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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Westy MOL on September 25, 2001, 08:08:00 AM
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The F4U-1C is by far the most lethal but I rarely fly it. Hitting power and ammo load it's hard to beat.
My experience with the Yak-9T and the 37mm cannon has been really good. Takes tails and pilots right out like a pointy-toe'd boot used on a cockroach. Above 20k though I like the P-38 or even the P-47. With 100% fuel and drop tanks they can loiter for a LONG time up there, both are good high alt performers and they each have very good hitting power.
I'd be interested in what others like to
fly when they're looking for bombers or also what they wish they were in when they see one flying near by.
Westy
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Just curious, but has anyone tried using a B-26 as a bomber killer?
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190a8 and Ta152 most potent B-killer for me. I use the 190 up to 25k if needed and the Ta152 for higher alts. Couple of 30 mm rounds does the Job just fine. You need to be at least coalt high E or higher to engage the bomber.
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the 190 with the 30mm's, the 109g10 with 30mm's, yak9t with 37mm.
P-38 is crap vs buffs above 27k, glass and turbolaser dont mix.
Im waiting for the mossie to hunt buffs :)
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p47 is definitely the best bomber killer in the game if you already have alt. its durable, packs a big punch and has good high speed handling, all essential characteristics for buff hunting.
for intercept when you have little time, however, it ghas to be the 109-g10 with single tater and twin 20mm ... being able to wep to 25k before the enemy bombers have time to cross 2 sectors is just something the jug cant approach.
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When a dot first appears on radar, I typically launch a 109 (I like them all). These birds climb so well that you can intercept and kill a buff before he gets a chance to make his first run.
eskimo
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Westy MOL:
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The F4U-1C is by far the most lethal...
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I flew one of these a few times last night, and I couldn't do any damage in the darn thing.
At one point, I got in a dogfight with a spit, sat on his 6 at just over 200 yds for a couple of seconds, and got a couple a hits (shoulda been more, if not for my terrible gunnery--but in a tiffie, those hits woulda demolished the plane), then disengaged when a couple of friendlies joined in.
I did end up with the kill, but the spit pilot came back and said he died 'cause he was wounded.
So I guess that if I was interested in shooting buffs, I'd pick a tiffie. :)
anRky
(I like the tiffie better for dogfighting, too)
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The first time I ever killed a Lancaster in AH, I was in a 202. :)
anRky
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Westy:
I agree about the P-47 at alt and its hitting power is solid. I don't much care for the P-38 so I don't fly it. I also like the 190A8 with a2a rockets. It's not that great at alt though and gets real sluggish beyond 27k; very tough to deal with the dancing B17s at that alt in an FW. I have had some success with the Niki at around 27k, much higher it too suffers poor handling. Its cannon though are a lot weaker than the FW, and it doesn't take as much damage as the FW or P-47 can when taking fire from a Buff.
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P-47 is awesome against buffs, the F4Uc is also excellent, but my choice would be the jug.
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Originally posted by AN:
So I guess that if I was interested in shooting buffs, I'd pick a tiffie
Once I tried to intercept a incoming 27k bombers with Typhoon(I was otw to do some jabo when someone noticed ib HQ raid).
Then I realized that when I would be in a co-alt with those bombers they would be already 30 miles ahead of me... :D
That was year ago, not sure if Typhoon climbs better now.
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Me 109G-10 with gondolas if they are high.
Chog if they are not so high.
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S!
I'm no expert, but my gradually improving technique tells me one thing is important over all in the selection of Buff killers.
It all depends on whether you are on the ground or up at co-alt with the bomber.
If you already have co-alt with the bomber, then the 190A8 with 30mm's is probably the best, closely followed by the Ta152H, (costly choice if you lose) G10 with the pods, 190A5 and then the Jug.
The G10 has great climb, good speed and weapons, but is fragile and has lousy high speed handling.
If the bomber is 30,000+, then the Ta152 or Jug.
