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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on July 25, 2002, 01:00:49 AM
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Saw this article (http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/476749p-3809788c.html) on Nando. It describes a black box called the SafeForce.
Did a quick search and found the web page at http://www.roadsafety.com/
The article also references a box called the Smart Driver. Web page can be found at http://www.smart-driver.com/
The SafeForce looks like the cheaper option.
Anyone have any experience with these devices? I've got a teenager rapidly approaching driving age.
TIA...
EDIT: YES, by gawd I'm a liberal, but that won't stop me from stomping all over my kids privacy when it comes to my motor vehicles.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
EDIT: YES, by gawd I'm a liberal, but that won't stop me from stomping all over my kids privacy when it comes to my motor vehicles.
Pardon me while I :D
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If every car on the road had a box that would not start the car if:
A). Intoxicated driver
B). Seat belts not attached
Then the roads would be much safer.
Les:cool:
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Originally posted by Leslie
If every car on the road had a box that would not start the car if:
A). Intoxicated driver
B). Seat belts not attached
Then the roads would be much safer.
Les:cool:
Wasn't it Ford (not sure exactly) who used to have a model that wouldn't allow the ignition to be fired w/out the seatbelts buckled? They removed it because of the annoyance... imagine just doing simple engine maintenance.
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all cars had to have that "seat belt interlock" it was ordered by the US govt, it was only used for one year, it had 2 switches one in the drivers seat to tell when some one was sitting in the seat , 2nd switch in the belt, people just hooked up the belt and sat on it. yes , lots of prob with it , we were told to bypass the switches.
lawyers can't design cars
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My car is like that John 9001. It is a 1973 Oldsmobile 98.:)
Les
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Originally posted by Leslie
If every car on the road had a box that would not start the car if:
A). Intoxicated driver
B). Seat belts not attached
Then the roads would be much safer.
Les:cool:
Maybe so, but they wouldn't sell.
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Another way for the government to try and controll us. I don't care for any of this black box crap.
I see it as abuse of our civil rights...
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Originally posted by nuchpatrick
Another way for the government to try and controll us. I don't care for any of this black box crap.
I see it as abuse of our civil rights...
It's a private company selling boxes to private individuals.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the government. :rolleyes:
When my children wish full and unrestricted enjoyment of their constitutional rights, they can move out.
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Dunno about that, but imagine a "gun camera" like device while driving...sure would reduce the "whose fault was it really" for car accidents and such.
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When my children wish full and unrestricted enjoyment of their constitutional rights, they can move out.
Amen brother!
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When my children wish full and unrestricted enjoyment of their constitutional rights, they can move out.
My thoughts exactly. This is a keeper. :D
My kid (almost 19) wants a car. My ex-wife wants me to buy her one.
I asked my ex, "she holding down a job?"
Answer "no"
"She off the medication she takes to keep her anger and mood swings under control??"
Answer "no"
"She save any money to put toward this car?"
Answer "no"
My answer was "I ain't buying her a car. Period".
Ex asks, "well; can she borrow yours when she needs one.. she can drive you to work and pick you up..."
I asked, "Why not let her borrow yours?"
She says "what?? thats a new car..."
You can guess my answer tho THAT one.
fediddlein women.. incredible logic sequencing, enh?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
It's a private company selling boxes to private individuals.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the government. :rolleyes:
You're so naive
http://larouchein2004.net/ (http://larouchein2004.net/)
-Sikboy
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I give up... Don't see the connection to Larouche...
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I give up... Don't see the connection to Larouche...
Ooops, was affraid I was being to vague lol.
See, cause EVERYTHING has to do with the Government, and a vast conspiracy to deprive us of our rights and freedoms, according to the Larouche worldview.
Sorry, I was handed a Larouche pamplet while at the Metro the other day talking about how McCain was in with the Mob, and that LaRouche intended to return the nation to leadership with integrity, that we have not seen since JFK. Irony isn't his strong spot that Mr. Larouche.
Anyhow, I promise to try to actually be funny in the future. (where have we all heard that before?_
-Sikboy
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Anyhow, I promise to try to actually be funny in the future. (where have we all heard that before?_
-Sikboy
Nah, You just keep being the same old Sikboy we know and love :D :p
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Sandman_SBM: YES, by gawd I'm a liberal, but that won't stop me from stomping all over my kids privacy when it comes to my motor vehicles.
Your underage children do not have any privacy separate from yours.
Leslie: B). Seat belts not attached.
How does my seatbelt attached make road safer for you? You are afraid that my body flying through the winshield will damage something? But if it stays in the car, it adds mass - hence increases damage - to whatever the car hits.
Or are you one of those socialist guys who know best what's good for me? Will you presume to prevent me from eating what I like? Make me exercise? Read only approved books?
miko
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Don't believe the hype about detecting unsafe lane changes and exceeding the speed limit. The best the box can do is emit the noise if the car exceeds highway speed. 65 mph in a neighborhood will get you a ticket, but so will 35 mph on a highway.
You best bet to encourage safe driving habits can be found here:
http://www.panozracingschool.com/
Seriously, they're now offering teen driving curriculum in defensive avoidance, safe turning, and high-speed vehicle recovery (like what to do if your right-side wheels wander over the shoulder and you need to get back on the highway). They also go through a comprehensive overview of how a car functions at speed, with terms like "contact patches" and "downforce" and includes lessons in basic auto mechanics. She'll be a better driver for it.
She'll also get to drive on one of the greatest road courses in America. :)
She could be the next Shawna Robinson or Shirley Muldowney.
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I agree GoFaster..The black box is not needed. Better drivers ed..and what is really needed is parents bone up and start taking the keys away from little Jonny and Sue.
