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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Karnak on July 28, 2002, 05:21:35 PM
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Here is the list of aircraft I would pick for 1.11. This is not a list of my "most wanted" aircraft, but the list that I think would be best for AH.
Ki-84-Ia Hayate "Frank"
H8K2 "Emily"
P-39Q Airacobra
Ju87B-1
Ju87G-1
T-34/85
Panther V G
This would be an abitious group of units for one version due to the inclusion of the mostrously large H8K2.
Here's why I think these would be best:
The Ki-84-Ia would bring the best Japanese fighter into the game, and a surprisingly common late war aircraft. More than 3,500 Ki-84s were built, of which more than 3,000 were Ki-84-Ias. The Ki-84 is certainly the single most competitive fighter, that was significant, for the MA environment that has not yet been added. In the context of the MT, CT and scenarios the Ki-84 would greatly enhance the playability of the Japanese forces by significantly reducing the Allied speed advantage.
The H8K2 "Emily" would bring several things to the table. It would be the first flying boat to be added and would be capable of doing the air-sea rescue people have been asking for. More signifcantly though, the H8K2 would be usable in the MA as well as CT, MT and scenarios. The H8K2's bombload of up to 6,600lbs would give the Japanese planeset an aircraft that carries a threatening payload and its five 20mm cannon would give it a shot at defending itself. It could also carry two 800kg torpedoes, and who wouldn't want to try to use a big four engined aircraft as a torpedo bomber?
The P-39Q was used extensively in both the Eastern Front and Pacific theatre. It would be markedly different in performance from other aircraft due to its engine's location behind the pilot. It wouldn't matter if it were added in Russian or American colors. The P-39 would be an all round good general purpose addition.
The Ju87B-1 would finally bring the infamous Stuka to the game. While it would not see much use in the MA, it is an icon of WWII and one of the aircraft most needed for scenarios and historical environments. Siren modeling would be an absolute requirement.
The Ju87G-1 would be relatively easy to add with the Ju87B-1 polygon already in and would bring a big gun tank buster to the German planeset. This is a much requested aircraft.
The T-34/85 would add the most important of all Allied tanks and a tank with some speed. The T-34/85 would be well armored with a servicable gun, but completely lacking in AA defense.
The Panther V G was probably the best overall German tank. I think that the Panther V G sould be the first perk tank to be added. The reason I think it would be much better than the Tiger II is simply speed. The Panther V G could actually hope to get to the fight before the fight was over. Due to the fact that bombs are so leathal to tanks I don't think that a perk tank should be very expensive, say 10 to 20 points.
Here are some units, in order, that almost made the it to my suggested list. The single biggest reason they didn't was due to the workload involved. I had to stop somewhere.
Tu-2S. The Russians need a bomber, but I feel their planeset is more competitve than the Japanese planeset. The size of the aircraft would also have added a lot of work.
Me410B-2. This would be very nice, but with the Bf110G-2 in AH the level of need for a good German strike aircraft has been filled. That reduced the necessity of this aircraft. The fact that it is a twin engined aircraft with two positions meant the workload would be high on it. Those reason removed it from my list.
M4A3 Sherman. This was the other possibility to the T-34/85. Speed was the reason it lost to the T-34.
Comments?
What do you think would be best (try to think in terms of "best for AH", not "what I personally want most") for 1.11?
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I like all the a/c on this list, but no comment on the GVs. I rarely use them.
I'd add the P-39D and an early P-38 like the F, G, or H, to add fighter options for the US in early/mid war PTO settings.
I'd also be sure the B5N got in to complete the early war CV set (assuming the TDB Devastator will likely never be added to AH).
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I certanialy feal that the US cup runith over and generaly I tend not to suport plane/gv adations that would add to the spillage, howeaver thinking in terms of what woulld be good for the Game I would half to say the the adation of an early P38 would be nice and easy to do, I also feal that although The T 34 is a clearly better tank than the Sherman, the T 34's compleat lack of an AA weapon would make it easy meat for Jabo's who would pounce it mearsely. Their for I feal the Sherman would be a better choice for a tank, the sherman is also a very close match to the Panzer IV we curently have in almost all catagories( eveuntaliy a Firefly could be added and perhaps perked cheaply). Inso much as the Panther is concerned, This is as Karnak has said ( I feal the same way) A much better tank than either of the Tigers imo, certainly a better tank than the Tiger I and despite the Tiger II heaver armor and better gun, the Panther is a better overal design, and could easly best any western Tank of the time. I am not shure about adding it though, I have spent some time pondering what perk vehical to add and am frankely stimied.
