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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Voss on November 07, 2001, 05:23:00 PM
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Well, we all knew about Booky. Now Preon1 and AKLarry join the list.
Today, Preon1 used his 'roommates' computer to log in and find a CV one of the Bishops had moved from immediate striking distance. Since, the cv wasn't in easy range, a few rooks decided to cheat to find it. Using a second account a defector moved to the CV and spied for them. When that didn't work, and their scheme was exposed, Preon1 then defected, took control of the CV and sailed it into easy range of rook forces. He could do this since he outranked every bishop online.
Well, that's what he tried to do; but logged in shame instead.
This is a CHEAT! HT says there's nothing he can do about it. Think harder, HT.
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Voss ]
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Sounds like next weeks winner.
HiTech
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How does Larry fit in?
-SW
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Larry started writting a game that would blow AH out of the water and .... oh wait... scratch that.. :D
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Originally posted by hitech:
Sounds like next weeks winner.
HiTech
heheheh....
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dissalow them to command CVs for a few hours after they switch shouldnt be too hard they can prevent them from switching Countries cant they.
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Damn iT I wAnted to Say that Ski!!
:D
-SW
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hahahhaha!! ROFL!
This gets my vote for next week, and the week after, and the week after that...
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I don't know what to say Voss... *sniff*
You've made me into such a celebrity :)
Thanks for the vote HT, I won't let you down.
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Sounds like next weeks winner.
HiTech
RFOL HT. It got my vote.
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Dem's fighten words!
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Vruth ]
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lol You guys are funny! Larry fits in because ... and I cant believe he would do such a horrible thing ... USED the information provided to try to sink the CV. Thats right ... the location of the CV was given to him, and instead of IGNORING it, and flying around in his bomber for hours looking for it, he actually used it.
Alas, his Arado was taken down by ack, and Voss awarded the proximity kill. Thats how Larry fits in ... what a pathetic loser.
NIM ... *cough* *cough* larry
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Originally posted by hitech:
Sounds like next weeks winner.
HiTech
too funny!
voss, 'it's just a game'
i dont think losing the cv ruined anyone's night.
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Originally posted by moose:
'it's just a game'.
Ssssshhhhh, that is a secret darn it.
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Hey Voss, Hows that flight sim comin?
Still looking for investors?
Wab
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Well, we all knew about Booky. Now Preon1 and AKLarry join the list.
Today, Preon1 used his 'roommates' computer to log in and find a CV one of the Bishops had moved from immediate striking distance. Since, the cv wasn't in easy range, a few rooks decided to cheat to find it. Using a second account a defector moved to the CV and spied for them. When that didn't work, and their scheme was exposed, Preon1 then defected, took control of the CV and sailed it into easy range of rook forces. He could do this since he outranked every bishop online.
Well, that's what he tried to do; but logged in shame instead.
This is a CHEAT! HT says there's nothing he can do about it. Think harder, HT.
Damn guys.. you have to quote a whine of the week in case he changes it later.
AKDejaVu
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Spies!?
How unrealistic!
There were never any spies in WWII, everyone knows that!
eskimo
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It's THAT Voss ??? You sure?
<puts on Wersdorfer voice>
This is gonna be GREAT!!!
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Originally posted by AKWabbit:
Hey Voss, Hows that flight sim comin?
Still looking for investors?
Wab
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I don't read a whine in there anywhere, HT. Just a statement of fact.
No, Larry, the ack that hit you was me. Then you admitted to cheating on open channel. It must be an open sore, as a lot of your AK buds have responded.
The rest of these guys (asses all) don't have a clue!
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Today, Preon1 used his 'roommates' computer to log in and find a CV one of the Bishops had moved from immediate striking
distance. Since, the cv wasn't in easy range, a few rooks decided to cheat to find it. Using a second account a defector
moved to the CV and spied for them.
Hey Voss, just out of curiosity, how do you know that Preon's roomie was sitting in the CV tower? He could have been in any tower in Bishland.
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Is it cheating? Well the game does allow it. Does it go against the spirit of the game? I certainly think so. I think Hobodog has the perfect solution. I don't see what the hell Voss's past has to do with any of it.
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Hey Voss,
How about some screen shots?
Dev update?
Comon man...
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Milk it Voss!
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(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/graemlins/lol.gif)
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Oops, yes, HoboDog I didn't mean to include you with all the clueless posts. Your suggestion actually echoes mine in another thread (uncommented upon by HT), and I find that refreshing.
Mjollnir, it is a well known fact that you can highlight a players name in the clipboard roster and then hit the 'goto' button. He was the only bishop on the CV (other than me), and coincidentally, the only player with a team mate in rookland.
Thrawn, they are not capable of going there with you. Hate and discontent is all these tulips know.
AKLarry, I don't think you really meant to 'cheat.' But, you said you did. What you said was, "I got word of a cv's location, and acted upon it," or something like that. What gave you away was the fact that one CV was between you and the one you were after. You left it alone. That meant your cv locator was a defector. That's how I found him. As to your cover story: If your best friend in High School got the answers to the upcoming Calculus test, and you knew he had the answers, would you get them from him? Obviously, you would.
This action goes against the spirit of the game in a big way. Many of you have proven to be ruthless to a fault. You would sell your grandmothers last breath for a kill. In a word you are full of guile. I don't admire guile.
