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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Gloves on August 15, 2002, 08:07:22 AM
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Just for fun kind of post.
My favorite is the Hurricane IIC. The 4 20mm's have a lot of punch and this plane turns really well. Fun to take down the later war models with it.
It's especially fun when getting B & Z'd to go head on. Those Hispanzooka's give you a good chance to take them down. Nothing like watching the guy whine about HO's when he could have easily run away or gained enough alt to avoid it. :D
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LA5
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It's "Tony Time!" Ki-61
Karaya2
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Any particular reason(s) you guys like those?
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F4U-1 from a carrier deck, P-38L for doing ground work. The 5 superplanes will eat both of them alive, so every operation has its own rewards, just don't expect to land any kills.
I'm thinking, though, that what I might start doing is flying the plane that killed me last. That would give me a reason to finally start flying the N1k2, LA-7, P-51D (as a fighter instead of my usual ground attack), Spitfire IX (haven't flown it since my first month here), and FW-190 (or F6F - I see both about as often).
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I like the LA-5 because it can dive with most aircraft in the planeset (roughly 625 mph without losing aileron authority) and it turns quite well.
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F4U-1a
I only consider it an underdog because of its point-value.
It's more capable than ya'll think, and find it get's underestimated quite often.
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The F4U-1 is the fastest bird from the carrier and the birdcage model seems to have a better balance than the D model. The single drop tank makes it easier to launch from a deck and still provides plenty of air time. It also generates more perk points if you land a kill. :)
The P-38 carries 10 (10!) rockets, plus bombs, and packs a pretty good set of guns in the nose for strafing towns and gvs. Its slow speed makes it susceptible to ground flak, and it can compress quickly if you're not careful, and the visibility out the sides is horrible, but for lifting ordinance its better than any of the other fighter/bombers I've flown.
I've tried flying the FM-2, but I'm just not cut out for slow speed furballing. I use the FM-2 for ground attack when I fly it.
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The 205 used to be a dominate plane. Pry still is but not as old versions, ask pongo and Thunder.
I just might pull it back out.
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P-47D-11 gets it for me ...mass perk earner and has a suprising turn rate .
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Is the 190A5 a underdog plane? If not i vote for the 109F4.
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Originally posted by gofaster
F4U-1 from a carrier deck, P-38L for doing ground work. The 5 superplanes will eat both of them alive, so every operation has its own rewards, just don't expect to land any kills.
I'm thinking, though, that what I might start doing is flying the plane that killed me last. That would give me a reason to finally start flying the N1k2, LA-7, P-51D (as a fighter instead of my usual ground attack), Spitfire IX (haven't flown it since my first month here), and FW-190 (or F6F - I see both about as often).
Which 190? 190A5, 190A8, 190F8, or 190D9 they all have "190" icon (probably why you see so many?), and are quite different incarnations of the same beast.
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I would have to say the P-47D11 as well. And the KI-67 when I feel like a good turn fight.
Avid
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The P-51D:)
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109-F4 for its climbing and turn ability - nothing underneath you is safe :)
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I almost posted the Spit IX Rude!
Karaya2
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Originally posted by Turbot
Which 190? 190A5, 190A8, 190F8, or 190D9 they all have "190" icon (probably why you see so many?), and are quite different incarnations of the same beast.
I don't fly the 190, but I see plenty of them over my head and in my rear-view :) Not sure which version - icons all show the same and the aircraft look the same from the front (or back, as it were).
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i like hurricane IIC because, its a newbie magnet.. There they are 2-3 weeks in , in there mustangs, la7s, niks and spit 9s.. they see a hurricane and think i must be able to shoot a pre 1940 aircraft down..They may have had a go in it a few times also, which as them who like it knows takes a little getting use to..
you let them close on you 600m...500m 400m then flip turn roll there they are in your sights booma booma booma..victory roll , whos next..:D
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SBD-5 Dauntless. I tried it for fleet defense last night, shooting down three bombers and a fighter, none by proxy. Also accumulated nearly 20 assists. Two-gun dive bombers tend to get the scraps left by the "real" fighters. However, I didn't take so much as a single hit, despite venturing out to join furballs. I did lose one SBD to friendly ack as I chugged after a Ki-67. That Ki-67 pilot DID get a proxy! Lol!
What I found strange was how hard most enemy pilots tried to avoid the Dauntless. Maybe they realized that the SBD can out-turn a hummingbird. Maybe they figured any nut picking fights in a Dauntless might know something they don't. Whatever the reason, few challenged me beyond trying a poor angle snapshot.
Maybe they were more concerned with the fighters. I don't get it, I shower and use deodorant!
Edit: Just checked stats, had 13 assists with SBD, a few less than I thought.
My regards,
Widewing
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Most of these planes are not underdogs. The best true underdog is the F4F/FM2.
ra
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Originally posted by Widewing
SBD-5 Dauntless. I tried it for fleet defense last night.
