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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Karnak on August 13, 2002, 02:15:25 AM
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This is the worst balance I have ever seen in the MA. I took this at 12:14AM Pacific Standard Time.
This is stupid.
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look at the base count... reset is fairly imminent, many rooks logged off due to this reason, plus the time (being late nite, USA, east and central, and still late-prime, west coast). i notice lately a lot of knights on around this time, must be california boys.
i'd normally be rooks in this situation, but lately i've noticed a severe lack of intelligent flying on rook's part, strategical flying that is. i'm taking a leap and assuming that many rooks just prefer to furball and could care less about bases. i'm usually that way, but i do like to at least fly effectively rather than just be a lemming to the closest furball.
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And what do the Knits do with those numbers?
They use Kamikaze tactics.
I was one of the Rook defenders at A20 when a wave of 10-15 P-47s came in and simply Kamikazed the VH and FHs. They didn't even try to survive. None of the 5 or so Rook defenders went down in the attack. That kind of crap is about as low as it gets.
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You have some sort of Japanese signature and you complain about kamikaze tactics? :D
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must be california boys.
Yup
For the 10-15 P47s they probley wanted to kill the FH cus the way we were doing things wasnt working, and you had 20 for a VERY long time I understand from others on knights.
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So, west coast Americans all joined the Knit Coalition now?
What really IS the matter when it comes to US time zones anyway? People flying in that time zone move in herds? The herd now all suddenly moved to Knits or something?
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Me I'm a aggravtive jerk, but seeing respectful and calm pilots go nuts in frustration from the attack of the Hoarde makes you think a lot about what the MA has come to.
Remember, the most effective form of competition, is destroying competiton itself with monopolization. Maybe that's the silent "pact" going on inside the MA, eh?
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Knights have always suicided. You can count on it in fact. It's very effective and there's almost no penalty for it.
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I can give a rat's bellybutton about numbers.
Karaya2
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early eastern time zone is usually
60 bish.....30 knights.....30 rooks
rooks an bish usually combine to attack knights.
thats when most bish prepare to win there resets.
flame on dweebs :p
SlowHand
4WING=441 Silver Fox=
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Originally posted by Voss
Knights have always suicided. You can count on it in fact. It's very effective and there's almost no penalty for it.
Thats funny. I always thought that of the Bish. Especially that Typhoon suicide squad.
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Hello,
You say it is because a reset is coming, only thing was it was like that from 11 pm eastern on.
The rooks were in the favored side of mindnao and karnak is right about the tatics used.
We (rooks) tried for hours to get 21 back, but after several hours we were getting rolled on both sides
While we were defending 20 from 21 the knights made a brilliant over the water attack and grabbed 19 in a matter of a couple of minutes. After that it was all over, the port and the whole seaboard fell quickly.
Last night was the first night that I witnessed a heavy inbalance, while the rooks are use to being outnumbered, it is reaching the point that it is unplayable.
I know of several rook players that are leaving to join the bishes, something about being the gangbanger instead of the gangbangee.
What is the solution here? All rooks should just join the knights or bishes. then it will be a land grab in MA between the two remaining countries.
:p :p :p
JB66
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I was one of the Rook defenders at A20 when a wave of 10-15 P-47s came in and simply Kamikazed the VH and FHs. They didn't even try to survive. None of the 5 or so Rook defenders went down in the attack. That kind of crap is about as low as it gets.
*snicker*
And this is the kind of play that lasz2 wants to preserve with his fanatical insistence that level bombers not be able to affect fighter operations in any way.
If I ever needed proof that the transfinite supply of aircraft at fields and the ability of pilots to take off again without consequence immediately after being killed distorted gameplay, there it is.
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Some people seem to work a lot onto their doctorate about "Aces High's Main Arena Politics and Sociological Interactions".
I prefer to shoot down stuff.
(Btw you can quote me into your work)
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non productive thread
If your country is outnumbered consider it job security!!!
if the attacking pilots Kamikaze consider it easy scores!!
