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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Mini D on August 14, 2002, 10:06:08 PM
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I might be able to get my 200th kill in a P-40E by the end of the week. I fly it because I've always liked it and I don't really care about its overall performance. I know it was something of a pig in WWII.
The dogfights in this plane have been incredible. I've lost quite a few, but I've also one suprisingly more than I thought I would in this plane. (and I'm not that good of a pilot)
I wonder why more people don't follow their heart when selecting aircraft and chose instead to go with the highest performing planes.
Flying the P-40E since it came out has almost generated a respect for the LW types. Having some sort of passion for the planes you fly seems to make a real difference.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
I wonder why more people don't follow their heart when selecting aircraft and chose instead to go with the highest performing planes... Having some sort of passion for the planes you fly seems to make a real difference.
MiniD
Is it OK to have a passion for a high performing aircraft? Or would that be "verboten"?
;)
BTW, I like the P-40 as well.. think I like the Wildcat better though.
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i fly ths plane with tha sheety guns, the spit mk i. get lotsa perks with it :)
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Wow, nicely done Mini D.
:)
-Kuben
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Toad: "Is it OK to have a passion for a high performing aircraft? Or would that be "verboten"?"
Sure it is. But I'm certain most people flying LA7s and N1Ks a majority of their time hardly knew the existence of said aircraft until Aces High. IMO, they aren't flying their passion but just using the proper tool to get what they want out of an MA furball. So in essence, I think your comeback misses the mark of this thread.
Mini D, congrats on enjoying the P-40 in the MA. You have my respect for sticking with her.
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Toad would argue with someone trying to force a million dollars on him.
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Nah.. that's a lot of kills in a P-40. I don't have near that many, about 10% in fact.
I salute Mini D for his achievement. I've flown the P-40 enough to know that its a tough plane to achieve in. It gives the word "committed" when engaging a serious underline. :) You're pretty much engaged till they're all dead.. or you are.
Again, well done.
But I guess I just wonder why folks always seem to include a polarizing sentence in such posts.
To wit:
"why more people don't follow their heart "
Isn't that a major assumption? That only folks that don't fly the higher performance aircraft are following their heart? Can there be any passionate FW-190D9 flyers out there?
"chose instead to go with the highest performing planes"
Instead of what? Maybe their HEART lies with a Spit IX, one of the better all round planes with decent performance. Could it be they ARE following their heart in the Spit IX? Or the P-51? Both planes that have about the same mythological historical aura as the P-40.
"Having some sort of passion for the planes you fly seems to make a real difference. "
Yes it does. But it DOES NOT mean that one has to have a passion for the aircraft OTHER PEOPLE are passionate about, does it? Is a FW-190D9 guy somehow less because he's very passionate about a late-war high performance aircraft?
That's all I'm saying. Congrats on the kills. Don't overlook the fact that people are passionate about aircraft from both ends of the performance spectrum.
It's my view. Is that arguing? If so, sorry.
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Congrats man!
So, do tell.......how do you survive in the late-war dominated arena we have here?
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Heya Toad, don' t apologize to these guys, anyone argues with you is a dweeb looking for attention.
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Toad, you've read too deeply into what I've said.
It was not intended to be about flying an underdog aircraft. It was intended to be about using more than the performance tables to select what plane you like to fly. And if the plane you want to fly is not high in performance you may want to give it a try anyways. You'll probably be suprised.
Nobody is any better or worse because of the plane they select. But in my oppinion, the game itself is better or worse depending on why you select the aircraft you chose to fly. (winning the fight is not all that matters)
I'm not flying the P-40 to prove a point. I'm not flying it to show how cool someone can be in a lesser plane. I'm flying it because it is my favorite WW2 aircraft of all time. The fact that it can survive in the MA is a pleasant suprise.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
It was intended to be about using more than the performance tables to select what plane you like to fly.
All I'm saying is that many folks use "more than performance" in their selection process, just like you.. but they happen to choose an FW-190D9 or a P-51D or a Spit IX. Personally, I love the mystique and aura of a P-40. I love the mystique and aura of the P-51 too. I've flown them both here.
Originally posted by Mini D
I'm flying it because it is my favorite WW2 aircraft of all time.
MiniD
While I've flown the C205 a bunch. I'm half Italian after all and I like that aspect of it. Overall, I love it a true killer and a sleeper that most ignore...
I like the Zeke quite a bit... great fun, what a furball machine.... but no real emotional attachment. Certainly not a "performance" choice.
