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Title: Kawanishi H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on July 29, 2002, 04:32:08 AM: The Navy Type 2 Flying-boat Model 12 (H8K2 Emily)

112 H8K2 built

Weight:
Empty 15502kg
Gross 24500kg
Overload #1 31000kg
Super Overload 32500kg

*Gross Weight is at Recon sortie.

Dimensions:
Span 38.00m
Length 28.13m
Height 9.15m

Engine:
4 x Kasei 22 Air-Cooled Radial 14 Cylinders Engine
Takeoff Power 1850hp/2600rpm
Military Power #1 1680hp/2500rpm/2100m
Military Power #2 1540hp/2500rpm/5500m

Propeller:
Diameter 3.90m
Pitch Setting Angle 27 - 47 deg

Wing:
Area 160.00m^2

Aileron:
Area 11.86m^2
Range of Movement +-20 deg

Flap:
Area 20.16m^2
Range of Movement 25 deg

Vertical Stabilizer:
Height 4.04m
Area 13.09m^2
Setting Angle 0 deg
Rudder Area 3.93m^2 (including Tab)
Range of Movement 30 deg (left) / 30 deg (right)

Horizontal Stabilizer:
Span 10.00m
Total Area 22.20m^2
Incidence 0 deg
Elevator Area 4.28m^2
Range of Movement 25 deg (up) / 10 deg (down)

Ratio:
Wing Loading 153.1kg/m^2
Power Loading 3.31kg/hp (Takeoff Power)
Power Loading 3.98kg/hp (Military Power #1)
Power Loading 4.39kg/hp (Military Power #2)

Tank Capacities:
Fuel 18460 liters
Oil 1000 liters
Water/Methanol 500 liters

Crew:
10 - 13 men

Performance:
Maximum speed 252kt/4500m (290mph/14764ft)
Cruising speed 160kt/4000m (184mph/13123ft)
Climb to 4000m in 8 minutes 53 seconds
Service ceiling 8760m
Range 3862nm (Maximum)
3200nm (normal load at 4000m)
Landing Speed 70kt
Takeoff Speed 75.6kt/18.2sec (normal load)
81kt/28sec (overload)
82kt/34.2sec (super overload)

Armament:
5 x Type 99 20mm Cannons
3 x Type 97 7.7mm MGs or 7 x Type 97 7.7mm MGs (Maximum)

Bombs:
16 x 60kg bombs
8 x 250kg bombs
2 x 800kg bombs
2 x 1500kg bombs
2 x 800kg torpedos

Source:
Mechanic of World Aircraft 7: The Navy Type 2 Flying-boat
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on July 29, 2002, 04:35:21 AM: Forgot attaching pic.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Seeker on July 29, 2002, 05:46:39 AM: 1) You guys are going to agree on the name before it's released, right? No funny "Petition to call the Emily some thing more feminine" threads, right?

2) Perk it!
Title: 3D Cutaway, Cockpit Art
Post by: Mitsu on July 29, 2002, 05:54:22 AM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_cutaway.jpg)

(http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k_cockpit.jpg)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: brady on July 29, 2002, 06:23:16 AM: WOW, what a beautiful plane, thank you Mitsu for sharing that with us.

Clearly it would take some doing on HTC's part but what a wounderfull adation to AH she would be. Not only is she one of the most famious of all Japanese planes from WW2, but an extreamly capable adation, and the Japanese planeset would gaine so much from hear adation.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Karnak on July 29, 2002, 03:11:17 PM: Thanks Mitsu.

I really, really want this aircraft in AH.

