Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dirk on August 06, 2001, 02:34:00 PM
-
Hi everyone.
I'm very new to Aces High being a former Warbirds player. A friend of mine told me about Aces High and I downloaded the application to give it a whirl.
I haven't tried the free two weeks yet because of one thing. This game costs $360 a year. $360. That is a LOT of money to play online. My ASDL line doesn't cost $360 a year. I can't justify the subscription because I know I won't be playing it enough.
Does HTC have any plans to offer a play per day or 1/2/3 week passes? I mean, come on. Windows 98 doesn't cost $360 a year to use.
What would I pay? I would pay per play, pay for X hours, or pay per week.
I saw a message about someone else complaining about this. $30 a month may not seem a whole lot, but over a year, I don't think so.
Think about it. Would you pay $360 for Quake? Rainbow6? Flight Simulator 2000?
Guys, am I being unreasonable? Should High Tech Creations make available flexible subscriptions? Is it that good of a game to justify $360 a year?
Dirk
[ 08-06-2001: Message edited by: Dirk J. Keloski ]
-
Former WarBirds player? Were you there during the hourly charges? WarBirds had to go flat rate because of Aces High.
I smell something....
-SW
-
Prepare to get flamed. :)
I think the 2 or 3 week passes are a good idea.
-
Funked, how much is the highest iEN plan. Premium or whatever.. isn't it like 24.95$/month?
I must be missing something.
-SW
-
It costs about as much as cable, and I get more use/enjoyment out of AH.
It's only a buck a day, foo. :D
(http://www.1800collect.com/home_mrt.jpg)
-
maybe HTC could sell aces in a boxed version, for say around 40-50 bucks, then more people = more money for HTC which means they could reduce monthly cost yes?
Of course aces would still be updated as it is now, and the orginal cost of creating, marketing the product on whole to the regular store shopper would be costly at first, but the change (if marketed well) will bring in 100 fold amount of x dollars....
Bring it to the store and it will be purchased... Hype it up and it will be purchased...
I think HTC could have it in the stores as well as online. All the money brought in could reduce teh pay per month cost to maybe around 10$ a month? maybe less?
-
Originally posted by Dirk J. Keloski:
Think about it. Would you pay $360 for Quake? Rainbow6? Flight Simulator 2000?
Of course I wouldnt....but then again, Quake, Rainbow6 and FlightSim2000 dont offer me the chance to fly a well developed flight sim against others over an internet connection.
Guys, am I being unreasonable? Should High Tech Creations make available flexible subscriptions? Is it that good of a game to justify $360 a year?
Dirk
[ 08-06-2001: Message edited by: Dirk J. Keloski ]
It all depends on how you value your entertainment dollar. I usually fly more than 30 hours a month, so for me it breaks down to less than $1 per hour. At the very minimum, its less than $1 a day for most folks (except those of us in TX who have to pay tax on our purchase). I think that I get enough entertainment and fun value out of it for $1 a day.
[ 08-06-2001: Message edited by: sling322 ]
-
Originally posted by Dirk J. Keloski:
Think about it. Would you pay $360 for Quake? Rainbow6? Flight Simulator 2000?
[ 08-06-2001: Message edited by: Dirk J. Keloski ]
Nope, Nope and Nope
to play AH, one lousy dollar a day.. HECK YA!
before AH, I paid over $100 a month (once or twice) at $2 an hour for Warbirds which wasn't worth it but was my 1st on line flight sim experience. Then I found FA. I was paying $10 a month for Fighter Ace after they dropped it from $20 a month for less than a tenth the enjoyment I get from AH.
Break it down by the hour and tell me where you can entertain yourself for less. And the $30 a month is a good dweeb filter...
You get what you pay for...if it isn't worth it to you, there's always WB3 or WW2online :)
-
Originally posted by DeeZCamp:
maybe HTC could sell aces in a boxed version, for say around 40-50 bucks, then more people = more money for HTC which means they could reduce monthly cost yes?
Of course aces would still be updated as it is now, and the orginal cost of creating, marketing the product on whole to the regular store shopper would be costly at first, but the change (if marketed well) will bring in 100 fold amount of x dollars....
Bring it to the store and it will be purchased... Hype it up and it will be purchased...
