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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: beet1e on July 23, 2002, 04:20:04 AM
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Oh well, we tried with the AK-Pizza map. It wasn't perfect, and far from it, but it did make a new type of mission possible. So we're back to furballs etc. I'm not going to denounce that because it seems to be what a lot of people want. :confused: So be it.
My picture shows a typical scene in AH - pic taken Monday 22nd July. (I changed my con colour to yellow to make them easier to see in desert terrain, but decided to keep that colour scheme) The thing is, in situations like the one shown, getting killed means absolutely nothing, and achieving kills means even less. Just look at it - 10 v. 1. And yet the thing is, some of the town was still up, but I was the only guy doing anything about it.
I'm sure that even Lazs and his band of pro-furballers would not approve of this. I popped this F6F on the way back to the CV, so I guess I'm tarred with the same brush. But what about people who just hover overhead an enemy field, waiting for vulch opportunities, and kill the same guy over and over and over again? I logged off to have dinner with Tomato, and when I came back more than an hour later, we still had not captured this field. :eek:
Is this the step forward the anti-pizza brigade wanted? Is this better that having strategic missions which the furballers find difficult to detect? Was capture of this field avoided simply to maximise vulch opportunities? I had finished the town off, and there was ample opportunity for someone to get an LVT in. Seems like that was not on our list of things to do... :(
If you see your name in this pic, don't feel bad. I'm not blaming individual players, but rather the gameplay engendered by the mapset and various game parameters.
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your 100% right.. i hate the furball after about 10 mins..it gets real boring..give these guys a map 2 sectors wide to go play in, oh wait we already got one dueling arena.
not everyone wants to fur ball..them that do, well thats great and i have no beef with that, its perfectly ok..but to furball you dont need the pizza map.. but some of us liked it..
what erks me is the way the furballers went on and on, on the bbs saying "this map is killing AH" blaa blaa blaa..
bring back the pizza (tone down the colours) and let furballers come and furball in there or go to the DA which is made for furballing..:D
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The fleet was just too far out of range to launch LVT's. When it got close in a goon had arrived and this field was ours. It was good that these guys stayed on station to ensure the capture was successful.
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I hate furballs. I hate grabing to 10K in a P47 to find a Spit at 15, have to dive away from him because he's escorted by a LA7... Loose them and have to come back upo for the same scenario.
Need to have faith not to fly an "ubber speed plane" or a "Ubber turnfighter" to survive.
But looks like it's what people feel good about.
... Give perks only when you land!!! :D That may reduce the "pull hard and HO frenzy".
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
... Give perks only when you land!!! :D That may reduce the "pull hard and HO frenzy".
What a damn good idea! Good call Frenchy!
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
... Give perks only when you land!!! :D That may reduce the "pull hard and HO frenzy".
FOr some readon, I had thought that's how it worked, but I don't care, as I rarely shoot anyone down, anyway:(
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VOSS -at the time I took that picture, the CV was about a 1 minute flight from overhead the airfield.
... Give perks only when you land!!!
SFRT - that's a brilliant idea!
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that image is of a gangbang not a furball theres a huge difference.
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Originally posted by Tumor
Give perks only when you land!!! That may reduce the "pull hard and HO frenzy".
What a damn good idea! Good call Frenchy!
yes, that sound like a good idea, U are refering to the "pull hard and HO frenzy" part ;) arent u.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
... Give perks only when you land!!! :D That may reduce the "pull hard and HO frenzy".
Brilliant idea!!
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There is allready a multiplier (more likely a divider ) for perk point when not landing ...
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I think everyone knows that Straffo. I think it is 1.25 x perks for safe landings.
But that is not what Frenchy is talking about.
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Like wotan said, that's not a furball. Not enough enemy and they are trying to capture a base.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
I think everyone knows that Straffo. I think it is 1.25 x perks for safe landings.
But that is not what Frenchy is talking about.
well ....
mathematic at work ... isn't frenchy speaking of a 0 (zero) multiplier :D ?
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umm - did I say it was a furball? Think I said I didn't like it, but went on to talk about profurballers.
As a real life pilot, the ONE golden rule I shall always remember is: Never assume!