I feal a perk Vehical should be compleatly domanting in some catorgery, and has been mentioned the ease with which GV's are killed by aircraft makes perking them problemmatic. I would sugest somting wildely distructive like a Strumtiger, or an ISU 152, or better yet a perk Submarine, A Japanese midget sub could spawn off ports or airfields near the water and torpedo CV's. Perhaps a German golith could be modeled compleat with it's delever vehical.
Now as far as the P 39 is concerend I would rather see somthing Non US added in the new fighter catagory The US has a ton of early war planes curently( and mid war) the countries who do not include Russia, Italy, and Japan. I say model somthing for them instead of yet another US plane.
I think the Stuka is just to popular not to do and could be a great adation to early war CT sets as well as Special events.
I love the Idea of the Emily( the US Coranado is a better plane howeaver) I realy would love to see this added the Japanese could clearly benifit form it.
The Frank is a must.
I would like to see the TU-2 as well.
Karnak your list was ver well though out and well presented.
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They are all excellent choices, your logic seems to be in filling out large gaps in the plane set, particularly lack of the most prominent JP fighter Ki-84 Hayate and early war VVS planes. So, in that spirit of things, I think the H8K2 and Ju87s can wait. As much as I would love to see the Stuka :), I think adding some more fighter planes in place of those will help finish off the VVS set in as short time as possible.. So, my suggestion goes like this..
* Ki-84-Ia Hayate "Frank"
* Yak-7B
* LaGG-3
* Yak-1B
* P-39Q-5
* P-38H
To give Ki-84-Ia for JP plane fans, so they'd get out of that N1K2-Js :D, woppin' total of four planes dedicate totally to the VVS which would complete the VVS set - two early-war and two mid-war. And.. the P-38H for the P-38 whiners who's been upset for such a long time(I think we should upset them for one~two more versions still :D).
6 planes + 1 new gv whatever the choice.
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You know the Ki-61 is a dam fine plane. Dangerous very dangerous. It amazes me that more people dont fly it. I see so many dorky La-7s around that it makes me wanna hurl my chunks. Here I am trying to B&Z a spit and I see an La-7 down below a bit. In my mind I already know that LA-7 will be at my alt in no time with killing me in mind. A good plan hes got there. In my opinion, always got to be an La-7 around to ruin the ACM. Dont look now but here comes Luke Skywalker...
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I like your list Karnak, but I would subtract the Ju87G and add the Me410. I'd also throw in an Italian bomber, or the Re2005 as a decent Italian jabo.
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I like your list karnak.
I think we should think how much more resistant to bomb damage some of the heavy tanks were. Certainly the Panther and especially the Tiger 1 are more resistant to all forms of air attack to the panzer iv. Both the Sherman and the T34 to a lesser extent likely are as well. I think the Sherman m4A3(75) and the T-34/85 should be co introduced and then the perk panther...but that is splitting hairs.
For planes..
most planes introduced from this point on will see little use in the game or be perked. Unless they are bombers. The good fighters are there except the P39 and a real Spit IX and the Ki84.
I would still like to see a late war spit IXHF myself, hopefully with a bubble canopy.
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As most of you know, I'd love to see biplanes (Gloster Gladiator-England,Cr.42-Italy & the I-153 for Russia) :D
But I also think these would make good additions, in addition to the biplanes I listed:
Italian bomber of some sort, preffibly early-mid war for some good scenarios,
Ju87Stuka,
Hs123(for got to add that one :D ),
B-25,
I-16,
Early P-38,
A french plane of some sort,
& Ki-84, doesnt really appeal to me, but it seems lot of others would like to see one :)
Thats the most rounded off planeset I can think of, Early to Late war. I know HTC can't add them all at once, but they would be nice over the next couple of patchs. I find most of the people I meet in the CT prefer early war aircraft (like biplanes that I think would make a great addition for scenarios as well as MA), where people in MA mostly want more late-war planes, tried to include something for both sides :) .