Unfortunately it isn't that easy. Only HTC knows the exact numbers of what they are pulling in and paying out, so it's best to let them make the business decisions. I'm sure they already thought of the boxed idea, but at roughly $4/CD to make and give them just a simply CD case with CD art, that might be too far out of their currect income to do.
Originally posted by DeeZCamp:
I think HTC could have it in the stores as well as online. All the money brought in could reduce teh pay per month cost to maybe around 10$ a month? maybe less?
I only seperated this one comment from the rest because I wanted to comment on the "10$/mo maybe less" part.
You have to factor in bandwidth, server space, server upgrades, server maintenance (both in house and at the ISP), and other small nuances that are required costs to make a server run. 10$ would be the minimum anyone can go right now. (Microsoft can afford the $9.95/unlimited for 'The Zone' because they are practically a monopoly in the PC software business).
-SW
-
"I can't justify the subscription because I know I won't be playing it enough."
I can understand that.
For me however $360/year works out to be a $1.00/day. That is a lot less than a couple of coffees/sodas each day, take out lunch a few times a week or several Friday and Saturday nights each month spent at the movies/local pub.
However I do hope HTC finds some means to offer different plans for low usage players some day, soon.
Westy
-
Originally posted by Dirk J. Keloski:
Should High Tech Creations make available flexible subscriptions? Is it that good of a game to justify $360 a year?
Right now thay have the simplest system customer accounting system that requires no oversight or management. They most likely outsource bill collection to some accounting company for a small sum because it is so simple.
Introducing any other system will cause them to create software monitoring/measuring access, set up and manage a database with that information, spend time handling user complaints and problems (any software that exists always causes some problems), etc.
Having only 6 people on staff means that hiring another person is a major step for the company.
I assume you are not working yet, Dirk. Once you start, $1 a day will not seem a significant amount to you compared to teh enjoyment you get. By that time flight sims and PC technology will be better too.
You will value the time you spend at much higher rate, so quality of the game will be much more important then a nominal price.
Average age of players in this game is well over 30.
There are other sims that give you full or limited access at $10 a month. You could try them for now. They may arguably not be as good as AH, but plenty of people play and even prefer them.
I am (plesantly) surprised at how moderate the responce is to your post - not a single flame. Many players here used to spend over $200 a month when WB was $2/hour. Some even remember Genie at $6/hour.
For now I do not recommend for you to try AH. You do not have much money and probably have to study in order to get a high-paying job. AH may prove so addictive as to be threat to both your finances and time. Wait a few years. :)
miko
-
1 less lapdance a month.
-
Wulfie once spent $360 for a single night with fatty's mom. To date, he's the only one that has done that and come away the next morning still a virgin.
In comparison.. is $360 a YEAR for Aces High all that much to pay?
AKDejaVu
-
$360 is about the cost of a new GForce 3,which I would need to play WW2OL.As long as I don't have to upgrade my PC,AH is a bargain..<P3-450 TNT2 256 meg> ;)
-
When $360 is alot to anyone, they should be working overtime or getting a education to better their income/career, not playing games.
AH is dirt cheap. Coffee is more expensive per day.
-
Agree with Creamo here........
For 5 Years i paid an average of $325.00 a month for Warbirds and enjoyed every second of it. Thats $3900.00 a year. Some months where more as i had a bit more time over the winter to fly.
$360.00 a year is nothing, as Creamo pointed out i spend more that that in 2 months for good coffee. You will pay for your hobbies no matter what the cost. Doesnt matter if its a car ya put money into R/C models or a kit plane. If its what you want to do, you will pay for it.
Dog out............
-
hi all:
I am not flying in AH right now do to lack of money and many bills to pay. But I wil be back one day soon I hope. If I go out on a Friday night, I spend up to a $100 bucks, and when I have the money, I will be out every Friday night blowing a $100 bucks, so yeah, I will pay $30 a month to play AH. I just have to get caught up right now, then I will be back.
-
It is alot of money.
The number of people willing to pay it makes it worth while to HTC to continue at that rate. Many of the people that play do not pay that full rate however. Quite a few are participating in the delivery of the product as trainers and scenario designers and officials. Many were involved in a scheme that was run several months ago to acertain where the most profitible price point of the game is and fly for 10 or 20 per month. Rumours abound of large squads from other games negotiating themselves a better rate to come over.
But give it your 2 week try! Its a great game and if you play as much as some of us do its not really expensive.