IF you always feel outnumbered change countries....Move on...
do we have to sit here everyday and read the same old whiney posts on how one country sucks more than another because "whoswhats" country pilots are the only pilots that scratch their
nu#'s or whatever....
You may fly for country x in a few months or less, and what you will find out is that basically all countries are more alike than you realize.. I have been watching this same cranky post "thread" for years now and it is just as stale now as it was several years ago..
Just like i tell the whiney guys at work!! Just fricken let go"
T0J0
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as bugs bunny once put so elequently....
YAAAAAAAA SHUDDAAAAAAAAAP!
this stuff happens to every country not because of a countries behaviour but because its full of peopl who dont give a crap about surviving or winning a map.
My personal opinion is that its all due to the hordes of top of the line fighters in MA.
you cannot have well executed missions when at 12k as you approach a base you meet 4 la7s 3 niks and several spitfires all trying to HO you at the earliest oppertunity.In the end people just grab height and dive through these fools and dump eggs, usually getting killed in the process.
MA behaviour will never change.CT is the nearest you can get to an arena where people dont generally suicide attack everything.Its a more relaxed atmosphere in there which usuually translates into good fights. Apart form where the match up of planes becomes imballanced then you'll see that same suicidal behaviour.
its the planes we fly that make it so repetative in MA and it encourages a quick fix attitude where cooperation isnt really needed.
make the captures require a higher level of cooperation or even have it non scoring if you die and it would soon come to an end or at least reduce the incidence of it.
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Originally posted by Karnak
And what do the Knits do with those numbers?
They use Kamikaze tactics.
I was one of the Rook defenders at A20 when a wave of 10-15 P-47s came in and simply Kamikazed the VH and FHs. They didn't even try to survive. None of the 5 or so Rook defenders went down in the attack. That kind of crap is about as low as it gets.
Weird! And we all (I hope) know how easy it is to kill FH or BH with 1 P47 and not to get killed.
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Perk'em all and watch the kamikazi DORKS at least slow'd a bit. :D
Doing so on CV's is almost understandable considering the crazy ack defense...... kamikazee on a VH is just stupid and gamey. And btw... Rooks are outnumbered a heck of allot.
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"Thats funny. I always thought that of the Bish. Especially that Typhoon suicide squad.
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Apache
The Blue Knights"
yep... that's pretty much the way I see it too.
lazs
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I give it a 3. Maybe a 3.1
Wasn't very passionate, the subject matter is so old not even mold can live on it, and only the most pavlovian bait biters jumpped in.
Good for the chuckle value, but not much else.
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We (Rooks) had some really good moments last night, despite being outnumbered from early on. We fought CV-15 about as well as it could be fought. We sank the Knit fleet twice. At least three times the Knits launched major raids on the CV-15. Each was butchered without loss to us. There never were more than two of us airborne, but our tripleA gunners were absolutely brilliant, killing escorting fighters at remarkable distances so that our two fighters (a Wildcat and Seafire) could murder the Ju 88s and Ki-67s. Two suicide P-38s where intercepted and killed before they could drop. Few torpedos were dropped, and those that were, missed by a huge distance. Wave after wave came in, with the same result. Eventually, the Knits gave up, having suffered what I estimate as 40-50 losses. We lost no aircraft, suffered no hits to our ships. Anything the fighters couldn’t reach in time was dispatched by our outstanding gunners, usually at ranges greater than 4k.
The capper for us came later. As CV-15 headed for 21 to assist there, I jumped to the CV tower to grab an FM-2. Yikes! Just 5,000 yards away was the Knit fleet on a parallel course, unmanned!! I called for gunners, who came instantly. Within 3 minutes, Knit fleet is on the bottom. This was followed by the killing of 20 to 30 PTs that spawned and respawned, accomplishing nothing but getting dead. Someone must have discovered that their fleet was getting clobbered, and PTs started popping up like worms after a heavy rain (this only reinforced my opinion that PTs are essentially useless).
