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Title: most over rated guitarist
Post by: Wlfgng on July 31, 2002, 12:35:06 PM: any nominees?

I'll start: Jimi Page
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Post by: midnight Target on July 31, 2002, 12:52:38 PM: Page is tough to beat in this category. He REALLY sucks live.

How about..... Elvis? ;)
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Post by: Sandman on July 31, 2002, 01:08:45 PM: George Thorogood
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Post by: Udie on July 31, 2002, 01:12:06 PM: Kurt Kobain or however it's spelled...
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Post by: Apache on July 31, 2002, 01:26:52 PM: I'm with wlfgng...Page.
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Post by: AKSWulfe on July 31, 2002, 01:26:53 PM: Cobain... but he is far from over-rated.
-SW
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Post by: Wlfgng on July 31, 2002, 01:27:56 PM: good one Sandman
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Post by: Wlfgng on July 31, 2002, 01:29:42 PM: ok.. how about Neil Young on Electric...
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Post by: Nifty on July 31, 2002, 02:13:47 PM: Page is the most overrated only because too many people think he should be on the same level as Clapton and Hendrix. However, in studio recordings, Page was a very proficient guitarist, not a GREAT one, and he wasn't a great live performer. There are numerous popular guitarists who didn't have the proficiency of Page, yet he's the only one I can think of that was billed far above his actual talent level.

George Harrison wasn't as talented in straight proficiency as Page, for example, but hardly anyone says that George was a "great" guitarist.
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Post by: Udie on July 31, 2002, 02:14:36 PM: Quote
Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Cobain... but he is far from over-rated.
-SW

nah, he wrote a couple of good songs (i know IMO :D) but as a guitarist he SUCKED! :) I mean that in the nicest way!

oh yeah another overrated guitar player would be Chuck Berry!!!!! Johny B. Goode my arse! That man couldn't even tune his guitar!!!!
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Post by: Wlfgng on July 31, 2002, 03:48:06 PM: Chuck Berry
Billy Squier
Kirk Hammett
The Edge

to name a few
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Post by: lord dolf vader on July 31, 2002, 04:18:38 PM: have always wondered why all gutarists seem to hate neil young.

but usualy have some of his albums.
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Post by: midnight Target on July 31, 2002, 04:21:38 PM: Mike Rutherford?

(and I love Genesis)
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Post by: Udie on July 31, 2002, 04:21:38 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Nifty
Page is the most overrated only because too many people think he should be on the same level as Clapton and Hendrix. However, in studio recordings, Page was a very proficient guitarist, not a GREAT one, and he wasn't a great live performer. There are numerous popular guitarists who didn't have the proficiency of Page, yet he's the only one I can think of that was billed far above his actual talent level.

George Harrison wasn't as talented in straight proficiency as Page, for example, but hardly anyone says that George was a "great" guitarist.

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. Kieth Richards :D
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Post by: Wlfgng on July 31, 2002, 04:26:13 PM: I usually agree but not this time.

keith is a different kind of guy for sure.. but he's an under-rated guitar player.
no flashy leads or anything but his chords, comping, and the way he writes two guitar parts to make one.. pretty awesome IMO.

btw he's one of Eric Johnson's big influences
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Post by: Hangtime on July 31, 2002, 08:42:01 PM: Liberace.

think about it.
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Post by: Morgoth on July 31, 2002, 09:35:30 PM: ::: busy scrubbing off after Hang's post :::

Yngwie Malmsteen
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Post by: Morgoth on July 31, 2002, 09:37:31 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Udie

The only thing I could say in response would be.........

. Kieth Richards :D

Oh come on ... anyone that can manage to hold onto a guitar and have it make noises that don't sound like a boiling cat while being as toejam-faced as he has been for 40 years has to be pretty damn good :D
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Post by: Boroda on August 01, 2002, 04:46:11 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Morgoth

Yngwie Malmsteen

Agreed. He should trade his guitar for balalaika ifhe wants to play even faster.

James Patrick Page is one of the greatest guitar players of all times. It's not about how he plays, but about what he plays.
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Post by: Masherbrum on August 01, 2002, 05:36:04 AM: Kirk Hammett or any of the Metallica studmuffins (How's rehab Kirk?)

"Heartbreaker" - Led Zepp. If you listen to the solo in the middle, it is an old tuning chord. He screws it up. I have heard that this was one of the worst bands to ever PERFORM LIVE. Drunk, Drunk. I would have gone just to see Bonham.

Kurt Cobain - sucked as a guitarist and is OVERRATED. He was a margainal songwriter. I laughed my bellybutton of when they TRIED to compare him to Lennon. Kurt, go write some songs for Hole, OH, that's right, YOU CAN'T!

Masher
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Post by: Morgoth on August 01, 2002, 07:14:55 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Masherbrum
"Heartbreaker" - Led Zepp. If you listen to the solo in the middle, it is an old tuning chord. He screws it up. I have heard that this was one of the worst bands to ever PERFORM LIVE. Drunk, Drunk. I would have gone just to see Bonham.

Masher

Oh yeah, Bonham was sober as a judge :p
It's amazing he didn't miss the drums and beat himself to death rather than OD like so many others ...
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Post by: Masherbrum on August 01, 2002, 07:34:18 AM: I know he was an alcoholic, but as a former drummer myself (14yrs). I would love to jam with either Keith Moon (best ever) or Bonzo.

Masher
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Post by: keyapaha on August 01, 2002, 08:05:48 AM: .
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Post by: Nifty on August 01, 2002, 08:32:37 AM: Bonzo didn't OD. He drowned in his own puke.