If you are on the ground:
If the bomber is under 10,000 ft, then the Tempest, (if you want to spend the perks) G10, 190A5 or Typhoon are the best.
The Typhoon has the great guns, but its high speed handling is worse than the G10.
If the bomber is at 20,000 plus, the G10, Tempest or the 190D9.
The D9 is often underrated, but it has an excellent climb and speed, and I find the twin 20mm's and 2 13mm's are closely grouped enough to take down any bomber with two passes. It also has great high speed handling, especially roll, something you need to have for survivability when closing with the bomber.
That is also the reason the A8 is a better bomber killer than the G10 if A8 is already up there at alt.
My favourite approaches are either from directly above, or directly below. In the case of the attack coming down, starting slightly ahead and above the bomber, is important. If the attack is going to come up from below, starting above the bomber is also important. Then you drop down below the bomber, get slightly ahead, and build the big speed (450mph) you need in the zoom up into the bombers belly.
I find killing a bomber equally as tense a situation as taking on a fighter. :)
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P-47, nothing can match the hitting power of 8 .50's. Or the Yak-9T and the 152 come close.
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Originally posted by Tails:
Just curious, but has anyone tried using a B-26 as a bomber killer?
I tried it once when returning from mision, could not close. Someone tried it against me (I was in Lanc, he had alt, so he could close). He was too big a target. I blew out a couple of his engines ang got away. Don't know if I got kill or not...
Moral of the story is that its a bad idea.
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If you have Alt advantage on buff than p47...
Its the beast at high speed handling so you can boooommmm him from way above and kill it on 1 pass.... usially buff driver wont even know u were there...
Imagine you are at 5K distance and suddenly coming on him at 500 -550 mph... his gonna have hard time hiting you even if he has good SA.... and those 8 .50 cal guns can kill anything if you hit it at 1 spot... just dont spray buff with lead - concentrate your fire on 1 spot.... tail or wing tip would be my choice....
Also previos tour i had a great success in YAK-9U against buffs at 18K and lower...
I remmember one sortie I got 2 Lancs and 1 B-26 with 1 ammo load.... that was fun :)
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190a8 up to 22k
109g10 anything higher
on a side note I was stalkin a b17 and a lanc the other day and waited till i thought they were in their site before I attacked.
they were in a good tight formation one in front of ther other off set to the right with about 100 to 200 seperating them.
the right wing of the lanc overlapped the left wing of the 17. I flew right at the lancs right wing firing a good burst in close before rolling away. I knew the lanc was dead but as I looked back the right wing of the 17 was gone and he was headed down as well. I figured I hit both but since I rolled away from the 17 to the left he may have killshootered himself by hitting the lanc. Either way I got a kick out of it.
[ 09-25-2001: Message edited by: Wotan ]
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If you need to catch high raid really fast you need g10. Perfect climb rate, good speed, very good punch of 30mm.
But I rate Spit IX very high as a buff killer. It is great against buffs at almost any alt, it has enough punch, and good climb.
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Tiffie works well for me
BgMAW
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Staga:
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Once I tried to intercept a incoming 27k bombers with Typhoon(I was otw to do some jabo when someone noticed ib HQ raid).
Then I realized that when I would be in a co-alt with those bombers they would be already 30 miles ahead of me... :D
That was year ago, not sure if Typhoon climbs better now.
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Ya see, even more reason to take a Tiffie.
Flying around at 10-15k, see a bomber above me--I know I won't be able to intercept so I go find a real fight.
I just saved myself 30 minutes of climbing just to be bored even if I do catch up with the bomber.
anRky
(well, I wouldn't bother chasing the bomber to the stratosphere even if I was in a G10--maybe I would if I was in a goony)
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Best? hmm.. lets see.. Ju88 :D
At least it will give a good feeling after you kill enemy buff.