Do you have any diagrams for the Emily as you did for the Ki-67?
Title: Coloring and Marking of Emily
Post by: Mitsu on July 30, 2002, 04:55:18 AM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k_coloring.jpg)
Title: Stencil amd Marking of Emily SN "426"
Post by: Mitsu on July 30, 2002, 04:59:33 AM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_stencil.jpg)

(http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_stencil-2.jpg)
Title: H8K2 1/144 Scale Drawing
Post by: Mitsu on July 30, 2002, 05:58:43 AM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_drawing.jpg)

(http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_drawing-2.jpg)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: brady on July 30, 2002, 06:11:00 AM: WOW TY Mitsu!
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on July 30, 2002, 06:18:57 AM: I have a lot of Emily's interior photos and field of fire pics etc etc... :)

I'll scan them later.
Title: Torpedo and Bomb Attachment
Post by: Mitsu on July 30, 2002, 06:52:27 AM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k_attachment.jpg)

(http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k_attachment-2.jpg)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: butch2k on July 30, 2002, 07:37:34 AM: Let's add a few things ;) to Mitsu excellent post :)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: butch2k on July 30, 2002, 07:38:41 AM: Source is of course the TAIC Manual
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on July 30, 2002, 07:40:54 AM: butch2k,

it is awesome info, thank you. :)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: ZEKE on July 30, 2002, 09:31:14 AM: Cool :cool:

I wish to use for Rescue Mission.:D
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on July 30, 2002, 09:45:36 AM: ZEKE, yeah flying-boat is really good addition for new version i think. it is completely new unit from sea, it makes new feature for Aces High. and also it can use for multi-role sortie. :)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Wanker on July 30, 2002, 09:49:48 AM: How could Pyro say no to such a wonderful plane, and with such good information as posted by Mitsu?!

I'm going to have to point out this thread to him at the con. I've been begging him for the Emily for over a year now.

Great thread Mitsu!
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: CyranoAH on July 30, 2002, 10:01:31 AM: Ok you can have your Emily, but I want my Catalina next! :D

Daniel
Title: Defensive Guns - Tail and Top Turret
Post by: Mitsu on July 30, 2002, 10:20:08 AM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k_defensivegun-1.jpg)

Defensive Guns - Nose Turret

(http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k_defensivegun-2.jpg)

Defensive Guns - Field of Fire and Bottom Turret

(http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k_defensivegun-3.jpg)

Defensive Guns - Reverse Turrets and Sponson Turrets

(http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k_defensivegun-4.jpg)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Viper17 on July 30, 2002, 10:41:39 AM: Wonder if HTC can read Japanese:confused: I shure cant. I would like to read those specs and diagrams. I love that sort of thing.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Vermillion on July 30, 2002, 02:17:32 PM: Very nice material Mitsu! Thanks :)

Wow what a big friggin target that plane would be though. It would be almost impossible to miss.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: brady on July 30, 2002, 06:16:40 PM: Yes but it was preportadly very strong, and capable of asorbing some damage, and WOW I heard it bristled with guns but Man Look at all those gun positions! Great stuff Mitsu TY again.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Karnak on July 30, 2002, 08:11:42 PM: I had assumed that because it was a flying boat it would have no belly defense, much like the Ki-67. However I see in those diagrams that only the B-17 and B-24 would have more verticle downward fire. Of course in the B-17 and B-24 they are .50 cals and on the Emily they are 7.7mms, but anything is better than nothing.

I want this bird even more now.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Swager on July 30, 2002, 08:22:15 PM: Hummmmm! I wonder where the Japanese got the idea to make that type of frame? Looks alot like a Lockheed flying boat that went missing in the Pacific before the war.

What was the name of that flying boat? The China Clipper?
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Karnak on July 30, 2002, 09:15:10 PM: Swager,

Nope. If you read the development history of the H8K you'll see that it is an independantly developed design. It is considered to be the single biggest jump in flying boats ever. You don't get that by making a copy of somebody else's design.

