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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Apache on August 15, 2002, 10:20:49 AM
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Now, I've been around the block a few times and idiotic behavior doesn't normally bother me but lastnight was an exception.
Here we are fighting the rooks and having a really good time. Back and forth. They would get the advantage, then we would get it back. Time was flying by and I was really into it.
Suddenly over room channel some of the most disgusting language I've heard in a long time and believe me, I've heard alot, comes blasting out so freakin' loud I had to yank my headset off.
I put my headset back on and this guy is still going off. All because he gets shot down by a lone rook and he didn't get a 6 call.
You mean out of all those folks at this field he's the only one who didn't see the con and it was our fault?
Look behind ya numbnuts. We only been fightin' 'em for the last 2 stinkin' hours.
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I get pissed off too Apache. I'm a Rook and usually as I am on the "sissy silk" I will go to the Range channel and type "not One Check 6", (if I blatantly see someone around me) "fine, enjoy life because I will not 6 ya back". An apology usually transpires, and all is forgiven, fly off into the sunset, etc. etc.
But to get as immature that, I would have squelched him, it (being the channel) or something. Apache, you seem to have yer toejam together so I gather that is indeed what you did.
PS - Let me know next time, I'll shoot em down for ya! :D
Karaya2
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Check Sixes are nice but in the end your own survival rests in your own hands and eyeballs. There are times I'm swooping in and out of a mighty furball and I know the Check Sixes will be rare because everyone has their own problems to contend with and aren't babysitting me with their eyes. There are times I am watching that high Spit above me and the Typhoon closing on me from my 8 and the N1K trying to climb up to me to not notice a country-mate nearby being attacked. It can be aggravating to get nailed, but man, nothing is lost more than maybe one point in your K/D and nothing to stop you from upping again.
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lol Karaya2, I'll take you up on that.
Actually instead of squelching, I listened for a minute or 2 to a couple of guys trying to calm him down. Didn't work, so I logged off.
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That is bad and I agree with you completely. People should always look behind them and not rely on somebody else hollering to check your six.
When I first started playing I knew what a "check six" was but not how to do it. Hadn't figured out the keymapping yet (it was like my first week and was getting use to the switch from AW to AH). Anyway I am flying home and this other pilot in a Tempest (whom I shall not name) gets nailed by an enemy settling on his tail. He never looked behind himself focusing instead on killing another enemy plane.
Anyway he figures its my fault since I did not give him a check six and reups and then follows me around for about 10 minutes just check sixing me constantly. When I asked him to stop he goes off on me about not check sixing him and that I was the reason he lost his tempest. Didn't even listen to me that I knew what a check six was but not how to do it.
But I agree with your main point .. if you don't constantly check your own six view then their is nobody to blame but yourself. Relying on others to watch out for you while you hunt others is a quick way to die.
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Receiving a "check 6" is not a god given right, its a privalage. I am thankful for the ones I get, and have saved my life many times (thanks) - but they are not a SA replacement.
As for the abusive language and such - as long as there are jerks in the world, I am confident we will always recieve more than our fair share in Aces High. All you can do is squelch em. (Channel 1 text has become such a cesspool, I rarely have it unsquelched.)
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He heeeee, isn't it always someone elses fault for your failure? What is real unfortunate is this atitude carries over to real life for some!
Hey, if ya get nailed you are the one who put yourself in the situation. If you feel that others are there only to do your work then perhaps you should find other activities where you are part of a team or something.
The guy who followed ya around giving "check 6" needs to get a job or something where he can learn resposibility:) Ain't this game great:)
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I wish HT would just get rid of the check 6. Make ya use vox. I had one guy cuss me out because I gave him a check 6 right before he was shot down. Said I should have called it sooner. Problem was, I called it when I saw it, but he didn't listen to that.
Just curious, if you squelch somebody, does that squelch any C6 calls they make to you?
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Apache,
If I was in you situation I would have immediately latched on to the dweebs arse and gave him about a 50 check six calls a minute until he moved on with life. I mean after all he wanted a check six so...give the people what they want!!!
Avid
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Squelching someone does squelch "check 6"s from them.
I don't always expect check 6s, but I give them whenever I see a problem. I am still amazed when I'm watching my 6 and see a con heading in with a friendly right behind him. I usually hold my position as long as is safe to get everyone a little closer together. This habit affords me the opportunity to watch how people behave in that situation.
I am amazed at how many will follow an enemy as he dives on you and not say a word on voice or via the check 6. I understand that in a furball things get complex and its nearly impossible to use check 6 effectively. You never really know just who the con is targetting and you could disrupt things by excessive check 6s. I think this is something the person that was complaining was failing to understand. But in an open environment where there is little to no other action... ???
What I hate to see stressed is the attitude that check 6s are some kind of special present that only needs to be given out at Christmas time. I don't expect them, but I don't see why more people don't use it. I view it the same way I view courtesy.