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You guys are making my case not yours... That is nothing like a furball and it is a perfect example of "organized misssun by kewl doodz squad" that the dildo worshipers are so proud of.
These gangbangs happen as a result of "organization" and/or a combination of 'missuns' and fields being too far apart plus... well.. it is a dildo worshiper thing anyway.
I have said many times... I don't like gangbanging or being gangbanged simply because it lessens my chance to get a kill. Nobel furballers eschew the cowardly "missun" gangbang.
If you made landing a kill more important you would see more of the illustrated behavior not less.... the gangbanging you see is a result of fear not furballing mentality... even the land two kills to get your name in lights feature has probly increased the "safe" behavior that is characteristic of "missuns" and the dildo worshippers in general. You can make the arena so timid that we will all be bish.
lazs
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That idiot deserves to get his bellybutton handed to him for taking off from a capped base. I see a lot of ground damage - looks like the Bishops (as much as it pains me to say it :)) are doing a good job of shutting the scene down so it can be captured.
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A healthy perk system and no perks awarded for not landing (aka getting kilt) would go along way toward force maturing the average dork player (aka pre-pubescent) and bringing angelic sanity to the devils phurball.
Or just make a "fun arena" (aka pre-pubescent) and an "serious" arena (aka mature adults) and see where the vast majority falls......kinda scary concept huh? hehe
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As it is now....
M.A. = Mindless Arcade
...enough said.
- Dave
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Originally posted by beet1e
umm - did I say it was a furball? Think I said I didn't like it, but went on to talk about profurballers.
As a real life pilot, the ONE golden rule I shall always remember is: Never assume!
I should have read your post more thoroughly. You even state "I'm sure that even Lazs and his band of pro-furballers would not approve of this."
So color me stupid.
My apologies.
Have a good vacation BTW.
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WAH!!
FLY MY WAY, OR I QUIT!
YER ALL A BUNCH MINDLESS FURBALLING VULCHING WUZZIES IF YOU DON'T DO JUST WHAT WE TELL YAH TO DO WHEN WE TELL YAH TO DO IT!!
I CAN'T STAND FLYING IN AN ARCADE WITH CHILDREN!
pick one of the above, and join the ever expanding crowd of AH anti furball dissidents.
or..
YOU BOZO"S THINK THAT ALL THERE IS TO THIS GAME IS FLUFFING STRAT? YER A PINHEAD FER EVEN CONSIDERING WE'D BE INTRESTED IN DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN FINDING THE CLOSEST FIGHT/GANGBANG/ORGY AND INDULGING OUR GUN FEVER. YOU DON'T PAY MY SUBSCRIPTION, DON'T TELL ME HOW TO FLY, JERKOFF!
WAH! FLY MY WAY OR I'LL CALL YER MOM A MAN!!!
*sigh*
Remember the good old days.. everybody paid 30 bucks, and the place wasn't populated by 12 year old 15 day wonders bored with real world while on summer vaction?
fek it. tell HTC to spin off a seperate arena where newbies and .50c a day plebes are FORCED to fly, raise the rates back to $45.00 a month for the premire arenas where we 'professional AH addicts' might fly in peace.
;)
.... chit; where'd i put that fargin nomex suit....
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Hang...
Ever consider switching to "decaf" :p ;)
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And there was such a shortage of what you see in your screenshot on the Pizza map.
Charon
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Ever consider switching to "decaf"
Decaf?
Chit, that'd be like maturbating without a stiffie.
I mean... like, why bother??
;)
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Apache! - stupid :D
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laz why do you have to always turn it around so it 'the other guy' everytime?
I put it to you that the furball mentality where people just hang around in groups about midpoint between bases that is by far the worst example of the gangbang attitude.
Organising a group to hit a base with surprise under radar attack and actually destroying a base is what this game is designed for.
CAPTURING BASES.
And before you start with the same old crap of the mission planners only hit empty bases I say UTTER roadkill.In the present small maps there are no empty bases!! at least not on the front line.Yesterday i did around 4 or 5 missions and not once did we hit a base that was empty.Usually its a burst through the cap defence then hit all the acks then bomb and straffe everything ready for the troops.
