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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: brady on July 17, 2002, 04:25:05 PM
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I will be reruning the Aug. 1945 set up from a couple weeks ago it only ran for 3 days, and I am going to enable a US CV, to give more depth to the plane set, 95% of the battle will still be caried by the Russians howeaver:)
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The CHOG will available on that CV no?
My, that would certainly "add some depth." :)
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Oaky so we get to fight all the freakin UberRusskies, plus the F4U1C?, and F4U4?
With Zekes Ki-61s, and N1k1s, what a fun idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't forget the Spit14s, it wont be a good bashing without it. I am making plans for my many cyberfunerals as we speak.:rolleyes:
Sorry Brady, Love your work and appreciate all you do, but this USSR IJ things a stinker, and If your going to add the late war American stuff as well, it going to be a very long week. I know it's just my opinion. There are a lot of guys that prob love it, but they'll all be in LA's, F4U4's.
Oh well "Duty is as heavy as a mountain, while death is a light as a feather"
How do I get outta this chicken outfit???:D
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Lowe's got a point, Brady.
I'm sure you don't set these up with IJ bashing in mind, but IMO, the late war Russian/USN against a decidedly midwar IJ aircraft mix is not very balanced.
The Japanese side will probably be outnumbered and turn to the N1K for surviveability. Gaggles of N1Ks and F4U-1Cs is not what I hope for in the CT.
This setup will improve greatly though, if and when AH gets more Japanese a/c -- particularly the Ki.84.
though - I know you are a proponent of more late-war Japanese a/c in the game, and I thank you for running CT setups that include the Japanese. It still beats the MA!
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I didn't play the Kuriel set up. What is the plane set, exactly?
I would recommend
. La-5FN
. Yak 9T
. IL-2
. F4F
. FM-2
. SBD
. A6M5
. Ki-61
. Japanese bomber and divebomber (can't remember names offhand - Dinah and Val?)
This would give 2 VVS fighters, 1 VVS bomber, 2 USN fighters, 1 USN bomber, 2 IJN fighters, 2 IJN bombers. I think this would give a balanced plane set to both sides, with a slight edge to IJN for bombing, but a slight edge to VVS/USN for fighters.
You could have 1 USN carrier with the F4F, FM-2, and SBD and a Japanese carrier with the A6M5 and Val(?) so that both sides would have equal navies, or otherwise base the A6M5 and Val on land bases.
I wouldn't want to see the La-7, F4U-C or -D, or N1K2 because these planes already get a lot of flight time in the MA. Part of the joy of the CT is that it allows me to fly planes that would be eaten alive in the MA.
I'd rather suffer from historical inaccuracy than suffer from unequal planesets.
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sorry lowe and oboe i have to disagree with ya on this one i love this set up yes the russians have the speed(but speed dont kill the pilot ability does) but i am one to fight as the underdog the russians arent hard to beat , the trick is to make them lose there patiance and with that they will lose there E advantage trying crazy manuvers they would not normally do thinking that speed is all they need to rack up kills.
I do not see the need for the f4u in this set up and the la7 should be perked a little the other planes the yaks with low ammo loadouts and la5 are not that hard to dispatch they are frail espiecialy in the radiator only takes a few hits to cause them to leak and they will not run long .
we will definatly have our work cut out for us in the 27th
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Brady can correct me if I'm wrong. But I think that when he speaks of giving some depth to the plane set, what is is trying to do is to provide the Russians with a Jabo that is not a sitting duck. The Yak is of zero value in this regard and the La-5 and La-7 have very small bomb loads. (But the La-5 is great plane to do a hammerhead dive bombing approach in if you have not tried it.) As such the addition of US Naval planes seems a reasonable addition.
I do think though that the CHOG is borderline overkill. Might a few "captured" ME110G2's fill the Jabo hole for the Russians?
Disclaimer: The above in the opinion of a player who has the "skills" to be shot down by any plane in the planeset regardless of what he is flying.
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Originally posted by keyapaha
sorry lowe and oboe i have to disagree with ya on this one i love this set up yes the russians have the speed(but speed dont kill the pilot ability does) but i am one to fight as the underdog the russians arent hard to beat , the trick is to make them lose there patiance and with that they will lose there E advantage trying crazy manuvers they would not normally do thinking that speed is all they need to rack up kills.
Honorable Keyapaha.............. "
Are you out of your F$%king mind??":D
Sorry a little Cheech and Chong humor was called for.