Also look at the Short Sunderland. Was that also a copy of the Pacific Clipper? The fact of the matter is that Flying Boats being, well, boats places heavy limits on the types of fuselages that are appropriate. Big flying boats all tend to look something like the Pacific Clipper / H8K / Sunderland.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: ZEKE on July 31, 2002, 01:40:39 AM: http://www.ops.dti.ne.jp/~gotha/KMAC/Photo/Image/type2fb.jpg

http://uncleted.jinak.cz/pdf/flyboat.pdf

http://www.excite.co.jp/world/url/body/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fides.dti.ne.jp%2F%7Egg-sann%2Fjpn%2F2siki_taitei-01.html&submit=%83E%83F%83u%83y%81%5B%83W%96%7C%96%F3&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis=2&wb_co=excitejapan

lol

so I want this plane within two weeks.:cool:
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on July 31, 2002, 02:08:29 AM: ZEKE's first CG is nice. :)

(http://www.ops.dti.ne.jp/~gotha/KMAC/Photo/Image/type2fb.jpg)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: brady on July 31, 2002, 05:14:22 AM: Yes that is nice.
Title: Crew Compartment
Post by: Mitsu on July 31, 2002, 09:06:57 AM: Some pics are from H8K2-L "Seiku" (Transporter), but its cockpit is almost the same as H8K2 Emily.

(http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k_crew_compartment-1.jpg)
(right bottom photo is H8K2 Emily's cockpit.)

(http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k_crew_compartment-2.jpg)
(Upper photo is H8K2-L's direction search and radio room. Middile pic shows H8K2's crew compartment. Bottom photo is sponson gunner's room.)

(http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k_crew_compartment-3.jpg)
(H8K2-L's engineman's room)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Blank on July 31, 2002, 11:42:53 AM: Mitsu you are a star :) :) :)

I have been trying to think of a new plane to make for my portfolio and with all this info you have just posted all the research is basically done.
It is just to good an opertunity to miss!

Who said playing games is a waste of time as again the AH community is helping me with work :)

Plus its a really cool plane.

I'll post a piccy when its finished

Thanks again Mitsu :D :D :D
Title: Interior photos of H8K2 Emily S/N "426"
Post by: Mitsu on July 31, 2002, 12:30:56 PM: I'm gonna show them from now.

These photos are H8K2 Emily S/N "426" which is now displayed at Museum of Maritime Science, Tokyo. Of course photos are taken after the war.
Title: Nose Room
Post by: Mitsu on July 31, 2002, 12:38:59 PM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_interiorphoto-1.jpg)
(This room is for nose gunner, bombardier, and navigator)
Title: Nose Room #2
Post by: Mitsu on July 31, 2002, 12:51:43 PM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_interiorphoto-2.jpg)

Viewing nose room from front, this photo shows bombardier's chair, navigator's desk, and ladder which leads to the forward room (cockpit/engineman's room).
Title: Forward Room
Post by: Mitsu on July 31, 2002, 01:31:58 PM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_interiorphoto-3.jpg)
This photo shows cockpit, a ceiling of this room, and each crew's position (pilot, co-pilot, commander, engineman, front radio operator, voluntary navigator...etc)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on July 31, 2002, 01:33:17 PM: OK, I gotta take a sleep, upload more interior photos later. :)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Karnak on July 31, 2002, 07:52:11 PM: I have been hoping that the H8K2 was on HTCs "to do" list, but was afraid that there simply might not be enough information about the H8K out there for them to do it even if they wanted to.

Mitsu and butch2K have shown that is not the case. I really hope HTC adds this one at some point. The big bombers do take a huge amount of work, but it would be a wonderful addition to AH.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: brady on July 31, 2002, 08:41:02 PM: Yes They do man what a wounderfull adation she would be, Thanks again Mitsu I have never seen pics of her like these:)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Pongo on August 01, 2002, 01:03:29 AM: wonderful thread.
looks like this plane is on the list for Target Raubul
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: GRUNHERZ on August 01, 2002, 02:05:49 AM: I'm starting to like this plane!!! Keep the pics coming Mitsu. :D

My guess is only it ups from ports and no three plane formation.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on August 01, 2002, 02:26:52 AM: GRUNHERz,

Yeah, I think so too. they would have a problem like TBM's 3-ship formation issue. this flying-boat could do a level-bombing though. :)

But this plane should be able to take off from a fleet, because Japanese fleet often supported H8K2 Emily.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: GRUNHERZ on August 01, 2002, 02:59:06 AM: Take off from fleet..