If you kill all the ack at a large base and youve bothered to organise it then DAMN right you deserve to get a few vulches as well.You've risked the acks and flak panzers to get there.
where as the guy hovering in the mid point between bases has done nothing to help the overall war or (generally) any of his fellow countrymen either, too many just fly on by when others are in trouble.Its like everyone is going lone wolf because the overall spirit of the game is becoming an arcade game. 10 guys chasing a lone con whilst this loner's teammates fly on by at 15k and keep climbing for their 'furball death dive' nearer the enemy bases.
Laz i dont beleive you never do anything other than furball.
you never go jabo or the larger fighters like mossies and bf110's??
man your boredom threshhold must be high cause i cant furball for longer than an hour tops! afer that i have to do something different like bombing/jabo/ground attack etc.
I need variety and i enjoy your so called 'missuns'.I need them to break up the constant lone wolfing , being gangbanged, overwhelmed in anything but the top 5 aircraft because all you see is spits/yaks/la7s/niks all in a huge mass ahead gets old real quick.
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it may not have been a29 but...
Yesterday at a29, the bishops were having a devil of a
time capturing it, knights were down to 3 bases and we
kept taking hangers and town down and get troops
there only to have enemy fighters roll in from another
field and kill them or Hangers / town would come back
up and we had to start all over again.
So is the pic telling the whole story? we fought for air
supremecy, all the while trying to kill Hangers to help in
that task, we vulched (only people willing to be vulched)
till hangers were ded again, and when the fighters
would come from another base, some would choose to
dive into the low alt cap over the base.
We had a nonlinear water fowl problem with that
base!!! (We were attacking that one base for 2 hours
and we still had no capture when i logged)
the Knights on that base defence
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Laz.. just a comment..
you've been asked before I'm sure. but..
why is that you don't play in the DA?
seems like the perfect place for you.
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Wlfgng, lazs has stated repeatedly that he does not believe in separate arenas.
On the surface, I can understand some of what lazs has tried to say. But like someone else said before, his delivery is what turns some people away from him.
Probably 98% of my time in the MA is nothing but flying fighters, and yep, I lonewolf it a lot, so I don't just go diving into a furrball. Stupid IMO if you don't have squaddies with you (which lazs apparently does most of the time) and I usually don't (my fault).
I would probably lean towards laz's side of the fence, if it weren't for one major thing: lazs is intolerant of anyone else doing anything that might upset what he wants to do. If the front moves his way, and there is a furrball going on that he is enjoying, anyone who interrupts that is committing a major offense to him, or at least that is the way he expresses his feelings.
This game has never been and will likely never be just exactly what any one person wants. But......when you sum it up, in all it's parts, it has something for everyone, and that is what makes it so great.
lazs's hostility toward anyone who doesn't agree with him, well......it's kinda pathetic. He seems to have closed his eyes to anyone else's likes or wants, forgetting that this is a community of players.
Thank God HiTech and Pyro have everyone's interests in mind, not just furrballers, not just strat folks, not just GV lovers......right now, they are trying to strike a balance, and IMO, they're doing a pretty damn good job.
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Lazs can't go to the DA because of his loyaly to his sim
country, he MUST do his part to help his country
capture bases and win the war...
Flying endless hours of fighter sweeps in his mid war
f4u-1, on the look out for enemy fighters, so the the
job of base capture can go on with less hindrance.
lazs, for doing the tedious job well for his country
day after day in the same plane
edit: spelling gramer etc
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hazed-
I Flown with Lazs now for about 4 years, I cant tell you without a doubt that i have never seen him with bombs under the wings. Matter of fact I cant remember the last time I saw him not in a corsair. I think perhaps when the BK's were back in WBs, but i cannot be sure.
We BK's love a furball say 10 on 10 between 2 bases, hell we like when it is 4 on 20 (us being the 4) and we usually get 4 to 5 kills each before we "land" back at base. Hell its fun clearing lazs' 6,everyone going after him and all :rolleyes: but we cant even do that because the buffer doesnt announce he is there. My kills per sortie have plummeted.
