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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LoGo on July 18, 2002, 12:43:45 AM
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With the introduction of AKDESERT you can't help but notice how many people use GV's, and with all the talk of osty perking we might need a town porker replacement, If HT was to introduce a StuG42, Wespe, Hummel or an M7 the osty would no longer be the town porker of choice for GV drivers
I think the ostwind should be perked, and a SdKfz 250/9 or PzII should be inroduced to take its place, ( not flak vehicles but lets face it, limited elevation has rarely stopped any of us from shooting down aircraft )
*digs in and awaits verbal onslaught from flyboys and flakpanzies* :)
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Is there a reason you listed mainly German vehicles?
US and Germans have enough GV's, time for a Russian T34-85 and Katyusha and a British GV.
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my bad :), I'd love to see T-34's ( the 85 would have to be perked ) or a perked JSII, the SU76 and JSU152 would excel at town porking (nice ROF on the 76mm), my point was to introduce a new vehicle type, the assualt gun.
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As for British GV's.....*cough*..... anybody?
I dont know about the rest of you but I have no love for Pommy tanks :D
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I don't think thr T-34/85 would need to be perked.
When compared with the PnZ IV H it would look like this:
Pro:
Faster
Better armored
Better main gun
Con:
No AA capability
Fewer rounds
Poorer optics (if optics modeling is added to AH)
The T-34/76 would look like this:
Pro:
Faster
Better armored
Con:
No AA capability
Much worse gun
Fewer rounds
Poorer optics (if optics modeling is added to AH)
In the context of AH the lack of any AA capability whatsoever is a critical weakness, especially in a perk unit.
I submit that the T-34/85 should be the top end, non-perked, main battle tank.
The first perk tanks should be, IMHO, the Panther V G, the best version of the tank built to kill T-34s.
British tanks would be nice eventually, but for now I think Russian, German and American GVs are the way to go.
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true, any GV without AA defence would be avoided like the plague
I agree on the Panther, I would hate to see the PzVIB intrduced before it or the Tiger1, the JSII would be the Russian perk GV of choice (DShK 12.7mm AA defence if I remember correctly)
did the Russians have AA vehicles or did they only use lend-lease types?
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I would like to see the Lee or the Grant tank, you could have a guuner for the 75mm and the driver could man the 37mm to shoot at any flies that might get near the tank :D
Or how about the M3A1 with the 75mm
Or the M7HMC Priest with the 105mm, that would do a bit a damage to a city.
Or the StuPz IV Brummbar with its 150mm,:o( think I'll stand waaaaaaaay over there) :D
Or how about a SPW 251/1 to carry troops with and well were at it, a Junkers 52 to drop troops with.
at least it had a couple of pea shooters for mild entertanment. :p
Well the list can go on for hours, so lets just leave it up to the folks at HTC to sort out.
:cool:
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I'd rather waste my time making suggestions, really, I don't mind at all :D
while I'm at it how about perk boats, no more CV's unless someone has 1000 perks to spend on one and a stack of wingies in 100 perk destroyers and maybe 1 or 2 500 perk battleships (disregard this paragraph)
I don't want to pressure HTC ( after all the whining about the 1.10 patch I'll bet HT started smoking filterless cigarettes ) I'd still be happy if HTC refused to update AH, these are after all suggestions not demands
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When talking about boats, I would still love to see a sub introduced to the game. As for GVs, what WWII sim would be complete without a Sherman tank. Not the most powerful, not very pretty but faster than most of the WWII heavies.
Regarding the following quote:
"Reality's for people who cant handle drugs" -D Cignoli 1995
I don't know who "Cignoli" (fast times at ridgemont, maybe?) is but this quote was around long before 1995.
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Zipity I'm betting that you at least will someday get your desire. HT has talked about subs in the past. Just a matter of time I think.
As to Vehicles, I'd love to know what his plan is.
I'd really like to see damage modeling looked at for all GV's plus several new ones added, includeing a perked Tiger.
