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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kevin14 on August 16, 2002, 09:17:21 AM
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Since I'm American I can only read mph, but everyone else not in the US can read metric, so
In the Flight options in the setup menu you could select the type of speedometer that applies to you?
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it should be aircraft specific IMO
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Yep, same here. Craft specific
Captured German planes and vice versa weren't automatically touched up with the capturing country's language.
Karaya2
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cc Karaya. I can speak fluent Rook, but Bish gave me a tough time. I think its a deviation of Klingon!
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Are you talking about the 'Airspeed Indicator'? :p
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I agree, I think planes should have the same markings and measurements used as they actually had in real life, i.e. metric for the German planes etc.
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If the marking were real, or true to historical fact, would'nt the airspeed indicator be measured in knots?
Or is it already?
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both
I think it should be like the cars of today reading both in metric and mph'S
LOL J/K
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The reason HTC only uses MPH is because most of their subscribers are US citizens and having to convert kph and meters to mph and feet is a handicap that the pilots of these aircraft would never have had. It is more realistic, from a performance standpoint, to have the cockpit display data in units that are immediately understood.
That said, I think that an option to switch everything to metric would be good for non-US subscribers as they currently have to convert mph and feet to kph and meters and that isn't really fair.
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I must admit that I have been sorta brainwashed by the pure imperial units used in AH.
For all other purposes I swear to metric units, but when talking about aviation and I see that some plane might have a SL speed of 570 kph, I need to convert it to mph to be able to relate to it :)
Still I am all for having the planes use whatever unit they really did.
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Kevin... they still not teaching any metric in the US???!!
alotta these old guys will never be able to figure out metric... but yourself.... your a kid, learn metric +) it won't hurt ya..
SKurj
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we British are smart enough to use both :p
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what are they marked in now???
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what a complete load of old hogwash that is!!
a disadvantage to americans because they cant convert to metric??
We use mph in the UK but most of europe use metric. Its easy to go from one to the other and to claim otherwise is to claim yourself stupid.
British planes have the boost system instead of manifold pressure and obviously once you've flown them once you will know that there is no difference. the needle inside a circular readout tells you the information, whats printed on the face behind the needle is almost irrelevant once you know the rough position it should be for any given objective(fuel conservation etc).
the aircraft creaks at high speeds and gives stall warning at low speeds (or sounds like a stall) so there really is no need to do anything but scan the dials.I cannot believe someone is trying to claim they are at a disadvantage because they refuse to use their brains.
I would like to see the real dials for all planes! if the russian one is different and hard to read you fly them for a while and 'what do you know!' you learn to understand them.its easy.
we would get used to them within a couple of days.well of course that is, unless youre American!. That really is a very funny claim and one that i wouldnt go shouting about if i was from the US. its embarrasin' :D
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wait, you guys use instruments?!?!
and why's it so hard for you to work out metric anyway?
its piss easy compared to the imperial
12 inch in 1 foot, 3 feet in a yard, god knows how many yards in a mile (both of them)
10mm in 1cm, 100cm in a 1m, 1000m in a 1km
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Originally posted by SKurj
Kevin... they still not teaching any metric in the US???!!
alotta these old guys will never be able to figure out metric... but yourself.... your a kid, learn metric +) it won't hurt ya..
SKurj
Ok, then maybe they should change the airspeed indicators to centimeters per hour? :p
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Originally posted by Karnak
...having to convert kph and meters to mph and feet is a handicap that the pilots of these aircraft would never have had. It is more realistic, from a performance standpoint, to have the cockpit display data in units that are immediately understood...
Exactly
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I'm curious as to what difference it makes what units are used to measure speed on aircraft. It doesn't matter if it is mph, kph, warp factor, mach, or some other randomly assigned metric. Who cares?
