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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: sidthekid on August 10, 2002, 04:11:33 PM
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Hi. I've Written a middle east peace plan, This has been discussed on Talk back live and has been sent to King Abdallah of Jordan and Many others that are looking for peace including Jimmy Crater , Jesse Jackson Jr. , John Mc Cain among others. Just would like avg. Man's opinion on it. You can read a full version at Aol's Web site "Turmoil in the middle east". There you will see my e-mail and profile. But would like everyone's ideas and questions on this.
Saturday, July 27, 2002
I believe moving Israel is the only way to insure peace ever in the Middle East. Jewish people from concentration camps after WW2 where moved to Palestine by the French and British, which in turn Jewish citizens fought Palestinians for independence, which evicted Arab people from their lands and homes. What I am proposing is to bring peace to middle east and Israel for all time. I believe that Israel and Arab's have harden their hearts so much that unless Israel moves there will be no peace in the middle east. Moving Palestinians would leave Israel still surrounded by unfriendly countries. My peace plan includes moving Israel to a new location and building a new Israel country in Australia. Reason for Australia is 2 fold. 1 Australia has the most vastly desolated and UN populated area with closest climate to Israel 2nd as Australia is democrat country this will insure Israelites with a secure home land, and save Israel government Billions of dollars per year in security. In my plan I purpose to make holy land a free city including all of Jerusalem. All existing people no matter religion or country shall vacate and move out of free zone. The reason for making Jerusalem a free city. Is to insure that all those who wish to visit holy land shall be safe and without restrictions. This plan I think would benefit Arab league Palestinians Israelis and Australia. and would probably help a lot of US and other countries by having their companies build a new Israeli country in Australia........
Once this is Signed by Israel and all parties henceforth.
All Palestinians shall lay weapons down and turn into Arab league. All weapons including explosives.
1. During transition Arab nations and UN peacekeepers shall send troops to protect holy sites and Israel during transition.
2. Arab league to buy land from Australia and turn over to Israel for their new home land.
3. US 25% GB 10% Arab league 40% and 25% UN nations to pay cost to Build Israel 2 major cities in Australia. And move entire Jewish State to Australia.
4. Move Israel to 200 square miles of NW Australia.
5. Palestinian's will pay Israelis for companies in Israel that exist now. These purchases shall be in form of loans, from Palestine leaders backed by Arab league nations.
6. All Persons living in Jerusalem will be relocated (with no cost them) just out side free zones. And be giving first choice and living area
7. Jerusalem (AKA free city) to become free city enclosing all Holy sites. Everyone in world welcome and no one will be denied entry to holy land. Pilgrim visa is all that is needed. Holy sites will now belong to entire world. And be a safe harbor for all those who visit. Free City (AKA like the Vatican). To be Patrolled by UN peace keeping force made up of mostly Arab league Countries.
8. If it becomes unsafe for Israelis or others to visit holy land. Then and only then entire holy land would revert back to Israel control back by UN. Troops and Arab league nations.
9. If Palestinians cannot control safety of Jerusalem they shall forfeit all lands and only occupy Gaza strip. Rest of Palestine would be unoccupied lands guard by UN and Arab league nations to secure peace in holy land sites.
10. King Abdalha of Jordan and only King Abdalha shall appoint leader of new state of Palestine. This leader will be for 2 year period. At which time Palestinians shall Elect a leader by democrat vote.
11. violation of peace by Palestine or Arab nations during the estimated 2 year transfer shall again invoke stipulation 9
12. Violation by Israel during 2 year transition shall constitute payment from Palestine for companies be paid in full.
13. In 10 years entire Palestine shall revert to Palestinians people If they have met requirements which follow, No violence against tourist in or around Palestine, Freely held elections, and a self sustaining country contributing to Arab league and world.
14. United Nations To always reserve Right to intervene in protection of holy land. for all nations to enjoy
15. Free city to be run officially with Israel 30% vote Arab league 20% United nations 50 vote In how city is run and dealing with any controversy that may arise.
16. Arab league shall be responsible for safety of all embassies in Free City. All nations that request permission from UN can build an embassy in free city.