To all those people who manned CV-15 fighters and guns throughout the evening and fought so brilliantly, a hearty and grateful WELL DONE is in order. It was a privilege to fight alongside you.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Puck
I give it a 3. Maybe a 3.1
Wasn't very passionate, the subject matter is so old not even mold can live on it, and only the most pavlovian bait biters jumpped in.
Good for the chuckle value, but not much else.
Agreed. The whine by Voss was pretty good, about ONLY knits being suicidal..that earned at least a 5.0 for originality and good fabrication.
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the Rooks lost with ownership of the west side of mindano :eek:
that must be a 1st ... or the numbers are so far off that we got steamrolled last night .
I have noticed that the numbers have been out of balance late night pac time for the past several weeks . kinda takes the Fun outta the game dont ya say ?
Its kinda hard to put up an offensive when out numbered so badly . its all base hopping trying to defend against the hoards.
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Hello, I'm Goth and I'm a rook.....almost sounds like an alcoholics anonymous meeting here. Anyway, I like being a rook for the most part. I like not having the numbers, makes me proud when we do win a reset (have we ever done that?) with our inferior numbers. I like the fact that it takes hours for the knights to take one base, sending horde after horde of mindless drones. I like the fact that I can shoot down bishops with impunity.
In all seriousness, I don't much enjoy it when the people flock to the rooks. I get upset when I have to fight 10 people chasing that one lone slow low .205. I have to agree in some aspects of this thread though. Sometimes it feels like the knights and bishop are not even fighting each other. Makes me feel good to know that they fear us enough to gang bang us from both sides. That's the only rationalization I can come to, cause let's face it, knights win as many resets as rooks, so they can only be hitting us out of fear. :eek:
The game balances itself. You will always have strat dweebs and furball potatos. I'm in the middle of being a dweebish potato I guess when it comes to gameplay, I like both aspects. Anyway, I've prolly said a lot of nothing here, so I better end this. :p
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Here we go again:rolleyes:
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Someone farted and left a bad smell....
>>> This thread stinks <<<
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Anyone else notice that the MA has been more balanced than usual lately.. I have. No one posts about it tho.
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Originally posted by Shane
look at the base count... reset is fairly imminent, many rooks logged off due to this reason, plus the time (being late nite, USA, east and central, and still late-prime, west coast). i notice lately a lot of knights on around this time, must be california boys.
i'd normally be rooks in this situation, but lately i've noticed a severe lack of intelligent flying on rook's part, strategical flying that is. i'm taking a leap and assuming that many rooks just prefer to furball and could care less about bases. i'm usually that way, but i do like to at least fly effectively rather than just be a lemming to the closest furball.
Some of us logged off because it was 1 AM eastern time and we have jobs to go to in a few hours.
However, I tend to agree that there were too few Rooks actually working to hold or capture fields last night. Those who did, did their best. However, the numbers were lopsided early on. That only exacerbated the situation. Generally speaking, when Rooks have parity in numbers, they usually beat up the Bish and Knits. But, when they have 20% less than the Bishops, and 50% less than the Knights, things will go down hill rapidly. Same goes for either country. Frankly, I don't usually mind. However, it is frustrating to watch 3 or 4 aircraft take a field unopposed 'cause there aren't enough people to cover everything.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
Generally speaking, when Rooks have parity in numbers, they usually beat up the Bish and Knits.
Widewing
LOL!! got facts and data to back that claim up pal? ;) Or is it simply your opinion?
Doh! The "flag" went up after reading your post ;)
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Just as long as there have been number whines, there have been people with a smart all-knowing answer to every possible problem. There always has been people who fly on the largest country and then condemn everyone else who gets banged.
There has always been morons who can't realize switching teams (from smaller to bigger) is not a solution to the problem, it only makes things worse. Just because they were stupid enough to do that themselves in order to get easy kills..
The numbers on top of this thread are not the worst seen on MA, not even close. It seems MA could be renamed as DA (Dweeb Arena) judging from the dweeby attitudes the players have there. Nothing else matters except getting the beloved spitty or LA7 and choose the largest country to get an easy carefree game. Better yet, why not attack empty fields, fighting ack with a few friends.. hey thats fun innit?