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P-39 Airacobra
B-25 Mitchel
B-29 Superfortress :D
Maybe a Helldiver (SB2C-1C)? Maybe? Plz? :)
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I disagree with the T-34 addition...I feel that a perked tank would require thick armor and a big gun...enter the IS-2 Iosef Stalin....
IS-2 (Iosef Stalin)
Weight : 46.0 ton
Dimensions:9.9 x 3.09 x 2.73 mt
Armor (max) : 160 mm
Range : 240 km
Speed (max - route) : 37 km/hr
Main gun : 122 mm
Crew : 4
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AdmRose,
I wasn't suggesting the T-34/85 as a perk tank. I was suggesting it as another free tank.
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Oh, sorry didn't notice that. The T-34 would make a good free addition, but the IS-2 would make a good perked addition. Don't you agree?
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IS-2 would have the same probelm as the Tiger II, they're too slow. It would be a perk tank, but not the best one.
I think the Panther V G is the best perk tank.
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Pongo raises and interesting point, Just how reselent would a King Tiger be to bomb damage?
Just how reselent should a PzKfW hull be to bomb damage....
The other knight I took out an osty's engine with my 7.9mm hull MG by shoting him in the rear from about 100 yards.
How well are these things modeled?
The big issue with any perk vehical will always be the air component of the game, in our Ah universe of NO cover for GV's, a world whear GV's rarely live long enough to fight one another before they are killed by a plane I wounder how happy we will be when We hop in our PANTHER (we just paid to ride) and a P 38 drop's 2 k on our head, ya shure we fired our MG 34 at him, but it is only realy effective aganst Panzer IV's......
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Ok A Panther( my personal favorate tank of the war:) ), their is a bit of a problem with the Panther. The best thing about the panther would of course be it's use aganst other tanks, great armor Great Gun, and other than problems listed above, piss pore HE value.
A big problem we have in AH is how HE equivelency is figured, you know it takes as many osty rounds to kill a hanger as it does MK 108 rounds( or so I have been told). The 75mm HE round on the Panther granted is a heaver round than the 7.5cm Kwk l48 on the PzKfW IV but would the model allow for that?
The point being maybe we would be better servied by a Real Big Round something widely distructive, somthing so devastating to everything we would not feal to bad dying in( when we get bombed by a plane we cant hurt).
A prime example of this would be a Strumtiger, or an ISU 152( prety shure both had AA guns). somthing that would toast a hanger in a couple shots( or one shot), somthing with a huge HE equivelency, some daunting, sack tighting, monster that would cause everyone in the area to wet themself's.
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Since when is 75MM bigger than 7.5CM?
10 MM = 1 CM so 75 MM = 7.5 CM
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PzKpfw VI "Tiger" for a perk tank.
And we definitely need the Me-410 ! The real KG51 flew it :D
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I agree previous plane lists.
But I'd add these two..
+ BREWSTER
+ HE111
Why He111? Because it looks good! :D
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AdmRose, the Round fired by the 7.5cm kwk L70 on the panther was heaver than the round fired by the 7.5cm kwk L 48 on the Panzer IV, it was the same diameter but longer heaver.
The Tiger tanks may be more famious, but the Panther was a better tank, in fact the 7.5cm tube on the Panther out preformed the 88 on the tiger I( except in terms of HE effect. I think Bradely said he neaded 5 Shermans for each Panther he killed.
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Ki.84 as an absolute must. 3500 produced and it is still not here ?!
A clipped wing Spit would be nice too. I hear so much about it, it would be nice to see how it performs.
410 for same reasons, those guns have to be tested in AH arena ;).
As for vehicles, bring in Shermans, Tigers and Panthers, so we can have Ardennes setup.
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Brady, if you add the delivery vehicle of the German Goliath, you would be adding humans (since the Goliath was a wire controlled explosive device on tracks).
IMHO before any new gv:s are included, the ground combat aspect of AH needs a major overhaul. Just to name a few things, gun ranges, gun penetration, damage model, ground model (i e no blow up on hitting tree, more ground clutter to hide in) as it is now, adding more gv:s would only be adding more frustration. Especially if you add Panthers or Tigers and have Ostwinds kill them off.