17. Arab league will be responsible for migration into Israel towns by refuges. It will be up to Arab league with UN observer's to relocate and decide who shall run business and who shall live where once Israel is moved out.
18. Palestine Will be protected from any invasion or incursion by any nation Arabic or other wise By full might of united Nations. An attack on Palestine will be considered declaration of war on the UNITED NATIONS.
19. Arab league to supply police force for first 2 years of Palestine to enable Arab league nations to train a legitimate police force with strict laws. Following teachings of Islam.
P.S. Call sign is Tallboy in AH
Sandman ty forgot size was redone to 200 sq, miles after discussion with growth pedictions by Professor of Isreali studies. His suggestion was"If we go to this much trouble to bring a people halfway around world lets make sure their growth is not a issue in the future" Stanley Blum PHD.
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I'll bite...
I'm wondering what the Australians will think of all of this..
Maybe they'll create the ALO and send suicide bombers against the Israeli invasion.
100 square miles? That's it? Hell... aren't there parts of Texas we can let 'em have? Hell... the U.S. is the country with the big hard on for supporting Israel. Where better than our own country?
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Originally posted by sidthekid
I believe moving Israel is the only way to insure peace ever in the Middle East.
Stopped reading right here and went into :rolleyes:-mode.
Great plan...I hope you have mailed it to someone.
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ROFL
...wait is he serious?
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Stopped reading right here and went into :rolleyes:-mode.
Great plan...I hope you have mailed it to someone.
I scrolled down to see whether Hortlund, Boroda,or Downing et al had replied to get a quick synopis before investing in the time to read it.....thanks for saving me the time Horlund.
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I'll bite...
I'm wondering what the Australians will think of all of this..
Maybe they'll create the ALO and send suicide bombers against the Israeli invasion.
100 square miles? That's it? Hell... aren't there parts of Texas we can let 'em have? Hell... the U.S. is the country with the big hard on for supporting Israel. Where better than our own country?
Sandman Alittle more reason behind Australia.
1. It was british that chose Palastine for Refuges from Nazi's death Camps. Other places on short list were in Africa and South America.
2. Australia is mostly unpopulated and area of land I chose is 200 Square miles with nearest village or town 450 miles away. Matter of fact only 1 road goes thru land if you call dirt pot holes a road. This also would increase Isreali Country by at least 3 times its size. Which is one of the major problems in Isreal now. They have to spread out into new settlements which is causeing some radical Palastians to increase attacks on them.
3. Australia has a great Jewish population. That will help with transition.
4.Great Britian chose Palastine, For one major reason. They ( great britian) were going to turn over the Suez Canal to Egypt. And they wanted a fast responce if egypt closed the suez canal. The Isreali ( at time were called Jewish comando's)Comando's
were trained By the British in ww2. And in fact when Egypt Closed Canal to the western world First troops in were Isrealis.
5. Like I said moving palastians will not solve middle east problems. As Isreali will still be surrounded by countries that hate.
6. Plan calls for others to move isrealis and build their cities,at no cost to them at all. this would Save Isrealis estimated 36.7 MILLION per WEEK in defense alone. Plus Isrealis would have furtile land to grow crops, and minerals to fabricate products. Right now Isreal imports all minerals for fabrication. And America and Great Britian Would save billions per yyear in Aid we give Isreal for their survive.
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What? You don't like Texas?
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On the troll scale, I give it a 3. He did go to all the trouble to write all of that out.
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Nah. leave the Israli's where they are.
..send all the palestinians to sibera, and dump the resta the arabs into mongolia. maybe they can send a luge team to the olympics next year.
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Was hoping for suggestions and thoughts. This is not to flame or start a racist subject. And if You go to aol's "turmoil in the middle east" you'll see this is on the level. Just want input from anyone and everyone.......
please think before posting a reply...... I'm a simple man with 5 children. Have lost @ brothers in Viet nam "US airforce" and have sen how death can take a family to depthsMost don't want to se or hear about. Enough killing already in middle East, It will take entire world to secure peace. For if we don't within 10 yars there will be a nuclear war in middle East Isrealis have nukes and ARABIC countries not to far off. And then holy land than Jesus was born to save and died there will be lost for ever, Let aloe the millions who will suffer.