AKDejaVu
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It took me a month to figure out how the Check 6 thingy worked. Took me two more weeks to map a button to do it (I remapped my keys so that they synched up with my other flight sims, and in so doing I somehow managed to break the Check 6 key). Until I figured it all out, I usually got on the Range mic and started babbling "Uh, check 6, there, you!" and then felt embarassed when all the guys around me started swerving around.
But at least I didn't vent all over the microphone and tie up radio bandwidth that could've been better used calling out targets.
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Names, Apache, we need names.
Any tool blaming others for their inability look to backwards must be ostracized
...as an aside, I am very tired of being told how stupid I and the rest of the folks not doing "approved missions" are by the self proclaimed leaders of the knits.
STFU, I don't care about resets. I don't care if we lose some bases near HQ. I fly to have fun and I will go anywhere on the map to find it, regardless of its current worth to our "illustrious leaders".
F.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
I am amazed at how many will follow an enemy as he dives on you and not say a word on voice or via the check 6. I understand that in a furball things get complex and its nearly impossible to use check 6 effectively. You never really know just who the con is targetting and you could disrupt things by excessive check 6s. I think this is something the person that was complaining was failing to understand. But in an open environment where there is little to no other action... ???
AKDejaVu
Exactly, I stopped counting the times a conga line of friendlies were chasing the conn on my 6 with nary a call.
Depend on my wingman, then a squad m8 for a "6" call other than that.. it must be christmas christmas present ;)
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The only ones who you should expect a check 6 from are your squadmates. Other than that, you take them as they come and forget about it if they don't.
It's not any other player's responsibility to give you a check six unless you have an agreement that you will cover each other (I.E. squadmates, wingman buddies)
Just because it's an option in game, doesn't mean the other guy has to use it. It's like all the other game play issues out there.
And in case you are wondering, I DO send check six whenever possible.
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The CHECK6 "feature" is IMO the most worthless idea in AH as it promotes people to get lazy and blame others for their failures. I don't give check 6's using that feature (if I do I'll use the text radio), and I don't want them to the point where I long ago deleted the .wav for it.
Far from saving me, they're just an annoyance. I haven't been shot down by an unseen plane since January I think. 90% of the CHECK6's I get (still seem it in the text, even with no sound) are when the enemy is 3K away in front of me.
I guess, in response to DejaVu, I don't view them as a courtesy, but as an annoyance.
J_A_B
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I understand your point DJ and give 6 calls as I can. In this case, just as I come out of a wingover and look over my right wing, I see this guy blowing up so I for one didn't have a chance to assist him. As for anyone else, I can't say.
Although I guess I could have told him it "was" a P38 but I don't think that would have helped much at the time. He wasn't to keen on listening, lol.
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Ya, I know Apache. Its easy to see how its just not possible to give a check 6 in time. I know how you play in the arena well enough to know what you would or wouldn't do there. This other individual obviously did not.
Not many people understand that it isn't always easy to give a 6 call in time.
What really disappoints me in these threads is a mentality that I see virtually everywhere I go. The "its not my job so why should I bother" mentality.
Oh well... you get used to that in the MA too.
AKDejaVu
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"What really disappoints me in these threads is a mentality that I see virtually everywhere I go. The "its not my job so why should I bother" mentality. "
Well, which would you rather see? That on the BBS, or some guy in-game who thinks it IS everyone's job ranting and whining like a fool because he died?
J_A_B
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AKDejaVu I disagree with your assessment of this thread. Except for a few, I don't think people are saying "its not my job so why should I bother" what they are saying is its not a god given right to chew other people out for not giving you a check six. Everyone is busy flying their own plane and in many cases a person simply spots something too late to give a check six call or they haven't figured out how to do so (was my case 1 year ago and I am still not clear how to target the right person for one when their is a pack of people in my view .. so I end up giving them to a ton of people to make sure the right guys gets it) or they might have their own problem like trying to keep their plane in the air while part of a wing is blown off or something.
What I think most people here are saying is that they do their best to give a check six when then can but if they don't that it does not give the other person the right to start cussing somebody out on open channel, private channel, or following them around and harassing them.
When I fly my focus is on wingman first, my squadmates next, and my countrymen third and I do my best as others do to warn people when I can but you simply can't do it all the time.
And yes, there will always be people who don't give it no matter what just like their will be people that will follow your kill to the ground pumping lead into it to try to get credit, or shooting over your shoulder, or cutting in front of you. It happens and the only real thing you can do about it is make sure they are not in your squad and then just ignore it instead of getting angry about it.
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You can turn off everything except the country channel. This is a source of constant irritation for me. We have a 6 call button. There is no reason to make us read the sophomoric nonsense that shows up in there all the time.