When we have a working ground combat dimension, I would like to see:
StuG IIIG
Pz VD (Panther)
T-34/85
SU-100
M4A3 76 (w) (Sherman)
M36 (Jackson)
Why this combination? The SU-100 and M36 can take out a Panther with a front hit at good ranges. StuGIIIG, T-34/85 and Sherman are all relatively evenly matched. Panther, SU-100 and M36 would be "cheap" perk vehicles.
Also, these town killers should/could be added to take out towns and bases.
StuH42
JSU-152
M4A3 (105)
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Well thought Karnak, I agree with you totally.
I'd maybe swap the Airacobra for something,- an italian fighter, bomber, or even the Bristol Beaufighter.
But that's just me;)
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Yes Hortland I know that:)
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I didn't read all of it (ok, so I'm impatient).
P-39: I would totally love to have this plane.
Ki-84: I wouldn't fly it, but it'd add variety to the MA (because a few of the N1K2/Spit/La7 'drivers' would switch over.
Stukas: I'd love to see them in, but they would see no use in the MA at all, only be good for scenarios.
H8K2: Flying boat = cool :).
Tanks: Ah, definate thumbs down in my opinion. The Flakpansie would eat them alive too, so there is no point in adding them (in my opinion). Once the tungsten-cored HEAP rounds are taken out of the Flakpansies ammo loadout, a Sherman or T-34 would be a cool addition.
I'd also like to see some early-mid war Russian planes, and some early-mid war Japanese planes. Ki-43,Ki-44 come to mind.
Oh, I'd also like to see a Spit IX LF next version, to give the Brit fans something good to fly around that isn't vastly over-priced perwise.
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i think the P-39 would be a horrible addition to aces high from everything ive read about it, it was basically a pile of junk that the russians picked up from us ied much rather see an Me-163, or F-8f which would actually be worth flying
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P-51s are over-hyped.
P-39s are under-rated.
Though many factors are at work, and it can't be measured in a simple comparison, just for the record the highest scoring Allied aces were using La-5FNs and P-39s. Alexander Pokryshkin, Grigory Rechkalov and Ivan Kozhedub, are among the highest scoring aces in the Allied side. Of those three Pokryshkin and Rechkalov used the P-39 to utmost efficiency against German pilots in Bf109s and Fw190s.
P-39 certainly is not a great plane, not all too good in flight performance - not the fastest, doesn't climb or dive the best, doesn't turn best.. but it is a well balanced plane with about the best firepower there is - 4~6(depending on version) Browning M2 50 calibur machine guns + a 37mm cannon.
Besides, substantial numbers were used at the Eastern front and absolutely a vital part of the VVS plane set. I'd rather have the P-39 than a wonder weapon or a plane that never saw combat.
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i still cannot see why u guys hate the bearcat r u guys scared of it so it never actually flew in the war but we skiped making the F-7f just so we could get the bearcat into war god when was it realeased like 3 days after war was over i think since it was made in that era and The us wanted it in service so bad that it should be here as a perk plane or something as for the komet thats no wounder wepon probably really hard to fly but it pionered flight and was a huge step forward i think it would be awsome to have it against bomber even wit a 10 min fuel load i dunno i guess the P-39 just doesnt look fun personally ied love to see The Me-163,Mk1 Meteor, or Mxy-7ohka in 1.11 just for something way new when the last time we got something big like those? the 262 which is fun but getting boring
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Originally posted by MaddDog
i still cannot see why u guys hate the bearcat r u guys scared of it so it never actually flew in the war but we skiped making the F-7f just so we could get the bearcat into war god when was it realeased like 3 days after war was over i think since it was made in that era and The us wanted it in service so bad that it should be here as a perk plane or something as for the komet thats no wounder wepon probably really hard to fly but it pionered flight and was a huge step forward i think it would be awsome to have it against bomber even wit a 10 min fuel load i dunno i guess the P-39 just doesnt look fun personally ied love to see The Me-163,Mk1 Meteor, or Mxy-7ohka in 1.11 just for something way new when the last time we got something big like those? the 262 which is fun but getting boring
Punctuation is a good thing.