Thats what my parents did when I got my speeding ticket in High School. I didn't get to drive for 3 months my car sat in the drive way. And lost it another month for showing off and dad happen to see me doing it. Plus it didn't help me having a 76 Mustang II Cobra. Needless to say I went 9 years with out have another speeding ticket.
So its not bad I for my first speeding tick in in 9 years which was last year.. Bad thing was I wasn't paying attention and I was on the cell with a customer.
Paying attention is what it all boils down to.
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You can only pay attention if you're there.
I like the idea of the black box. It will allow me to observe my child's driving habits without actually being there.
Certainly, this doesn't replace attentive parenting. It's just one more tool in the arsenal.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
You can only pay attention if you're there.
I like the idea of the black box. It will allow me to observe my child's driving habits without actually being there.
Certainly, this doesn't replace attentive parenting. It's just one more tool in the arsenal.
Yeah but how good is it going to be if you're daughter, God forbid, has wreck that's her fault. Then the lawyers get a hold of that black box?
It's a trial baloon for the gobment......
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Originally posted by miko2d
Sandman_SBM: YES, by gawd I'm a liberal, but that won't stop me from stomping all over my kids privacy when it comes to my motor vehicles.
Your underage children do not have any privacy separate from yours.
Leslie: B). Seat belts not attached.
How does my seatbelt attached make road safer for you? You are afraid that my body flying through the winshield will damage something? But if it stays in the car, it adds mass - hence increases damage - to whatever the car hits.
Or are you one of those socialist guys who know best what's good for me? Will you presume to prevent me from eating what I like? Make me exercise? Read only approved books?
miko
Ah Miko2d...seatbelts attached means the driver is in more control of the car in case of emergency, such as having to leave the road in a hurry. How is a driver going to stay in the driver's position? Not wearing a seatbelt is not being a responsible driver.
No, I'm not a socialist guy. Eat anything you like, read anything you like...that's your business. Don't wear a seatbelt if you don't want to. The fine for not doing so is $25.00.
Have a great day.
Les
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
It will allow me to observe my child's driving habits
a child should not be driving a car
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Originally posted by john9001
a child should not be driving a car
They're not old enough to vote and it's illegal to have sex with them.
What do you call them?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
You can only pay attention if you're there.
I like the idea of the black box. It will allow me to observe my child's driving habits without actually being there.
Certainly, this doesn't replace attentive parenting. It's just one more tool in the arsenal.
I like your approach, but still favor a stint at the Panoz (pronounced Pay-Nose) School. You might want to register for it yourself, maybe turn it into a mini-vacation to Florida for your and your family (and see Orlando while you're there - both the theme parks and the highest accident rate in Central Florida - good place to point out the do's and don't's of driving because, sure enough, someone will turn left from the far right-hand lane while looking for their hotel).
The only thing the black box is going to tell you is what the instruments are reading: speed, acceleration, braking, miles driven, seatbelt fastened, trays in the full upright position, that sort of thing. For collision avoidance detection, you'll have to move up to a 747-300.:D
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Originally posted by miko2d
Sandman_SBM: YES, by gawd I'm a liberal, but that won't stop me from stomping all over my kids privacy when it comes to my motor vehicles.
Your underage children do not have any privacy separate from yours.
Leslie: B). Seat belts not attached.
How does my seatbelt attached make road safer for you? You are afraid that my body flying through the winshield will damage something? But if it stays in the car, it adds mass - hence increases damage - to whatever the car hits.
Or are you one of those socialist guys who know best what's good for me? Will you presume to prevent me from eating what I like? Make me exercise? Read only approved books?
miko
Seatbelts are good for everyone and not that inconvenient or uncomfortable. One way they make things better for us all is by reducing injuries which results in lower insurance rates overall. Buckle up dammitt. :rolleyes:
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side note:
Back in highschool durring drivers ed. they had that silly little simulator that I couldn't wait to drive but thought was stupid once I did. Well I though "this is stupid" cars were pulling out in front of you ever 5 seconds people openning doors of parked cars kids darting out in front of you.
Well after 16 years of driving I can say with out a doubt that those simulators were UNDERmodelled! I'm sure all you guys know this :) but Sandman tell your kid to read this post maybe she'll believe me since I'm such a cool man of the world :rolleyes:
btw im 50/50 on the black box, the lawyers are the ones that scare me on this issue....
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
You can only pay attention if you're there.
I like the idea of the black box. It will allow me to observe my child's driving habits without actually being there.
Certainly, this doesn't replace attentive parenting. It's just one more tool in the arsenal.
I agree Sandman. I got my 17 year old a 95 Honda Civic EX, and I shudder to imagine how she's driving it. I write down mileage to prevent cruising, and the other day I went out turned the key on and the stereo was cranked up so far there was no way she could hear the revs to know when to shift. (She's a girl, therefore incapable of understanding Tachometers). Cute car tho- V-Tec, tinted windows, lowered, custom rims- when I drive it I look like a mid-life crisis on a budget.
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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
when I drive it I look like a mid-life crisis on a budget. [/B]
lol
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Originally posted by AKIron
Seatbelts are good for everyone and not that inconvenient or uncomfortable. One way they make things better for us all is by reducing injuries which results in lower insurance rates overall. Buckle up dammitt. :rolleyes:
I did some off roading once in a Mitsubishi 3000 VR4.
Seatbelts are the only reason I'm alive. In my car they are never optional, and that goes for all occupants.
Angered my mother once because I wouldn't move the car with her unbuckled. She didn't like my argument either. "We are not buckling up for your safety. We're buckling up for mine. I don't want your 110 pound body flying into me, so until you're buckled, we aren't moving."