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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: funkedup on July 20, 2002, 04:55:19 AM
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I think it's about time you guys joined the land of the free!
http://www.geocities.com/us_int/USI-Canada.html
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Unless you agree to the "Theme from Hockey Night In Canada" as your national anthem..no chance.
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no thanks... we got enough people here allready who vote the socialist and "safety at the cost of freedom" ticket allready.
lazs
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I've lost track of how many times Canada has been awarded "The best country in the world to live"..
And you want us to join you...?
....BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTT!!!!!!
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freedom in this case = very few very very very rich people run and own every thing and make all the rules.
ill give up that freedom. canada dont seem very friggin oppressed to me.
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Originally posted by lazs2
no thanks... we got enough people here allready who vote the socialist and "safety at the cost of freedom" ticket allready.
lazs
Hmm...
How many black activists died in the 60's, for what you now enjoy as true freedom?
How many Republican Governors stood in front of school doors,and would not let the blacks in?
How many Canadians died in WW2,before the USA tuned in?
The answer my friend
Is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind..
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Dangit Hes right.
Let's all move to Canada!!!!!!!!!
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Screw moving!! Hell, lets have Canada annex the USA!!:D
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i don't want canada in the US , i can't speak french
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Sirloin,
My friend, I'm afraid it was Southern Democratic governors who stood in front of college doors to prevent blacks from enrolling.
CromMAW,
Forget it. They don't need our empty-headed politicians and academics running their country. They'd just screw up one of the most beautiful and laid-back counties in the world.
Regards, Shuckins
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Governor Faubus was democrat?
Please prove me wrong.
When he stood at the school entrance and denied anyone with black skin entry,even Ike saw the light and sent in the good old 101'st Airborne to ensure people had equal rights upon entering a bloody high school.
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Originally posted by crowMAW
Screw moving!! Hell, lets have Canada annex the USA!!:D
Heheh, way ahead of you. Except we are going to annex...THE ENTIRE WORLD!!! MUAHAHAHAH!!
http://www.standonguard.com/
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SirLoin,
Being a life-long resident of the state of Arkansas I can say without fear of contradiction that Governor Orval Faubus was, indeed, a DEMOCRAT! So was Governor George Wallace of Alabama!
The biggest impediment to the passage of Civil Rights legislation by Congress during the 1950s and 1960s was the voting blok of Southern "Boll Weevil" DEMOCRATS!
By the way, did you know that during his last term as governor of Arkansas Bill Clinton employed former governor Orval Faubus in his administration?
By the way, Ike, the president who sent the 101st Airborne to Little Rock to enforce segregation was a REPUBLICAN!
Most of the Jim Crow laws passed in the Southern States in the early 1900s were enacted by DEMOCRATIC administrations.
Regards, Shuckins
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I appologize then.I tried to find what party Wallace and Faubus were.My search failed...
That is very interesting history for sure then.I find it hard to believe JFK would send the National Guard against a senator of his own party.
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SirLoin,
Thanks for your reply. I teach this stuff in some of my high school classes, so I have some of this information at my fingertips.
If I could afford it, I would consider retiring to Canada! But would that make me a Yankee?
Regards, Shuckins:)
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Originally posted by SirLoin
...I find it hard to believe JFK would send the National Guard against a senator of his own party.
An excellent troll anyway . Facts, schmacts, as long as the demagogery works on stupid and ignorant.
A typical dem ticket.
"Vote DEMOCRAT, and you'll never have to read nor think again. We'll tell you how it is."
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Originally posted by SirLoin
That is very interesting history for sure then.I find it hard to believe JFK would send the National Guard against a senator of his own party.
The South remained a very strange mix of party and ideology after the Civil War in the United States up until the late 1980s/early 1990s. While the national Republican and national Democratic parties found their own ideological niches (left of center for Democrats, right of center for Republicans ideologically), the South remained staunchly Democrat and strongly conservative. Lincoln, after all, was a Republican, and much of the post-Civil War, post-Reconstruction South wasn't about to elect a Republican regardless of his ideology. Virginia, for example, didn't elect its first Republican governor until 1969.
The result was that, over time, the Democratic party, long associated with racism and segregation in the South and elsewhere, liberalized and began including the classic constituencies now associated with them. In the meantime, the Republican party began gravitating toward a conservative constituency. All the while, the South remained out of step with the national ideologies of their parties... so much so in fact that by the 1950s and 1960s, northern Republicans were more "liberal" than most Southern Democrats. The 1964 Civil Rights Bill was passed over the vehement opposition of conservative Southern Democrats by a coalition made up of Northern Democrats and Northern Republicans (Republican congressman Everett Dirksen of Illinois was essential to bringing Republicans to the table on civil rights).
Throughout the Reagan era into the Bush Sr. administration, regions began a long overdue partisan "realignment" in America. Conservative Southern Democrats converted to the Republican party, and the South largely began voting Republican. For the most part now, states and regions in the United States tend to vote "accurately," so to speak. Conservative constituencies North and South vote for Republicans, and more liberal constituencies vote Democrat... as we'd expect.