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Originally posted by aknimitz:
Alas, his Arado was taken down by ack, and Voss awarded the proximity kill. Thats how Larry fits in ... what a pathetic loser.
NIM ... *cough* *cough* larry
Here's you "Whine of the week."
Pathetic is right. I told you I hit you, Larry. I told you your use of the Arado was pathetic, too. Worse, it's pathetic talking about yourself in third person.
If, HTC had the CV as a model category for expanded stats, you would see that I have at least thirty-eight CV kills and no deaths to CV's while flying the Arado. I have lost three to disco, and one to a 262.
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Promote Suicide, it Works!
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If you guys (opposing country) resort to hiding the CV up where no one can use it and you yourselves are not using it, I think you should immediately disclose the location of the CV.
Having failed to do that, I think it is perfectly reasonable for a rook to defect and find the location and report back to the bishops the location. Aint nothing wrong with espionage - especially when the game is being gamed.
Nim
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Originally posted by Voss:
You would sell your grandmothers last breath for a kill.
I think most fighter pilots would IRL too, guess that makes virtual fighter pilots a similar breed.
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didn't I say it was a game?
ah well. i'd bet a dollar no one really cares all that much.
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I profoundly disagree. Concealment of CV's is one of the main mechanisms whereby a country can be reset, and not necessarily the country that has "lost" it's CV.
In my view, a port capture, and successful "extraction" of a CV to safer waters is one of the most satisfying strategic elements of the game, possibly only topped by a deep raid to get it back! I've done both.
Many people had worked tonight, with good teamwork to achieve that, and to have it undone by Preon1 changing sides in order to steer our CV to his mates was pure "gaming".
I Hope HT implements the time limit on country changers operating CV's as a matter of urgency. I do agree with you that CV's should not be indefinatly hidden. I would suggest that a further refinement would be a 72 hour interval after capture, after which the host would award ownership of the CV to the current owner of the port. (or similar)
I note that you condone "espionage" but not Preons actions, frankly I think both are gaming, but changing sides to suicide a CV so your side "doesn't lose" is pure crap.
Fidd
Originally posted by aknimitz:
If you guys (opposing country) resort to hiding the CV up where no one can use it and you yourselves are not using it, I think you should immediately disclose the location of the CV.
Having failed to do that, I think it is perfectly reasonable for a rook to defect and find the location and report back to the bishops the location. Aint nothing wrong with espionage - especially when the game is being gamed.
Nim
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Fidd ]
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Look Voss,
You may see it as cheating. I know many do. But I look on espionage as a fact of the game, and a very wonderful aspect of it at that. Tell me you have never seen this scenario:
You organize a mission:
Low level fiter sweep followed by high altitude escorted buffs.
It takes you 10 minutes to pull the people together, during which time, planes miraculously start rolling from your target and STAY there.
This has happened to me all the time. No doubt, someone has told the badguys that a major attack is coming and so-and-so base is the target.
Solution?
Fly to the target as expected, hit them high with your fiter sweep, but at the last moment, turn your buffs to your alternate(real) target in a timely manner so the defense at the dummy target can't catch up and the defense at the real target doesn't have time to get to alt.
Why is this cool?
Espionage is a convenient bonus in Aces High that adds a human level to the game that no amount of programming could ever POSSIBLY offer. Personally, I consider it a major part of the strategic and operational aspect of the game.
Did I use my roommate's computer to log on and switch to Bish? Yes.
Ofcourse, how hard is it to believe that warring nations don't use spies?
Did I switch to bish myself to turn the CV? Yes.
Ofcourse, how hard is it to believe that opposing nations don't attempt to send forged orders to isolated units? You could look at that as me taking advantage of the fact that I had a higher rank and wanted the cv back (yes it was more than a bit off sides)... or else, you could consider me a damn fine Intelligence and Communication officer.
Finally, if you're looking for a punishment, HT has forbade me the command of CV13. Hopefully it will only last the duration of this war, but perhaps its a worthy cost of getting caught :)
In any case, I have no regrets, I have no qualms with what I did and what people still do, and I have no doubt you've disagreed with everything I've written here.
So I suggest this:
Everytime you see somebody commiting an act of espionage, report it. Make it public. Start a one man campaign against the evil that has infiltrated the innocent game that we know of as Aces High, because if you don't... I think perhaps nobody will.
Save us Voss
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See, now Fidd why do you have to go and be a love muffin and start insulting people because they disagree with you? I am no more clueless than you are Oh Mighty One of Right Doings and Gaming-the-Game Protocol.
I have my views, you have yours. I have no problem with you thinking that is sound tactical strategics - I however do not. If we are even on the same country and it is benig done with a CV, I will announce its coordinates at once. *shrug* Ill play the game I want to play the game, and you do the same and we'll all live happily ever after :)
And yeah, changing sides is a bit much I agree. But I suspect that was done more with the intent of pissing you guys after after the incessant whining that to turn over the CV :D
Nim
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: aknimitz ]
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Unfortunatly we crossed posts. I'd edited out that paragraph as soon as I'd posted it, as upon reflection it was a bit too strong. I has thought you were advocating Preon1's changing sides, but after posting, I re-read your post and edited out the "Nim is clueless" paragraph in mine.
Personally, I don't like the idea of announcing CV locs to opposing forces. But it is certainly impossible to prevent. It's not something I'd do - but there you are.