Sorry rambling on. Any idea or better plans you may think of would be helpful.
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Its not a war. Its a blood feud. It started many generations before you were born. It will last long after you have gone.
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Your whole post is fairey tale man.
Right when you proposed to pick up israel and move it to Australia.
Are you really so naive to believe that is possible, or am I too cynical?
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The Torah, and therefor the Bible says that God gave the land of Israel, not Ayers Rock, (or oolaroo if you prefer) to the Israelites.
Moses delivered the Jews out of Egypt by parting the Red Sea, not the Indian Ocean.
This is the only flaw to your plan, however because these beliefs are held with religious fervor your plan is doomed to failure… sorry
"This land is mine,
God gave this land to me
This plain and ancient land to me
And when the morning sun
Rises over hill and tree
Then I'll see a land where children can run free
So take my hand
And walk this land with me
The plain and ancient land with me"
---song from the movie exodus
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Do you seriously expect that Australians would support this?
We have a saying here that would sum it all up in 3 little words.
NO BLOODY WAY!
I have no problem with the Israeli people. I actually take their side in their little dispute despite believing them to be wrong about the Gaza strip. But theres no way in hell, id support moving the state of Israel to my country!.
We have our own immigration problems in case you havent seen the news. That big space up north you think is going to waste was bought and paid for in Australian lives. We dont just go giving it away because the Arabs and Israel cant get along!
The majority of Australians have a hard enough time giving land back to the native Aboriginals let alone, giving it away to a foriegn Power!
Nice try but bloody ludicrous!
And the U.N. and Australia arent exactly the best of mates at this present time either. We would listen to them about as much as my wife listens to me.
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Originally posted by SC-Sp00k
Do you seriously expect that Australians would support this?
We have a saying here that would sum it all up in 3 little words.
NO BLOODY WAY!
I have no problem with the Israeli people. I actually take their side in their little dispute despite believing them to be wrong about the Gaza strip. But theres no way in hell, id support moving the state of Israel to my country!.
We have our own immigration problems in case you havent seen the news. That big space up north you think is going to waste was bought and paid for in Australian lives. We dont just go giving it away because the Arabs and Israel cant get along!
The majority of Australians have a hard enough time giving land back to the native Aboriginals let alone, giving it away to a foriegn Power!
Nice try but bloody ludicrous!
And the U.N. and Australia arent exactly the best of mates at this present time either. We would listen to them about as much as my wife listens to me.
I reckon Oz and the UN get along great, ETimor proved that. It's just that the odd immigration lawyer gets us in the toejam every now and then.
As for the notion about moving Isreal to Aus
Uh-huh
No thanks, I see what the IDF does to the owners of what they inhabit now...don't need Isreali tanks in Sydney, we got enough trouble in Bankstown now.
I suggest Arizona or Texas is a better solution, that way the US aid doesn't have to travel so far.
Tronsky
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Originally posted by -tronski-
I reckon Oz and the UN get along great, ETimor proved that. It's just that the odd immigration lawyer gets us in the toejam every now and then.
This isnt the same UN thats currently accusing us of Human Rights violations both for our Immigration Policy and the way we support the natives is it ? ;)
UN Peace Keeping Roles often find Australian Troops under the command of the Regional Officer of another Country. Pakistani, Dutch etc. East Timor was a pleasant change from that rubbish and one hopefully we will continue whilst working with the UN.
But the UN itself can be a shambles. Its leadership constantly bickering and its senior staff to busy covering their own backsides politically to expediate and utilise their resources by the most effective means. Our Government is constantly in some debate with the UN over its use of our UNCIVPOL troops. The rules change as quickly as the weather.
Its not all bad. But its not all good either.
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Heh, this has to be a troll. You might as well be proposing moving Israel to Mars. It isn't going to happen. Beyond that, it would be a huge, gigantic mess that is worse than the current situation if it did.