At 45 canadian a month it is exensive. Thats 550 or so canadian a year. But its only 50 cents canadian an hour at the rate I play when Im at it. And its almost a guerenteed good time for me. I cant get that anywhere else.
If you think its too high after trying it for 2 weeks. Cancel and let HT know. When you cancel your account it will ask you why.
Tell them.
-
Remember,
AH is a constantly improving game/sim. That is what you are paying for. "Offline" games cost $40 or more. They get old after a month. AH never gets old, it keeps getting better. :)
<S>IC
-
Wow, not to bad of responses so far. I figured with the Quake and other references, lets just say I was going to suggest a place for good ceramic tiles.
Would I like it to be cheaper, sure, why not? Do I think it’s worth it? Well they do have my credit card ;).
$30 will buy a lot more than you would think. Part of that provides a very diverse community with subscribers from all over the world. It also provides a mature and some times eccentric community. Don’t get me wrong; we all throw a tantrum now and then. Customer service, well the individuals who created the simulation actually fly in it, follow the BBS, and are quick to clear up account issues. From personal experience I had lost my credit card and forgot to update my AH account with the new number. Long story short it was a weekend holiday on a Friday and I was squared away! Did I also mention that updates to the game are received on a fairly regular basis.
The competition in AH is outstanding. There are some really good sticks in the main arena and, for myself anyway, it is still very challenging.
There was a joke on channel one (open to friendly and enemy) the other day about the subscriptions. It was pretty much that they should come with a disclaimer:
** Warning Aces High is more addictive than Cocaine! **
If you can fork it out, it’s worth it.
Zippatuh
-
if you don't want to pay $30 for ah then go to wb iii in sept.
littman told everyone on-line last night that wb iii would cost $9.95 month flat rate for unlimited use after the free august trial.
he said that it wouyld be $24.95 month for wb2, dawn of aces and wb iii if you wanted all of them.
good move and that price will attract a lot of players.
-
I LIKE the idea of 30.00 amonth. It KEEPS the quake types out for the most part AND it appeals to the hardcore sim type alot more.
Bottom line is... you get what you pay for.
xBAT
-
Originally posted by Checksix:
if you don't want to pay $30 for ah then go to wb iii in sept.
littman told everyone on-line last night that wb iii would cost $9.95 month flat rate for unlimited use after the free august trial.
he said that it wouyld be $24.95 month for wb2, dawn of aces and wb iii if you wanted all of them.
good move and that price will attract a lot of players.
I haven't flown WBIII yet, but if what you say is true, yee-hah! I've been feeling the pinch lately and have closed my accounts.
But I could swing 9.95/month!
-
Originally posted by batdog:
I LIKE the idea of 30.00 amonth. It KEEPS the quake types out for the most part AND it appeals to the hardcore sim type alot more.
You're joking of course. :D
I don't think price makes any difference at all to anyone's behavior.
Just look at the amount of control freaks on this board plus the language filter crowd any night in the fantasy MA(this is hardcore?). ;)
-
Personally I think $30 is not that much money for a month of something you like....
However - I have only just started playing it - and am not on it all the time, and therefore not really getting my money's worth. (well, especially if you include the $150 for CH pedals...).
Having options for billing are always nice as you can get the best value for how you play the game. I'd go hourly until I played it more than 30 hours a month..... But if the option is not there you jusy decide whether to subscribe or not. Are HTC okay about you stopping and re-starting if you aren't playing for a month?
What I resent more than the $30/month is how rude people are about one and other on these bulletin boards. I am trying to learn more by reading here - but some people ("get a better education and earn more money...?") just don't seem to respect other people's opinions or seem to be able to have an adult educated discussion. This perhaps puts people off playing this game and interacting with the user base?
Perhaps there are people that earn a lot of money and are highly educated, but have a lot of expenses and find $30/month excessive?
Why does a discussion about whether or not the game is good value turn into personal insults?
Why do most of these threads (bar some really good ones) turn into a school playground?
-
Originally posted by Steve:
Why does a discussion about whether or not the game is good value turn into personal insults?
Why do most of these threads (bar some really good ones) turn into a school playground?
Because there's a handful of people (everyone knows who they are) that love to be message board bullies and post drivel. Simply watch the responses to this thread (and this post) and you'll see the same ones over and over. That won't change even if the price of AH was $100 per month. These same insecure people will still try to control everyone else's ideas and opinions on here.