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MaddDog,
There are plenty of aircraft that saw service and would be great additions to AH. The F8F does not scare us, it simply has no place in a WWII sim. We'd much rather HTC spent their time modeling WWII equipment.
The only thing the Meteor Mk I would have going for it would be its four nose mounted 20mm Hispano Mk II cannon. The Typhoon outdoes it in every way.
The Ohka might be interesting, but it would require a G4M2 "Betty" as well.
The Me163 would have been a great addition back when there were bombers to use it against. Now, it'd be pretty useless.
The Ki-84 was produced in huge numbers and saw lots of action. It would be one of the ten most popular fighters in AH. No other aircraft yet to be added can make that claim, unless a new version of the Spitfire gets added unperked. The Ki-84 saw lots of combat whereas the F8F saw none.
The H8K2 would add a flying boat to the game as well as a powerful Japanese bomber. That would be a new thing, whereas the F8F is just another fighter.
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i guess we see differently i play for fun u guys go into MA and battle it out so yea i see where ur comin from but i sit in TA and just fly around and fight some other peole in there eventually im goin to MA but not yet, so yea anyway i still dont get one ting what do u mea no bomber to use the komet against?
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"WWII air combat"
.. Which part of these words do you not understand?
If we were looking for 'fun' only, what's to stop us from putting the Millenium Falcon in AH? Or put up the Death Star available for 2000 perks?
ps) MA or TA has nothing to do with the difference in our views. The outline of this game, as many people agree on, remains within the boundaries of WWII. Me163 would be an interesting addition, but planes like the F8F, P-51H, Do335 and such do not have a place here.
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Yes the line must be drawn somewhear, i would love to fly the Do 335 as much as some would want the F8F, but the line has been draw at what saw combat. As others have said so many great planes from WW 2 have yet to be done, some are listed above and others will be some day added, planes like the I 16, the Cr 42, He 123, the Me 163 all conceavably have a place in AH, I would love to see them all, and hopefully we will. One thing is for shure HTC is a growing concern, they are concerned with improving their product, and expanding their universe"it's Alive!".
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Originally posted by Karnak
Here is the list of aircraft I would pick for 1.11. This is not a list of my "most wanted" aircraft, but the list that I think would be best for AH.
Ki-84-Ia Hayate "Frank"
H8K2 "Emily"
P-39Q Airacobra
Ju87B-1
Ju87G-1
T-34/85
Panther V G
I have real dificulty beliving that inthe AH world that one tank is o so different from another.................I believe the T34 85 was a 44 variant............... a vehicle I would add for eastern front scenario play (42 to 45) and for kick bellybutton ma action would be the Katyusha rocket launcher with trailer...................
Highly inaccurate but I would love to see a few salvos (one of two with the trailer) of 24 heavy rockets falling on a town or airfield from a max. 16 mile range.
The best way to model it would be as a chevy truck & trailer with various load outs..................
Load out 1 would be a 24 rocket Katyusha rocket trailer with another 24 mounted on the truck.
Load out 2 would be a 5" artilery piece (as trailer) with ammo stored in the truck.
Load out 3 would be a 75/85 mm AA gun(as trailer) with ammo stored in the truck.
Load out 4 would be a 37mm flack gun and ammo in the trailer and 10 troops in the truck.
To use any of the above the player has to stop the truck and set up his trailer and munitions or equip his troops......a period of say 30 /60 sec's during which he is highly vunerable
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karnak:
I would add additional shipping ie. Tankers, supply ships barges etc. to represent supply assets for countries. The game has railroads, trucks etc. and can use Goonies for resupply. I think additional shipping can be added to the overall strat system for certain maps, plus be used as legitimate targets.
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>>The Me-163,Mk1 Meteor, or Mxy-7ohka in 1.11 just for something way new when the last time we got something big like those? <<
Hehe, 11 sentences and 2, count em, two punctuation marks. :)
It left me breathless ;)
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I think the Sherman m4A3(75) and the T-34/85 should be co introduced and then the perk panther...but that is splitting hairs.
Given that the Panther was designed as a reponse to the T-34/76, I'd expect the T-34/85 to be perked just as much as the Panther.
Of course, unless the weapon-vs-armor and weapon-vs-structure code is fixed, it doesn't matter how much it's perked -- it will still be porked.