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Well, to think that Moving Israeli's is impossible, Might be Why some thought that Polland,East Germany, Ukraine and others would be Never be free from USSR. Anything is possible if We all work together. Australia would benefit from Israelis being on same continent. Like manufacturing products Buying minerals and Australian products. Let alone think of who would be mostly building the first 2 cities in New location. This would mean jobs money tourism and a boost to economy of Australia.
One thing international lawyers looking into is. Do aboriginal people own this territory? If so purchase would benefit them as well. think of the tourism that Australia would get from Jewish people from around the world now coming to their continent. Were not purposing Israelis become Australians we are suggesting Australia selling a portion of their continent to bring peace in middle east. If a world war breaks out in middle east all will surfer in one way or another.
The choice of Israelis moving to your content, Would be more likely then having them move to American soil. In USA It is impossible to find a land area that is mostly un populated. That could be populated without relocating existing Americans. in Australia no one would have to be relocated from lands that are presently un populated. This land would give Israelis a beach and a port plus farm land that they need to grow as a country.
And for you to think Israelis would attack Australia is as likely as Mike Tyson becoming the pope. Israelis don't want to fight.
Imagine no more armored busses to take their children to school, and now it wouldn't be unsafe just to wait for a bus, or going to a restaurant wouldn't be risking death, Night clubs would be a place to relax not wonder when it may exploded. Now with all these improvements why would they want to fight Australia. They don't want to fight Palestinians or anyone for that matter they just want to survive in world. Why shouldn't the countries that can Save a Nation help if it cost them nothing and they gain respect of world and gain in monetary benefits too?
in case your wondering part of moving Israelis would be mostly by military Transports. What I did was I found how many tons of belongings Israelis have then looked at Tons of equipment we sent to Saudi Arabia. to find cost out. And USA and other countries Train their pilots and men every day in transporting equipment. Now they would transport Israelis to their new land while getting flight time and training another Win win situation.
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Oh, Im feeling so silly that I didnt take you serious the first time. I can see that you have put alot of thought into this one.
I suppose it would only be fair if I presented my own peace plan then.
My Peace plan for the middle east
a short essay by Steve Hortlund
The Israelis should build a fake city like they did in the movie Blazing Saddles. Then they should put up a bunch of signs like: Keep out Palestinians! etc. Then they would just have to sit back and watch all the Palestinians run in to the fake town and blow themselves up. And the sooner the Pals blow themselves up, the sooner the whole region will be peaceful.
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Oh I get it... the Palestinians are the problem. :rolleyes:
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And for you to think Israelis would attack Australia is as likely as Mike Tyson becoming the pope. Israelis don't want to fight.
The Israelis don't want to fight, but they do want to enlarge their borders. Exactly the same would be true in Australia.
In an alternative universe, where Israel had been established in Australia in the 40s, Palestine would now be a major tourist destination for Europeans, and Israelis and Australians would be killing each other. Wonder which side the US would supply with weapons in that scenario?
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Just because the land used to be theirs (does land really belong to anybody?) in some book or whatever doesnt mean that they will forever own it. They must defend it and maintain it and make it into something that will last. I guess Even god or ala or whoever has a reapo man. What about California and Mexico (many Mexicans deep inside still believe California belong to them) or the US and the American Indians? Its like saying you have jurristiction on your exwife cas you used to be her primary stick. Whatever, its plain and simple territory stalking and they need a restraining order. Live in peace or die by the sword you wield!
Sandman, I used to live in Texas as a kid :) Too many cockroaches there and they are big as hell there.
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BTW: Most countries (including the middle east countries) are largely wide open unused land with cities and populated ares here and there. There is so much land in the middle east countries. Why dont the sympathizers be a little generous and give the Palistinians an area instead of trying to tear up what little area that is Isreal's territory now? Give me a break, thats why the middle east will get bombed to stone age eventually, thats why it makes sense after all.
BTW: I used to love to blow up the cockroaches with firecrackers, 1 1/2 to 2 inch roaches. BOOM!
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I suggest Arizona or Texas is a better solution, that way the US aid doesn't have to travel so far.
lol Nice one Tronsky. :D
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Heheheheheh
Some of the best humor is done with a straight face. Sidthekid is trolling you suckers heheheh.
