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Post by: brady on August 08, 2002, 02:21:35 AM

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Post by: plumbob on August 08, 2002, 03:01:43 AM

FlaK 36 i believe, fixed poisition usable as artillery, AAA, and AT gun.  Some converted more for use as AT guns ha range finders on them,  some of the first of there kind.

Fired and 88mm round in AAA, AP, HE, and AP/40 flavors.  Made Famous by Erwin Rommel (sp?).  I believe Greece used them as costal guns till the 80's (with MANY improvements).

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Post by: Shiva on August 08, 2002, 11:33:11 AM

That is the 8.8cm FlaK 18 anti-aircraft gun; it lacks the thicker barrel root of either the FlaK 36 or FlaK 37. From the helmet shape, it appears to be crewed by Italian personnel.

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Post by: plumbob on August 08, 2002, 01:03:05 PM

I thought the FlaK 18 (or maby it was 17) was the pure AT version.  It was basicly a huge version of the PaK 36

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Post by: Toad on August 08, 2002, 02:10:24 PM

It's a guy carrying a big-bore cannon shell.... Looks like his name is "Ed".

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Post by: HFMudd on August 08, 2002, 05:15:06 PM

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I thought the FlaK 18 (or maby it was 17) was the pure AT version. It was basicly a huge version of the PaK 36

Maybe a typo, but you have it backwards.  "FlaK" is the AA version and "PaK" is the AT version.  The FlaK worked fine against armour given some sort of sighting mechanism.  At the battle at Halfaya Pass, were the 88 probably first got its fierce rep, the Gemans used FlaK which were sometimes fired over open sights.  The Pak 88's sat lower and had sights more appropriate for engaging a ground target.

BTW, it appears to me to be a one piece barrel in the above image.  I believe that would make it a FlaK 18.  However, since the barrels of the 18, 36 and 37 were all interchangable it could be an 18 barrel on a different carriage.

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Post by: brady on August 08, 2002, 07:25:02 PM

Gentailmen, look closer at the barel.

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Post by: GRUNHERZ on August 08, 2002, 08:45:56 PM

Some kind of Italian 90mm AA.

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Post by: palef on August 08, 2002, 11:36:00 PM

Buncha Wops trying to shoot something.

No doubt they are pointed at 90 degrees to their intended target, and "Ed" is loading AP instead of Proximity fused AAA.

I guess that they think they are on the Russian front shelling the Kremlin, when their actual mission is Anti-Air in Eritrea.

palef

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Post by: brady on August 09, 2002, 12:56:46 AM

It is,DA 90/53.

    One of the Best of it's type in all of WW 2 evey bit as good as the German 88, In fact the Germans grabed as many of them as they could when Italy surendered, they even took over the factory and made them for themself's, they were used in the Defenseof the Rich and in the same was as the German 88 was, bot in the AA and AT roles.

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Post by: HFMudd on August 09, 2002, 01:02:50 PM

Hmmm, DA 90/53...  You sure about that?  The DA 90/53 had a pair of smaller tubes (Luftvarholer) above the barrel.  This really looks to have only one in the picture.  Try as I might, the only image of a DA 90/53 not mounted in a tank destroyer that I can find is of a model...
(http://www.rjproducts.com/Catalogs/CriEl_Models/pic/CriEl_Models_CRIR019.jpg)

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Post by: brady on August 09, 2002, 08:04:02 PM

If I am correct( my primary PC is in the shop and I have lost the link as a result), my sources state that their were 3 primary varents of this gun, one for naval use, one for AA/AT and one for mounting on trucks or SP's. They also claim that that tube was "one" pice, if you look at the pic you can see that the barel is smothly tapered to the end, not like a 88 witch was "stepted" made up of diferent pices.