:cool:
edited for grammer
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narsus... sure, you recall... I allways fly a middle of the road plane. I flew p40's, f4f's spit ones in the early RPS of WB and hellcats toward the end. Very rarely flew what passed for a Hog in WB. In AH there are 3 choices.... You can fly a completely outclassed early war plane and limit yourself to certain situations only or dying a great deal or.... You can fly an uber late war plane like a lag or P51 or D9 and earn the contempt of your fellow players and feel a little sleazy (if you have a consience) or..... you can fly a mediocre plane and take equal amounts of good and bad. I have chosen the latter. Irt works for me. plus... I can take off from carriers.
oh... and the new kill buffer messages do kinda ruin the fun a bit... My job as designated dragger is hindered greatly by it. Stupid concession to the "patience over skill" crowd.
Look guys... the situation that is illustrated is the result of wussy "missun" guys not furballers. No way to blame gangbanging on furballers. It is infinetly more fun for me to mix it up in the ever changing dynamics and infinite variation that is...... fuuuuurbaaaall..... than it is to attack Ai or hide in a group of gangbangers.
but... to each his own. and...... oh, I am not in the least interested in what anyone thinks of my delivery or even if they admit to agree with me.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Remember the good old days.. everybody paid 30 bucks, and the place wasn't populated by 12 year old 15 day wonders bored with real world while on summer vaction?
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I would pay 30 bucks like YESTERDAY to have the old AH back.
I struggled for months after the great masses of AW wanderers came in from the desert and changed AH (both for better and some for worse). But let me say I have seen the shrub on fire and become gray of hair and have found inner peace.
I enjoy AH again...but it aint always easy.
:edited for kindness :eek:
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I'm not a fan of furballs either, BUT with the exception of last night when the knights were on the ropes I had no toubles finding places less crowded.
In the smaller maps you can go to an undefended enemy base and people will come up after you, in pizza they were too focused on a tiny area of the map to even know anyone was at that base..
SKurj
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What field was that Beet? Looks like fun. OTW! :)
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Originally posted by Wotan
that image is of a gangbang not a furball theres a huge dif
ference.
It looks like about 8 or 10 bish and one nit....thats about even.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
I hate furballs. I hate grabing to 10K in a P47 to find a Spit at 15, have to dive away from him because he's escorted by a LA7... Loose them and have to come back upo for the same scenario.
Need to have faith not to fly an "ubber speed plane" or a "Ubber turnfighter" to survive.
But looks like it's what people feel good about.
... Give perks only when you land!!! :D That may reduce the "pull hard and HO frenzy".
I'm not one for scoring or getting perks but I do like your idea. Go figure, it would be Frenchy that would come up with a good idea. Someone better call the Weather Channel and see if Hell froze over ;)
Ack-Ack
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Ahh thanks lazs for the correction, thinking about it now I remember a few of those early war sorties. And yes the F4U in WB was terrible.
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Originally posted by beet1e
And yet the thing is, some of the town was still up, but I was the only guy doing anything about it.
No points for houses unless you're in "attack" mode or flying a bomber. Chances are, guys in Spitfires, N1K2s, and LA-7s aren't in "attack" mode. For the most part, Spits, N1k2s, and LA-7s are the types of planes caught up in a furball. Vulching racks up quick and easy kills - and points. Bad, good, or indifferent, vulching gets the perk rewards.
I fly the F4U-1 and P-51B for my fighter sweeps, the F4U-D and P-51D for the ground attacks. As far as furballing goes, I'm usually on the periphery calling the plays or busting up ack and buildings.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
... Give perks only when you land!!! :D That may reduce the "pull hard and HO frenzy".
Which will bring us the, "Run like a sissy until you have a perfect advantage frenzy"
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Originally posted by Montezuma
Which will bring us the, "Run like a sissy until you have a perfect advantage frenzy"
But MZ... that's more realistic!!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Need to have faith not to fly an "ubber speed plane" ... Give perks only when you land!
If that happened, then everyone would fly the uber speed planes just so they'd know they'd be able to disengage when things went south (typically, right after the first head-on merge).
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everyone has an agenda and it is the right one???
not much progress made on this message board..
Just personal agendas being lobbied to whom??
we need some new topics to squeak about...