Just parks in front of the buff and its pilot just wonders "wtf is that ju88 doing" and after he recovers from initial stun by this rare sight, hes got cockpit full of 7.92mm :p
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Originally posted by Buzzbait:
The Typhoon has the great guns, but its high speed handling is worse than the G10.
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P47 by a long shot, it has the advantage with .50s to be able to open up at much longer range, therefore minimizing the threat.
2 17's downed in the same pass with Jug.
I fly YakT alot lately... I don't find it much good versus buffs. The slow ROF typically means I could kill the buff faster with 8 .50's. I'm lucky if I've killed any buffs in 1 pass with YakT.
SKurj
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Originally posted by Tails:
Just curious, but has anyone tried using a B-26 as a bomber killer?
Not me but I have several kills in B-17 (http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/gunship.jpg).
Funniest was against Nexx over a year ago when we both had a B-17. I was laughing like mad when we attacked against each other like knights on their horses in ancient England :D
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Originally posted by Tails:
Just curious, but has anyone tried using a B-26 as a bomber killer?
I hunted and killed a Lancaster with one after the Lanc had destroyed all of the FHs at the base.
I've also used the B-26 as a fighter for base defense when the FHs are down. Got an F4U-1C with it.
The Mosquito FB.VI will probably be counted as a bomber and will replace the B-26 for such things.
Tac,
The Mossie will only be a good Buff killer at low altitude because it only has single stage Merlins. The Mosquito FB.VI peaks in speed at 13,000ft.
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aw crap
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S! Vulcan
You're the expert in the Tiffie. I must be wrong on that one. :)
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Since I fly a buff a lot,I'll tell the plane I have the most trouble with.
In a pigs eye I will.
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G-10 30mm + 2x20mm seems to do the job whatever the alt or target.... even against ET ;)
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Ask again after 1.08 comes out. No... it won't be the 262. (I doubt people are gonna risk the perks on buff attacks). The Mossies will eat them alive. :D
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Fantastic response. Thanks folks!!! All pro's and con's noted :)
Westy
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The B17 is actually a great buff killer. I've nailed several B26's and Lancs in it (although since the Lanc is faster you generally have to take fire from the tail gun while you are hosing it, I've been shot up really bad that way before). You can even kill other B17s in it pretty easily, you just have to manuever into a position where you can bring more guns to bear than they can. I prefer diving below and to one side, you only have to be within 1.5k or so to bring them down.
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kiled a Arado in B17 , the dumb think fly above my at 2 k higher, but icons showed 900 or something, so sprayed him litle with top turet :D
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3 planes consistently chew my Lancasters down the most....
1. P47
2. F4-C
3. La7
P-47: Just do amazing damage with those 8 50 cals. Every sortie I flew the other night, a P-47 made a boom and zoom and nailed my entire underbelly with 50 cals. Had to belly land on all 3 sorties since the gear was shot up, leaking fuel, etc etc. Jugs take an amazing amount of hits and keep coming back.
F-4C: Its those 20mm Hispanos. Nuff said
La7s: Nose mounted cannons, very nimble and a relatively small airplane from head-on view to lock the guns on to. In most cases, by time you have the bead on the La7 and start shooting, he's already dealt you his cannons. Hit the silk!
G10s, Ta-152 and others all depend on their approaches. I tend to down most anything that comes at co-alt. Those that strike from above, or do sweeping hits do the most damage. P-51s work well, and even co-alt B17s can hammer you real good, since they are firing thru their own structures to lock every gun on you!
My 2 cents
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Ta152 for bombers above 28K
P38L for bombers below 28K
La5FN for bombers below 20K
Fw190A5+Fw190A8 for bombers below 18K
P51B for bombers below 25K
P47D-25 for vulching bombers on the runway.
-SW
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Come to think of it,
My best buff killing sortie was in a Panzer parked at the end of an enemy runway.
28 kills, of which about 1/2 were B-26s.
I highly recomend the HE rounds. AP rounds tend to chop off tails and wings which lets them skid to a halt and .ef .
:)
eskimo