At the end of the day, Port captures, and CV extractions take a good deal of teamwork and protracted "capping", by many players, opposing that, 1 arse can undo all of that by changing sides. That was my point.
Fidd
Originally posted by aknimitz:
See, now Fidd why do you have to go and be a love muffin and start insulting people because they disagree with you? I am no more clueless than you are Oh Mighty One of Right Doings and Gaming-the-Game Protocol.
I have my views, you have yours. I have no problem with you thinking that is sound tactical strategics - I however do not. If we are even on the same country and it is benig done with a CV, I will announce its coordinates at once. *shrug* Ill play the game I want to play the game, and you do the same and we'll all live happily ever after :)
And yeah, changing sides is a bit much I agree. But I suspect that was done more with the intent of pissing you guys after after the incessant whining that to turn over the CV :D
Nim
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: aknimitz ]
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*yawn*
How 'bout them Yankees?
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The Yanks got beat :rolleyes:
Nim
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*yawn*
how 'bout them BEARS?
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I have a pretty simple solution to this problem.
Don't count CVs toward resets. Don't make it so that you have to destroy a CV in order to force the reset if it's one of the last "fields." Let's face it... it's not like a CV is going to function forever without the ability to return to port for refueling or resupplying. Shut off all port access and it would be just a matter of time before the CV becomes a floating hunk of metal.
By excluding CVs from the reset, we stop two things -- the gamey moving of CVs off-map to avoid destruction, and the gamey changing of countries to move said fleet back into harm's way.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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SwampRat, last time I checked, life and war were not fair.
It's just a game, get over it.
And why exactly would you retire over this?
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I find the ones who log in with a second computer to spoil carefully built missions more annoying.
It's gone so far that ch2 isn't safe for mission talk. When someone asks "where u going?" they get no response from me.
The game allows it, of course. A good breeding groud for suspicion, too.
On a sidenote, I hate the cv hiding toejame - for that spying seems an appropriate punishment.
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Santa,
I subscribe your points.
On the Ch2 issue, I guess HT could rename it to Ch2_MAW, for avoidance of doubt :D
Cheers,
Pepe
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Originally posted by the_hegemon:
SwampRat, last time I checked, life and war were not fair.
It's just a game, get over it.
And why exactly would you retire over this?
Actually I was "sort of" kidding. I'll paraphrase "I know it's considered cheating by most but I like it". A true testament to lots of attitudes I see in the young folks coming into the military today.
You are correct, it is a game. So, how about we do away with the time limit on switching "countries" so everyone can do this any time they want without having to use a seperate account?
From the reactions I've seen in this thread, I honestly see no reason for a time limit. Spies are part of LIFE and WAR right? Well, lets make it easy.
Tumor
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Originally posted by Fidd:
Personally, I don't like the idea of announcing CV locs to opposing forces. But it is certainly impossible to prevent. It's not something I'd do - but there you are.
There's already a network that spans all countries and reports the location of the "hidden" fleets. To the best of my knowledge these folks will report the location of a fleet to someone in the appropiate country if the fleet has been driven to a far corner of the map just to hide it from that country. If it's actually being used in operations it's location goes unreported.
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"He could do this since he outranked every bishop online."
Well, there's your problem. ;)
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Originally posted by Voss:
The rest of these guys (asses all) don't have a clue!
Hey, I resemble that remark!
Who cares about ships or gv's, this is a flight sim! The other is fluff for those who do not know how to fly :)
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DMF has the answer. If HTC can do it that is the way to go. Even in RL quite a bit of the defeated nations' fleets came home to port after capitulation.
Westy
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Damn, gonna have to open a second account now! (Fight fire with fire ;) )
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Damn, gonna have to open a second account now! (Fight fire with fire ;) )
You can but don't say it to anyone.
We all recall the Geeman scandal :(
It was a sad day to see a brunch of so called adult ruin the fun of a little boy :(
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From the reactions I've seen in this thread, I honestly see no reason for a time limit. Spies are part of LIFE and WAR right? Well, lets make it easy.
Yes, but at the same time, spies don't just walk over to the other side and into their command center, take everything, and walk back to the other side, repeat ad naseum. It takes time, and it certainly doesn't sound very easy to do in real life.
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So sad, someone brings up a exploit and gets flammed buy HT and all you fools jump on the bandwaggon.
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Yes spies were rampant in WWII. Its 2001, this is Aces High.
when a spy was caught he was executed, or atleast brought to trial. We try to "bring them to trial" via BBS in AH and get flammed.
[ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: Am0n ]
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Originally posted by the_hegemon:
Yes, but at the same time, spies don't just walk over to the other side and into their command center, take everything, and walk back to the other side, repeat ad naseum. It takes time, and it certainly doesn't sound very easy to do in real life.
....and? Correct me if I'm wrong but, it's just a game right? What difference would it make? Nobody would mind, just "read above". It's perfectly acceptable? Right? Well, I'm with Rip, guess it's fight fire with fire lol.
Tumor
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Cita-fester-bria used to do this all the time Voss, when he flew for your country, NOW its a big deal that it happens to you?!
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If this is ok, then it surely must be ok to expose the other teams missions also...
Regards.
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Thats happended since Beta Maniac, where you been?! ;)
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Did we have an mission planner in beta? no dont think so, my memory aint no good but i think i would remember that :cool:
Regards.