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Don't forget ships! :) I'd allso love to see more realistic ship damadge model, where guns and stuff can be taken out, right now attacking a carrier is pretty much useless, unless you've got 10-15 other people with you, though in real life you may not be able to take out a ship your self, a small squad could severly damadge it, like the Fairey Sword Fish attack on the bismark, they didn't sink it, but blew off rudder & damadged few other things, making it possible for our ships to come in and sink it.
I'd allmost like to see ship damadge model as much as a few biplanes or a b25 :D
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Actualy the gun on the T34/85 is comperable in preformance to that on the PzKfW IV we have now. The Gun on the Panther is A FAR better weapon,,and the Panther A far better over all Tank than the T34 series.
Cariers are still prety easy to kill, I have witnesed sereral one person sinkings of CV's lately, I beleave a bomber formation was responsable. Last night AGJV44, and I sank a CV in one sortie together, I was in a P38 and he had an A20G.
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I am selfish.
P-47M or N perked for the playpen arena
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Originally posted by Shiva
Given that the Panther was designed as a reponse to the T-34/76, I'd expect the T-34/85 to be perked just as much as the Panther.
Not sure of your logic but.
The Panther way way way over matches a T34/85. The T34/85 is a closer match for a panzer IVH.
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Originally posted by Shiva:
Given that the Panther was designed as a reponse to the T-34/76, I'd expect the T-34/85 to be perked just as much as the Panther.
This has no bearing on what is perked and not perked. The unit's effectiveness governs whether it is perk or not. Look at the Spitfire Mk XIV for example, it was introduced well before the P-51D, Bf109G-10, N1K2 or Fw190D-9 and built in larger numbers than the N1K2 or Fw190D-9, yet it is perked and the others are not.
I'm with Pongo on this one.
Look at the PnZ IV H as compared with the T-34/85:
PnZ IV H compared to T-34/85:
Pro:
Better gun
Some AA
Better optics (if HTC starts to model this)
Better visibility
Con:
Worse armor
Worse terrain handling
Slower
Now for Panther V G vs. T-34/85:
Pro:
Much better gun
Some AA
Better optics (if HTC starts to model this)
Better visibility
Better armor
Con:
Slightly slower
As we can see, the T-34/85 in no way equals the Panther V G and in fact is a good match for the PnZ IV H. Thus we can see that the T-34/85 should not be perked.
As to your other comment, well, I can only hope for a revised damage system. Perhaps one in which rounds do not do their maximum damage every time, as in Il-2.
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Originally posted by oboe
I like all the a/c on this list, but no comment on the GVs. I rarely use them.
I'd add ... an early P-38 like the F, G, or H, to add fighter options for the US in early/mid war PTO settings.
I'm in complete agreement ... I like Karnak's list of a/c, have no comment on the GV's, and would really like to have more P-38 options.
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Originally posted by MaddDog
ied much rather see an F-8f which would actually be worth flying
F8's never saw combat, no justification adding them here. P39 was a decent ground attack aircraft.
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Agree with
Ki-84
P-39Q
Panther Tank series
T-34
Ju87
I would eject the Flying boats for a Beaufighter Mk21, or a Me-410.
I don't think the lack of a T-34 AA gun makes too much difference considering the lack of defensive firepower the Pz-IV can produce with it's AA wep.
Tronsky
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well i beg for GVs , but firts of it get ride of any icons vs GV , othervise perk GV have no chance
some reduction on the zomm in guner position , preset zoom for comander
make the heavy gvs realy resistant vs not specialized plane guns
now the prefered gvs,
234 /1 and 2 and 3 KFZ like the 2 cm and the 5 cm version , other name PUMA
some camions like kfz 251,opel blitz, demag,maultier, zis, wilis jeep, dodge wc 51
and the best for them to tow like : pak 38 , pak 40, m 101 and any other howitzers, and dont forget nebelwerfer towed or mounted
something exotic like bmw r 75 motorcykle with sidecar
what for ? if no more icons, reduced mega zoms scouts and comander vehicles with beter zom will be necesery to coordinate
about pathers ,i thing it was the G version who used on some the firs night vision device
also dont forget a nice bunch of tank hunters like wolfwerine , jagdpanzers ,su 100
well lotsa work for natedog and superfly:D , about the airquakers who pretend have fun only flying planes, with this selection your quake furbal will looks more like a ww2fight and with no lazer50 calibers and no hizokas u will have oportunity use il2 , stuka
if no icons automaticly ostwind willbe lees deadly
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Originally posted by minus:
if no icons automaticly ostwind willbe lees deadly
Why so? It seems that no icons on the Osti would make it more dangerous. I wouldn't know what it was until way, way too late and I would have a big, fat "MOSS" icon to let it know exactly what I am.
