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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: LePaul on August 06, 2002, 11:04:32 AM
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Bloom, you left a nice link to that HardCop website. Reading a few of the reviews, one of the reviewers mentioned this in a GeForce 4 Ti 4600 review....
[Video Card, Stock Speed Max, Stock Memory mhz, Stable Overclock Core Memory Core Memory ]
Asus GF4 Ti 4600 Ultra Deluxe
300Mhz 650Mhz 320Mhz 740Mhz
Gainward CardExpert Ultra/750 XP GF4 Ti 4600
300MHz 650MHz 325MHz 730MHz
JoyTech Bloody Monster II Ti4600
300MHz 650MHz 320MHz 730MHz
MSI GF4Ti4600-VTD (MS-8872)
300MHz 650MHz 320MHz 720MHz
VisionTek Xtasy GF4 Ti 4600
300MHz 650MHz 325MHz 700MHz
ABIT Siluro GF4 Ti 4400
275MHz 550MHz 300MHz 665MHz
VisionTek Xtasy GF4 Ti 4400
275MHz 550MHz 320MHz 675MHz
Gainward GF4 Ti4200
250MHz 444MHz 320MHz 560MHz
MSI GF4 Ti 4200
250Mhz 500Mhz 305Mhz 600Mhz
NVIDIA Reference GF4 Ti 4200
250MHz 500MHz 290MHz 585MHz
Haven't tried this, then again I do not have an overclocker program either.
[Reference URL: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzI1LDU= ]
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y would u want to...
SKurj
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To get higher framerates, silly rabbit!
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+) what minimum 75fps isn't enough for BD5?
SKurj
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More power!
:D
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LePaul, you can do the "coolbits" registry hack, posted on this BBS and many other places, to allow you to bump up core and memory speeds. There are also free programs available that let you do the same (and more). Rivatuner is one such program.
I think I might try it myself, my:
XP 1900+ on Asus A7N266-C
512 MB Kingston PC2100 DDR
MSI GeForce 4 Ti 4200 64 MB card (stock speeds)
DX 8.1b
28.90 Drivers
scored 9460 on 3dmark 2001 SE @ 1024x768 defaults.
I haven't had time for much tweaking yet, but upping the CPU to 1636 MHz (bios says XP 1947+ ;) ) gave me a 9550.
Since this card has 3.6 ns memory I can overclock it to 550 MHz (500 MHz stock) along with a small core boost without any problems at all.
My goal is to break 10000.
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You arent far behind me, with all the FSAA stuff off, Im scoring 9950.
I might try it to see if I break that 10k barrier too. I havent overclocked my CPU to do it tho (Athlon XP 2000+ here, not sure how far to nudge it up, and if the MSI board will let me) ;)
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You've got a 4600 card though right?
You could bump the CPU up just a bit and get a 10000 score.
Just go into the bios and change your FSB from 133 Mhz to 134 or 135 MHz (which should be safe) and you'll probably get it.
If you go too high the system will fail to boot, or will boot but be unstable. If it fails to boot, you can just clear the cmos and start over.
At 135 MHz FSB your CPU will run at 1690 MHz or so (stock is 1667 MHz). That should be enough to break 10000 for you.
Just using a different driver version could do it as well.
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Thanks, you read my mind....I didnt know how far to push that barrier...I did 140mhz and I boot as a AMD Athlon XP 2100 :-) Notching it back a tad now
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Ok Bloom, here's what we did....
CPU overclocked to 136mhz FSB =1700mhz
Video card (VisionTek GeForce 4 4600) to 317.3 core, 702mhz ram
Anything over 318 and I lock up in 3DMark's first test. Oh well, pretty damn cool...and temperatures are showing 41F...1 degree more than before. I have the AMD CPU fan in there plus 2 80mms..one pull air in from the front, one in the back, over the CPU, yanking air out. Good ventilation
Now the results...
RESULTS
3DMark Score 10360 <-- Kick ass!
Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 155.0 fps
Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 52.0 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 197.2 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 106.7 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 131.3 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 59.5 fps
Game 4 - Nature 58.2 fps
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 1167.7 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 2466.3 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light) 52.4 MTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 13.3 MTriangles/s
Environment Bump Mapping 155.2 fps
DOT3 Bump Mapping 174.2 fps
Vertex Shader 105.8 fps
Pixel Shader 132.2 fps
Advanced Pixel Shader 103.6 fps
Point Sprites 33.0 MSprites/s
SYSTEM INFO
System Info Version 2.2
Installation ID 0x00000000
OEM ID
CPU INFO
CENTRAL PROCESSING UNITS
Manufacturer AMD
Family AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+
Internal Clock 1.71 GHz
Internal Clock Maximum 3 GHz
External Clock 136 MHz
Socket Designation Socket-A
Type
Upgrade Socket A
Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE
Version AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+
CPUID 0x00000662
Thanks for the tips, Bloom...how did your adventure in overclocking go?
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Was it stable at that speed? With good ram (main limiting factor oftentimes) it may have been.
I've switched to the brand new Detonator 30.82 drivers on Nvidia's site.
I think they actually perform a little worse than the 28.90s overall though.
After switching I was down from a 9550 to 9488. The score seems to vary everytime you run it by around 50 points though... :confused: .
Overclocking the ram on my card to 540 MHz gave me a 9626. I was thinking of trying for more, but there's no reason to compromise the stablility of my card and system. To get to 10000 I'd have to do some serious tweaking with just a 64 MB Ti 4200 card and I will always sacrifice some very minor speed improvements for stablity anyday.
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Stupid question - how are you getting that text printout? I can get that in a window, but can't copy and paste from it.
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Well, with the memory at 562 Mhz I got a 9668. Since I have that MSI card I'm sure I could up the core speed and get some more, but I don't know if I wan't to push it much harder.
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Hehe :D
3DMARK2001 PROJECT FILE
PROJECT
Name My Benchmark
Description
Registration Name
Registration Key
3DMark Version 300
DISPLAY
Platform NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
CPU Optimization D3D Pure Hardware T&L
Width 1024
Height 768
Depth 32 bit
Z-Buffering 24 bit
Texture Format Compressed
Buffering Double
Refresh Rate 60 Hz
FSAA Mode None
OPTIONS
Show Title Screens Yes
Continuous Benchmark No
Benchmark Run Count 1
Demo Sounds Enabled Yes
Continuous Demo No
Game Sound Effects Enabled Yes
Game Music Enabled Yes
Game Detail Level Low
RESULTS
3DMark Score 9854
Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 155.3 fps
Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 52.3 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 172.6 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 102.3 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 136.6 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 62.6 fps
Game 4 - Nature 43.4 fps
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 963.3 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 2113.9 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light) 46.0 MTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 11.5 MTriangles/s
Environment Bump Mapping 141.0 fps
DOT3 Bump Mapping 131.6 fps
Vertex Shader 76.6 fps
Pixel Shader 108.3 fps
Advanced Pixel Shader 83.8 fps
Point Sprites 28.4 MSprites/s
SYSTEM INFO
System Info Version 2.2
Installation ID 0x00000000
OEM ID
CPU INFO
CENTRAL PROCESSING UNITS
Manufacturer AMD
Family AMD Athlon(TM) XP 1900+
Internal Clock 1.59 GHz
Internal Clock Maximum 1.59 GHz
External Clock 136 MHz
Socket Designation SOCKET A
Type Central
Upgrade
Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE
Version Model 6, Stepping 2
CPUID 0x00000662
Upping the GPU core to 275 MHz helped a lot. Maybe I could break 10000 afterall (but I don't know if I wan't to risk it.)
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You didn't really think I'd quit did you? :D (I can squeze just a tad more out ... maybe) This is with the CPU FSB at 138 MHz (1660 MHz) with GPU core at 286 MHz and Memory at 584 MHz.