6. All Persons living in Jerusalem will be relocated (with no cost them) just out side free zones. And be giving first choice and living area
Oh no cost to them... swell what a deal!. Um.. Who pays for it?
My peace plan includes moving Israel to a new location and building a new Israel country in Australia
Australia?.... what happened you get a bad Fosters or something
Australia is democrat country this will insure Israelites with a secure home land, and save Israel government Billions of dollars per year in security.
LOL!! might save the U.S government billions
18. Palestine Will be protected from any invasion or incursion by any nation Arabic or other wise By full might of united Nations. An attack on Palestine will be considered declaration of war on the UNITED NATIONS.
Ohhhhh even putting the UN in all caps makes them seem real important! What happens when the US simply vetoes this silly idea?
Once this is Signed by Israel and all parties henceforth.
All Palestinians shall lay weapons down and turn into Arab league. All weapons including explosives
Muhulahahahah... I see trails.. I see trails.. and pretty colors
Ok his rant was pretty good I laughed. But then further down on the thread...
Was hoping for suggestions and thoughts. This is not to flame or start a racist subject. And if You go to aol's "turmoil in the middle east" you'll see this is on the level. Just want input from anyone and everyone.......
Yeah this is on a level all right... Easy you give him a 3.. this boy up to a 6 at least :)
Hortland's plan is the best.. Just nuke the whole damn place.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Oh I get it... the Palestinians are the problem. :rolleyes:
nooOOOOO...why would the Palestinians be the problem?
What a crazy idea-...whatever gave you that idea?
Just because they send in suicide bombers to blow up Israeli women and children? Or sneak in gunmen into normal Israeli citizens homes in the middle of the night to murder as many as possible before they are shot?
Just because the sided with Saddam Hussein in the Kuweit war, or because they were dancing in the streets on 9-11...or in the words of a palestinan woman on 9-11 "I think it is very good, now the Americans know how we feel."?
Just because they have started numerous wars against Israel with the object of "throwing all jews into the sea"?
Just because the palestinian "government" have about as much respect for basic human rights as Saddam Hussein, or because the leader of the palestinian people is a terrorist?
WHY would that make the PALESTINIANS the problem?
Everything is clearly the fault of Israel, the only democracy in the region.
What have they done now again?
They exist
...the nerve
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France already has a problem owing liberties to the US. Now quite possibly, Isreal will have a credit problem with the US in the future.
LOL
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Mein Kampf
We all agree it's only a matter of time before the Mideast erupts into all-out war and they not only kill each other off but destroy the oilfields and religious monuments too. We owe it to future generations to preserve these ancient momuments and the only way to do this is to use biological weapons against the entire region. Easy- fast- effective- PLUS it leaves the infrastructure intact.
Of course with all the rotting corpses in the desert heat someone will have to dispose of them, so we declare Mexico a terrorist State and ship off the Mexicans to the Mideast to bury the dead Arabs and run the oil fields. Basically we're doing the Mexicans a favor by relocating them. Hell, we'll even pay them for the oil.
Then we annex Canada and declare all French speaking Canadians terrorists and ship them off to the now-empty Mexican prisons. Any other nations complain? Declare them terrorists States and nuke em- unless they have something we want, then we gas em and take their stuff.
Now this is where Mein Kampf gets controversial. We move all monuments of historical significance to Arizona for protection. The pyramids, Taj Mahal, the Wailing Wall, the Vatican, the Eifel Tower, Big Ben...We move all of them to Arizona and open a theme park called "Seven Wonders Of The World" theme park. We set up a roller coaster that goes through the Great Pyramid of Giza, maybe a parachute-drop ride on the Eifel Tower, maybe change the Vatican into a fun house... Maybe put a mister atop the Wailing Wall... And maybe set up the Sphinx so its mouth opens and a roller coaster car goes in and you feel like you're being swallowed...
Of course like all my ideas you guys will shoot it full of holes and call me names but I don't care. This is a plan that has everything America needs- Cheap gas, no more fighting in the Mideast, no more Mexicans jumping the border, no more French Canadians and, as a really cool added bonus, another theme park.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
WHY would that make the PALESTINIANS the problem?
Everything is clearly the fault of Israel, the only democracy in the region.