Admittedly this would make all GVs (brown ones at least) more survivable as everybody would have to assume that they were Ostwinds.
It sure wouldn't make Ostwinds less powerful though.
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karnak if osti or m 16 get ride icons vs plane s and versa and especialy distance mesure , then guners have to realy peel eyes to track the bugers
yes the plane have to carefuly pick up target , but is it necesery to give chance a perk gvs, and the aa guner will have hard time to track targets and surprise strafing will become more efective , anyway if concentrated group of flaks will present danger ifthey coordinated be a comander vehicle ,this one can keep up icons like now
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Ah. I got you. You mean the Osti wouldn't get my icon either.
I thoght you just meant that aircraft wouldn't get GV icons.
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Few T-34 had a radio.
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>>Few T-34 had a radio<<
Rgr that. Only the command tank had radio.
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My vote goes for the Panther II tank for a new "perk tank":D
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Originally posted by Don
>>Few T-34 had a radio<<
Rgr that. Only the command tank had radio.
I think that this was only a problem for the Russians at the start of the war. Who has stats on this?
my vote is for the Panther, too! One of the best AFVs of WW2.
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The following based on the historic infuance these aircraft had.
US
B-24
Devistator (would round out the early was PAC)
B-29
B-25
LW
JU-87
HE-111
Do-17
Japanees
Frank
Betty
Kate (would round out the early was PAC)
Russian (note - I am sure there are other russian AC but I am not as well versed in eastern front history to know better)
Pe-2
P-39 (Lend lease)
Avid
P.S. Oh and P-47N just becuse I want it :-)
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Originally posted by brady
Pongo raises and interesting point, Just how reselent would a King Tiger be to bomb damage?
Just how reselent should a PzKfW hull be to bomb damage....
The other knight I took out an osty's engine with my 7.9mm hull MG by shoting him in the rear from about 100 yards.
How well are these things modeled?
The big issue with any perk vehical will always be the air component of the game, in our Ah universe of NO cover for GV's, a world whear GV's rarely live long enough to fight one another before they are killed by a plane I wounder how happy we will be when We hop in our PANTHER (we just paid to ride) and a P 38 drop's 2 k on our head, ya shure we fired our MG 34 at him, but it is only realy effective aganst Panzer IV's......
Strafing wasnt serious threat to any major tank models of ww2. There was usually 12-20mm of armor at tanks deck.
It would need specialized AT-cannon to have any serious effect.
As few examples...
-BK 3.7cm(Modified 3.7cm FlaK 36 with wolfram core ammunition)
(http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/bk37-b.jpg)
-BK 5cm (Modified 5cm PaK 38)
(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/arm/arm5.jpg)
-BK7.5cm (Modified 7.5cm PaK 40)
-NS-37
(http://hep2.physics.arizona.edu/~savin/ram/ns-37-okbmigp226-prev.jpg)
-NS-45
(http://hep2.physics.arizona.edu/~savin/ram/ns-45-gor1p149-prev.jpg)
-Vickers 40mm
(http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/sgun.jpg)
Not even such guns like VYa-23 despite of very heavy bullet(for its caliber) and high muzzle velocity were enough to kill medium tanks. (25mm penetration against vertical plate)
Also after action research (in late 1944) at battlegrounds in france didnt show much (if any) of tanks killed by strafing. Yes pilots of ground attack units did serious overclaiming. Actually research showed that their effect was only supressing and few (from air)tank kills were made with direct hits from bombs or rockets. I posted of this study in GV damage thread earlier.