-
Gotta agree about the customer service thing. I had to call Pyro at HTC about some Rumble details...
Out of habit I was expecting one of those deals where you press X number to reach X department to get X recorded info blah blah...
Instead it was... "Hello?"
A bit startled, I said "Hello? Hi.. I'm looking for Pyro, is he around?"
"This is Pyro", he said.
It may not seem like much... but when you look at how this company and this sim has evolved over the last couple of years you'll soon realize just how significant it actually is... and how that customer/developer relationship is reflected in the very thing we end up flying night after night. It's practically inherent.
You can't get that anywhere else. But don't take my word for it... call yer local cable company (who's costing you about as much) and complain that there's nothing worth watching.
-
I must be missing something here.. I don't see a single personal attack in this thread.
-SW
-
WTG Ruskie. That was the first personal attack in this whole thread.
AKDejaVu
-
No Deja it was a general attack .. but thanks for helping him out and making it personal :P
-
There you go Dirk... you question answered and validated. :D
Surprised it took them so long. ;)
Still a few more to come yet and you'll have the whole crowd that cause most of the discord.
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame20.html (http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame20.html)
They'll need the last word to maintain their status, so I'll stop posting now to keep this thread short.
-
I still have no idea who this Ruskie is talking about..
Are there some people posting that for some reason I can't see in this thread?
Hmmm
-SW
-
Originally posted by Creamo:
[QB]When $360 is alot to anyone, they should be working overtime or getting a education to better their income/career, not playing games.
==========================================
This particular reply is not as 'personal' as a lot I see here - but it is this one I was referring to. Personal because the by the nature of these boards it refers to people already commenting on thinking $30 is a lot of money per month.
-
I don't see that as personal at all, I see that as a true-to-life statement. Advice if you will.
If you were snorting cocaine, and complaining it cost too much, well I think we know the obvious solution. Work more, or quit the habit.
<shrug> That doesn't even remotely come to close to offending me.
-SW
-
Who is Ruskie?
What part of “Is $360 per year for AH?” and my answer “that is dirt cheap” do you resent so much Steve?
AH is cheap, it’s way well worth it, and if you think $30/month or $360/year, or a $1/day or however you want to split the cost up is excessive at all, it’s my opinion you shouldn’t pay to play. Obviously those players would have time and financial obligations elsewhere that’s all. It’s not rude, just my opinion.
Perhaps, as you elude to, there are indeed highly educated people that have a lot of expenses and find $30/month excessive. However, I’d venture to guess that education is not in accounting, economics, or finance. To be successful and that buried in bills $1 seems excessive? Ok, I guess it’s possible.
I find it ironic that where my post was a simple opinion and quite a matter of fact, it’s your post that directly insults me (quoting my response) and then inferring I’m incapable of a adult discussion, I put off potential players, and have turned the thread into a playground. When you post a “woe is me, these BBS bullies are so terrible, why does a discussion about whether or not the game is good value turn into personal insults? “, you have to be clever enough not to insult people while doing it. It discredits your complaint, as it makes you what your so concerned about. You have to work on that. Granted, I don’t care what you say about me, it just is self defeating your purpose.
$1 a day, I’m sticking to it.
-
"Who is Ruskie?"
Good question. An enigma I believe. Or more just a handle used to hide his real in-game callsign because he's afraid what he says here might tarnish whatever reputation he might have. Or he's a WB player lurking around here teetering on the fence between AH land and WB land.
Or he's just some player's one of many aliases used to reply to himself to make himself seem like he's got a lot of people on his side and he does this with the intention of thinking sheer numbers will influence people.
You're right about one thing Creamo, he is one of those people he detests so much.
Being a self-righteous hypocrit can't be good for the health.
-SW
-
Well, point taken and I apologise if I offended you directly (which was not my intention).
-
hi,
i'm not longer in ah like
most of you know.
but some US players don't think about a the
expensive dollar in the moment.
30$ are lots! of german marks right now.
wastel
[ 08-07-2001: Message edited by: HABICHT ]
-
Dirk,
I'm surprised no one mentioned the Free Head to Head play. It's not like the Main Arena with 30-150+ people online but it is a fight against real people.
I can understand where $30 a month could be considered quite a bit of money, but if you don't think you'll be online enough to justify it then your better off with the free head to head anyway.