And btw Ripsnort, from what I've seen that claim about rooks is dead on.
Saddam out!!!!
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I can't wait for the mission arena:)
All the stuff you have posted will only ruin your score, hopefully, in the new arena.
MA flying isn't supossed to be realistic, it's to be fun. So don't look for any type of flying that you might expect in a more realistic enviromnent.
I am hopeful that the Mission arena will supply an enviromnent where smart flying will be rewarded. I just hope there are enough people that find this type of flying a challenge. I hope there are enough people who can exercise self control to put the mission first instead of their "glory". I hope there are enough people that can spend the time to produce the envisioned concept.
The MA is where spits fight P-51's and LA7's etc. as it should be. A place to get a fight right now. Just rename the MA the Furball arena. Just think, all the land grabbers will move on to the Mission Arena as that arena will more then likely make land grabbing a central part of it objectives.
Soon HTC will have addressed all wants in arena activities:)
He heee what more can ya ask for? Oops, shouldn't have asked that heheeeeee:)
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Originally posted by Hussein
And btw Ripsnort, from what I've seen that claim about rooks is dead on.
Saddam out!!!!
Sorry Saddam, but I fly for all 3 countries (remember, we have two accounts) and each country has its turn on the pedestal, and each has its turn in the bucket. Depends on what time you log in, who is logged in at the same time, and who is offensive or defensive.
Basically, all countries are clones of one another...the winner is the side with the numbers.
End of story. :)
PS: Grow some testicles and post in your online name. ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
LOL!! got facts and data to back that claim up pal? ;) Or is it simply your opinion?
We all know numbers are meaningless Rip, but here you go:
- The Rooks have 14697 kills and have been killed 13493 times against the Bishops.
- The Rooks have 16128 kills and have been killed 14496 times against the Knights.
Seeing as how I can't remember the last time the rooks had numbers, I would say we hold our own pretty well.
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I'll tell ya right now. If I had been online at that time, numbers for Knights would have been one more.
Our squad flies Knights. We spent a tour and a half for Rooks earlier in the year and well, it was pretty much the same over there. Personally, I don't care which country we fly for. However, I stick where the squad is. Squad is Knight, so I'm Knight. Don't care what the numbers are. If it ain't fun, I go to the CT. If that ain't fun, I log off.
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Originally posted by Goth
We all know numbers are meaningless Rip, but here you go:
- The Rooks have 14697 kills and have been killed 13493 times against the Bishops.
- The Rooks have 16128 kills and have been killed 14496 times against the Knights.
Seeing as how I can't remember the last time the rooks had numbers, I would say we hold our own pretty well. [/B]
So how many of those were the bug where the guy got 307 kills for killing a formation of lancs?
How many from the same Bish spawning 50 times with a tank to a spawn point camped out by a rook?
How many kills were awarded as an offensive country came swooping in on the VH, while a single Ostie took out 10...20 fighters? (I did that as a rook on Friday!)
Yep, numbers are meaningless.
Incidently, the last time I flew rooks (Friday?) it was a clusterfuk ;) Like I said, everyone has their pinnicle, and their bucket ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
LOL!! got facts and data to back that claim up pal? ;) Or is it simply your opinion?
Doh! The "flag" went up after reading your post ;)
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Well Rip, I point to Sunday night. We were down to 12 fields. However, as our numbers increased to equal the Bish, but still 20 or so less than Knits, we gained 13 fields in two hours. Then, as our European contingent logged off, and the east coasters called it a night, the advance ground down. My experience is that given parity, the Rooks usually gain ground. Typically, for an RJO, the Rooks have anywhere from 150 to 200 players show up. RJOs always crush the opposition. Moreover, 150 players is the average Knit horde on any given night.
From tour 30:
The Rooks have 73314 kills and have been killed 71126 times against the Knights.
The Rooks have 86721 kills and have been killed 80106 times against the Bishops.
Tour 29:
The Rooks have 58411 kills and have been killed 56437 times against the Knights.