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Ghosth, heres your perked Tiger (http://www.apechild.com/gallery/elin.php) (Psssst...Tiger Woods Girlfriend ;) )
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(regarding quote)
WWHHOOOSSHHH
i thought it originated from him, some well known smoker (cant remember from what). must be just one of those quotes that gets recycled by different peeps... as most of em :)
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Aces Low, isnt that the game StSanta was working on?
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Actually Karnak the 85mm on the T34/85 was somewhat inferior to the KwK40/L48 75mm of Panzer IV in AP capabilty. Then if a soviet tank is modeled vastly inferior soviet optics must also be modeled. They were inferior by design and technology not by poor production so it is no different than lets say performance disadvantages by less advanced aircraft in AH.
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Yeah but Grunherz...
The PZ IV already has... unrealistic zoom, and a 'fantasy' gunsight...
Zoom for a PZ IV was what 4x? what do we have in AH? 10x?
Give us accurate sights and the engagement ranges would drop abit, adding to the fun, and provide more historical accuracy when adding new vehicles sure..
But ya can't make one historically accurate and not the other...
SKurj
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I agree the hit and destroy ranges I hear about in Ah are simply rediculous for WW2 tanks. One can make silly arguments about AH tankers having experience and all that but it's simply beyond reasonable the long range hits we have.
With that in mind no matter what aiming system and optics AH has Soviet optics should have markedly lower precision and performance than German optics, which were by far the best in the world during WW2.
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GRUNHERZ,
I was also counting the capability of the HE shells, which on the 85mm I assumed to be superior. I might be wrong on that count.
I knew that the high velocity German 75mm gun was superior to the Russian 85mm gun. I was not aware that the PnZ IV H had the high velocity 75mm gun.
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the 85mm and the 75mm L48 had similar (85mm marginally better) AP ability out to about 1400M, but past that the 85mm is considerably superior. the only time the 75mm L48 was superior was when using the PzGr40 tungsten rounds..... which for the Germans were as rare as hens teeth.
you can't beleive everything you read..... :) ..... :confused:
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In addition to more realistic sites, the ground war would certainly benefit from better terrain. As it is you're either on a hill or on flat ground. If you hide behind a building, someone or ack will shoot you right through it.
What would be real nice would be a tree line you could hide in to set up and ambush. A sand dune you could pop up over, take a shot than back down into safety. Buildings that woud allow you to drive in through the back side and wait for your prey to drive by the front. Definately some type of cover or camoflauge (sp?) to keep from being spotted from the air. (that could be interesting, keep your tank still for 5 minutes and automatically have a camo net deployed to make you invisable from the air)
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" I don't know who "Cignoli" (fast times at ridgemont, maybe?) is but this quote was around long before 1995."
Thats would be Spicolie.
Nothing like a cool wave and a tasty bud.
Right Mr Hand?
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Originally posted by Karnak
GRUNHERZ,
I was also counting the capability of the HE shells, which on the 85mm I assumed to be superior. I might be wrong on that count.
I knew that the high velocity German 75mm gun was superior to the Russian 85mm gun. I was not aware that the PnZ IV H had the high velocity 75mm gun.
Karnak
The normal 75mmms used on german tanks were
75mm l24, really only an HE weapon early panzer ivs
75mm l43 used on the Panzer ivF2 much better AP capablility
75mm L48 used on late Panzer IVs G, H, J, better again and fairly equivilent in AP to the 85mm on the T34-85, except in HE of course.
75mm L70 on the Panther. Much supperior to the 85mm on the T34-85 except for HE.
The T34-85 would be more useful for anti tank then the Panzer IVH because of its supperior speed and armour and parity in killing power. More resistant to Osti fire...
A great tank for AH.
great looking too.
and the M4a3(75)w...mmmm
50 on the roof and gyro on the gun...
Great looking tank too.
Then the game is ready for the 60 perk panther.