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There's already a network that spans all countries and reports the location of the "hidden" fleets. To the best of my knowledge these folks will report the location of a fleet to someone in the appropiate country if the fleet has been driven to a far corner of the map just to hide it from that country. If it's actually being used in operations it's location goes unreported.
LOL and you guys tell me not to take this game seriously. A network of cv lovers lol.
I once had an argument with Booky and some other prat (obviously someone who had changed sides to get back the cv because he announced the location on open channel) over hiding the cv. Well booky outranked me and sent the cv into a hostile area and back to the bishops. Anyway, not long after this, the bishops attacked A10 with their recently aquired cv and pushed all the way up to the Rook mainland with knits on a parrallel course the other side of the map. We were reset of course.
IMO the key to the reset on the Isles map are the CV's. If you are in N of map then depriving the enemy of their cv, pretty much ensures the safety of A10 & A28 and lets you concentrate on attack, not constant defending every 20mins given that the ports spawns cvs so close to these bases.
For every attack that the N country can make with cv, the SW and SE can make three due to the vast distance the N countries cv must travel to aquire range.
I find it difficult to understand that people who will gangbang a newbie in the MA, cry foul, when someone try's to use intelligent strategy to help win the war? Oh holdon, no i don't, there's intelligence involved in the latter.
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Originally posted by Maniac:
Did we have an mission planner in beta? no dont think so, my memory aint no good but i think i would remember that :cool:
Regards.
Most did not rely on mission planners since there WASN'T ONE! we did it word of mouth, which actually was worse since you announced your start field, your intentions, and your target.
:cool:
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Don't you ever wish we could all just have a nicer, friendlier sort of war.
:D
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Originally posted by rogwar:
Don't you ever wish we could all just have a nicer, friendlier sort of war.
:D
That would be a 'Gentlemens war'..(looks around in vain...nothing detected...back to spying, lying, deceit...)
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Ripsnort you pulled the same crap but had the fortitude to concede that it unbalances the main and on your own stated you wouldn't do it. I can search and dig up the threads.
Anyway theres no spying in Ah because theres no risk. It can only be cheating. I don't care anything about cvs they die quick and are usaully just a nuisance.
But guarranteed the same "gamey gamers" that pull this crap would certainly switch sides to report on attacks and missions. I mean if they justifiy this as "espionage" then the doors open.
AKs have always been consistant atleast I remember 1 occassion they actual sailed a captured cv right back to the where it could be recovered. So of course they have np doing what ever it takes to get their useless cv back.
Search some old threads by the some AK's about "the type of community we want blah blah blah" Well fek it anything goes no matter how affects the community.
Spying get out here with that.......
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Hmm... so you're telling me to swap sides and disclose information isn't cheating and it's okay to do so?
Okay, I'll swap sides sometime and put your CVs into constant circles and then try taking off or aiming at anything!... but no I better not now 'cos that is blatant cheating! :)
Regards
Nexx
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Originally posted by Fidd:
In my view, a port capture, and successful "extraction" of a CV to safer waters is one of the most satisfying strategic elements of the game, possibly only topped by a deep raid to get it back! I've done both.
Fidd
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Fidd ]
And revealing were dweebs have hidden a cv is one of the most profoundly satisfying things that I can do.
[ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: Pongo ]
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Someone sank a CV. The CV was undefended. The port that was re-captured was undefended. Yet the dweeby part is how the location of the CV was learned. :rolleyes:
You want to hold a CV? Defend it. Defend the port it came from. If you weren't actively doing either... then shut the diddly up.
AKDejaVu
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Preon makes a decent argument but he forgets one thing: In real life if you get caught spying, you die. I propose the same for AH. You get caught, you lose your account, permanently. Then you can tell me about how it's all part of warfare blah blah blah...
:)
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Originally posted by Wotan:
Ripsnort you pulled the same crap but had the fortitude to concede that it unbalances the main and on your own stated you wouldn't do it. I can search and dig up the threads.
Yep, when my son said "Daddy, whats the CV doing up here?"...I turned around, saw this pic below on his FE, and took action. Glad they fixed it so you can't take CV offmap. :)
(http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1722739&a=13481394&p=53485878)
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sorry rip I only remeber the thread not circumstances.
I apologize if I implied it was anything more then what you described.
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Blah Blah get back on the Gangbangbandwagon Bishrooks :p
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Someone sank a CV. The CV was undefended. The port that was re-captured was undefended. Yet the dweeby part is how the location of the CV was learned. :rolleyes:
You want to hold a CV? Defend it. Defend the port it came from. If you weren't actively doing either... then shut the diddly up.
AKDejaVu
Take your own advice, AK.
The enemy (that would be you, since you are having trouble making the connection, AK's) should never dictate the actions of a country at war. If, a country allows that, then they will fall prey to their attackers. So, where do you get off thinking you can dictate what we (Bishops) do with any damn thing?
Go into that 'other' thread where you jump in and attack Am0n, AK. There you stated some slightly insightful comments about undefended/empty fields. Suddenly, it doesn't apply here, because your 'current' country was victim to a tactic you disagree with.
Take your own advice.
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Voss, I know what I said.
You don't seem to understand a bit of it.
This thread is based on the fact that a base was lost (poorly defended) and a cv was lost (poorly defended again).
End of story.