Being a proud American, it pains me to see statements such as, "We are at a disadvantage because it isn't the way we use!" You learned how to fly, you at one point learned how to convert inches into feet, feet into yards, etc. The point is that at one point in your life, you learned these tasks. Although it's been a number of years since I was in school, I recall quite clearly learning how both the Imperial system and the metric system worked. I also remember being taught how to convert between both systems. If they are no longer taught today, it only further proves exactly how poor the education system here has become.
It is actually frightening that such attitudes are prevalent. Why doesn't everyone speak like we speak? Why doesn't everyone use the same money we do? Why doesn't everyone ..... sorry, I guess I got off on a little tirade.
Instead of claiming ignorance, and then using that as an excuse, use your brain. Figure it out, and quit proving the "Americans are a bloated, gluttonous, power-hungry bunch of ignorant salamanders" image that prevails throughout the world.
Oh, by the way, 1 mile = 1.609344 kilometers.
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Originally posted by jonnyb
"Americans are a bloated, gluttonous, power-hungry bunch of ignorant salamanders" image that prevails throughout the world.
You forgot 'Big Headed' and 'Stupid'
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Originally posted by BenDover
You forgot 'Big Headed' and 'Stupid'
as the brits said in WWII "americans are over sexed, over paid and over here..........."
well u know what my grandfathers words were to a brit that told him that "You know y we're over sexed? probably cuz u just can't please your women. u know y were over paid? cuz most of us agree that we really would rather not be fighting your war we should be fighting the japs. you know y were over here? cuz u can't win your own damn war we have to be over here to try and win it for you.." then he punched the guy in the face and said "and tonight i am not going to pay your wife afterwards"
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that was written in a letter back home to my great uncle.......
and speedometers well i say they are there for looks i can usually ell how fast i am going by the way my plane handles
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Metric Shmetric
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!!!!!
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IMHO metric is a must!
Thank god that HTC is US. If it where a german company u US-boys had to fly ur Pee-51 with metric gauges - would u like it?
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As long as they don't put the steering wheel on the right and make me drive down the wrong side of the road, I'm ok with metric.
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Originally posted by hazed-
what a complete load of old hogwash that is!!
a disadvantage to americans because they cant convert to metric??
We use mph in the UK but most of europe use metric. Its easy to go from one to the other and to claim otherwise is to claim yourself stupid.
British planes have the boost system instead of manifold pressure and obviously once you've flown them once you will know that there is no difference. the needle inside a circular readout tells you the information, whats printed on the face behind the needle is almost irrelevant once you know the rough position it should be for any given objective(fuel conservation etc).
the aircraft creaks at high speeds and gives stall warning at low speeds (or sounds like a stall) so there really is no need to do anything but scan the dials.I cannot believe someone is trying to claim they are at a disadvantage because they refuse to use their brains.
I would like to see the real dials for all planes! if the russian one is different and hard to read you fly them for a while and 'what do you know!' you learn to understand them.its easy.
we would get used to them within a couple of days.well of course that is, unless youre American!. That really is a very funny claim and one that i wouldnt go shouting about if i was from the US. its embarrasin' :D
exactly. i rarely look at the airspeed indicator, unless im flying a plane that is easy to overspeed like the P38 (maybe once a week,) the P51 (once a month...if that) or the squad goes on a mission and i am forced to fly the air sausage.
what hazed said about the circular dial is bang on. To me it is not a gauge that measures my airspeed in MPH, KPH or hogsheads. It is more of a "percentage" gauge.
What i mean is 360 degrees on the gauge, if im about to come to 320 or so degrees i slow the heck down (unless im running from a fight.) But by this time the wings are creaking so the fact that im hauling severe arse is not a big suprise.
Think of it his way. When driving a car how many people look at the speedometer every few seconds....let alone constantly. Those who do, if any, must go through several cars per year due to accidents. You just know how fast you are going.
True in real life and with 3 true dimensions it is easier, but the same principles apply. While i was down in the states i didnt get one speeding ticket or piss anyone off for driving to slow...and my dash reads in KPH.