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You die because you weren't intelligent enough to look out your own back window, it's your fault. Plain and simple. Ranting and raving to your countrymates about how they failed in their duties to warn you of imminent danger will do nothing except make them even more likely not to warn you in the future.
Stop complaining to everyone else about your complete lack of situational awareness. Certainly stop complaining over the vox because there are actually people who may be using it to call and identify targets. Use your eyes. That's what they are there for.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
The CHECK6 "feature" is IMO the most worthless
I guess, in response to DejaVu, I don't view them as a courtesy, but as an annoyance.
J_A_B
And you sir, are a member of a VERY small minority that feels this way.
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Originally posted by ghostdancer
AKDejaVu I disagree with your assessment of this thread. Except for a few, I don't think people are saying "its not my job so why should I bother" what they are saying is its not a god given right to chew other people out for not giving you a check six.
I never defended the person's actions. I think he was comletely in the wrong. But then people show up with militant "its your own damn fault" and "why should I call someone's 6?" mentalities. Those are the ones that drive comments such as the one I made here.
Someone didn't get a check 6 and acted like an ass. That's all there is to it in that regard.
A bunch of people take that and use it as some kind of proof of something in regards to the "check 6" feature citing all sorts of reasons why people wouldn't or shouldn't give 6 calls. Thats the norm in that regard.
AKDejaVu
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C'mon guys, what really amazes me is that hardly anyone has actually mentioned the fact that blowing up over a stupid game is highly inappropriate and immature, and swearing over an open channel is just plain wrong.
With all the just plain sick and twisted games out there, I'd love it if I could recommend AH as a challenging historical multiplayer flight sim to kids, but of late the kind of language that gets typed or spoken in the MA makes that impossible. I wish that wasn't the case. In what way is our gaming experience improved by having to deal with foulmouthed hotheads?
- Seagoon
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I'm assuming you're talking about that "Gol4" guy Apache? I was right north of him when it happened. It was pretty funny how wrapped around the axle he was. He definitely needed a time out. I just squelched and moved on.
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Apache.
I was in a turn and burn at about 2K feet and seen red and green icons flash by. Ya know, your are trying to keep in the turn, plus watch your up and back view. Well I got out of it and was leveling off when I get two quick "Check 6" calls. So without looking I go into a tight climbing turn and look behind me. Nothing!
I level out again. Again I get 2 "Check 6" calls from the same guy. Once again I go into a turn to aviod. Once again there is nothing on my 6.
I receive a private message from this (guy, kid, boy) "That's how you use a 6 call, Swagger"
Huh?
This twit goes on telling me I did not call a 6 for him right before he got shot down! I told him I did not see anything and if I did I would call it. He told me BS and I'm a liar!
Now Apache you know me. I call a 6 anytime I see a person in possible danger. Why do people have to be like this? Because they have to lash out at someone! They failed, so they want to blame someone else!
Well next time this certain guy, boy, or kid acussed me of not calling a 6 for him, he'll be correct!! I will sit there and watch him die.
Shallow little basitage, aint I??
:)
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I always squelch that guy, he drives me up the friggen wall.
There are a few people that never shut up on local, for any reason..you'll get used to who they are and learn to squelch them..
Originally posted by Raubvogel
I'm assuming you're talking about that "Gol4" guy Apache? I was right north of him when it happened. It was pretty funny how wrapped around the axle he was. He definitely needed a time out. I just squelched and moved on.
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"And you sir, are a member of a VERY small minority that feels this way."
I know, but when has THAT ever stopped me? :D
J_A_B
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Another problem with the Check 6 feature, at least in my case, is that I use it on the conservative side and so won't always give people a Check 6 if I'm unsure of the situation. This is because there have been several times I'm lining up a shot on an enemy aircraft to receive a Check 6 from someone and so I have to break and look to see what's behind me to find nothing and realize my country-mate thinks the bandit in front of me was on my six and by then I've lost my firing solution. So I'm careful to actually understand what I'm seeing before I give a Check 6 lest I ruin a shot for someone. I'm sure I'm not perfect at it though and there have been times I grumble to myself about the lack of assisting each other.
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:D
So I'm hairballin over an enemy CV group in a Spit V, bagged 2 or 3 planes and 2 or 3 PT boats. I'm ravo ranchero's to the wall on the deck gettin out of Dodge as fast as the V will let me, clear the mass, base in site motivating just off the water...
Get two CHECK SIX messages from the same guy, scissor hard looking back and there's no one there...NOBODY. Snap to the forward view just as my wing hits the water.........
The look on my dogs face when I busted out the kitchen door lookin for him was pathetic...the poor bastage.........
Country voice channel is set up as my "space" key. It's the biggest one there. I six call in voice. The key call is dangerous.
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I personaly have gottin saved much more by guys using the mics that are near me...but if you aint scaning the sky,you are slacking,and cant squeak if ya pay the price...though it does help to whine and squeak sometimes,but not really lol
Corn