3DMARK2001 PROJECT FILE
PROJECT
Name My Benchmark
Description
Registration Name
Registration Key
3DMark Version 300
DISPLAY
Platform NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
CPU Optimization D3D Pure Hardware T&L
Width 1024
Height 768
Depth 32 bit
Z-Buffering 24 bit
Texture Format Compressed
Buffering Double
Refresh Rate 60 Hz
FSAA Mode None
OPTIONS
Show Title Screens Yes
Continuous Benchmark No
Benchmark Run Count 1
Demo Sounds Enabled Yes
Continuous Demo No
Game Sound Effects Enabled Yes
Game Music Enabled Yes
Game Detail Level Low
RESULTS
3DMark Score 10210
Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 160.9 fps
Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 53.8 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 180.5 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 106.5 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 140.3 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 64.0 fps
Game 4 - Nature 45.4 fps
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 1010.2 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 2216.3 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light) 47.9 MTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 12.1 MTriangles/s
Environment Bump Mapping 146.3 fps
DOT3 Bump Mapping 138.1 fps
Vertex Shader 79.1 fps
Pixel Shader 113.3 fps
Advanced Pixel Shader 87.8 fps
Point Sprites 29.8 MSprites/s
SYSTEM INFO
System Info Version 2.2
Installation ID 0x00000000
OEM ID
CPU INFO
CENTRAL PROCESSING UNITS
Manufacturer AMD
Family AMD Athlon(TM) XP 1900+
Internal Clock 1.62 GHz
Internal Clock Maximum 1.62 GHz
External Clock 138 MHz
Socket Designation SOCKET A
Type Central
Upgrade
Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE
Version Model 6, Stepping 2
CPUID 0x00000662
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LOL
Nicely done!
It was pretty stable, the only thing really holding my FPS back seems to be my monitor now. 60hz is all she can do. Abunabi was over last night, shaking his head while I was tweaking this and that and posting to you. The RivaTuner is a annoying little program, once you learn not to hit "apply" as it undoes everything you do.
1700mhz seems pretty stable, Im sure I could go higher but why? :p
Jedi Knight and Soldier of Fortune just look outstanding with 4x FSAA going and with every texture/mode cranked to full.
Looks like you managed to match my system and card via tweaking! I haven't messed with the video card drivers for one reason: big download via dialup. That and there are so many variants of these damn things, I dont know which to go with. I have what Visiontek has on their website, yet see nVidia has some up, etc etc.
Aces High is still 75fps everywhere, in heavy smoke and ack, 69fps.
Bloom, if you use yahoo messenger, gimme a shout, nick is BD5Pilot.
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Are you running Direct X 8.1b? It seems to me that your system should be capable of more (though that is an excellent score).
LOL, half of my time last night was waiting for the new 30.82 drivers to download (11 megs or so). DX 8.1b was a 9 meg download.
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Ok, I pushed mine to it's absolute limit. All background non-essential services turned off (intellipoint, tiny personal firewall, etc) and core at 300 MHz and ram at 600 MHz.
10585 is a good score I think. :D
3DMARK2001 PROJECT FILE
PROJECT
Name My Benchmark
Description
Registration Name
Registration Key
3DMark Version 300
DISPLAY
Platform NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
CPU Optimization D3D Pure Hardware T&L
Width 1024
Height 768
Depth 32 bit
Z-Buffering 24 bit
Texture Format Compressed
Buffering Double
Refresh Rate 60 Hz
FSAA Mode None
OPTIONS
Show Title Screens No
Continuous Benchmark No
Benchmark Run Count 1
Demo Sounds Enabled Yes
Continuous Demo No
Game Sound Effects Enabled Yes
Game Music Enabled Yes
Game Detail Level Low
RESULTS
3DMark Score 10585
Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 165.0 fps
Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 53.8 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 184.2 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 109.7 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 140.5 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 63.9 fps
Game 4 - Nature 57.1 fps
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 1025.1 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 2290.1 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light) 49.6 MTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 12.6 MTriangles/s
Environment Bump Mapping 150.8 fps
DOT3 Bump Mapping 158.4 fps
Vertex Shader 82.1 fps
Pixel Shader 122.5 fps
Advanced Pixel Shader 90.6 fps
Point Sprites 25.4 MSprites/s
SYSTEM INFO
System Info Version 2.2
Installation ID 0x00000000
OEM ID
CPU INFO
CENTRAL PROCESSING UNITS
Manufacturer AMD
Family AMD Athlon(TM) XP 1900+
Internal Clock 1.62 GHz
Internal Clock Maximum 1.62 GHz
External Clock 138 MHz
Socket Designation SOCKET A
Type Central
Upgrade
Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE
Version Model 6, Stepping 2
CPUID 0x00000662
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Bloom, any framerate improvement from going to 8.1b?
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138mhz on the FSB? I might try that
Im downloading 8.1b now, we'll see what that does.
As for the drivers...straight from nVidia?