Hope that helps, SirLoin. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Thnx Dead man..
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Originally posted by SirLoin
How many Republican Governors stood in front of school doors,and would not let the blacks in?
I believe Governer George Wallace of the Great State of Alabama was a proud Democrat when he stood in the schools front door
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I believe Governer George Wallace of the Great State of Alabama was a proud Democrat when he stood in the schools front door
Out of curiosity, how many of out neighbours to the south could name the first Prime Minister of Canada, without looking it up? Or ANY provincial Premier?
No way to confirm this, but I would bet not a one.:p
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nahh
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I DO! I DO! (Raises hand!)
It was Tony Blair! Wasn't it!?
Nah! Actually it was John Macdonald. He wasn't actually a native born Canadian though was he?
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by Shuckins
I DO! I DO! (Raises hand!)
It was Tony Blair! Wasn't it!?
Nah! Actually it was John Macdonald. He wasn't actually a native born Canadian though was he?
Regards, Shuckins
Lol..I'll have to search that too Shuckins..:)
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Where is Canada, its a place? They never even mentioned Canada in school. :eek: I thought that it was that seldom used word for the meaning of "I can and I outa" like getting up from bed in the morning when its too cold. You would say, "I canada get outa bed so I canada go to work or school today". Or, "my system has frooze so I canada play ah right now."
:D
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Originally posted by Shuckins
I DO! I DO! (Raises hand!)
It was Tony Blair! Wasn't it!?
Nah! Actually it was John Macdonald. He wasn't actually a native born Canadian though was he?
Regards, Shuckins
Bing Bing Bing!!
You are correct! Sir John A Macdonald, was in fact, a Scot. He was one of our founding fathers, the main force behind our first transcontinental railway and was famous for getting chit-faced in Parliment.
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In the late fifties I was in the south as a kid... I seen colored drinking fountains and colored sections at resteraunts. they were on their way out. Most people were pretty much ignoring some of the sillier segregation by then. A lot of forced integration may have caused more harm than good. Bad ideas eventually die on their own.
I really don't want canadians here or as a state. They are way too socialist for my taste. The ones who like the U.S. way are here anyway. I think canada will eventuallyu rethink their government and socialism in general. Canada is so underpopulated that the effect os a lot of it's laws are not felt by a majority of it's "laid back" citizens.. In Idaho for instance, who cares about a seat belt law on deserted roads?
I fear a large block of canadians voting in U.S. elections.
lazs
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Really...:o
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Canada will be having a civil war first. Then there will likely be some type of re ordering of the borders.
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I can think one one real good reason why we don't wanna annex Canada.
French-Canadians.
I often find them even more despicable than the French.
Even the rest of Canada can't stand havin the miserable lil toejams mucking about... but the liberal Canadian left wouldn't let 'em form their own their own lil pompous-ass country for fear we'd nuke the lil arrogant froggy turds right off the planet.
We would, ya know.
;)
'Save Canada from the French. Harpoon a Froggy."
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Gotta go with Hang on this one.
Cobra
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Me laughing off chair!..:)
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Canada, is like living in a loft, above a really great party.
------Robin Williams
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Originally posted by Pongo
Canada will be having a civil war first. Then there will likely be some type of re ordering of the borders.
Some of my Canuck friends hold with great pride that Canada is one of the few nations that did not require a revolutionary or civil war. They seem pretty stable to me.
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Ya, well if the current government stays in power much longer, stay tuned.
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The Canadians may not have had a civil war or revolution of their own, but they had a part to play in our revolution.
Textbooks in the U.S. inform our students about the history of the thirteen English Colonies. In truth, there were more than thirteen if you count Canada. The various settlements that made up Canada during the American Revolution remained loyal to the British. How much sympathy there may have been in Canada for the American cause is arguable, but the smaller population of the Canadian settlements would have had a more difficult task in throwing off the British yoke, even if they had wanted to.
Ten years ago I traveled through British Colombia, Alberta, and the Yukon Territory on my way to Alaska. The wilderness and scenery of those provinces are some of God's finest handiwork. The most endearing thing about them was that they were largely unpopulated. If I were a Canadian, I would beg my government to build a wall to keep American businessmen and environmentalists out to prevent them from ruining that exquisitely beautiful country. The businessmen (I'm thinking mainly of American timer industries) should be kept out because I have seen firsthand what they have done to the Southern Hardwood Forests of Arkansas. Environmentalists should be kept out because quite often they feel it is their duty to interfere with native lifestyles that are not politically correct, i.e. traditional hunting and gathering.
Regards, Shuckins
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Oops! Typo in the above post. I meant American timber industries.
Shuckins
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Anschluss.....
Vote Ja, or else!
We're coming you UN peacekeeper bluehat weenies. ;)
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We'll trade you Quebec for Florida - half of our citizens live down there anyway :)
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yeah...canada needs to remain the way it is. once the US mainland is too radiated to live in , maybe they will let us homestead in their pristine wildernesses... heheheh
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If Canada is just the big green hat the United States wears, what would Mexico be???????