The Rooks have 75746 kills and have been killed 67202 times against the Bishops
I think that the numbers speak for themselves.
My regards,
Widewing
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The B.S. flag was sweet!
However, as a squadmate of Goth's, I stand aside him. I'm an average stick. I have been in this for 5 months now. I just wish people that whine about numbers (cough, cough thread starters) would shut up and let their actions show themselves in the MA. I get pissed watching 10 rooks chasing 1 plane, but I know this happens on all sides one time or another.
I get in there, play, have fun, rile up the Bishes and Knights with some trash talk and ALWAYS get a . They know I'm on there ot have fun. Rip, Aztec, Rude, Snorkel, Sads and the countless others (except Fester) realize at a point that I'm am busting their balls a bit a leave it at that.
I'll get off of my soapbox.
Guys!
Karaya2
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So, west coast Americans all joined the Knit Coalition now?
Well, in my case yes. When I started AH I was assigned to Rooks. I played in ignorant bliss until I started noticing posts about the great "imbalance" and how Rooks outnumbered the other two sides. Wanting to be a good AH citizen I switched to the side with lowest number at the time I played. At that time this was Bishops.
For a time I played happily in my Bishop role. Then one week the whines began in earnest about how the Bishops outnumbered everyone else. I checked the roster and found that Knights were horribly outnumbered by the other two. In my youthful ignorance of the flow of the game, I did not realize that this was because a reset was about to happen. So in an attempt to make the game fun for all I switched to Knights to give what little help I could.
These days I notice Knights often outnumber the other two combined when I am on. But I am older and wiser in the ways of things now and know this will change before long. Such is the flow of the game. Besides, I like the folks I fly with in the MA (RR, WAR, ZKLR, glasses ) on the Knight side. Not to say I didn't like the folks that were Bish or Rook, these are just the ones I'm used to these days.
If a squad or one or more folks I want to play with are on another side, I'll switch to join them. Until then I'll ride the Knight wave. When the balance changes and the Knights get the short end of the stick, I'll still stay Knights and just grin whenever I see screen cap of the numbers posted.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
So how many of those were the bug where the guy got 307 kills for killing a formation of lancs?
Wadke is a Knight and those kills he got are all Bishop. Aside from that, you have rooks who will continually respawn a camped spot, hell, I've done moronic things like that too. But, I pretty much take it at face value, Rooks own j00!:D
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Hehe, Goth, feeeeed your ego, feeeeeeeed it! ;)
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PS: Grow some testicles and post in your online name.
I don't have one.
Saddam out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Saddam, I know Rip has wanted to ask this question.
Can all of us be cool like you? :rolleyes:
Karaya2
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Incidently, the last time I flew rooks (Friday?) it was a clusterfuk ;) Like I said, everyone has their pinnicle, and their bucket ;)
Well, we had a pretty good clusterhump going at 21 last night...
:D
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Hussein
Ripsnort said: "PS: Grow some testicles and post in your online name."
I don't have one.
Saddam out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmm, then the above quote by you:
And btw Ripsnort, from what I've seen that claim about rooks is dead on.
Saddam out!!!!
You seem to know an aweful lot about AH for not having an online name. ;) Caught ya in a lie I see. :D
Take the panties off, and put the boxers on..whats your handle? ;) (no offense to the ladies out there!, except this lady I'm addressing! ;) )
Widewing:
Any given night, you can find highlites, and lowlites of any country ;)
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Dweebaroo (Saddam). Is there an unwritten rule here, forbidding the capture of an "empty base"?
Karaya2
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Incidently, "Ebb and flow" is a verb statement in AH since I've been here from Oct/99 to now...I've witnessed the Knights more than once go from 2 fields, and possible reset, to resetting the arena 10 hours later. Once while I was online for a good portion of the day, and night.., Knights got 3 resets in 24 hours..does that mean we are better than other countries? Hell no! We just had the right folks online, had the right opportunities, and took advantage.