Now, you can assert that the CV capture was bogus all you want... the truth is it doesn't really matter. The truth is that you should not expect the game to protect a CV once you lose the port. Its only a matter of time so get over it.
The real fault comes from failing to hold the port, or failing to recapture it. Without the port... the rest of it becomes moot.
Of course, this doesn't fit in with your "lets just diddlying whine about everything" theme here... but it should help you to understand why you're not getting alot of support.
You lost a cv.. wa.
You came here and pitched a squeak like a 3rd grade girl. So be it.
AKDejaVu
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More cheating today with cv. Some bleeding heart traitor redirects cv, tells rooks where it is, they come sink it.
How about you rooks get off your arses and go looking for the cv instead of being big cry-baby girls.
When I want to find a missing cv, I get an arado and go looking for it. I don't secret message some cheater on the other side and ask for its location. Its a game, how about playing it like one you WHINERS!!!!
Sheesh
HT if you support this type of cheating, which i gather you do from your previous post, why not auto-spawn the cv when port is captured. Otherwise this cheating is just going to cause discontent among opposing sides ie players vs cheaters.
Some alternatives to consider:
A) when port is captured, cv becomes visible to country which owns port.
B) when a player redirects a cv, it becomes visible while under command. Simulates radio transmissions for new orders
C) Have a spy option, activated with perk points which will show location of all enemy cv's. Perhaps with a random chance of success.
D) or simply discourage cheating
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Zygote! Last night i spent 3 hours to look for this gowddam CV. I was the first to find it but died while attacking it. I gave the co-ordinations, tried to sink it 2 more times , and finaly meet you in a Golly-gee warping Mossi, witch, i do not know how, shot me down. So don't come with this crap, nobody knew where this CV was, first after I spottet it, everybody was informt, the rest i don't know because i logged..
Siggi
Anyway :eek: :eek: :eek: [/LIST] :eek:
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Easy solution to all this hand wringing. Five minutes after port is taken the enemy fleet blows up. It respawns in custody of new owners. No hiding and now there is a REAL interest in defending the ports.
There is precedent, after all when you take a field the ack spawns instantly to defend it.
(http://www.13thtas.com/mav13sig.jpg)
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Originally posted by Voss:
In a word you are full of guile. I don't admire guile.
Irony. You guys do that over here do ya? Wow.
Tex
:cool:
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The people playing the game hiding the cv are too concerned about how other people are playing the game. That is because they are relying solely on the game to defend the CV... by hiding it... so they don't have to do anything. Its ok to game the game.. as long as you follow the gaming the game guidelines.
I've spent hours with Nimitz hunting down a CV from a port we've recaptured before. Of course, you still get the same complaint when its sunk... or you get the "FLEETS ARE TOO DAMN EASY TO SINK" whiners.
Basically, its all just whining about the way people are playing a game. Pure whining. Pretend its anything else and you are forgetting its just a game.
AKDejaVu
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Finally some good material!
(http://www.13thtas.com/rudesig.jpg)
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Voss, I know what I said.
You don't seem to understand a bit of it.
This thread is based on the fact that a base was lost (poorly defended) and a cv was lost (poorly defended again).
End of story.
Now, you can assert that the CV capture was bogus all you want... the truth is it doesn't really matter. The truth is that you should not expect the game to protect a CV once you lose the port. Its only a matter of time so get over it.
The real fault comes from failing to hold the port, or failing to recapture it. Without the port... the rest of it becomes moot.
Of course, this doesn't fit in with your "lets just diddlying whine about everything" theme here... but it should help you to understand why you're not getting alot of support.
You lost a cv.. wa.
You came here and pitched a squeak like a 3rd grade girl. So be it.
AKDejaVu
YOU don't understand the story as it happened. You got it all wrong.
No one is whining, except your love muffin squad. YOU are too stupid to get a clue.
Everyone knows DejaVu screams and kicks every time someone disagrees with him. Boo hoo! Degrade yourself some more and spread your 'small minded' four letter words.
Bishops DID NOT lose a CV, Deja. Rooks did lose a CV. It took them nearly 24hrs. to get it back, and they cheated a second time to do it.
I am sick and tired of YOU deciding to bite a chunk out of someone, ANYONE, that disagrees with you. I am not alone on this, either. You are being an bellybutton to everyone you respond to. Take your own advice. Four words, not four letters. Take your own advice. Shutup.
We all know who the little girl is, and it is YOU that is not getting the support you CRAVE so badly. But, then again, reading for comprehension has never been your strongest talent. Running off at the keyboard is.
Your BBS tactics don't work, Deja. No one is afraid of you. No one fears the AK spin. AH has a new spirit online, and we don't want your lousy hate-and-discontent on every topic. Find another home.
All of the AK's need to adjust the way they respond to BBS posts. Stop making tulips out of yourselves and start trying to make helpful suggestions. Stop being love muffines and bringing up the distant past. Help just once in your lives. If, you can't say anything helpful, just shutup.
We're all tired of hearing it.
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Hey Voss,
Do ya think those Iraqi's are REALLY still after you?
:D
Wab
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I bent my wookie.
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I have used spy info to get enemy CVs.
I have also given friendly CV locations away when they are off map.
I have also hidden CVs offmap.
Call me a cheater, scum, *%#@, or whatever.
eskimo
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I'd say something here, but I think I'm still under TAS NDA
Ram1 :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Ski:
Larry started writting a game that would blow AH out of the water and .... oh wait... scratch that..