-
See it as a hobby.
Let's compare it to one of the other things I do in my spare time :). I usually try to go scuba diving at least 2-3 times a week during the summer, and once a week during the cold months.
So, naturally, I first had to invest in some gear.
Drysuit: $1000 (for cold water diving)
Wetsuit: $350 (not too hot during the summer)
Fins: $140
Mask: $60
Knife: $50
Dive computer: $410
Underwater compass: $40
Regulator set: $560
Just for the gear, that's $2610. Then there's yearly maintenance of regulators and suits, and that ain't too cheap either. Of course, add a membership fee for a club and, when yer on weird locations, a fee for refilling yer tanks.
Of course you could rent gear, but that's very expensive and you never know what piece of crap you get - and I don't gamble with life supporting equipment.
Now, for my hobby Aces High. I need 1 decent computer, which I already have purchased for other purposes. Upgrading it once every two years sets me back $350 or so. Aces High fee another 350.
Compared to scuba diving, it's dirt cheap. Compared to skydiving, even more so (how does $10 for 50 seconds of fun sound?).
If viewed as a hobby, it's cheap. If viewed as something in the same category as TV, it's probably expensive.
2 * 12 litre 230 bar tanks: $350
-
Santa... wheredahell do you go Scuba diving?
Isn't the water up near Denmark cold all year round?
-SW
-
That’s a good analogy Santa. I have my own reloading press, bench, dies, digital scales, etc which was far more than AH. Of course the more I reload and reuse the brass, the more money I make back. The last time I figured it out I had already fired enough rounds that I paid back the press ;).
With powder, bullets, primers, targets and range fees Aces High is less expensive.
Zippatuh
[ 08-07-2001: Message edited by: Zippatuh ]
-
Your all looking at it wrong.
Buy 360 days at 1.00 a day, get 5 days free.
See what a deal that is? No coupons either.
-
G'day all
I can see how US$360/year seems like a LOT to pay for a game, I live in Australia, and our dollar is worth roughly half what the US Dollar is, so we are talking just shy of $750/year I pay to play Aces High.
It costs me pretty much the same to register my car for 12 months.
My car takes me from point A, to point B, in a reasonably comfortable fasion, and a lot faster than
I could walk......I kinda like that, so I dont mind paying rego.
Aces High, on the other hand, takes me to some amazing places, gives me the chance to 'bring to life' some of my boyhood dreams,
and has introduced me to some of the most amazing people on this planet.
I've met mad Me109 driving Germans with their bloodlust up, I've been hunted down by redneck Americans in Mustangs, I've been blown
to fragments by raving mad Englishmen in Spitfires, made a mockery of by flashy Italians in ....err.....those flashy Italian C thingies.
I've escorted fresh faced B17 crews half way across Europe, and I've laughed hideously while my 190's guns tore a Lancaster to shreds.
I've dragged a wounded Hellcat what felt like halfway across the Pacific, dodging Japanese fighter patrols, only to witness my carrier wear
a spread of torpedoes amidships as I turned in on finals.
I've sat peering into the darkness through the gunsight of my Lancaster's tail turret, praying i didnt see any fighters, but at the same time hoping like hell I saw them before they saw me, and I've seen mates and wingmen spiralling Earthward in a ball of flame.
I've experienced the sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach, when you realise that what seemed like an easy target, is in fact a way better stick than yourself.
I've felt the exhileration of winning a hard fought one on one dogfight that lasted 10 minutes, I've laughed and pulled the trigger when a sucker move has worked.
I've kicked my desk and sworne up a storm when I was promptly shown who the real sucker was.
I've seen truely awesome displays of courage in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds, and I've seen guys crumble and run at the first sign of aggression.
I have a dozen or so squadmates who I've never met, but count as some of the best friends I have, as well as a thousand or so guys who are into the same kind of stuff that I am, and dont mind me sharing their hobby and 'playtime' with them.
All that for the same as it costs me to register my car.
Two bucks a day, and to me, having that much fun, and interacting with so many differant types of people from all around the world on a daily basis, is worth way more than legally being allowed to drive my car on public roads :)
US$30/month?.....worth every cent.
<S> Blue
-
very well said Bluedog!