I dunno, most of the guys listed as over-rated aren't even considered great by most. ;) I've never heard Keith Richards be called a great guitarist. They always just make jokes about how when the world ends, 5 cockroaches and Keith will still be around. :D (Robin Williams on Broadway)
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Post by: Wlfgng on August 01, 2002, 09:11:06 AM: like we'd even know it if Keith died..
I mean he's a walking zombie already
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Post by: Makofan on August 01, 2002, 10:02:33 AM: I think Page is just miscast as a guitar solo/hero - to me his strength is in arrangements and textures, like in The Rain Song or Friends, the pushing of the sound envelope. I just love the interplay of some of his chords. Alex Lifeson is similar to me, a great guitarist who couldn't play a solo to save his life.

Most overrated guitarist to me? Kirk Hammet - the basis of that band is Hetfield's guitar playing, yet Hammet wins Guitarist oif the Year one year?
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Post by: Masherbrum on August 01, 2002, 10:06:09 AM: I'm glad someone else mentions The Rain Song. Next to In The Light, those are my fav. two songs.

Masher
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Post by: Wlfgng on August 01, 2002, 03:10:13 PM: Page was awesome with arrangements and off-tunings.
I love the rain song...
but then again, I love No Quarter

I agree Mako.. his strength was in the studio.
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Post by: Red Ant on August 01, 2002, 03:51:45 PM: Most overrated, ever? Eddie Van Halen.
closely followed by Ritchie Blackmore & Gary Moore.

Agree with Boroda re: Pagey - he's one of the finest guitarists ever, just not for what most people like to give him credit for.

Duane Allman. People worship him as a God of slide guitar, and seem to gloss over the fact that he was NEVER in tune

Al Di Meola.

Any 80s metal banana who played scales up & down while the thoroughly stoned kids in the audience went "Wow". They are the reason for the guitar's demise as a lead instrument in Rock.
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Post by: AKDejaVu on August 01, 2002, 04:00:54 PM: Angus Young (simply because I've heard someone refer to him as a guitarist)
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Post by: -tronski- on August 01, 2002, 04:06:16 PM: I'd go Eddie Van Halen too,

Cobain gained his fame based more on angst and his writing (and good doses of Heroin) than his guitar playing I thought.

Tronsky
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Post by: SirLoin on August 01, 2002, 04:10:14 PM: Easy..

Eric Clapton....
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Post by: Morgoth on August 01, 2002, 04:11:04 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Nifty
Bonzo didn't OD. He drowned in his own puke.

And why was he puking? You say tomato, I say tomato ...

And by the way ain't that a great epitaph? Here lies Bonzo, he chugged too much barf. Waste.
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Post by: Morgoth on August 01, 2002, 04:11:46 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SirLoin
Easy..

Eric Clapton....

You're kidding, right? :confused:
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Post by: Greese on August 01, 2002, 05:19:19 PM: Me.
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Post by: Wlfgng on August 01, 2002, 05:48:05 PM: notice how the rest of us kinda' refrained from that ...
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Post by: SageFIN on August 01, 2002, 08:53:53 PM: All those guitarists that proclaim that it doesn't matter if their technique is non-existant because it's about emotion.
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Post by: Red Ant on August 01, 2002, 09:08:09 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SirLoin
Easy..

Eric Clapton....

I used to think so also, for a long, long time. And then, as recently as last year, i got tickets to see him. Man, he is one AMAZING guitartist, and the scary part is that he just keeps getting better!! Yeah he's written some real cheeze over the years, but we're not talking Clapton the writer, we're talking playing. Man, can that guy play!

My favorite recorded Clapton would have to be the Derek & The Dominoes album, and the Blind Faith album.
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Post by: Wlfgng on August 02, 2002, 09:24:34 AM: Derek and the Dominoes.. awesome stuff

yeah, I saw him, Jeff Beck and Jimi Page together and Page wasn't even close to the other two. Hard to compare Beck and Clapton because they are sooo different but I love 'em both.

Clapton is deceptive. Beck is scarey.
I never knew you could do so much with a guitar before I saw Beck.
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Post by: midnight Target on August 02, 2002, 10:31:50 AM: The best guitar... ok maybe not the best, but my favorite crank-it-up solo is still Free Bird. My kids hate it when that song comes on the radio! :D
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Post by: midnight Target on August 02, 2002, 11:15:52 AM: Just thought of a really overrated guitarist..... Peter Frampton!!!!
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Post by: Red Ant on August 02, 2002, 02:25:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Wlfgng
Derek and the Dominoes.. awesome stuff

yeah, I saw him, Jeff Beck and Jimi Page together and Page wasn't even close to the other two. Hard to compare Beck and Clapton because they are sooo different but I love 'em both.

Clapton is deceptive. Beck is scarey.
I never knew you could do so much with a guitar before I saw Beck.

I also saw the 3 of them, and have to agree that Page was not in the same class. But ya gotta remember, this was at Page's likely lowest point in life as a musician, "rock star" & person. He was goin on 7 years as a heroin addict, his band was a bust, and he hadn't played guitar for 2 years. Now last year (or was it the year before) I saw Page with the Black Crowes at the Greek Theater, and man he was a totally different guitarist. He BURNED! I think I actually like their version of "Out On The Tiles" better than the original!

Now, Frampton. Yes, he's highly overrated from his so-called solo career, and his writing was any lighter he'd be Liberace, BUT:
Listen to the 1st 3 Humble Pie albums, and "Rockin The Fillmore", the live album from that period. He was just amazing!!! Dunno what happened - i guess he needed Steve "Da Midjit" Marriott to kick his arse every day to "play like a man" ;) Incidentally, the guy who replaced him in Humble Pie, Dave "Clem" Clemson, was a helluva player himself! He'd fall into the "Underrated" category ;)