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Well Bloom, you outdid me by a few points
I notched my FSB to 138 like you, so Im now at 1725mhz (Athlon XP 2100+ according to bios!). Upgraded to DX 8.1B and the same new drivers.
3DMark score of 10,495
Got me by 90 :D
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I'm wondering if I should tell you how to gain 200 points... I kind of like my $618 computer beating yours. ;)
Lets just say that "best image quality", which is what I was running to get the 10210 and later 10298 (not posted here) really limits your "nature" framerate. You might try looking under the GeForce 4 tab > additional settings > Direct 3D settings. Change image quality to "highest performance." That gave me 300 more points. (I turned it back to "best image" after the test, it makes textures look low detail.)
Animal, it seemed to help GTA 3 going to DX 8.1b on my machine. Other than that, I don't know how much it changed things. AH ran at 85 fps with 2x AA on before I did any tweaking at all (monitor refresh at 1280x1024), so I would have only noticed it there if it had reduced my FPS.
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Just because I know you are going to beat me now, I figured I'd push the card to it's absolute limits. The highest core/memory combination I could hit without graphical problems present is: 303.8 MHz core/594 MHz memory (next step up at that core frequency was 621 MHz, which showed problems).
The score came up just a little bit more:
3DMARK2001 PROJECT FILE
PROJECT
Name My Benchmark
Description
Registration Name
Registration Key
3DMark Version 300
DISPLAY
Platform NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
CPU Optimization D3D Pure Hardware T&L
Width 1024
Height 768
Depth 32 bit
Z-Buffering 24 bit
Texture Format Compressed
Buffering Double
Refresh Rate 60 Hz
FSAA Mode None
OPTIONS
Show Title Screens No
Continuous Benchmark No
Benchmark Run Count 1
Demo Sounds Enabled Yes
Continuous Demo No
Game Sound Effects Enabled Yes
Game Music Enabled Yes
Game Detail Level Low
RESULTS
3DMark Score 10617
Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 165.6 fps
Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 53.9 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 185.5 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 110.3 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 140.2 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 63.8 fps
Game 4 - Nature 57.2 fps
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 1030.3 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 2310.2 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light) 49.9 MTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 12.7 MTriangles/s
Environment Bump Mapping 151.5 fps
DOT3 Bump Mapping 159.3 fps
Vertex Shader 82.6 fps
Pixel Shader 123.3 fps
Advanced Pixel Shader 91.1 fps
Point Sprites 25.7 MSprites/s
SYSTEM INFO
System Info Version 2.2
Installation ID 0x00000000
OEM ID
CPU INFO
CENTRAL PROCESSING UNITS
Manufacturer AMD
Family AMD Athlon(TM) XP 1900+
Internal Clock 1.62 GHz
Internal Clock Maximum 1.62 GHz
External Clock 138 MHz
Socket Designation SOCKET A
Type Central
Upgrade
Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE
Version Model 6, Stepping 2
CPUID 0x00000662
I'll enjoy my temporary victory. :D
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LOL
You know, with this little competition of ours, its just a matter of time before one of us has a smoldering box where some really cool PC parts used to live :-)
I hadnt thought about clocking any higher, or bringing the detail down. You might recall that's what I loved about the Voodoo 5...sure I could get a few more FPS at high performance but 2x fsaa is gorgeous. Now, Im running 4x and solid 75 fps everywhere in Aces High. Roll rates are stunning and I can chase La7s thru smokey fields without cussing what a damn slide show it is to do so!
I squeaked a 10,512 last night notching the detail back to performance. I also wonder if a monitor capable of more than 60hz will gain me anything in Aces.
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I know what you mean, I just ran the card at those settings just to see what it could do. I'm actually using it at 2x AA @ 1280x1024 32 bit with all image enhancing settings at max.
I'm also only having Rivatuner run the card at 275 Core and 567 Memory at startup.
Even with all the details at max and AA on I get 85 fps nearly all the time, so there's no reason to shorten the lifetime of the card.
I just wanted to see what the card could do.
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Same here, I'd never overclocked anything before...so I wanted to see what I could do to push through 10k on 3dMark
Im wondering if my 75fps ceiling on Aces High is...monitor?
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Yes, it's going to be your monitor. If you know it can handle a higher refresh rate you can force it to do so. I can tell you how to do it if you'd like.
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Its a KDS monitor, about 4 years old.
At this point, pleased it fires up every night :D