-
Originally posted by Zippatuh:
That’s a good analogy Santa. I have my own reloading press, bench, dies, digital scales, etc which was far more than AH. Of course the more I reload and reuse the brass, the more money I make back. The last time I figured it out I had already fired enough rounds that I paid back the press ;).
With powder, bullets, primers, targets and range fees Aces High is less expensive.
Zippatuh
[ 08-07-2001: Message edited by: Zippatuh ]
I used to think that but the reality is the more you save by reloading the more you shoot, and you actually in the end spend more money than if you had to buy factory loads :)
Archery is the ticket I say, a dozzen arrows lasts you years.
-
Well said blue but you missed one part of it.
Get the 30$ membership, at a dollar a day.
Then make yourself a promise that you'll find the time for one hour a day to ENJOY what your paying for. Stay up late, get up early, skip an hour of mindless TV, whatever it takes.
Find some extra time on the weekends, cool, thats bonus time, enjoy it!
Everybody deserves at least 1 hour a day just for themself.
-
Heh...I quit smoking to pay for Aces High. So far I've not had any squeaking from my lovely wife about cost :)
It costs me about $46.00 Canadian and that is :
1 round of golf
2 cases of beer
1 carton of cigarettes
1 tank of gas
2 tickets to the football game
2 tickets to the baseball game
1 night at the bar
It is quite simple if you put it in perspective.....
Ruskie and guys like him get mad when we DEFEND the price of Aces High, because it is more than his allowance :p
-
Its too high for me!!! make it $19.95 and i'll be in
I would cost me same as skernsk, which is hmmm over $500 a yr, as a student I can't justify that.
Right now i have a few options WB3(at least temporarily), AWMV(not goin back there), FA(never), WB2.7(too much $$), ww2ol(flight side of the game sux performance wise!)
Sigh...
Guess i don't have an option for now
SKurj
-
Its too high for me!!! make it $19.95 and i'll be in
I would cost me same as skernsk, which is hmmm over $500 a yr, as a student I can't justify that.
LOL! You must be a liberal arts major ;)
AKDejaVu
-
Heh..skurj it would be GREAT if we could give 30 of our coloured "Canuck currency" :)
-
I hate you Skernsk!
-
Seems those americans are more lobotomized then in their movies.... 30 USD isnt much when you live in country where you can make a bit better money
But those dude in AH arent from US
so check you head
-
BTW AH cost me 80% of monthly income .. welcome in our army :))
do you wanna join to our army ? :) its free
\
-
yeah ur right.
im an aussie and it costs me $720 a year!!!
but i would galdly payy for it if i had a job and wasnt broke because of uni.
rav(messiah1)
-
Originally posted by EagleC:
BTW AH cost me 80% of monthly income .. welcome in our army :))
do you wanna join to our army ? :) its free
\
if it cost me 80% of my monthly income, I'd have my head examined if I paid it. Same reason I don't take real flying lessons, not in the ole budget, or that 3 week trip to Hawaii, or that month long fishin trip to Alaska, or that....
Just because I can't afford it, doesn't mean it should be cheaper...
-
Originally posted by rosco-:
I used to think that but the reality is the more you save by reloading the more you shoot, and you actually in the end spend more money than if you had to buy factory loads :)
Archery is the ticket I say, a dozzen arrows lasts you years.
You might be right about this. A day at the range is about 150-200 rounds.
Arrows, well they may last longer indeed, but they play hell on the thighs trying to quick draw :D
Zippatuh
[ 08-08-2001: Message edited by: Zippatuh ]
-
Wow guys. Lot of great comments. It seems a lot of you are very passionate about this game which means there is a strong community behind this product.
That being said, I will try the two free weeks and give it a whirl. I can afford the subscription, but only if I use it enough to justify the cost. Maybe it'll be soooo good it's addictive.. :D
One question I do have, how many customers is HTC loosing because of people like me who are occasional players and don't think the $30 a month is a good buy for playing 4 hours a month? Heck, I'd pay 50 cents per hour or maybe $3 for a day pass.
Now, who should I join? I see there are three different teams, rooks, bishops, and the knights.
Dirk.
-
Whoever suggested that a higher price keeps the "younger riffraff" out is also saying that maturity comes with wealth? I 100% disagree with that idea. Looks like a few people seem to be secluded and haven't opened their eyes to the world yet. I call that "virtual stereotyping." Wealth does not put you in a higher level in the social hierarchy. Blah, I don't even believe in a social hierarchy. Call them what you want, but I say there's either mature people, or immature people; no age, wealth, gender, race, or any other variable factors in.