Hey thats pretty interesting possibilty. How bout this HTC adds a seaplane tender to the fleet, and the survival of that ship determines availabity of all seaplanes from the fleet.

That would be cool and add more interest to the game! :D
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: gatso on August 01, 2002, 06:27:04 AM: In one of those pics I definately see wheels, Are they internal and suitable for landing on runways or is it a cart used to move it around whilst on dry land? There are a lot of fields at sea level and it would be cool to be able to drive up a ramp and land on the field, would make it a lot more practical to land sorties. Also any depth charge info? Subs may still be on 'the list' and I can see this being a fantastic ASW aircraft.

I'll put my $0.02 in, this is a truly beautiful aircraft and I want one.

Gatso
Title: The back of Forward Room
Post by: Mitsu on August 01, 2002, 07:09:49 AM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_interiorphoto-4.jpg)
a large photo shows engineman (left) and direction finder man's (right) position.

2 small photos of the left bottom side show a duct, and crew's bench for a rest.

The right upper photo shows a top hatch and its ladder. this hatch is also used as a reserve turret.

The right middle photo shows No.1 fuel tanks.

The right bottom photo shows crew's bed and bench for a rest.
and you can go to the rear room through the hatch. :)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: brady on August 01, 2002, 07:28:44 AM: This is so cool, it is like a mini series, whear each day we are intruduced to a new part of the plane:)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: brady on August 01, 2002, 07:35:30 AM: Every Navy had seaplane tenders, and from those tenders operated all type's of seaplanes, also seaplane bases were built in and around loggons and sheltered coastal areas, as well as coastal air bases. In Ah this could mean, Port's, CV groops, and coastal Airbases, as well as coastal V bases.

Another point is look at the back of the CA in the standard MA fleat. their is a Float plane launcher promentaly modeled, while it certainly would not suport and Emily, I can think of A bunch of cool planes it would. So the CV is sunk u can still up a AR 196, or a Jake:)
Title: Rear Room
Post by: Mitsu on August 01, 2002, 07:35:59 AM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_interiorphoto-5.jpg)
An upper photo shows barrier between forward room and rear room.
A bottom photo is viewing a nose from a rear room.

(http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_interiorphoto-6.jpg)
An upper photo shows the central main wings seen from rear.
Middle photos show the bottom turret of the right wing.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Shiva on August 01, 2002, 08:09:25 AM: Ummm.... are there enough 'jump to' commands for all the gun positions in the Emily? HTC may have to fake it a bit to keep the number of gunner positions within the game limits.
Title: The back of Rear Room
Post by: Mitsu on August 01, 2002, 08:09:54 AM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_interiorphoto-7.jpg)
An upper left photo shows the back of rear room.
It also shows sponson turrets and top turret.

A bottom left photo shows a hatch between sponson turrets.
This hatch leads to the fuel tanks room.

An upper right photo shows an opening and closing of the sponson turret window.

A bottom right photo shows a ceiling of sponson turrets position.
Title: Dorsal Turret
Post by: Mitsu on August 01, 2002, 08:31:26 AM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_interiorphoto-8.jpg)
An upper photo is viewing a top turret from above.

Middle photo is viewing a top turret from below.

Middle right photo shows a ventilating duct near bottom right side of top turret.

Bottom photo shows a hatch of bottom left side of top turret, which leads to the bottom of boat.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on August 01, 2002, 08:33:32 AM: I'll scan tail room, tail turret, and downward room tomorrow. :)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: lord dolf vader on August 01, 2002, 08:41:36 AM: 2 questions

from befor could it land on land?

where is the head/bathroom?
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on August 01, 2002, 08:48:29 AM: Quote
Originally posted by lord dolf vader
from befor could it land on land?

No, it can't.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Zigrat on August 01, 2002, 10:38:07 AM: brady did you go to school with hitech?

:)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Karnak on August 01, 2002, 01:51:54 PM: This is great Mitsu. Thanks.