I'm currently flying the FM2 extensively... impressed with what a stone cold killer it is, perhaps more fun than the 205 or the Zeke...... although it's "book" performance is unimpressive. No real emotional attachment.. after all, it's a squid ride. ;)
the P-40 some... love the mystique; always loved the aura around it, simply don't have the patience to chase folks all night and don't have the skill to furball in it like I can the 205, Zeke and FM2...........
... but overall my favorite aircraft of all time is the P-51D. I've always lusted after a real one, which has become an impossible dream now, I'm afraid.
So that's why I fly it quite a bit. Even though it is rather high performance. Like having your cake and eating it too, eh?
:)
Again, I salute your achievements in the P-40.
I found I just couldn't stick with it, even though I like it... not enough patience I think. And as I said, my favorite is the P-51. I even furball in it, although I probably shouldn't.
And that's all I was saying.
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Well my .02 cents here. The P-40 should actually be superior to the F4-f and Fm-2 since it can handle a zero (not necessarily a kill but survivable combat+-kill) if proper tactics are used. So in that regard, since a zero was considered superior to an F4-f then the P-40 should also be superior to the F4-f. Funny thing is I feel safest in an F4-f. Its only real draw back (for myself at least) is fuel consumption and get away speed.
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Originally posted by Toad
All I'm saying is that many folks use "more than performance" in their selection process, just like you.. but they happen to choose an FW-190D9 or a P-51D or a Spit IX. Personally, I love the mystique and aura of a P-40. I love the mystique and aura of the P-51 too. I've flown them both here.
Yes... many do. But I doubt that "many" translates to a "majority". If you have a fondness for the P-51 and really love the plane then great. This post did not apply to you in any way shape or form. But if you like the P-51 simply because its the fastest plane in the arena then... you get the point.
Let me put it another way that may help. When you see these planes mentioned... who do you think of?:
Spitfire
Fw 190
Bf 109
P-51
P-38
P-47
F6F
N1K2
Look at the names you associate with them then ask if they chose those planes as their favorite because they were uber rides. These are not all considered "uber" rides, but I personally can associate specific individuals with each of them. I don't picture them as people that picked their planes based on performance. I know there is no clear cut "this person did pick based on performance" and "this person didn't"... I'm just asking people to avoid one extreme end of the spectrum.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Toad
Nah.. that's a lot of kills in a P-40. I don't have near that many, about 10% in fact.
I salute Mini D for his achievement. I've flown the P-40 enough to know that its a tough plane to achieve in. It gives the word "committed" when engaging a serious underline. :) You're pretty much engaged till they're all dead.. or you are.
Again, well done.
But I guess I just wonder why folks always seem to include a polarizing sentence in such posts.
To wit:
"why more people don't follow their heart "
Isn't that a major assumption? That only folks that don't fly the higher performance aircraft are following their heart? Can there be any passionate FW-190D9 flyers out there?
"chose instead to go with the highest performing planes"
Instead of what? Maybe their HEART lies with a Spit IX, one of the better all round planes with decent performance. Could it be they ARE following their heart in the Spit IX? Or the P-51? Both planes that have about the same mythological historical aura as the P-40.
"Having some sort of passion for the planes you fly seems to make a real difference. "
Yes it does. But it DOES NOT mean that one has to have a passion for the aircraft OTHER PEOPLE are passionate about, does it? Is a FW-190D9 guy somehow less because he's very passionate about a late-war high performance aircraft?
That's all I'm saying. Congrats on the kills. Don't overlook the fact that people are passionate about aircraft from both ends of the performance spectrum.
It's my view. Is that arguing? If so, sorry.
Gotta agree with ya here Toad. Although I love the B model P51 vs the D. The D is for gettin stuff done, the B is just pure fun (i.e. I don't care how many bombers etc they have inbound, I'm STILL flying my B!!!!).
P.S. Add the F4U-1 to that list also.
Zaphod
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on the P40 kills!
I tried the P40 out for a week or so but found I didn't have the patience to climb to 20k everytime I want a kill lol. I reverted back to my pony pretty quickly but I'll still take the P40 out of the hangar when I feel like a challenge. I did manage to land one 5 kill sortie which made me feel very good even though in the P51 that wouldn't be anything out of the ordinary. So I can definitely say that racking up a tour of 200 kills is a real achievement. WTG!