Does it matter if you fly with immaturity? How hard is it to laugh it off or EVEN IGNORE THEM. WOW what a thought! There *is* a squelch command in Aces High ya know.
I hope everyone can agree with the above stated.
Back to the main topic.. Here's my thought: Lower the price to make everybody happy and attract more customers. DeezCamp was on the right track with the boxed CD idea. HTC doesn't necessarily have to box it but just find a way to attract customers w/ a lower cost. In the long run I think it can please everyone. HTC's game/job will be safe(er) with more customers. More arena's could possibly open (maybe that Historical Arena that many people want?). I know HTC had mentioned that they want to stay small, but how small is small? Could a few hundred more still keep it small? Who cares if they're new and have only quake/newbie still. It's our job as vets of AH to set an example of how WE want the community to be. Be leaders.. lead by example and not verbal abuse. Here's an example:
AH has grown significantly. They now average 300-400 flyers a night. A Historical Arena and other arenas have now opened. The MA is still it's own basic 'practice furball/whatever arena.' A group of newcomers are just starting and on that particular night, a squad is having their weekly meeting. The newcomers see highly organized, highly skilled pilots tearing up the arena and think, "Wow! I would love to be like that.." So they follow your example and eventually, in time, the newcomers have molded into the ideal Aces High community. Poof, newbies have skill and are satisfied with their accomplishments. The newcomers can then in turn teach newer newcomers. Yes you'll have the usual loud and obnoxious types.. just ignore it.. they're probably frustrated and will find their own calling sooner or later. The whole thing is a cycle of people leading by example, learning, and growing with the community. OK.... i'm done with that now.
Lastly the cost could make it easier for almost everyone to access AH.. not just the wealthy or mature people (dont worry, I'm not stereotyping the WHOLE community. If you don't fit that description, then you should agree with me :D) Your true colors are not represented by your 'social status.'
I've gone on too long, and went off on a tangent with many different ideas.. I hope y'all understand where I'm coming from and take it to heart. Just my opinions on this thread. Thanks
oct
[ 08-08-2001: Message edited by: Octavius ]
-
Well I am one of the ones who left partly because of price. I was not getting enough "flight time" in the game and needed the funds to help out around the house because my wife lost her job. So yes every penny count till something happens positively. If I had the spare change laying around I would have finished the upgrade on the computer and the continual AH sub but that is another story.
This is not to say I don't make enough to support this "hobby" but I would rather have the money coming from a source other than the one we are using to support the necessary daily and monthly expenses.
-
Sorry SKurj: I can't do 19.95.
.....
How would 14.95 be?
HiTEch
-
??
I'm still rubbing my eyes to clear the goo that messed my vision up and made it look like HiTech publicly offered AH at not 2/3'rds the going rate but 1/2...
-
If this means what I think it does...
Looking over the past week with details of the enormity of 1.08's release, the introduction of the CT, the start of the TOD series, and now perhaps chopping the price in half...
Holy shiatsu! HTC are makin' STRIDES!
[ 08-15-2001: Message edited by: Nash ]
-
Amazing. At that price, this is THE deal in WW2 Flight Sims, beyond doubt.
Just don't starve yourself out, HT! :)
-
If they seriously go to $14.95, that means I can afford to pay and play while I'm in college too...
Or is $14.95 a special offer?
-SW
-
"Just don't starve yourself out, HT! "
Really!
I'm also dreading this may end up in cut backs somewhere or somehow to compensate for the lower price. I for one have been extremely happy with thier service, connections, hosts, rate of upgrades, bug squiching and just over all quality of AH.
I guess I have mixed emotions on such a lower price. Then again I'm also not thinking about how this effects just me (as a player and consumer) as many others tend to do.
Westy
*then again maybe HiTech meant $25.95 and it was a type. He's almost as bad a proof reader as I am. ;)
-
It's spelled "typo". :D
-
HiTech wrote
How would 14.95 be?
Oh man! Would be great! That'd mean I would have food for the last week every month :)
-
Tadaa!!!
-
HTC agrees, thread over!!!!!!!!!!! 14.95!!!
-
Mucho Appreciated HT!!
(tho i'd already signed back up... +)
SKurj