I think that the H8K2 would be flyable from ports and coastal airbases as PT Boats can spawn from those points. Coastal VHs might be an interesting option as well.

I don't think that the H8K2 sould be usable from fleets. Who'd use a carrier based bomber when they could take this instead?

I do think that the H8K2 should have the 3 aircraft formation option.

Mitsu,

Do you know how much ammo was carried for each of the gun positions?
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: brady on August 01, 2002, 06:41:04 PM: Zigrat, ah no.....Why do you ask?

Can't wait Mitsu:)
Title: Rear Radio Room
Post by: Mitsu on August 02, 2002, 06:38:23 AM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_interiorphoto-9.jpg)

This photo shows rear radio room.
The rear radio room is between rear room and tail room.

An upper photo shows a port-side of rear radio room.

A bottom left photo shows a hatch between tail room and this room.

A bottom right photo shows rear room and this room.
Title: Tail Room
Post by: Mitsu on August 02, 2002, 07:09:40 AM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_interiorphoto-10.jpg)
A left photo is looking ahead from tag end of tail room.
There are hatch, toilet, rear bottom turret, and tail turret in tail room.

A right photo is looking behind from the middle of tail room.
Maybe you can see chain in this photo, it brings cartridge clips for tail turret.

Other 3 photos show the open mouth of tail bottom turret, and hatch and toilet.
Title: Tail Turret
Post by: Mitsu on August 02, 2002, 07:22:53 AM: (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/battoutai/images/h8k/h8k2_interiorphoto-11.jpg)
This photo shows tail turret.

I'll scan downward room (location is bottom of boat) later.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on August 02, 2002, 07:43:01 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Karnak

Mitsu,

Do you know how much ammo was carried for each of the gun positions?

At least...

Nose 20mm turret - it had 7 drum magazines (45 rds each).
Top 20mm turret - it had 10 drum magazines (45 rds each).
Sponson 20mm turret - unknown...
Tail 20mm turret - it had 9 or 10 drum magines (45 rds each).
Rear bottom 2 x 7.7mm turrets - they had 6 drum magazines (total), but size is unknown...

I would research more about this.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on August 02, 2002, 07:45:58 AM: I guess that sponson turrets and top turrets shared drum magazines.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: brady on August 02, 2002, 06:22:05 PM: Obtaining the Magizen capacities for the 7.7mm weapons would not be to dificult, what of the storage for the other 7.7mm guns throught the boat?

Are you shure the the Waist and top turet shared Magizines, that is not a lot of 20mm ammo between the 3 guns, much less than the tail and nose.

TY again Mitsu.

Their has got to be somwone around who served on these Planes, to bad we can't just go over for lunch and say hey, how many 20mm Magizines did you have in the back:)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Epsilon 5 on August 04, 2002, 04:00:34 AM: All i can say is ...

wow...

will someone from HTC post here...?
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Halo on August 04, 2002, 10:46:07 AM: Elegant work and thread. Emily and Catalina with seaplane tender and other mobile basing would sure add an interesting new dimension to Aces High.

However, as in real life, they would be awfully big slow targets and couldn't be expected to survive long in the Main Arena. They'd do better in scenarios but even then would have to be deployed judiciously (gee, maw, don't he talk purty...what'd he say? huh?).
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Karnak on August 04, 2002, 03:44:44 PM: Halo,

H8K2 would be significantly more survivable than the Lancaster. Its faster, better armed, climbers way, way, faster and was probably tougher.