A couple of weeks ago I was over in the CT during the Malta campaign and was flying Axis. I saw a guy in a Dauntless smack down an MC205 and a pair of 109Fs. I was intrigued, so I switched sides and dive-bombed an airfield, strafed the flak, and even bagged a couple of vulch kills during the loiter. I was impressed at the amount of damage the SBD can take from flak guns and at its turn rate (at least, until the elevator gets some holes in it).
One trick I tried: a 109 came screaming down at me, so I nosed over into a dive, popped the dive brakes and flaps, and sat in the tailgun seat. I sprayed from the rear gun as he came down, then jumped in the pilot's seat and shot from the front as he screamed past. I got some hits on him but didn't have the punch to take him down. He circled back around and came in underneath my now-wounded plane, below my rear gun, and finished me off.
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F4F-4 is my underdog ride.
F4U-1 is my typical ride.
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My favourite mmm
I love the 109f-4, but recently and due to the increased furball activity I have made a change to the mighty Hurricane IIc
This plane should be PERKED!
I love it, its pretty slow but its so twisty turny at low speeds it stays in the air and continues to twist and turn and loop, and it has the has 4 mk1 hisbasookas,
And the rate of fire of those things shhhesh
You only have to dab the trigger to let off enough to down a plane and loose a quater of you ammo.
This is a gem of a plane and severly underestimated by those who know no better.
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"The best true underdog is the F4F/FM2."
Yes, the FM2 is a true underdog, and can be safely ignored.
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Hurri IIc is as much of an underdog as the Spitfire V is. Both excel in the MA furball, both are 1941 planes.
Try a Hurri I or Spit I if you want an underdog RAF plane. :)
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Delta Elf:)
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Originally posted by popeye
"The best true underdog is the F4F/FM2."
Yes, the FM2 is a true underdog, and can be safely ignored.
I personally know of 170 pilots who will never ignore a Wildcat again....
It seems that some think the Wildcat is an underdog, however, I'm not one of them. It's the antidote to the SpitV and Zero.
The FM2 has 2296 kills and has been killed 1851 times.
That's a 1.24/1 K/D, putting it near the top of the non-perked fighters.
My regards,
Widewing
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hmmm, the true "underdog" in the plane set is the 202. I've seen a number of 5-6 kill hops with it. Personally I cant shoot well enough to knockdown more than a couple unless I get a auger somewhere. Of course usually you work the con down to the deck and suck out his E only to have a nikki dweeb show up and grab the kill:). Personally the most fun was the Yak with the 37mm. Talk about 1 shot 1 kill:)...best I ever did was 4 kills on 4 shots...still had 28 in the clip when I got whacked.
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I love the FM-2. I started flying it, and it felt like a natural compliment to my normal ride, the F6-F. When I feel like something different in the F6-F, I now pick up the FM-2.
I choose it fully fueled, plus rockets usually. Then I take off, get some alt, and wait for someone to attack a base. Then I dive after them, and engage. All they have to do is run, but most will start trying to fight, and I can own that easily with turning. They try a HO, and I pop them with rockets (well, I try, it's been fun, I think I've hit three or four). Overall, I find myself landing in the FM-2 a lot more than I die in it.
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BAH, a 40eny plane doesn't qualify as an underdog. The FM2, f4u-1, la5, hurriC are all excellent aircraft.
My favorite underdog plane is the val. Theres nothing like latching onto the back of something, and peck away at it with the dual 7.7's untill something important falls off. :D
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yak9t for its one shot one kill capability
la5fn good turner at high speeds plus you can bomb w/the 100kg's
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P-47 D-30. People underestimate this dog. It is a mistake :).
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Val.. get in a 1 on 1 turn fight with it .. great stuff.
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P-47D-11 & c205
Two great planes if flown properly.
-Kuben
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Man, I can't believe noone mentioned my two favorite planes - bar none:
Spit 1 and A6M2.
Nothing turns without stalling like the Spit1, and if I have to up on a massively capped field, it's always my choice. My favorite thing about it is the ability to do low speed maneuvers and line up while other fighters are wobbling all over the place as they stall out. Unfortunately with the 8 pea-shooters I get more assists than kills.
The A6M2 is a fun ride, again the guns are massively underpowered, but can that thing turn on a dime! I've also regularly outturned A6M5s with it.
Both get chewed up by anything with an E advantage, but at least you are handing minimal perkies to anyone who shoots you down, and you know darn well that you've earned every kill get.
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109F4! Enuff said!!! :)
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It depends on what you mean by "underdog". Most fighters are underdogs when compared to the P-51D, Typhoon Mk Ib, Fw190D-9, Bf109G-10, La-7, Yak-9U, N1K2-J, Spitfire Mk IX and P-38L.
If we mean underdog to those, then my favorite is the Mosquito FB.Mk VI.
If we mean slow assed, massively undergunned 1940 fighters as underdogs, then I'd pick the Spitfire Mk Ia and A6M2.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
LA5
umm that thing is uber. As are alot of other underdog rides noted in this thread.
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Bf109G6
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My favorite 'underdog' plane is the 109E4. It will *almost* turn with a spit. By almost I mean you can go around a couple turns and hose it down good (and make the dumb ones reverse so you can stay on their tail), before you start losing ground.
