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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: brady on August 05, 2002, 06:28:04 PM
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I have always felt this to be the case, but as of late I am beging to feal it is fact and not just some anti axis conspicery therioury.
Even if this were so what's the big deal you may say. Well The fact that I am being deprived of an abality to compeat effectivaly with Allied planes in the Jabo department as a result of this would be one area.
Take the Bf 110G-2, two 500kg bombs= aprox 2,400 pounds + four 50kg bombs=aprox 440 pounds for a total of aprox 2,840 pounds. Now that should be sufficent to kill a Hanger at an airfield, Howeaver it is not, it will not kill a hanger , after droping you nead to come around and strafe it down.
Since I play for rank, why would I take a Bf 110 when I could take a P 38, in one dive I can t/o a hanger by droping my two 1000pound bombs and firing 5 of my 10 rockets, for a total of 2,500 pounds of ordance.
The above is simply an example, I do not understand why HTC is robing the Axis bombs of the full weight, not only do axis planes for the most part have limited ordance options compared to their allied counterparts they are not even given the benifit of realistic bomb effectivennes for the load out's they do have.
I know HTC is not biased in the terms of Alied vs Axis, but this type of glaring contrdiction could diswade even the most objective of us.
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Your conversions are a bit off.
1,000kg = 2,204.6lbs
4 x 50kg = 440.92lbs
Despite that it does seem that it should kill a hanger, but...
How much of the weight is counted as explosives and how much is bomb casing? Those 50kg bombs might not be adding much in the way of explosives.
It all depends on how HTC is modeling it.
Then again, it could be just as you are guessing.
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Woop's:), ty Karnak that grade school math thing throws me some times:)
It should still be suficient to kill it. I do not beleave HTC models bombs that accturately that they take into consideration bombcasing thickness. I beleave we still have 50Kg bombs on the Zero's as apposed to the 60Kg bombs they should have, I beleave as far as they are conserned it is a 100 pound bomb instead of a 132 pound bomb.
Taken individualy this may not be a big deal howeaver the cumalative effects are obvious, as illustrated in the above example.
The same can be said for the Rusians, and their Il-2, should we actualy get a Soviet buff, this could be factor in it's effectiveness.
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Are you saying that hangar strength should be weaker so that other aircraft in the planeset are just as usefull?
I'm assuming you know it takes 3,000 lbs to drop a hangar.
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3000 per hanger
targets (http://www.hitechcreations.com/map.html#targets)
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By the way.. one thing which isn't obviously counted in, is that german bombs had much more explosive / weight of the bomb than US/British bombs.
There is quite significant difference.
german 500kg bomb is *alot* more powerful than 1000lb US/brit bomb.
(not just because of extra 100lb's in 500kg bomb, but of the bigger explosive content)
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Wotan, the 3000lb thing is wrong. The real damage needed to kill a hangar is 2500.
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Ahhh I see Fishu sorta like M-geschoss? Well at least they are consistent. :(
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2 50kg's kill an ammo bunker... 1x 250lb does the same..
I think the weights are modelled correct... but i may be wrong +)
SKurj
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It, despit what that chart says only takes 2,500 pounds to kill any hanger on an airfield, I have been doing it for years now with 2,500 pounds of bombs.
two 100 pound bombs is suffivent to kill an ammo bunker.
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I think hangars should be killed with lower weights
like 500 to 1000pnds
just add more of them
like 2 or 3 vh's per field needing about 1000 pnds per hangar
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Originally posted by brady
It, despit what that chart says only takes 2,500 pounds to kill any hanger on an airfield, I have been doing it for years now with 2,500 pounds of bombs.
two 100 pound bombs is suffivent to kill an ammo bunker.
guys dont forget accuracy also plays a part in damage.
it may be 2500 to kill a hanger if u hit right on it ded center,
but most time u probably dont hit ded center, so it takes more
to kill it.
whels
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Whels, I rarely miss, not braging but I am slopier with the P 38 because I know it's tolerances. When I have used the Bf 110G-2 I always place my bombs for best effect and more often than not acheave good hits( whithen the hanger)....I always have to finish the hanger with guns in the 110.
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I think we are missing the point.....
Has anyone out there ever seen a 1000lb bomb go off?
I have seen one go off and I doubt very seriously a "run of the mill" WW2 hangar like that is represented here in AH could stand up to THAT! Was a LONG way away and it still was DAMN IMPRESSIVE!
IMHO 2,500 worth is WAY too high to take out a FH. Maybe a larger BH. FH's should be about 1,500.
Jester
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Has anyone out there ever seen a 1000lb bomb go off?
Not exactly, but I've seen a show on TV about the lancaster (very nice, now I know what the 4000lb bomb is for) and one part showed the effects of a 1000 lancaster flight bombing a german city with each having I think 16 or 18 x 1000lb bombs.. it's like, WHOA!
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Originally posted by Fishu
There is quite significant difference.
german 500kg bomb is *alot* more powerful than 1000lb US/brit bomb.
(not just because of extra 100lb's in 500kg bomb, but of the bigger explosive content)
MC 1000lb bomb CWR of 40-50%
German 500kg SC500 GP bomb CWR 44%
Explosive content improves with size, some of the British high capacity bombs had charge to weight ratios around the 80% mark.
note: MC bombs were phased in mid war, I don't have dates handy but they were used extensively. The original allied GP 1000lber had a CWR of 30-35%.
Would be interesting to see HTC model the differences, early war planes getting early war bombs and a 4000lb cookie doing more than 4x the damage of a 1000lb bomb.
BTW, I was 2 miles away when a 1000kg unexploded bomb was made safe. It broke windows and shook some of my neighbours sheds down lol.
Gatso
I do have dates for MC 500lb and 1000lb service entry, 500lb MC - end of 1941. 1000lb MC - spring 1943.
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HiTech said he was going to give metric bombs the pound equilvency in a future patch/update.
So a 500kg bomb would actualy weigh 1,200pounds(aprox.) and have a bigger efect than a 1000 pound bomb.
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Can you guys multiply?
500kg
x 2.2
1/10 of 500=50 thus,
2/10 of 500=100
500x2=1000
1000lbs
+100lbs
=1,100lbs not,
500x2=1000lbs
1/10 of 1000=100
2/10 of 1000=200
1000lbs
+200lbs
=1,200lbs