What have they done now again?
They exist
...the nerve
I think it a gross oversimplification to place all of the blame on Palestine. Israel helped make this bed. Let 'em sleep in it.
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From today's Haaretz:
The Hebron settlers were acting on the basis of a well-planned agenda, Israeli security officials told Ha'aretz. First, settler leaders "mark out" targets to be seized. Next, young Jewish activists use violence to remove Palestinian homeowners from their properties. Jewish youths then break into the Palestinian homes; though they might originally be removed by the IDF and policemen on the scene, the young people return to the homes, remove property owned by Palestinians and prepare them to be taken over by settlers.
One Israeli security source contends that "an ongoing procedure of evicting Palestinians" is afoot in Hebron. Its aim is to "enlarge the Jewish territory," the source says.
Jewish children and teenagers, the source says, are sent to initiate such "evictions," adding that the youngsters "start by cutting water pipes, tossing around goods or overturning market stalls; in the end, the Arab families flee."
During the past year, the source claims, a few Jewish families took up residence in Palestinian stores located in a market that abuts the settler enclave. The market was closed after the 1994 Cave of the Patriarchs massacre perpetrated by Baruch Goldstein.
From B'Tselem:
On Saturday, June 8, 2002, settlers from Karme Zur were killed. A day or two later, the settlers started building a road south of the settlement. It’s four kilometers long. The road starts near Halhul and goes to Beit Umar. About 400 dunum of agricultural land owned by more than forty families from Halhul, including my own, were left between the settlement and the new road. As a result, the farmers can’t get to their lands and work them. The settlers chase the farmers, shoot in the air, threaten their lives, confiscate their ID cards and damage the crop. At first, the army saw what was happening and didn’t intervene Then, the soldiers, in cooperation with the settlers, started preventing farmers from reaching their lands. The soldiers claimed it was a military zone. They designated an area spanning 300 meters south east of the settlement fence. No one is allowed to go near the area or enter it.
On Friday, June 14, 2002, at 7:00 AM, I went with my brother, Ahmad, aged 47, and other farmers from Halhul to the lands to work. The settlement’s guards came and tried to drive us away. The army intervened, and we were allowed to work. At 11:00 AM, four people who said they were the settlement’s security men came to the land and started shooting in the air and harassing us. They had a knife and said they would stab us if we didn’t leave. They cut the ropes we had tied on the grapevines. My brother, Ahmad, was injured in the face and was taken to hospital for treatment. The settlers also pushed a woman named ‘Aziza Ahmad ‘Aqel, aged 55, off the donkey she was riding. Her leg was injured and she was taken to hospital. The army gave her and my brother first aid, near the army base, before they were taken to hospital.
That day, the army called the police. When the police officers arrived, they told us to file a complaint with the Kiryat Arba police the next day. We did so. Four days later, Israeli policemen arrived at the place to check it. We still haven’t got an answer. We try to get to our lands almost every day, because we can’t abandon the orchards, especially these days, when the grapevines require daily treatment. But, as soon as we get there, the settlers, the army, or both drive us away while threatening to kill or arrest us.
These are everyday occurances. Since 1967, 40% of the area of the West Bank has been confiscated by the Israeli government from it's Arab owners. More is being taken every day.
Obviously, it's all the Palestinians fault.
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Hey Nashwan, guess what I learned today.
One suicide bomber (from this spring I think it was) was Israeli arab. And right now there are 3 Israeli arabs in custody who were planning suicide attacks.
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I think, though I'm not sure, that the Israeli Arab suicide bomber was an Israeli through naturalization, one of his parents maaried an Israeli Arab. (I thought I mentioned that in the last thread)
Are you sure there are 3 in custody accused of planning suicide attacks? I know there are a few accused of various levels of complicity, such as a taxi driver who knowingly accepted a suicide bomber as a passenger.
However, it's not just Israeli Arabs who have aided the Palestinian terrorists. An Israeli Christian, an immigrant from Russia, is also awaiting trial for helping plan suicide bombings, and two members of the IDF, who are also settlers, are in custody awaiting trial for selling arms and ammunition to Palestinian terrorists.
