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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: -towd_ on April 23, 2000, 08:42:00 PM
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knits did it heheh , now why the hell 1 still bish?
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Nah, there's been 3 resets now. All 3 have been against the bish in the last 7-10 days or so.
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Yesterday I've seen the first bishop deserter: "Hey, attack A1 or A..., its complete mayhem!". No, I didnt like it.
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3 resets against one country.
Check scores, bishops has more kills against both nits and rooks. So no pilots skills, is not it?
As I said I think nits and rooks make good to gangband. They exploit weekness of the game design. Hope it will continue and finally message will be taken by game designers.
For some reason I liked flying last weeks, it was challenging. What I wounder is what fun rooks and nits had attacking with 2:1 and even more odds almost all the time.
BTW, if one country is doomed to be gangband may be it will be wise to give to bishops a1 all the time? At least it make it possible to struggle and to defend, a1 is a real handicap.
Also, I may suggest a rule for all countries. Lets make it less chaotic and always gangband against country which has a1. Then all countries will be gangbanded equal number of times.
Fariz
XII Legion.
Perfect plans, aren't? What the hell! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Hey Fariz,
why do you think Biscuits are always attacked by the other two countries? (leaving out that there are plenty of Knight-Rook engagements) - what would you do if you had your nearby fields attacked by buffs from A1 constantly? The country that owns A1 must not be surprised if it draws the attention of the others - it's just a too valuable strategic advantage to be ignored. In a non-symmetric enviroment it's natural that everyone runs for the best spot. As I said on open channel: surrender A1 and you will not be harmed... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
For the kill-ratio Fariz: Ever tried to take a well defended high-stand from lower ground? As a Knight I had to fight against enemies with alt-advantage constantly. Hell, the alt-advantage even carries as far as Field3/4... not hard to get kills from above - isn't it?
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Yesterday year it was "Reds are getting gangbanged!" Today its (XXX) fill in your country "Is getting gangbanged!"
Do you think the Nations of WW2 whined about their countrys getting banged? NO! They fought back. So get pissed, get organized, and fight back Dammit!
(Click! Patton mode off)
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Ripsnort(-rip1-)
I/JG2~Richthofen~
JG2 Communications Officer
Aces High Training Corps
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
(http://ripsnort69.tripod.com/dedtank.jpg)
Too often, we lose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when
someone annoys you it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it
only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm, grasp the joystick button,
and shoot the sucker down!
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 04-24-2000).]
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Heh, Patton woulda slapped him (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Gordo
Fat Drunk Bastards! (http://fdb.50megs.com/)
And a lifetime Bishop
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In the limited amount of playing I have had on the Bishops team, there is one thing that stands out and most pilots have noted this as well.
We (Bishops) do not appear to coordicate ourselves very well.
In a bit of frustration on Saturday, I assumed high command position for A5, while trigger was working A1.
Bot fields were being hit hard. I sat at A5 in a M16 (not being a very good pilot) and acted as spotter, calling out for support when needed and forwarding support back to A1 whcn needed.
trigger was doing pretty much the same at A1.
All in all, the Bishops did an outstanding job holding those fields under immense attacks.
Dolfo tries really hard to coordinate attacks, but we (bishops) seem to lack the coordination of the nits and rooks.
Personally, I find getting hit by the nits and rooks a challenge and very enjoyable. I have always liked being the one that has to claw and fight for every bit of turf. Just seems to be more gratifying when we do win a field or defend one successfully.
During times with A5 was quiet, I would grab a buff and hit a not or rook field. Strictly a diversion tactic, as I noticed a flurry of planes would be up and after me pretty quickly, which meant other bish fields were getting ignored. I would get shot down, go back to A5 and wait a few more minutes, and do it again.
All in all, as just an observation, we bishops need to spend a bit more time planning attacks rather than just hitting targets in a rather random fashion and communication is our most important tool.