Originally posted by SWulfe:
Damn iT I wAnted to Say that Ski!!
:D
Stop it you two, I cant breath here
;)
[ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: 2Late4U ]
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I think when a CV hits the edge of the map it oughta fall off the earth, just like in real life. ;)
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TAS NDA hell, I just want a ride in his personal P-51. :rolleyes:
Wab
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Wow voss... that is simply incredible.
I sit back and wait for people to disagree with me? I started this assenine thread?
I said anything about what country did what?
How about this: a country captured a port, then they captured the CV. Instead of defending the port and utilizing the CV for anything, that country became content with hiding the cv and refusing to defend the port. When the port was recaptured, that country felt that simply hiding the cv should be sufficient to deny use to the new port owning country. That country was wrong.
So, a poor pathetic small dick member of that country came here to cry about how evil anyone that takes that cv back in a manner they deam ungamely is. As if anything leading up to that circumstance was acceptable. Of course, there must be a tad bit of exageration and embelishment along the way... but that is neither here nore there (though it is the norm with this person).
Then that person must get totally defensive when he is revealed to be a whiner all the way from the high and mighty HT all the way down to the poor pathetic DejaVu.
In truth Voss... this is a pathetic whine thread personafied by the originator. The shear audacity of the irony involved seems to be escaping only one person.
Don't come here kicking and screaming about things like honor. You've already shown your complete failure to comprehend the notion. Don't come here acting as if somehow your new found admiration for anything but vulching from a P-51 with a 20k alt advantage was relevant these days.
Everyone... EVERYONE knows better.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Voss:
Stop making tulips out of yourselves and start trying to make helpful suggestions. Stop being love muffines and bringing up the distant past. Help just once in your lives. If, you can't say anything helpful, just shutup.
You should take notice of your own advice.
Or is That brAin tumor Still afflicting you?
-SW
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How is it "cheating" to use a second computer/account to learn the location of a carrier?
It doesn't involve hacking the game or abuse of known bugs. It doesn't even involve lying to anybody.
I'm not saying it's a good, fair tactic to use--it isn't. But at the same time, it's certainly not cheating. It's sort of like gangbanging--it won't earn the guy who does it any respect, but it's still an acceptable tactic.
Just send the CV's to the fight. Then ya don't need to worry about them being spotted. And use them in a support role; don't hinge the success of an attack on an easy-to-destroy carrier fleet.
J_A_B
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Leave your noodle envy out of this, Deja. You and all your AK worthless squadmates can try to turn this thread into anything they want. The fact of the matter is it was an AK that used the CHEAT'ers information, and you are engaging in personal attacks to cover for him.
You are making me repeat myself, due to your inability to grasp the obvious. Anyone in this game can make posts about things in the game they find disturbing, or off balance. It is not your place to patrol the BBS as a UBBNazi. You are not a member of the Gestapo. It is not whining to report your teams CHEAT and to ask for some modification that might prohibit such CHEATING in the future. The reason this rubs you the wrong way, is because you know I am right. Calling me wrong, doesn't make it true. You responded without reading through the posts and discovering what really happened. You got the events all wrong. That was stupid.
You still have nothing to add to any thread of any value. You only consider it an assinine thread because it indicates that your AK squadmate Larry cheated. He did. You consider it wrong for a country to hide a CV. It's not for you to say what your opponent can do with a CV. The rest of your rant, is my nomination for whine of the week. Kissing up to HT doesn't improve on your ignorant posts. Don't even try to tell me what to do, or what to post. Your fantastic imagination concerning vulches from 20k are absolutely ridiculous. It also adds nothing of merit to your post.
Your posts never carry merit.
This thread probably has more posts from AK's then your own squad forum. Bring up the past again; it'll really help prove your point about how CV's and cheating are all part of the game YOU want to play. Drown out all dissenters so that only your opinion can be heard. Attacking me will get you nowhere. I consider your attitude to be beneath notice. Everything you post of this nature will be ignored. It has no value, adds no benefit, and only serves to shed light on your true nature.
You AK's are disgusting. You Deja, are the most disgusting of the lot. You bore me with your predictable behaviour.
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J-A-B,
Where in Ohio are you?
I am moving there (Akron) in about a month.
eskimo
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See AW'ers?
*This* is how the AH community settles things; with calm, reflective humour; well thought out points germain to the argument and never, ever resorting to ad-hominem attacks.
Are you AW guys sure you'll fit in?
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Simple fix for "off or near off map CVs", mapbuilders create a thin strip of land circling the known playable arena [Cant drive the CV over land]
Hiding CVs from the enemy is ok IMHO, provided your countrymates are ok w/ the tactic.
In pondering whether or not switching sides to discern location of CV for a legitimate strike on the hidden out-of-play CV is very debatable. Switching sides to move the CV back to a suicide mission is clearly "wrong" WRT fair gameplay.
As for the spy argument, I kinda disagree since IRL you can shoot spies, kill shooter prevents this and the country can't VOTE a player out of the arena.
Jarbo
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I'd just like to say I like Jell-O. A lot.
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Originally posted by J.A.B:
How is it "cheating" to use a second computer/account to learn the location of a carrier?
thats the most rediculous question i've ever had the misfortune to encounter on this BBS.