Only bad thing is that it is so slow that even the Spits and N1K2's can run away from it.
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Exactly, the Spit1.
it's got nuttin but bbs and if you neg G the engine shuts off, oh and it's about as fast as a gooney..
I got accused of stealing a kill from a 110 before in my spit1.
I'll take that as a compliment =)
Originally posted by Seagoon
Spit 1 and A6M2.
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Gotta be the val for me. That thing is almost TOO much fun, heheh. Plus when ya actually get a kill in it, people tend to get a little bent out of shape... "How the hell did you kill me in THAT piece of crap???" is something I've heard a couple times, and still makes me giggle when I recall it :).
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A6m2, F4u1, P51B, P40(the one with the shark on the nose) and the La5 ive started flying cus i started playing Il2 agian and i like that plane in there ;)
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hurr I nothing can turn with it have out turned zeke's spits other hurrs and every thing else............ plus when some one has a e advatige u wait till they get about 700- 600 yrd away then make a sharp turn they almost never hit u (repeat untill they are out of ammo) then go kill a zeke defending a base :)
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dunno if the P51B counts as an underdog but I sure do love that plane...:)
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Quote"Most of these planes are not underdogs. The best true underdog is the F4F/FM2.":confused:
The most underdog plane of the set has got to be the "Flying Brick", better known as the P-40. The E model is a marginal underdog, but the B model has gotta win it hands down. :D
Some may not agree, but thems my choices. :p
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Originally posted by gofaster
... P-38L for doing ground work. The 5 superplanes will eat both of them alive, so every operation has its own rewards, just don't expect to land any kills.
And just what are these 5 'Super-planes'? Please don't say the Niki, La7 or the Spitfire IX as part of the '5'.
(http://www.hispanicvista.com/assets/479th_shield.jpg)
Ack-Ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders
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I dont know if it count as a underdog plane, but I love the Seafire :)
The Wild Vikings
Commanding Officer
Lasse
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109g2, it does everything great except dive
Shamus
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Originally posted by akak
And just what are these 5 'Super-planes'? Please don't say the Niki, La7 or the Spitfire IX as part of the '5'.
Ok, I won't. But I'll just say that the P-51D and either the FW-190 or F6F round out the stable.
Quick rule of thumb to identify a super-plane: check the ENY and OBJ values. If the ENY is less than 20 - ta-da!
Not that there's anything wrong with flying them, just that it kind of takes some of the wind out of the bragging rights. Anyone that can land a couple of kills in a P-40E is probably a better pilot than the guy that's landing a couple of kills in a Spitfire IX.
I'm not above doing some Spitfire flying myself. Last night I flew a Spitfire V (ENY 20) with a 500 pound bomb (to assist in a base capture) and had an absolutely marvelous time bagging a P-51B (I could see the invasion stripes), an F4U (I think it was a F4U-1 - didn't see the yellow band on the cowl), and an A6M5. I would've had a 109 (of some sort), but I ran out of gas over the ocean and he got away.
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I hate to break anyone's heart here, but there are no underdog rides.
It's not the crate, it's the driver.
PERK DREX!!!!!
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Underdogs : Hurri IIC , D3A , and yak9u
F4u-1a and p47d-30 are also ok :)
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After more thought I am changing my "vote" to the IL2. Getting a fighter kill in that is nothing but joyful :)
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Bf110 g2 - Prolly the c4 too, but nothing *NOTHING* beats blowing a LA-7 up with a few 30mm hits before he can bail :D
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The P39. Too bad AH doesnt have one :(
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109F3. Its my favorite underdog of underdog planes. Favorite underdog is F4f.
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Originally posted by bigUC
Bf110 g2 - Prolly the c4 too, but nothing *NOTHING* beats blowing a LA-7 up with a few 30mm hits before he can bail :D
How about taking on an La-7 and F6F-5 with a SBD and killing both (using only forward guns)? :D
My regards,
Widewing
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Damn it Widewing where do ya keep finding all these NOOBS ?
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Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Damn it Widewing where do ya keep finding all these NOOBS ?
Lol! I guess these Dilberts figured the Dauntless for an easy kill. So, instead of using speed, they both elected to try and turn with the SBD. Bad idea. This little dive bomber is great for taking on TBMs, Ju 88s and the silly n00bs who salivate for the easy mark.
Usually, if I have command of a TG, I launch in a Dauntless and circle the task force. This allows me to get a better picture of what the enemy is doing, and allows me to determine if torpedos are a threat or can be ignored. Sometimes, I find myself closest to incoming aircraft, so I use the SBD to intercept those that I can reach in time. If there are fighters up as well, they tend to get most of the kills, simply because two .50 cal MGs take a while to shoot down bombers. Still, you get a few kills. So far, I have yet to lose one to enemy fighters, but have lost 3 to collisions, augers and friendly ack. All the result of excessive aggression. Silly mistakes, like turning too hard right on the deck, or driving in too close, only to crash into the wreck. :rolleyes:
It's a fun little airplane and entertaining to fly.
My regards.
Widewing