I may not be a good pilot, but I am one heck of a chess player. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
All in all, I like the 3 country scenario. We need more folks who are willing to sit at a field and babysit it.
My 2 cents worth.
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Roy "Skuzzy" Neese
President, AppLink Corp.
http://www.applink.net
skuzzy@applink.net
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I totally agree with Ripsnort! I've been saying that the whole time. It seem like everytime someone whines about being gangbanging, they also whine about thier country not being organized..... put 2 and 2 together folks. Bishops are getting gangbang lately, but that's not because half of the rooks went to knights, it's because we are not organized lately.... it's our own damn fault. So during this time, I'm learning from my mistakes, finding other bishes that can work together, and fighting back......... I like being the underdog, it's alot more rewarding when you win! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Nathan "NATEDOG" Mathieu
Art Director
HiTech Creations
-=HELLFIRE SQUAD=-
"Man's 2nd greatest thrill in life is FLYING. His 1st greatest thrill is LANDING!"
[This message has been edited by NATEDOG (edited 04-24-2000).]
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Originally posted by Kirin:
Hey Fariz,
why do you think Biscuits are always attacked by the other two countries? (leaving out that there are plenty of Knight-Rook engagements) - what would you do if you had your nearby fields attacked by buffs from A1 constantly?
Kirin, where you were first 2 reset? First 2 resets we did not had a1. Just for info.
Fariz
XII Legion
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Hehe, the very first time I logged into Aces High day 1, I went knight because it was all rooks and bishops battling it out, I like flying for the underdog. I always concentrated my attack on rooks, because a lot of 'veteran' sticks ended up on rook side, and was taking 'advantage' of the default log on into bishop land. Then when a couple of my squaddies from WB's came over, flew bishops with them a couple of times, and the first thing I noticed was the complete lack of teamwork in bishop land. I still have a squaddy flying bishop, but refuse to fly on that side since the 12 hr. rule went into effect. Now I like killing bishops because of all the whinnin' they are doing about 'gangbanging'. GROW UP PEOPLE. Stop complaining about gangbanging. Join/Fly with a squad, or take some initiative to organize your ranks! WHAAAAAAAAAAAH.
ts
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Yesterday year it was "Reds are getting gangbanged!" Today its (XXX) fill in your country "Is getting gangbanged!"
Do you think the Nations of WW2 whined about their countrys getting banged? NO! They fought back. So get pissed, get organized, and fight back Dammit!
(Click! Patton mode off)
That is what I do. And as I said before I enjoy it, I hate flying in advantage, you will hardly find me close to fights where friendlies outnumber foes badly. So from this end I like it. It is nothing better that when due to my single efforts battle change completle at least for some time, and I really like doing some tactical crazy things, especially when they work.
I am not even sure that 2 countries will be better. As I remember it from beta is was better, but now with more fighters and bigger map I do not know. But it would be interesting to try.
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"Do you think the Nations of WW2 whined"
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They whined. And they whine till today that main Hitlers flaw was diplomatic blindness which lead into a trap of a war on 2 fronts. And how it could change if it was not 2 fronts war.
Fariz
XII Legion
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well i am one of the rook defectors and it is facinatin to me that really few transfered from rook to knit. just the musketeeres and wreckin crew ( sorry if i missed some) and the muskeers have since gone back rook.
i think the fact the the few that went had the pupose of teachin bish a lesson from weeks gettin whoped by um ( almost always numbers cause the knits would usualy side with bish as they were kickin our ass)
also last nite rooks were all over our flank while we were hitin the last bishop bases, so we reset aginst a gangbang.
also 20 min befor the reset i was still seeing the same bish squads settin up a score mongerin vulch fest( cuddlinghunk kill 4 , poopooboy kill 5 ect) while their country was gettin pummeled rather that flyin that nasty defence where you get killed. so we let um vulch and took their country ( shades of eastern front) but hog pilots arent much good on defence hehe.