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Lol!:D
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O Canada!
Sigh!:)
Regards, Shuckins
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(http://www.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/goldmine/bumperstickers//ignatzmous_canada.jpg)
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My grandpa didn't fight for our country, for me to run to a country run by socialists. He'd kick yer bellybutton to Russia, if he were alive! Why? USMC 43-46.
Anyways, I hate Maple Leafs, I rake too many.
Masher
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We're lumberjacks. We're absolutely huge. And we're coming down to kick your asses.
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Three feet wide, 4 feet tall.
Attack of the hockey puck dwarves, armed with Molsen Empties and Leaf Blowers.
:D
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Originally posted by Shuckins
The businessmen (I'm thinking mainly of American timer industries) should be kept out because I have seen firsthand what they have done to the Southern Hardwood Forests of Arkansas.
Regards, Shuckins
Actually the Canadians are dumping timber so cheap that they've made it more profitable for the sawmills to buy Canadian timber to cut into lumber instead of cutting our own timber, at least in Northern California. Add that to the closure of GP and LP sawmills and the subsequent dumping of lumber and the future of the California timber industry is looking pretty bleak.
Harwood Mill in Branscomb, Mendocino County, California is the last mill to stay open in the North County area (down from 50 or so sawmills back in the late 50s), but they've cut back from two shifts to one and they bus in migrant workers for the non-skilled jobs. Coupled with the recent decision to ban commercial rock cod fishing the economy of the North Coast of California is in the toilet. It's sad seeing people lose their livelihood through no fault of their own.
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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
It's sad seeing people lose their livelihood through no fault of their own.
I'll say, 15 000 Canadians have lost their jobs because of Bush's tarrifs. Free trade my butt. Capitalism my butt as well.
"It takes a lot of two-by-fours to build a house. That's why Canada exported about $10 billion worth of softwood lumber last year to the United States. But now a trade war threatens the wooden exports.
Part of the conflict arises from the Bush administration's backing of the U.S. forest industry's bid to hit Canadian lumber with billions of dollars in duties. Canadians exporting south of the border are charged a 19.3 per cent countervailing duty — a tax applied on imports found to be unfairly subsidized — that the American government imposed on Canadian exporters earlier this year. Then there's the anti-dumping duty of 12.57 per cent introduced in October, 2001. Dumping is a term used to describe the sale of goods to another country at less than what they cost to produce."
http://cbc.ca/news/indepth/background/softwood_lumber.html
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Thrawn, thanks for the link. My interpatition of the dispute is that even with the import tariffs it's still cheaper for lumber companies to buy logs from Canada, ship them down here (or as LP would like to do, ship them to Mexico) for processing.
Obviously the timber harvesting rules in Canada are much more lax than they are in California so maybe GWB is attempting to level the playing field. Irregardless having our few remaining sawmills left cutting Canadian timber by migrant workers doesn't do the average American citizen any good.
It is intresting to note the corporations pressuring GWB to tariff Canadian timber under the guise of protecting American jobs are the very same companies who have been closing sawmills here and reopening them overseas, though.
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I imagine that before the tariffs US lumber companies were getting fediddleed and now with the tariffs, we're getting fediddleed.
Makes sense that Bush would put in the tariffs to protect American workers and companies...if it wasn't for that damn NAFTA. We got plenty fediddleed in many other industries because of it, but in the end we said, "Yeah, we can compete with you, let's knock down those trade barriers." And then this happens.
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If Canada is dumping timber on the American market it doesn't seem to have made a difference in what is happening in southern Arkansas. One of our local timber companies recently sold out to a rival company. Now they're cutting more pine and hardwood than ever before, especially hardwood. At this rate, there were will be very little hardwood left in two years time.
In five years this place will look like Mordor.
Regards, Shuckins
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The timber harvesting rules in Canada are not more lax than in the US, if anything in recent years they have become extremely tight. The styles of logging, especially on the west coast, have become restrictive to the point that they can't make money selling lumber anymore since the cost of raw logs is brutal. I have some great pictures of helicopters plucking logs off of hillsides so they don't have to put roads or clearcut areas.... you can't tell me plucking logs in 2's and 3's with a helicopter doesn't cost some major $$.
The biggest reason for cheap Canadian lumber is that everything in Canada done to cut the trees is paid for in CDN bucks which hold only 63% of the value of a US greenback. That makes our logs cheap. It also makes most other Canadian exports (paper, minerals, oil, etc) all cheap too but that doesn't stop the US from importing those.
Grew up in a logging town, with saw mills, and paper mills producing products from tree chips. US tariffs have put a lot of people out of work even in what used to be my small neck of the woods. A lot of medium sized communities have all but dissappeared. It'll only get worse too, know people who have been to mills in some 3rd world places, no environmental considerations there, and they produce stuff even cheaper.
-Soda
The Assassins.