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I think your choice of the P-40 is a good one, and probably serves you well.
However, checking your score I find you have 52 kills in the P40E. DO you have a second account, or are you adding tours together?
I have an inkling that the mediocre planes are more capable of delivering perks and kills/time then some of the 'better' planes that are more often times flown.
'Learn one plane, learn it well' is a motto to take to heart.
Keep up the good work.:cool:
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originally posted by toad
Can there be any passionate FW-190D9 flyers out there?
I am. I hatew it this tour but i stick with it cause i love it.
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MiniD, how has flying the p40 generated a respect for the LW types? Are you saying the planes they fly are poor or they have more passion than someone else? Why do you respect LW types more than someone dedicated to the RAF planest (i.e. me) or any other planeset. You sure you're not a closet Luftweenie?:D
give 'em hell, Toad.:)
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200 kills in the P-40E is impressive. I flew it for a couple of weeks, along with the FM-2 and Dauntless, and decided I wasn't good enough to be competitive in it. My teammates were counting on my to do my duty to the best of my ability, and the P-40E was too much of a handicap. Maybe I'll go back to it next time I'm up and see if I can manage my energy better.
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Right on MiniD!!!! Congrats on the kills in the plane you love to fly. And I couldn't agree more with you on comments about the reason one picks a ride. I spend 90% of my time in a Jug as that is the plane that I love. There are plenty of times that I get waxed because of it, but when I land a multi kill sortie in a jug I know it was because of what I did, not what the FM did.
Now for you Spit, Niki and LA7 drivers that are winding up to tell me I am full of it....Go fly a jug or a P-40 or some other non baby raping plane for a tour and then, and only then, will I gave a damn about what you have say.
Avid
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Originally posted by Mini D
I might be able to get my 200th kill in a P-40E by the end of the week. I fly it because I've always liked it and I don't really care about its overall performance. I know it was something of a pig in WWII.
The dogfights in this plane have been incredible. I've lost quite a few, but I've also one suprisingly more than I thought I would in this plane. (and I'm not that good of a pilot)
I wonder why more people don't follow their heart when selecting aircraft and chose instead to go with the highest performing planes.
Flying the P-40E since it came out has almost generated a respect for the LW types. Having some sort of passion for the planes you fly seems to make a real difference.
MiniD
WTG MiniD, I have great respect for people who don't take the easy way - and p40 sure isn't a La7! :)
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A lot of us fly early war, and enjoy it. We enjoy it because there are so many late war planes in the arena, so please stop discouraging them.
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Originally posted by Mini D
But if you like the P-51 simply because its the fastest plane in the arena then... you get the point.
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The point being you'd be wrong, because it isn't?
Or the point being you're a dweeb for picking an uber ride you are not passionate about?
:D
Originally posted by Mini D
I'm just asking people to avoid one extreme end of the spectrum.
MiniD
Well, maybe you should help them, the "majority" out. You know, draw a line for them. Maybe make a list or something so they'll know what's ok to fly.
" These are lower performance/non-uber that you will love and be loved for flying.
THESE[/u] are high performance/uber/extreme performance aircraft that you should not fly unless you can submit proof from three different sources showing that you have always loved this aircraft since an early age and are passionate about it. Flying these without such proof is definitely frowned upon."
It can be tough. Like, where does the Spit V and Spit IX fit in? Certainly not "uber" in book performance but true arena killers, especially in the right hands. A few guidelines might be a good thing.
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Toad you are acting defensive when there is no need.
I haven't said any rides are uber. I haven't said anyone is a dweeb for flying a particular plane.
You used to have a have a line in your sig file that went something to the effect of "fly what you like, like what you fly." Think about that just a little more.
I'm not trying to define apropriate plane selection or behavior. I haven't labeled anyone and won't. I'll continue to ask people to consider more than just performance when selecting their aircraft.
I fly a plane that I've always loved with little consideration for anything else. That has made AH a better game for me.
MiniD
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threads like these make me want to fly the N1K2 and La7. :)
That or make me want NOT want to fly certain planes so I don't get the stigma of being a snobby elitist. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Toad
Is it OK to have a passion for a high performing aircraft? Or would that be "verboten"?
;)
BTW, I like the P-40 as well.. think I like the Wildcat better though.
A fella named Toad has almost 60 kills in an FM-2, and about 20 in a P-51D. I wouldn't exactly call the FM-2 a high performing aircraft. Its the "Civic of street racing" in Aces High. Handles great, turns on a dime, but gets blown away in the quartermile by the local Mustangs.