About 40mm Vickers from Tonys site:
Tests in the Far East showed a high level of accuracy, with an average of 25% of shots fired at tanks striking the target. Attacks with HE were twice as accurate as with AP, possibly because the ballistics were a closer match with the .303" Brownings used for sighting (the HE shell was lighter and was fired at a higher velocity). By comparison, the practice strike rate of the 60 pdr RPs (rocket projectiles) fired by fighter-bombers was only 5% against tank-sized targets. Operational Research following the Normandy battles of 1944 revealed that in action this fell to only 0.5%, presumably because of problems in making the complex mental calculations about the trajectory of the slow-accelerating rockets, although the effect of a salvo of RPs on the morale of tank crews was admittedly considerable.
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Originally posted by ROT
My vote goes for the Panther II tank for a new "perk tank":D
Tank in your picture is PzKpfw VG "Panther", late model. (redesigned gun mantlet to avoid ricochets through deck armor)
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Originally posted by Packy
I think that this was only a problem for the Russians at the start of the war. Who has stats on this?
my vote is for the Panther, too! One of the best AFVs of WW2.
Only command tank had radio during 1941-42 but later all russian tanks were equipped with radio in beginning of 1943...
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illo, nice post m8t.
Sometimes in AH it seams that they way armor is modeled is if you were firing on a Ammo bunker, once you get enough hits on it it will fail. So if you dump X amount of 20mm into the side of a tank it will fail, or it may require 10x of 7mm to do the same thing, which is in sharp contrast to reality.
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What I would choose for
1.11.
He 177A-5
Ju 87B-1
Ju 87D-5
P-39Q-10
LaGG-3
1.12 :)
B-239
Jak-1
I-16 type 28
I-153
Gloster Gladiator
1.13 :D
KI-84c
FW 190A-6
P 51A
Jak-9
La-5
1.14 :eek:
terrain revision.
T-34/85
M2A3e8 Sherman.
perk Brummbär (150mm Inf. gun on PzKpfw IV chassis with good sloped armor)
+some AT airplanes.
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P-39Q Aircobra
P-63A-10 Kingcobra
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Originally posted by illo
Tank in your picture is PzKpfw VG "Panther", late model. (redesigned gun mantlet to avoid ricochets through deck armor)
Nope..... That is indeed the sole Panther II ever built.
The late Panther G turret was put on it late in the war by the Germans or the Americans.
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Cant blame me. :)
(http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/schmal.jpg)
Panther II turret.
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/images/germany/pzkpfw_v_f_01.jpg)
Panther G "Uhu" would be better perk. :)
PzKpfw Vg early with IR sighting device.
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/images/germany/pzkpfw_v_09.jpg)
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/germany/pzkpfw_v_photos.html (some neat photos here)
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Originally posted by MaddDog
i still cannot see why u guys hate the bearcat r u guys scared of it so it never actually flew in the war but we skiped making the F-7f just so we could get the bearcat into war god when was it realeased like 3 days after war was over i think since it was made in that era and The us wanted it in service so bad that it should be here as a perk plane or something as for the komet thats no wounder wepon probably really hard to fly but it pionered flight and was a huge step forward i think it would be awsome to have it against bomber even wit a 10 min fuel load i dunno i guess the P-39 just doesnt look fun personally ied love to see The Me-163,Mk1 Meteor, or Mxy-7ohka in 1.11 just for something way new when the last time we got something big like those? the 262 which is fun but getting boring
i don't want to see any aircraft in Aces High that didn't fly in the real war i think it would be detrimental to the game and would turn it into a "Secret Weapons of World War II" game and if i wanted that then i'd go play CFS2 with a bunch of add-on F-15s and such like that (by the way i installed a Viper from "Battlestar Galactica" into CFS2 and its pretty cool but stalls like a brick) I'd rather see the DB520 as a French plane and the Ki-84 as a Japanese plane because both of these countries are under-represented right now i would also like to see maybe the Commonwealth Boomerang but i don't know how popular it would be i would certainly like to see a Sherman tank added - faster ground speed but weaker gun - and the Ju-87 Stuka with the ground-pounding tank-busting cannons i can't believe the Stuka and Sherman aren't included yet i think it would be cool to have a destroyer be player-selectable from the port hangar so that i could sail over to an enemy base and shell the airfield or attack an enemy carrier with the deck guns