Um, how is it cheating to rig a lottery draw, how is it cheating to use a Q&A sheet in an exam? Doh
Q) Why has HT implemented a 12 hour time limit on switching country's
A) To prevent players switching sides to spy.
If your circumventing this safeguard without the permission of other players and HTC, then you are cheating ie. Gaining a benefit through deception.
If a player is passing information ie the location of a CV to another country without permission from their countrymen, then they are cheating. Ie Gaining a benefit through deception. What benefit? They are satisfying their ideals / rightiousness without regard for any of their fellow countrymens view or opinions. This is selfish.
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one more question:
Why if you feel you are right by passing information to another country, don't you do it on open channel?
Why do it secretly?
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Knights dont cheat.
:D
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I consider your attitude to be beneath notice. Everything you post of this nature will be ignored. It has no value, adds no benefit, and only serves to shed light on your true nature.
You AK's are disgusting. You Deja, are the most disgusting of the lot. You bore me with your predictable behaviour.
ooh! ooh! Voss, do me next!!
Please... We're trying to discuss some deep philosophical views on morailty in a video game reality. Personally, I'd appreciate it if these fluff attacks on people you probably don't even know wouldn't crowd actual opinions.
Thanks Jarbo, for adding something decent to the thread.
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I'd just like to say I like Jell-O. A lot.
And here I thought I was the only one willing to admit I enjoy those shows too!
Westy
[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: O'Westy ]
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What? Am I being left out of all this nastiness?
Damn... If I knew how to cheat and wasn't so lazy I could be in this thread.
lazs
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I call it cheating... simply a fact. If you disclose information to the enemy then how can it not be seen as something else? I won't lose any sleep if I can't find an enemy CV or we lose ours, but if I know someone has been cheating just so that they can 'win' then I think that's really sad. Any respect I'll have for them will simply be lost.
Additionally, although I've never 'hidden' a CV, wouldn't you say that hiding is another form of camoflage? If losing it means you lose the 'war' then hiding it is defending your country is it not? Some of the arguments above saying it isn't cheating is utter BS. I'm sure if that happened in Hostile Shores they'd be some hell to pay (disclosing information).
Either way, I couldn't really care less, make it visible after the port is captured.
I mentioned in another thread about recon aircraft able to pinpoint CV locations either by marking it on the map or deploying a bhoy which lasts for an hour. This will only mark the last known location.
Regards
Nexx
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1997 will be THE year of the flight simulation, and the Internet is one of
the main vehicles that will make this true. There are TWO incredible pieces
of simulation in the works for all those WB and AW fans, and for others who
have avoided that particular pursuit because "suspension of disbelief" in
the form of great graphics had not yet arrived. TAS is one, and Confirmed
Kill by Eidos International will be the other....
Pro-Line Software is preparing to introduce its first multi-player air sim
for the internet: Tactical Aero Squadron. The ßeta version of their Battle
of Britain module will be available for download soon. Tactical Aero
Squadron will encompass the entire European Theater of Operations from the
B.O.B. to Berlin - 1945. They has photo-realism and flight so real you'll
puke!
Pro-Line is headed by Paul "Voss" Hinds. Paul is a former USAF F16 Viper
pilot who also happens to own and fly his own P-51 Mustang! It also happens
that he has flown a Spitfire and the only flying Me-109 in the world.
Ah-hem! Yes, you got that right, there is NO ONE better qualified to develop
a new internet based multi-player WWII Battle of Britian scenario. It also
helps that since his stint in the USAF, Paul has acquired a couple of
PhDs...
Pro Line is based in Austin, Texas. Paul "Voss" Hinds is the main programmer
for TAS and the driving force behind the project (along with co-developer
Michael "Amok" Hobuss). Paul and Michael seem determined to put together the
ultimate WarBirds and Air Warrior killer, and they are well poised to
succeed! They intend to feature the entire European W.W.II conflict, from
the Battle of Britain to Berlin '45.
As you will see by the screen shots, photo-realism is close to the truth!
According to Pro-Line, there will be an intense and target rich environment,
including trains to shoot at, German rockets to deal with, and fields being
captured. Other features include the most realistic flight models yet, voice
communications (hardware dependent), editable artwork for Aces, and gun
cameras with editable viewpoints. Theres more, but some features remain
under wraps til the release.
TAS will evolve from the BOB into TAS - FEW, meaning "Full European War,"
which will require MULTIPLE CD-ROMs and which only registered users will
acquire. TAS- FEW will cover an enormous area, comprising all of Europe and
North Africa. Pro-Line will allow hundreds of players into this huge world,
with a greater variety of aircraft than either Warbirds, AW or CK.
Eventually Pro Line will offer BOB as a limited ten thousand sq. mile arena,
giving W.W.II fans a chance to get into the world of TAS, but BOB will then
be available as freeware. At this point entry into the TAS arena will be on
a fee basis.
TAS will achieve a number of firsts in its foray into simming. Simultaneous
voice ability will be present, as well as text macros for sending messages.
The realism of the cockpit environment, with the pilot needing to pay
attention to carb heat, fuel mixtures, etc. will also be unprecedented.
Allied radar will be modelled. Attention to detail in the dynamic
environment will include the need to fly recon patrols, effect of fog on
radar, modelling of ground damage with realistic repair and replacement
times, and other details that remain secret.
