Sqn RAF
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A person should not believe in an ism,
he should believe in himself.
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I watched a BoB programme the other week and one pilot had 8hrs flying time, of which only 45 mins was in the Hurricane that he was about to fly!
Astonishing!
'Nexx'
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Hristos:
the t&b'ers. Most signifcant loser will be the G10 or A8.
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime
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Originally posted by StSanta:
Hristos:
the t&b'ers. Most signifcant loser will be the G10 or A8.
Oh Gawd, Santa, you crack me up sometimes. Hehe, yes, the pinko-facist left winger opportunists will once again be the victims (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Edit: Let me make clear that the statement is alittle joke between Satan and me. If at all you feel insulted or victimized, please call 1-800-AL-GORE and report me. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 09-05-2000).]
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Originally posted by Maniac:
Lets forget the word realism.
Do we want an hard game or an easy game?
Like it or not ver 1.04 is getting alot easier then 1.03 is right now.
Regards.
Maniac;
You should stick to "Writing Skills", for me your "Fortune Cooky Crystal Ball Skills" seem lacking. This could be just ignorance on my part, my ESP capability is lacking.
However....
I know this is a troll on your part, but how about coffing up some bait. Let us all know how you have perceived this to be the truth.
It will take guts...
You got the nards Bud?
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"hehehe...I like this thread squealing Bastids!"
SOB
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My oppinions are not secrets mino...
1.04
Easier FM
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Padlock
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Combat Trim
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
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Easier FM (less speed loss in turns=realistic)
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Padlock(realistic)
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Combat Trim(gotta wait and see how it is, I like the idea of trim not giving more elevator deflection in turns)
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Hang sticks his toe in the water...
"roadkill. This ain't real water. It's porked"
Hang looks at thermometer. 104 degrees today.. Hang looks back at the water.
"Screw it. It's wet and cold. That's real enuff."
Hang executes a perfect 1 1/2 gainer, and hits a rock 3 inches below the surface.
"Damn, the fargin rocks sure are realistic.. (groan) ....MEDIC!!!"
Another new revison, another swimmin hole, another rock or two.. life crawls on. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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Originally posted by Maniac:
My oppinions are not secrets mino...
1.04
Easier FM
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Padlock
+
Combat Trim
Very good points Maniac, but realisticallismly how do you know it will easier? IMO you are still have not supported your claims, be more specific.
The only component of 1.04 that I have read about so far that could possibly make things easier was described by HiTech himself. That was his description of dissappearing Icon's.
My flying style takes advantage of ambush tactics so disapearing Icons should make this easier for me to do.
But...
From my experience thus far in AH, anytime the game changed, player tactics changed. This created tactics to counter those tactics. This in turn changed more tactics etc etc tec....
The key word is change.
Lighten Up! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"hehehe...I like this thread squealing Bastids!"
SOB
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Maniac;
If you get time read through these threads:
Mino's and Indian's Comments (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/005098.html)
Hitech's Comments (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/005088.html)
To my understanding the way trim currently works is this way (in concept only):
Consider the maximum range of deflection for a control surface, in this case the elevator. Suppose that full movement of your joystick provides a control surface maximum deflection for the elevator of 20 degrees.
This means the elevator will deflect 20 degrees upward and 20 degrees downward using full forward and back motions of the joystick. This is the case when the trim control for the elevator is centered.
Now take the elevator trim control and move it all the way down. So that you have maximum down trim on the elevator.
What you have done is only to adjust the range for the elevator by moving the center point of operation. It still only moves 20 degrees upward and 20 degrees downward, but the center piont has moved 10 degrees downward.
So this is now the case, when using the joystick for a full forward and back movements. The maximum elevator deflection is now 10 degrees upward and 30 degrees downward vice 20 degrees upward and 20 degrees downward.
I don't think trim realistically works this way. You decide.
As too your other concerns about top speed, you might be interested that this is not nearly the issue that you condem it to be. Try AutoTrim and become proficient with it, most players use it constantly with very good results.
Good Luck! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"hehehe...I like this thread squealing Bastids!"
SOB
[This message has been edited by Minotaur (edited 09-06-2000).]