The H8K is in a totally different league than the PBY Catalina.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on August 19, 2002, 06:51:56 AM: I got some color photos of Emily.
but I'm tired of scanning. :p
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: brady on August 19, 2002, 07:20:11 AM: Well when u recover, I will be happy to see them:)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Blank on August 19, 2002, 11:51:52 AM: I would also love to see colour pictures of emily, This thread is really, really good, Helped me alot thx :D
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: AAvenger on August 25, 2002, 06:21:59 PM: Here is some color movies of an Emily. I can e-mail it in better quality if you like.

http://dazzle.mightyeyes.com/content/contentViewer.asp?cID=BF2BB4E8-8D75-4472-86CE-0A406C11DE70&authID=A38A4A6E%2D47AD%2D4EEB%2D88D8%2D2745C97A8FE1
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: AAvenger on August 25, 2002, 08:46:54 PM: http://cards.webshots.com/cp-32641326-Muml-album/48281031PSnvta

Color picture of restored Emily on Display in Japan.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Ghosth on August 25, 2002, 10:25:16 PM: Awesome!

Mitsu

Would love to see this girl in AH. Its been one of my dreams for a LONG time to fly a Emily flying boat online.

Bomber, sub hunter, search & rescue, patrol this one does it all with style & she has teeth also!
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Karnak on August 25, 2002, 11:11:02 PM: The end of that gun camera footage is painful to watch. The size of the splash and explosion when the Emily hits the water was huge.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: brady on August 25, 2002, 11:51:34 PM: Ya.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on August 26, 2002, 04:05:05 AM: AAvenger,

Thank you for great movie, it's painful though.
I have a lot of dieing Emily pictures too. :(

I hope you send me a better quality movie via e-mail.

My E-mail: mitsu@ah.wakwak.com or mitty@uranus.dti.ne.jp

Thanks.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: AAvenger on August 26, 2002, 04:12:30 AM: Sure, Ill send email tongiht. I didnt mean any disrespect with that video, I just remembered that I had it after reading this post. ~~AAvenger~~
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: AAvenger on August 26, 2002, 06:31:52 AM: Some more color from some guys web page

http://www.warbirdpix.com/fune22.htm
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Karnak on September 06, 2002, 03:51:34 PM: HTC,

Any chance of getting one of these?
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on September 06, 2002, 05:23:26 PM: btw did they say Flying-boat is planned?
I must read again HT's interview... :rolleyes:
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: gatso on September 06, 2002, 09:11:04 PM: Mitsu I hope so...

Just like to say if I had the choice of awarding a 'best thread ever' this would get it.

Gatso
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: crowbaby on September 07, 2002, 09:17:32 AM: just wanted to add my voice to the list of people who would love to see this in AH.

Thanks for the pics Mitsu!
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on October 10, 2002, 10:40:25 AM: awesome colored photo of emily:
http://www.warbirds.nu/ats/mfg/retouch/military/kuu/h8k2.html
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on October 10, 2002, 10:43:06 AM: B7A2.
http://www.warbirds.nu/ats/mfg/retouch/military/kuu/b7a2.html

Yamato BB.
http://www.warbirds.nu/ats/mfg/retouch/military/kai/yamato.html

Mutsu BB.
http://www.warbirds.nu/ats/mfg/retouch/military/kai/mutu.html
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on October 27, 2002, 08:49:33 AM: Punt. ;)
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Post by: Karnak on October 27, 2002, 01:16:30 PM: It would be a really nice surprise to get Emily in 1.11.
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Post by: Karnak on November 05, 2002, 12:17:28 AM: Hail Mary!
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Post by: JaniKu on November 05, 2002, 12:50:04 AM: Wow! Very nice work Mitsu. Hope we really get that plane. And Brewster of course ;) :D
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Post by: J_A_B on November 05, 2002, 12:53:24 AM: That plane has more rooms than a lot of people's houses.

J_A_B
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Post by: mjolnir on November 07, 2002, 05:26:52 AM: Extremely impressive work Mitsu, this is deserving of another punt!

SUPERFLY, are you reading this?
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Post by: brady on November 07, 2002, 05:58:28 AM: I receaved the book Mitsu scaned these out of a couple weeks ago, and spent hours looking at the images, very Beautiful plane, and would bring much to AH.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Karnak on November 26, 2002, 05:07:00 PM: I really, really want this airplane.
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Post by: Naso on November 27, 2002, 06:39:22 AM: Yeah!!!