I respect your opinon most honorable Keyapaha, may I have your Saki and Geisha rations when you fail to return?;)
Good nothing better than a confidence, I feel better all ready...
Don't I???:eek:
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Comrads, The US planes are only available off The One and Only US CV in the game, and The Coursares are not uber, they die prety easy if you ask me, in fact I got so many kills aganst them in my George I went to the Tony and still did ok.
Lets face it a Blue plane is a blue plane if u are a Japanese player, they all handel like a "hog on ice" and they all are faster, they all cary at least twice the ordance and are imo, easy to kill in a Japanese plane. So it doesent realy mater how many of them their are available. Also they nead not be perked since they realy hold no serious advantage over the Japanese plane that is their competiour, the George.
The Russian planes only advantage is in spead, in all other catagories they are inferiour.
I ran this set up and play tested it my self, I found no glaring gaps in play balence, if it appears I was mistaken as the week goes on then I will make adjustments.
Clearly we nead more Japanes planes, but the simple fact that the Allied player has more choices at his disposal has absoluty nothing to do with playabality from the Japanese side of it.
The secondary reasion for adding a CV is to allow those squads who like CV's to be able to do somthing with it, and provide an enviourment for them to be able to use their favorate planes.
I sugest you come in and Give it a go tomarow, you may find that it is fun:)
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I thank you for adding the cv brady. Chog is not really that necessary. fm2s will be nice. Just as long as I dont have to fly that russian crap I will be happy.
erg
vf-27
"the guys in the sentai used to squeak about not having hogs...."
hehe low blow. sorry. Just glad to see that pos setup that is in there now leave.
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You will have your C hog mate, and the F4U4 as well.( their my favorate to kill:) )
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Hehe... by the other posts... people are worried about fairness... lemme tell ya what... there is NO such word! Niki's, nope, not my style... Now a patiently flown zeke or tony... lookout, I'll be on your 6 faster than you can say "oh Sh*t"! And, I will kill you... one way or another. As long as I have my jap iron, heheh, but I would rather square off with corsairs. Easier that way, in the long run.
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Thanks Brady
I've got my whine button safety wired to overide this month.:p
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Bradys... I seriously question your motives...
Free F4u4's????
Ok right now the US cv is within easy reach of axis bases.. and guess what... 75% F4u4's flying about...
A free F4u4 i would have no problems with if there was a free ki-84 in the set...
let alone the la7 yaku's
This current planeset only highlights the weakness of the japanese planeset in AH which I know you have been very vocal about in the past.
If thats your goal (to improve it) <$> man!! I too want to see some of the other planesets expanded.
Be nice to see an historical japanese torp added too!!!
kinda tough to kill that one CV with no real jabo's or buffs to speak of.
BUT, i won't be flying this CT setup no mo, or any other 'late' war setup that contains the japanese planeset standing alone.
SKurj
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I think you may be ocer reacting, I watched a Guy kill two F4U$'s in a tony then got a couple my self, they are not uber imo, and the Japanese have the TBM for the sake of replacing the Grace, also the KI 67 has it's torp, and I watched 3 gues sing the US CV while it was being defended.
The Ki 84 is not going to uppreform the Geroge with that much of a wide margine the US planes will still be faster.
All the US late war planes are faster than the Japanes planes, and will always be.
I am sory you think this is wacked, but I just do not see it.
The La 7 is and will always be just faster.
Like I stated above it does not mater that the Allies have X number of planes to pick from and the Japanes have X number of planes to pick from. To the Japanese a blue plane is a blue plane they are faster and handel horably. The Japanese planes will always out manuaver them and their is wheir they get their kill this will always be the way it is no mater what plane is added to the plane set.
The only way around it is NOT to do a late war plane set. Seriously I see a lot of US planes going down it does not seam unbalenced at all. The f4U4 imo is WAY overated.
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when this setup ran 3 days last week i had killed like 5 f4u 4 most in an a6m5.
Bradys... I seriously question your motives...
pffffffft what motives brady will fly mostly japaneesesplanes in this set up any way.
Quite frankly what you are offereing is no more then a whine.
I flew last time this map was up and had no problem dealing with the us planes including the f4u-4. I even flew a val a few times.
:rolleyes:
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A squadmate and I flew a6m5 last night and combined for 3 Corsairs. IF the allies fly straight, they are untoucheable, but then again they can't get anything done. As soon as they try to reach an objective, you can hit them hard.
Also winged with Skurj for a bit. As you saw, that blue plane was no threat.