In AW and WB The "revolving credit" of continual life renewal has its
disadvantages. Ever kill enemy planes one by one, only to have a constant
wave of the same pilots engage you until finally succumbing? TAS will change
that by virtue of a "death penalty." Fail to bring your body back (death or
capture), and pilots will be flying a cargo plane or rear escort duty for a
day until being "restored". The penalties are not final as yet and like the
entire project will evolve through the testing phase. Any personal aircraft
adornment will also have to be earned after death.
As for hardware requirements, the engine is optimized to allow a fast 486 to
join the fray, though not at high resolutions. 3d hardware will also be
supported, allowing high resolutions with high color depth AND fast frame
rates.
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what is it with that stuff anyway?
anyone care to enlighten a stupid person?
edit: I can't spell :D
[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: the_hegemon ]
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Wow! That sounds like a great game.
When's it coming out Voss? Perhaps you could entrigue us with some screenshots!
BUt reaLLy, Stuff like tHat wIll make iT an interesting game. Especially since you've flown both a Spitfire and the only remaining 109 in the world and also own your own P51!!!
Can we get a picture of you in your P51?? I know you've got one lying around, I've seen it before.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go get some money from people so they can beta test my nonexistant software.
-SW
[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
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What an embarrassment...to take a persons opinion of an aspect of gameplay and turn it into something this ugly and personal is a shame.
So this is what we show the new players that have made the move to our sim?
Pathetic.
(http://www.13thtas.com/rudesig.jpg)
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Opinion or slander Rude?
There's quite a difference, and in this case it's the latter.
-SW
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This is one of those threads that makes me wish the enemy had name tags. :P
Now there's an idea for perk points. Say 20 points to identify one enemy player for one flight. Or maybe identify everyone for 10 minutes.
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Leave your noodle envy out of this, Deja. You and all your AK worthless squadmates can try to turn this thread into anything they want. The fact of the matter is it was an AK that used the CHEAT'ers information, and you are engaging in personal attacks to cover for him.
You AK's are disgusting. You Deja, are the most disgusting of the lot. You bore me with your predictable behaviour.
Ummm......Voss, aren't you doing precisely what you're accusing Deja of doing? Because this sounds to me like a personal attack if I ever heard one, and really has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Quit trying to act like you're taking the higher moral road here, if this is what it consists of.
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The cherry type is the best.
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MJ, read through the entire thread and tell me how long you would be able to restrain your self from countering the personal attacks these amazinhunks engage in. AKWabbit, especially. Deja has gone to the trouble of insulting nearly aspect of me. He is trash, and I will call him that to his face.
You, too, should avoid telling me what to do.
If nothing else, this thread has exposed the entire AK squad to be a bunch of jerks with no discernable respect for anyone, even themselves.
Pathetic.
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Pro-Line is headed by Paul "Voss" Hinds. Paul is a former USAF F16 Viper pilot who also happens to own and fly his own P-51 Mustang! It also happens that he has flown a Spitfire and the only flying Me-109 in the world.
Wow, this is making me seriously rethink my future as a pilot in the USAF, if it means I'll end up wasting hours on end crying about a video game......
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MJ,don't let that influence your decision on joining the USAF.
None of that is actually true or even remotely close to the truth... well except the "preview" (and Confirmed Kill actually existed, but it died shortly into it's beta testing phases)- but the rest of it...
-SW
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Originally posted by MJ:
Wow, this is making me seriously rethink my future as a pilot in the USAF, if it means I'll end up wasting hours on end crying about a video game......
MJ, with all due respect, unless you know the history about all this, you may want to avoid this thread. <S>
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Originally posted by AKWabbit:
[QB][/QB]
Let me make sure I understand this correctly ;) In the past, Voss conned a community and suddenely has principles?
YES
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Jeez. Hidng CVz? To what end?
Espionage? In a game which allows gamers to hide CVz so they don't get hurt? Nonsense
A few months back there was a similar beef between Citabria and Ripsnort (I think). I recall that many agreed it was the height of dweebery to take a CV off the map. IMO, it goes against the spirit of the game, but there will always be those who would "game the game". Selfish really, whenever one decides to detract from the game which all have the right to enjoy. I applaud the espionage, and do not think that it was in any way cheating. Hell, when I clicked on this thread, I was thinking that someone actually altered the code for their own ends, not the case here. :(
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>Wow, this is making me seriously rethink my
>future as a pilot in the USAF
Please don't let it MJ. Its a worthy goal and I hope you make. If you do, you will have my utmost respect and gratitude for your service. You'll be the real deal, not a poser.
Voss is an ex-fighter pilot like I got a 21 inch carrot.
regards,
Wab
[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: AKWabbit ]
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Originally posted by Voss:
MJ, read through the entire thread and tell me how long you would be able to restrain your self from countering the personal attacks these amazinhunks engage in. AKWabbit, especially. Deja has gone to the trouble of insulting nearly aspect of me. He is trash, and I will call him that to his face.
You, too, should avoid telling me what to do.
If nothing else, this thread has exposed the entire AK squad to be a bunch of jerks with no discernable respect for anyone, even themselves.
Pathetic.
Voss, there are 30 members of the AKs here in Aces High with many more members that don't fly Aces High. Your statement above identifies you as either a troll or the biggest jerk in this thread. Maybe both eh?
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Play nice children.
Time to close this one.
HiTech