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Guys your to focused on putting balme instead of trying to fix what is wrong. Now to poster who said move palastines to a arab country. Its a thought BUT. Jordan is mostly Palastinians but if King Abdallah would let refugees in, It wouuld just esculate war to jordan as radicals would attack Isreal from Jordan. And still would leave Isreal surround by nations that still want to wipe out Isrealis.
I get over 2000 e-mails a day on this plan,when it was published then posted on CNN and Aol. 10% were like some of you saying kill all Jews or JKill all arabs.
This plan in full version list cost and plans for movement. But it is 23 pages long. I posted a brief version to get Ideas. There could be ! person that has turn around point to make Isrealis accept plan. Arab league Likes Idea, And Australia said interesting Idea.
My biggest problem is making it to hard for Isrealis to ignore plan.
I didn't come up with making holy land a free zone like Vactican on my own. And I really think Any idea to enhance plan should be looked at.
NOW FOR TOSE THAT THINK THIS IS A TROLL, You better look in mirror if you think this is a troll. You must be writting to many trolling post yourself. when you condemn someone with out investigating only makes you ASS_U_Me...to much....
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There's always the Arab peace plane:
1) kill all Israelis, give their land to 'Palestine'
2) Peace reigns, because Arabs never fight among themselves. :rolleyes:
ra
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Hey Sid,
All you have to do to guarantee the sucess of your plan is to figure out how to amend the Torah and / or the Koran. (Maybe the Bible too)
Both sides believe that the Holy Land is thiers. This is why the Dome of the Rock is built upon the (I think) remains of the Temple of David, of which the western wall, or wailing wall is a part.
The dirt in Israel / Palestine is sacred to both faiths, to the point where logic and reason break down. Exchanging sacred ground for land in any other location is against the religous beliefs of both parties.
Solving a fundamental difference of faith with logic is impossible, as logic and faith are two thought patterns that exclude each other. A 'leap of faith' is by definition illogical, without reason.
You'd have more success sweeping back the tide. At least you would be making progress twice a day.
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Don't forget about Canada....they call all that space up there too!
And they can keep em all in line with those hockey sticks!! :eek:
Cobra
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GAH , Why do i keep AGREEING with Hortland?.....
oh , because hes right? :)
The Only way your going to get Israelies/Palistinians to stop fighting = killing every single one of them , and it aint gonna happen.
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Maybe provide a reason to live instead of a reason to die?
Nah, nevermind. It wouldn't work.
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Yes agree on holy land that is why we are purposing that entire holy land become a free zone. Which means that anyone and everyone is welcome to visit it at anytime with no passport or any goverment to interfer with visitation. Entire holy land will be vacant except for hotels and Embassies, Protected by UN and Arab league troops. It would be a little like how Vacticain in Rome is Italy has no say on how Vactican is run.
6. All Persons living in Jerusalem will be relocated (with no cost them) just out side free zones. And be giving first choice and living area
7. Jerusalem (AKA free city) to become free city enclosing all Holy sites. Everyone in world welcome and no one will be denied entry to holy land. Pilgrim visa is all that is needed. Holy sites will now belong to entire world. And be a safe harbor for all those who visit. Free City (AKA like the Vatican). To be Patrolled by UN peace keeping force made up of mostly Arab league Countries.
8. If it becomes unsafe for Israelis or others to visit holy land. Then and only then entire holy land would revert back to Israel control back by UN. Troops and Arab league nations.
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now for as why not canada is because Weather change to a very cold climate could be harmful according to Doctors Isrealis could lose upto 10% to flu and other complacations...
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Since we are living in the future now, why cant HT get involved and create a seperate arena so that the Arabs pilots and Israeli pilots can duke it out. Nobody gets hurt and HT gets more customers. Everybody has a great time, hey watduyuknow, a new way of life. And war!
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by sidthekid
Guys your to focused on putting balme instead of trying to fix what is wrong.
That part of the country lives in the past and its memory dictates their futures. They will never forget. That is their culture.
And Australia said interesting Idea.
Sorry mate :) No offence but thats our polite way of saying "Get Stuffed!" hehe.