Color me Rook, Bish, or Knight...we're all the same, just not all at the same time ;)
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Originally posted by Voss
Knights have always suicided. You can count on it in fact. It's very effective and there's almost no penalty for it.
Actually, kamikaze gets some pretty stiff penalties:
(a) cuts your score way, way down, including any perk points you get;
(b) your K/D ratio takes a tremendous hit; and
(c) you eliminate the possibility of vulching defenders upping from the field.
On a lesser scale, you also miss out on strafing the flak and the town after dumping your load on the hangars.
I'm "in the red" in the kill/death ratio because I keep getting hammered by flak or gv's while doing solo ground-pounding work in the P-38 and F4U-1D.
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Same here gofaster! the cut down by ack part.
Karaya2
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You seem to know an aweful lot about AH for not having an online name. Caught ya in a lie I see.
Not a lie, I used to play AH a lot but now I have no account.
Saddam out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A rook numbers whine post, is it that time again already? :)
Last time it was a whine about "too many damn Bishops" "the Bishops yadda yadda yadda whaaa whaaa whaaa!" same stuff different day. Rooks did get alot of people to feel sorry for them last time. They got alot of people to switch to rooks, but it wasn't long before they all left rooks again.
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Originally posted by Widewing
Two suicide P-38s where intercepted and killed before they could drop.
Objection! You contradicted yourself with a presupposition.
A suicide P-38 implies that the P-38 dropped its bombs and continued into the hangar/carrier. How could a P-38 be a "suicide", if it never even got into airfield range?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Hehe, Goth, feeeeed your ego, feeeeeeeed it! ;)
My ego is always hungry!
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"C is for Cookie, that's good enough for me!"
Goth
Karaya2
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Originally posted by gofaster
Objection! You contradicted yourself with a presupposition.
A suicide P-38 implies that the P-38 dropped its bombs and continued into the hangar/carrier. How could a P-38 be a "suicide", if it never even got into airfield range?
The first P-38 arrived over the CV at 10k and rolled into a vertical dive. I killed it at or about 5k before he released his bombs. Another P-38 (turned out to be the same guy) arrived about 15 minutes later. Again, I got him in his dive. It was clear that this guy had no expectation of survival, even not bothering to avoid my Wildcat.
My regards,
Widewing
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The doctor said I wouldn't have so many nosebleeds if I kept my finger out of there.
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So you pick your nose alot.
Karaya2
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Originally posted by Widewing
The first P-38 arrived over the CV at 10k and rolled into a vertical dive. I killed it at or about 5k before he released his bombs. Another P-38 (turned out to be the same guy) arrived about 15 minutes later. Again, I got him in his dive. It was clear that this guy had no expectation of survival, even not bothering to avoid my Wildcat.
My regards,
Widewing
5k is plenty of alt to recover in a P-38. He was probably counting on the fact that he could out last your barrage of gunfire with his "two engines means twice the durability" mentality.
Or he could've been a rookie and forgotten that the Wildcat can catch a Lightning in a dive.
Either way, it ain't a suicide until the moment of impact with the ground :)
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Originally posted by gofaster
Either way, it ain't a suicide until the moment of impact with the ground :)
At least, not any more than divebombing a CV ever is....
-RY-
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Interesting suicide theory, let's get this straight...Instead of pulling up after dropping with 3400 rounds of vultching special, they purposefully nosed into the ground so they could spend 15 more minutes climbing back for another nose dive? And you're complaining about it?
You guys really crack me up.
Those guys augered on purpose so they could get back to their base instead of vultching us!
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Originally posted by gofaster
Objection! You contradicted yourself with a presupposition.
A suicide P-38 implies that the P-38 dropped its bombs and continued into the hangar/carrier. How could a P-38 be a "suicide", if it never even got into airfield range?
Because they fly staright to the airfield hoping you will not catch up with them.
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Last heard on AH VOX while a burning Rook came in on a suicide run over our CV...