HTC, model this plane, please.
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Post by: Blank on November 27, 2002, 09:26:34 AM: pretty please superfly one of these :)
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Post by: Shiva on November 27, 2002, 09:49:06 AM: Nice paper plane...
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Post by: Red Tail 444 on November 27, 2002, 09:51:34 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Vermillion
Wow what a big friggin target that plane would be though. It would be almost impossible to miss.

Heh....I take offense to that comment. I could miss that thing in nine of ten passes!

WTG MItsu, what a nice suprise this would be, along with the Ki-84 :)

Gainsie
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: whgates3 on November 27, 2002, 01:02:09 PM: even if it was a big target it didn't go down easy - very sturdy plane - ever see "The Fighting Lady" - a bunch of F6F make passes at emily before she splashes (& even then they didn't sink her)
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Post by: FDutchmn on November 27, 2002, 01:50:43 PM: out of curiosity...

anyone know the combat records for the H8K2 Emily?
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Post by: Mitsu on November 27, 2002, 03:05:22 PM: oh, FD...I can copy japanese combat records and photos to you via E-Mail. :)
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Post by: hyena426 on November 27, 2002, 04:00:12 PM: i think if they put in a planeboat,,should be the PBY catalina:)
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Post by: Karnak on November 27, 2002, 05:14:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by hyena426
i think if they put in a planeboat,,should be the PBY catalina:)

Why?

The US has gobs of stuff already, thus adding the PBY would only kill one bird with one stone.

The PBY would also, unlike the Emily, be a hoplessly slow sitting duck.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: hyena426 on November 27, 2002, 07:52:57 PM: Quote
The US has gobs of stuff already, thus adding the PBY would only kill one bird with one stone.
well,,,more than one country used it,,,,the PBY cat was made in the usa,, and ussr,,and canada,,,it was use by almost all countries till the 1960's,,,ussr used them,,,france,,,canada,,uk,,even aussie used them,,and still used for helping with forest fires still to this day,,,and its allmost 70years old!!,,lol,,this plane has been around sence the 1930's..and proubly one of the only plane left from the 1930s that is still used to this day for work!!,,lol pby was slow,,but it had great range and very tuff

the emily was a good plane,,but!!,,i think there was only 131 made i beleve,,mite be wrong on that,,,but that aint a very big run compared to the pby {over 4,000 made}which was made by 3 major ww2 powers,,and used from the 1939,.,,till now,,,hard to look over a plane that was used for so many things,,by so many countries<~~pby kills allmost 3 birds with one stone
ussr could sure use a pby would be there best bomber around,,lol
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Post by: FDutchmn on November 27, 2002, 11:04:28 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Mitsu
oh, FD...I can copy japanese combat records and photos to you via E-Mail. :)

oh yes please, give it to me! :)
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: FDutchmn on November 30, 2002, 09:23:19 AM: hmmm... no email yet... mitsu must be busy
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Post by: Mitsu on November 30, 2002, 09:48:04 AM: yes...seriously I'm busy recently. :(
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Post by: frank3 on November 30, 2002, 03:34:10 PM: how 'bout not calling Emily but Mitsu? lol :D since you have so much info of it.
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Post by: Mitsu on December 07, 2002, 07:09:45 PM: Bump.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Karnak on December 28, 2002, 12:46:24 AM: Bump for HTC's 1.12 consideration.
Title: Gun Ammunition...
Post by: Mitsu on December 28, 2002, 01:38:29 AM: I've researched about H8K2's defensive gun a bit, I update it.

All 20mm cannons on the H8K2 were Type 99 Mark II, were supplied by drum magazines. One drum magazine includes 45 20mm shells.

The H8K2 Emily mainly had the following defensive guns:
Front - 20mm cannon x1
Top - 20mm cannon x1
Side (Left) - 20mm cannon x1
Side (Right) - 20mm cannon x1
Tail - 20mm cannon x1

Front turret:
I have the drawing - but it is old 7.7mm turret's one.
it shows there were 7 drums.
But, my another Japanese H8K2 book claims that front 20mm turret was 225 rounds.
so it should be 45 x 5 drums = 225 rounds.