So why act all defensive because a guy can actually bag 200 kills in an aircraft that's rich in romantic notions of dogfighting, but is otherwise outclassed by other planes?
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Originally posted by Nifty
threads like these make me want to fly the N1K2 and La7. :)
That or make me want NOT want to fly certain planes so I don't get the stigma of being a snobby elitist. :rolleyes:
You snobby elitists in your PT Boats make me sick!
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Why is it that a scene from Monty Python's "Holy Grail" is coming to mind? "I'm being opressed! I'm being opressed!" :rolleyes:
I'm not trying to say "I fly a crappy plane and can still kick your ass." People that do that are still using performance to determine ride selection. I've seen that in the MA and posted here too. A "what real men fly" kind of thing.
I'm questioning motivation, not manhood.
I'm not out to prove that a crappy aircraft can survive. I'm pleasantly suprised by it. I'm out to win every engagement I enter, but I don't believe that I should change my ride simply to increase my success rate or fly an "inferior" plane to prove myself or to provide an excuse for my loss. I'll not say "ya, nice kill against a P-40 in your Mustang" after a death to a mustang. I'll not say "Nice bounce alt monkey DORA!" after getting blasted by by a Dora . What I fly is not an excuse and what you fly is not a reason for me needing an excuse.
The P-40 can do well in the MA. The fact that I am successful in one proves that. I can't lay claim to being an above average skilled pilot. It makes me wonder how well other aircraft could do in the MA... aircraft that people don't want to try because they are too slow or don't turn well. I guess its simply about what people choose not to fly as opposed to what they choose to fly. I don't think alot of aircraft are given a fair chance by people that would really rather be flying them.
MiniD
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You're not Mini D, it's the followup spit/niki/la7 jabs from people that fly late-midwar planes pretending they're flying serious underdog planes that are the hypocrits that get under my skin.
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fatty
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If "someone" had just congratulated MiniD and left the commentary alone, this thread would have remained quite civil.
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lol, gofaster! ;)
hehe, every once in awhile, I get in one of those PT boat crazes. It's a lotta fun. I dunno what it is, I just can't stop hitting the spawn button after I die! :D
naw, my comment was more for those that feel they are better (or more manly, more chivalrous, whatever) because they fly something other than a Spit, George or La7 (or other high performance plane). Mini and Fatty are not among those.
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I'm not sure it's always a manly thing, but some people seek the challenge because it enhances their enjoyment of the game. I'm not sure how much fun it would be if my F4U-1 was impervious to collisions and bullets and I had an unlimited ammo load...it would grow old very quickly. I think the original point was that people shouldn't always fly what they do best in but should sometimes fly something different or maybe what is actually their favorite aircraft from the war in a historical perspective. Some people are fascinated with the Flying Tigers and the P-40 and should give it a try sometimes in the MA. And Fatty touches upon something I agree with too, and that is that there is nothing sweeter than taking out an "uber" aircraft with some early war "hunk of junk." I immediately started flying the F4F-4 when 1.10 came out and I still remember on probably the 3rd day of 1.10 when a N1K decided to pick on me and thought he'd make an easy lunch out of me. To my surprise and I'm sure his surprise, I was able to turn the tables on him and shoot him down. That was incredibly sweet. I'm not sure it's as memorable the other way around. I agree though, sometimes fly that aircraft you find to be fascinating in your imagination even if you aren't as successful in it as some other rides. That's all.
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Originally posted by Turbot
If "someone" had just congratulated MiniD and left the commentary alone, this thread would have remained quite civil.
Or even if the accomplishment had just been stated without the commentary, eh? Think about it. Like it or not, there's plenty of negative implication in the initial post. Perhaps unintentional, but there nontheless.
........ and that's all I have to say about that.
Go forth, have fun, fly what you like, like what you fly, don't worry about what the other guy flies. ;)
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Ive been flying p40e too last tour and i finished with a positive Kill/Death ratio surprisingly.
58 Kills to 26 deaths! 2 to 1 :)
nothing is good on the plane apart from excellent initial dive but its great fun anyway! :) reason i flew it? i had a model of it next to my 109 in desert colours when i was a kid.The 190 however i learned to like purely through trying it in AH.I did like reading stories of the ground attack 190s though.
if you ever try out LW try the 109f4 with gonds and light fuel.another surprising aircraft.