Click here (http://www.jokes.thefunnybone.com/waves/clerk.wav)
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Are We having Fun Yet ??? :D
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Originally posted by T0J0
non productive thread
do we have to sit here everyday and read the same old whiney posts on how one country sucks more than another because "whoswhats" country pilots are the only pilots that scratch their
nu#'s or whatever....
Just like i tell the whiney guys at work!! Just fricken let go"
T0J0
yup there will always be sissy arse whiniers in the game
Scroll up to see some of the best....
Id rather have a hernia than a whinin mouth.
Like I always say, cry me a river baby!
:cool:
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HTC should automatically place players on teams as soon as they log into the MA for the first time, and make sure the time zones on each team are about even
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Originally posted by Kevin14
HTC should automatically place players on teams as soon as they log into the MA for the first time, and make sure the time zones on each team are about even
And exactly how would that occur when there are country-specific squadrons?
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The AK's rotated every month for a long time. Can't say I noticed any difference among the three. Don't even know why Curly wanted to stay Bishop.
If I had to guess, it'd be because Bish have fewer prettythangh*les. Not because he doesn't like them, but because he likes to make them whine. :D
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Sorry Saddam, but I fly for all 3 countries (remember, we have two accounts) and each country has its turn on the pedestal, and each has its turn in the bucket. Depends on what time you log in, who is logged in at the same time, and who is offensive or defensive.
Basically, all countries are clones of one another...the winner is the side with the numbers.
End of story. :)
PS: Grow some testicles and post in your online name. ;)
Wrong. No longer a ROOK but I know when ROOKS decide to get the job done they do it much more quickly and effectively than the other two. Yes, they have numbers during those times but no more than the other side does "at other times". Day to Day... ROOKS, well.. they suck at everything but furballing. But when they get it together.... it is good.
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Please do take a wild guess why Bishops would have less number of whiners and prettythangholes, or people who would not be in any other state then "content" when it comes to numbers.
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Are the people that are whining about this string of posts routinely outnumbered? Nope
Are rooks aways outnumbered? Nope
Are rooks outnumbered more often than nites or bish? Yup, without a doubt.
Does it take the fun out of this $15/month account? Yup, especially in the afternoons.
Can we do anything about it? Nope
Life goes on
HeadBang, Tiger Squadron:)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Agreed. The whine by Voss was pretty good, about ONLY knits being suicidal..that earned at least a 5.0 for originality and good fabrication.
Whine? Wrong word, bud. FACT!
I just don't fight Bishops or Rooks enough to note their behaviour.
But, Rip, I give you a 2.3 on attempted rebuttal. Lame.
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Seems to me last night on my TWO sorties the bish had 160 some odd fields. We took two of them on two sorties. I can care less about whiners in the three countries. EVERY country has it's whiners. EVERY country!
What matters to me most is how fluid our squadron is, lately clockwork. Which is good, we captured 78 last night the only opposition, a lone Bish player who instead of possibly saving the base by upping a plane, got into a M16. Field was captured within minutes. Hmm. If I had the choice what would I want? Whiners or fluid teamwork? I'll take getting reset and squadron teamwork and efficiency any day of the week. :rolleyes:
Karaya2
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So what you're saying that your whole squadron was milkrunning undefended fields, with ph33r of one opponent actually upping a plane to stop you? Heheh..
I guess different people have different ideas of fun. Hint: You can do the same offline without worrying about even that 1 bish.
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Originally posted by Hussein
So what you're saying that your whole squadron was milkrunning undefended fields, with ph33r of one opponent actually upping a plane to stop you? Heheh..
I guess different people have different ideas of fun. Hint: You can do the same offline without worrying about even that 1 bish.
I love using quote now that I have figured it out...anyway. No Hussi, normally we do not milkrun, but going against 30 red icons get's tiresome, not that you would know anything about that anymore now would you. By the way, how are you enjoying offline play?
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It wasn't fear on our part it was STUPIDITY on the defender's part.