Top turret:
I have the drawing - top turret had 10 drum magazines.
so it should be 45 x 10 drums = 450 rounds.

Side turrets:
I have the drawing - but it is old 7.7mm turret's one.
it shows there were 7 drums in each.
no claims in my another book, but remember the front turret.
It seems 20mm drums were reduced to 5 from 7 when upgrading turret from 7.7mm MG.
so it's maybe 45 x 5 drums = 225 rounds in each turret.

Tail turret:
I have the drawing - tail turret had about 10 drum magazines.
I think it is the same as Top turret's one.
so it should be 45 x 10 drums = 450 rounds.

Researching is still continued, but I believe it's good information when modelling Emily. I can scan these drawings.

Thanks.
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Post by: Karnak on December 30, 2002, 12:49:53 AM: Thanks for the ammo info Mitsu.

Do you know anything about the bombsight, or the bombsight's location on the H8K2?
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Post by: Mitsu on December 30, 2002, 02:06:10 AM: Karnak, I'd scan it later.
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Post by: Karnak on December 31, 2002, 11:51:19 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Mitsu
Karnak, I'd scan it later.

Thanks Mitsu. I was wondering about how the bombsight was setup.
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Post by: Mitsu on January 12, 2003, 03:18:22 PM: I'm sorry for delay.
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Post by: Karnak on January 12, 2003, 05:50:15 PM: Thank you, Mitsu.

It isn't where I'd have guessed, but that works well enough.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: brady on January 13, 2003, 02:48:06 AM: That is good to hear that the Gun's were Type 99MK II, I always thought they were Type 99 MK I's, If this is so then are Most Late War Japanese Navy Aircraft Mounted defensive 20mm MK99 cannons realy MK II's? Like the Later Betty's and The Francis(PIYI) for example?
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Rasker on January 23, 2003, 03:08:37 AM: I recall reading that Emilys were used on night raids against Pearl Harbor and Oahu out of Marshall Islands area in 1943. I dont think these rose higher than nuisance level raids but they give a hint of the range of this aircraft and its potential if it had been given higher priority
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Post by: rogerdee on January 24, 2003, 12:27:03 PM: this would be a good addition for aces high.
do you know if it ewas ever used to ferrry cargo as well.it would make a good addition for suppling bases when you could sit and wait on the water for it to be captured then resup quickly
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: frank3 on January 24, 2003, 02:48:52 PM: I hear of the Emily and Catalina all around AH, it's about time HiTech works on em!
Title: Emily
Post by: llyr69 on January 24, 2003, 03:55:54 PM: punt
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: frank3 on January 25, 2003, 12:45:21 PM: you guys just have to tell me what "punt" means??!
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Post by: Karnak on October 05, 2003, 01:02:42 AM: Punt again.
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: Mitsu on November 20, 2004, 10:02:33 PM: Hmmmm HTC, how about this flying-boat for the first one? ;)
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Post by: Krusty on November 21, 2004, 01:19:12 AM: Bah, forget flying boats. We don't even have a decent water model yet. You're not going to get flying boats in.

Plus it was an anti-shipping plane. No need for it OR the Catalina OR any other maritime plane if we don't have any SHIPPING to be against. Against anything else it would be woefully underpowered underused and dogmeat for all the 44/45 late uber MA rides.

My $0.03
Title: H8K2 Emily Information
Post by: bunch on November 21, 2004, 07:55:01 AM: I've hear that opinion expressed before about Emily (probably 2 years ago in this) thread & I've heard it quite soundly refuted. Emily was the monster of combat seaplanes, like the B-29 was to the rest of the heavy buffs. Faster, tougher & more heavily armed....but really what heavy buffs (B-32 & B-29 excluded) arent fairly easy pickings for the late war monsters? IMO (if that is worth anything ), from the number it looks like Betty was maybe the best axis heavy....anyone remember how many hellcats it took to bring that one down in "The Fighting Lady"?