As I understand it, a growing number of Israelis including many members of their elite fighting forces are calling for Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, stating their is no reason to be there and that the Gaza is the money sucker depriving their country of better times.
In the Gaza itself, live a relatively minute number of Israeli hardliners who refuse to re-locate and their actions are supported by the Israeli head of state.
If you want a realistic chance of Peace for Israel and Palistine. Convince the Israeli leadership to abandon Gaza and its hardliner element. An easy task? No.
But you have a better chance of pushing that through than getting Australians to accept a Foriegn State within its borders. Unfortunately for your plan, well intentioned as it may be. Thats the facts. It will never happen.
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Well, here's an idea for you SidtheKid;
If I was in Israel I would tell the Hamas and whoever bombs us next we will start to destroy Islamic Holy sites.
1. Where Mohammed was born.
2. Where Mohammed is buried.
3. Medina where he started his crusade.
4. Mecca's Raj
5. Others
Once they understand a bomb for a bomb, they will be less eager to carry on their unholy war.
Then any Palestinian that wants to leave will be welcomed to settle in Syndey.
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Originally posted by SC-Sp00k
Sorry mate :) No offence but thats our polite way of saying "Get Stuffed!" hehe.
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Skyrats/files/Steve_and_Croc.jpg)
Crikey!
I would've used a short sharper expression mate
..and to think all this over a troll..
Tronsky
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Originally posted by sidthekid
Yes agree on holy land that is why we are purposing that entire holy land become a free zone. Which means that anyone and everyone is welcome to visit it at anytime with no passport or any goverment to interfer with visitation. Entire holy land will be vacant except for hotels and Embassies, Protected by UN and Arab league troops. It would be a little like how Vacticain in Rome is Italy has no say on how Vactican is run.
6. All Persons living in Jerusalem will be relocated (with no cost them) just out side free zones. And be giving first choice and living area
7. Jerusalem (AKA free city) to become free city enclosing all Holy sites. Everyone in world welcome and no one will be denied entry to holy land. Pilgrim visa is all that is needed. Holy sites will now belong to entire world. And be a safe harbor for all those who visit. Free City (AKA like the Vatican). To be Patrolled by UN peace keeping force made up of mostly Arab league Countries.
8. If it becomes unsafe for Israelis or others to visit holy land. Then and only then entire holy land would revert back to Israel control back by UN. Troops and Arab league nations.
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now for as why not canada is because Weather change to a very cold climate could be harmful according to Doctors Isrealis could lose upto 10% to flu and other complacations...
*SLAP* *SLAP* *SLAP*
Stop trolling you moron. Argh, this is so rediculous on so many levels and yet you keep on trying. Mail your toejam to whoever you think may care but leave us alone.
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>Jerusalem (AKA free city) to become free city enclosing all Holy
>sites
I think that is so naive to think that... There are only two areas on Earth that are free zones if you dont mind me using the term. That would be the north pole and south pole. Can you imagine a place where Arabs and Israelis can walk in peace somewhere, anywhere near the middle east?
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Originally posted by senna
>Jerusalem (AKA free city) to become free city enclosing all Holy
>sites
I think that is so naive to think that... There are only two areas on Earth that are free zones if you dont mind me using the term. That would be the north pole and south pole. Can you imagine a place where Arabs and Israelis can walk in peace somewhere, anywhere near the middle east?
There is a free zone available in Wendover, Utah.;)
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Is this the kind of life you want for our Koala's ?
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I wonder if Jesse Jackson fathered another Illegitimate child over there. They will never grasp the concept of peace, freaking rock chuckers.
Masher
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Stop trolling you moron. Argh, this is so rediculous on so many levels and yet you keep on trying. Mail your toejam to whoever you think may care but leave us alone.
How gracious that you permit him to use your Internet for e-mailing! Why don't you just delete his post and lock him out for this forum, Hortlund? Oh, right - this is not your board!
The kid's plan sounds strange but it is exactly what thousands of reasonable israelis and palestinians are already doing - leaving with their families for other countries (including Australia).
Lot of people are sick of fighting the war they cannot stop and are not allowed to win.
miko
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*sigh*