I've come to a realization here Hussein:
Karaya2
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Well, I wouldn't sweat it too much. The Knights are about to lose the Pizza map to the Bishops. The Knightland downfall actually started yesterday at 5pm Eastern US over the furball cauldron of airfield 108 when 2 carrier task forces failed to capture the base due to (a) enemy spawn point just outside city limits that allowed them to continually resupply the town, (b) reluctance on the part of the other Knight flyers to take down the fighter hangars, which allowed the Bishops to simply launch LA-7s to blow past the F6F fighter cover and pop the goons coming from the inland bases, and (c) Knight inability to land troops from the carrier because the LVTs get bogged down on the beach because of a bug in the terrain - the incline for the hill starts in the water, so when the LVTs get to the beach, the cabin is actually BELOW the terrain, which causes the player to be unable to get in position #1 to do any driving AND causes the LVT to simply spin in circles. Lost 2 LVT players that way. :mad:
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I've been a Rook for long enough to realize that there are some unassailable constants about rookdom:
1) We hate organization and Leadership
2) We lovvvvvvve to furball (especially at center island)
3) Stra-te-gery? Whats that?
I'm used to it by now, I expect to be fighting with at least 2 to 1 and often 3 or 4 to 1 ratios. But can we finally dismiss the concept of some kind of anti-rook conspiracy? The truth is our style of gameplay is the least conducive to player retention of all three countries, either we change or we learn to live with consistently having the lowest numbers, and the chances of us changing are slim indeed.
The rule of thumb for Rooks:
Learn to love being the underdog, or move to the sensible teams.
Hey I've learned to be content - and I can't even remember the last time I got perks from a reset.
Pax Vobiscum,
Seagoon
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Hey I've learned to be content - and I can't even remember the last time I got perks from a reset.
Pax Vobiscum,
Seagoon
You get perks from a reset?!?!:eek:
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Does anybody remember the weekend of July 1st. One the sunday night when the rooks got the reset over the Knights.
what where the number again
Rooks----230
Bishops--150
Knights---130
the numbers where something like this, and the attack on the Knights started on the Friday evening, the Knights fought back Friday, and Saturday nights, and finaly lost on Sunday evening. Now on the Sunday evening, I logged in and the Knights where down to 4 or 5 fields, and still we Knights held out for about 4 hours or so.
Now I know there is a post about this week end, But I could not find it. But I am sure some other people remember it.
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So we have to go back to July 1st to find a time when the rooks had overwhelming numbers? ;-)
Imagine if things were actually balanced and we outnumbered the others every third weekend.
In defence of my 'whining,' people have to keep in mind theres a difference between the 'challange' of poor odds and the frustration of not being able to have any fun.
HeadBang
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Wow. This thread went further than I'd hoped.
I posted this in utter frustration that I couldn't fly what I wanted when I logged on, and when I grabbed a Spit V for base defense, the Knits didn't even try to fight. Fatty, what was there to vulch? We had no FHs and no VH after the suicide run. They didn't precisely auger, but if they were trying to kill us, or live, I couldn't tell.
That said, I'd be shocked if the Rooks have won more than 15% of the resets since last October, and would not be surprised if they have won fewer than 5% of them.
Of the times I have logged on since October I have seen the Rooks with a significant numbers advantage fewer than 10 times. Of the times that we matched, or nearly matched, the numbers of Bish and Knits has been dwarfed in comparison with the number of times I have logged on to find the Rooks massively outnumbered. Call it a whine if you like, but it is also factual.
This idea about "everybody getting a turn in the bucket" is BS. Stories of particular times when the Rooks had the numbers advantage are non-representive and suggesting such is simple propaganda.
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Originally posted by Goth
You get perks from a reset?!?!:eek:
200 of them, I think - enough for a Me-262 :)
Kind of makes the whole base capture thingy a little more important in the long run...
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It just baffles me every time someone gets mad at how their opponent dies.
I don't get pissed when someone flies terribly in a dogfight, and I don't get upset when they can't pull out of a dive and auger. But I'm sure it wasn't a mistake, and is part of the suicide respawn conspiracy.
(though in support of the conspiracy if there was nothing left to fight and nothing left to destroy you can bet money I'm hitting the first solid object I can find, gound included, too)