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naa not really a threat +)
But i had the same problem the last time i flew in a late war set that included jap vs us. Only at least this time niks aren't perked.
Seriously tho... AH can only field what ? 2-3 late war japanese fighters if that...
SKurj
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Man I had had a bit of a revalation last night, I switched from my Belovied Japanese planes to the US side since the Sides were a little un even. Hating Blue planes they way I do I decided on the Wildcat, not having used it much. WOW! on 25% fuel I was out turning N1K2-J's!, seriously they had to use flaps to try and stay with me!, this was a Big suprise to me, I was under the impreshion the Wildcat was not a decent turner, well I got a few Georges with it:)
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Originally posted by Löwe
I respect your opinon most honorable Keyapaha, may I have your Saki and Geisha rations when you fail to return?;)
You can have that, I got his Sushi & Green tea! Mmmm... You made me hungry! :D
J/K Keyapaha btw, I fly japanese some in there, its not that hard to get kills, speed is definitly not everything, I've shot down a fair amount of russain planes in the A6m, and have even gotten some kills with D3A in the MA.
But I do prefer early war setup in CT, I can live with this for a week, at least its a Very nice map!
Getting pretty late, I g2g to bed now... will dream about Sushi & GreenTea all nite ;) (I love Japanese food!)
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I've flown both sides in this set up, and been equally successful (and unsuccessful;)). It's actually great training to be forced to switch quickly from B&Z to T&B and back again. Didn't see that many F4's of any type (I flew F6F when flying of the CV). It was a shock when that Tony ran me down in my Hellcat...hadn't remembered it could do that). Fortunately, my evasives held him off long enough for a friendly to clear my six. Also got to love the toughness of the F6F...got me home on a wing and prayer.
Sabre
CT Staff
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I have to admit, my earlier whines about the set-up are just that whines. It seems the Ij planes are holding up better than I expected, and I am having greater success than the last time this set-up was ran. Could be I am just getting more experianced in Ki-61.:)
Sabre, coming from an F6F squad to a Ki-61 squad, I always noticed the Ki-61 was a pretty good match against the F6F, now that I am flying against F6's in a Ki-61, I feel they are very close in performance. The F6F is in trouble if he gets slowed, the acceleration on the Ki-61 is greater, and it takes a while for the F6 to chug up enough speed to extend. However the F6F seems to be a much better climber, plus the Ki-61 doesnt have the large ammo load like the F6F.
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Originally posted by Löwe
I have to admit, my earlier whines about the set-up are just that whines. It seems the Ij planes are holding up better than I expected.
That wasn't my experience. I took up a Tony on Friday just to see what's what. Didn't see any La-7s. Didn't see any Hellcats. Didn't see any FM-2s. Didn't see any TBMs. It was Corsair, Corsair, Corsair, and oh, a Corsair. Spent most of the flight time chasing them while they extended out, then they came back and HO'd at me, and when I went defensive, another one would BnZ at me from above. I couldn't catch them, I couldn't engage them, I couldn't escape them. The guys flying with me were shot down after two turns. I was on the deck, running for home, got BnZ'd to death. Wasn't fun.
I was going to just stay in the MA until next week, but maybe I'll grab a Corsair and fight on the easier side of the war.
Get rid of the Chog and -4 and level the playing field.
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gofaster, I am sory your experance was a negative one. I would point this out though, with the exception of the Wildcat and the strike aircraft, all the US planes are faster than the Japanese ones(not of course the Early Coursare) Also on Friday the Free F4U4 was a tasty treat for the For the Coursare fans since it was free. Since then I have seen far fewer of them. The CT is a good thing for a number of reasions, one of them being that people can use their favorate rides withen a historical context, a benifit of that is that at times we can include perk planes at little or no cost. After much deleberation I decided that the C hog and the F4U4 were by no means unbalencing, and I beleave to this point that is still the case.
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Yes im 5 days late on this subject but, how the hell is a C-Hog unbalancing? Because it has 4 20mm? Isnt that what a N1K carries? Maybe different types of cannon but its still 4 20mm and far superior in a dogfight when you get your "Blueplane" low and slow. (then dont get low and slow right?:D ) You dont even have to get that slow. I think those Japanese rides hold there own quite good. Just one mans opinion, Im not taking jabs at anyone Im just not seeing where the F4U-C is the scourge of the skies that has some unfair advantage becuase its well armed. Anyway, feel free to enlighten me. But like I said, Im not starting toejam, Im just not buying the C-Hog argument.