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Interesting isn't it.. gee do you wonder WHY the bishops always lose even when the numbers are even? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the bishops are the newbie starting country.. heck at any time 50% of our people just arrived and don't even know how to takeoff nevermind find/fight the enemy. It would really help if the newbie country was randomized, otherwise this mess is just going to continue. Nevermind the silly 3 country thing which has been beaten to death ( developers !want 3 country - users !luck)
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The start country is randomized. If its not there is a bug.
HiTech
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You want historical realism? Get 3 countries, 2 in an uneasy alliance, and the 3rd losing the war, very badly. Oh, we already have it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(there would be no variety of this sort with 2 countries, please do not change it)
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Fatty
FAT DRUNK BASTARDS (http://fdb.50megs.com)
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Originally posted by Fatty:
You want historical realism? Get 3 countries, 2 in an uneasy alliance, and the 3rd losing the war, very badly. Oh, we already have it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I do not want realism. I want to stay alive after my plane crashes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Fariz
XII Legion
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Originally posted by HaHa:
Nah, there's been 3 resets now. All 3 have been against the bish in the last 7-10 days or so.
I was in the arena for 2 of those, and they were caused by the server being reset, not because any country was taken down to the reset. You basically have to take all A fields to get the reset.
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I realy love these kinds of threads (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)...
I've been flying since beta .34 and it has always been the same (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
The knights complain cause they didn't have numbers (in beta that was), then rooks complain cause they get gangbanged by knits and bish, now bish complain (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Suck it up, and get going... this evening JG2 (bout 8 pilots) were attacking A7 (bish field), we did coordinate our attack (3 buff, fighter escort, Jabo's and goon) but did we take the field NOOOOOOOOO!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Our timing was a bit off but the most important fact of our failure was the resiliant (sp) and dedicated defence of a few bish (hangtime and snefens to name a few).
[bee steps on the stand for his famous (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) get the moral up speech]You realy are going to let those pisspoor rooks and knits get to ya boys [a more soft voice] your mothers and sweethearts will love hear that...[harsh, loid voice]DON'T F@*KIN toejam ME BOYS!!!! NOW STEP IN YOUR PLANES AND SHOW THEM EVIL ROOKS AND NITS WHAT YOU'RE MADE OFF... !!!
Mmm yes doc I took my medication today ... nooo I don't need electro treatment (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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BEE(JENG)
=CO=II/JG2~Richthofen~
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://http://members.tripod.com/JG2/)
(http://nottosc.tripod.com/109bee.gif )
'Nemo Me Impune Lacessit'
[This message has been edited by JENG (edited 04-24-2000).]
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They exploit weekness of the game design
Have to call this a load of BS Fariz. If you believe the game should be designed with dogfighting in mind, then you are suffering from the Ostrich syndrome.
Most of the time, that comment arrises because a country refuses to acknowledge that defense is needed prior to seeing those deflections on dar. Or.. exactly what is needed to stop an attack, defend a base, capture a base or such. The game is more than just flying a fighter... it is knowing when and where to fly a fighter.
Organization is often confused with exploitation. And I've never flown Rook.
AKDejaVu
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By Bee:
Mmm yes doc I took my medication today ... nooo I don't need electro treatment
Hmm... Got my attention.
The Electro treatment sounds kinky. Is that a Knight thingee? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
[This message has been edited by Minotaur (edited 04-25-2000).]
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Electro shocks goes well with Knite armor Mino...... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Nattulv
2.Lentueen Päällikkö
Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34)
"Olen vapaaehtoinen ruotsalainen lentäjä"
[This message has been edited by LLv34 Nattulv (edited 04-25-2000).]
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Realy does (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) gets my boys right on the edge ready do go killin (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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BEE(JENG)
=CO=II/JG2~Richthofen~
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://http://members.tripod.com/JG2/)
(http://nottosc.tripod.com/109bee.gif )
'Nemo Me Impune Lacessit'