My motorcycle's speedo light doesnt work so you cant read the gauge at night on the highway..and nope never got a speeding ticket on that either. And everytime i pass a light on the side of the road...my speedo is pegged on 110 KPH. How? because i am used to using audible clues (whine of any given RPM, wind noise, etc...) JUST LIKE IN AH!
Change the gauges in AH to metric if you like; or leave them the way they are. It wont make a lick of difference to me :)
Hugs and Kisses,
Loser111
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HT said not a while ago and I think it's much more than he being himself. It's because it's part of the code in the cockpit there's no way around it unless they modify the code greatly. So I dunno maybe in the future someday ,somehow, in another online sim, in a galaxy far, far, away, we might get accurate gauges for each individual aircraft.
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ok first what the sam hell is metric??? lol no they didnt teach it 2nd im to old ta learn 3rd i think all planes should correspond to there native origin not to USA mathmatics and language, 4th my brain is fried from using those 10dollar words:D
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According to my Canadian friends Bob and Doug, all you have to do to convert is double it and add thirty. so 5 degrees....40
So a metric six pack is 42 metric beers. As soon as this is well known in the US, change will happen rapidly.
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Fully agree on gauges. It doesn't matter if you read mph or km/h.
There is only 1 difficulty I have with the non metric system. For example I'm on 15k alt (feet). I see an enemy icon right below me in a distance of 3k (yards). My poor (continental) european brain starts working... :D
Wtf is that bogey's altitude? So I would prefer icon distances in feet (or altitude in yards).
And btw: mix of metric and non metric systems would make communication rather confusing. Call it the "Hubble effect". :D
wnz
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what would be nice is if we could get option to either have the read outs in metric or imperial
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My Bent friend we can only hope they implement it! :eek:
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For the last time!!!
I'm NOT that Ben Dover:mad:
:eek:
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Oh yes ruuuuuaght :D
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English is the international language of aviation.
American is the international gauguage of aviation.
(putting on helmet and flak vest and running for dugout)
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Oh Yes Halo but read in aircraft the Airspeed is read as Knots not MPH and miles are read in NM. But what we're asking is for historical gauges for the aircraft that had them like Metric gauges for German ,Japanese ,Russian Aircraft. Heck I don't know how to use Metric that well , I'm accostumed to using the American measurement system but I'd like it, to not only be accurate, also help those from the other parts of the world who play and Pay AH to get the option to select either Metric or English to their liking. Also mind you all aircraft were not American and this might be a shock to you, it is an American game, but it's played and payed internationally.
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English is the language of international aviation radio communication. Knots/hour was the airspeed unit for U.S. Naval and USAAF aircraft.
Miles/hour was the airspeed unit of some U.S. Army aircraft i.e. P38, P-40. and kilometers/hour was the airspeed unit for Japanese and German aircraft.
I thought that knots/hour was the commonwealth unit. Is that correct? My father flew Mossies for the RCAF and always used knots. Every plane I've ever flown in the US has been in knots. How in the heck do all of us do it?
It is just easier to use the same gauge image for all cockpits. Changing code for unit conversion is not difficult and changing gauge images are not difficult. But they require time and motivation to do it. As all code changes in any software...
It's pretty sad that only 2 countries on earth have a general population unable to grasp the metric system. I don't know if it's pig-headed stubborness or the lack of intellect. One is in Africa and the other is the U.S.
Fullback
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I only learned metric at shool my car and everything around me is measured in metric system.(the most logic system in the world no doubt)
But for planes somehow i want it mph. I,m just used to it because i played to many sims.
For german planes it should be more realistic to use the metric system.
Anyway
just divide or multiply with 1.608 i always knew this is to hard for US citizens :D
we count to 10 not to 13,345627 hehehe metric it's so logic
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damn 10 number system, we should have gone with an 8 number system, really are thumbs fingers? would be much more fun 1-2-4- 8-16-32-64-128-256-512 wow isn't that logic .. why's 10 logic cause you have 10 # counting system i guess..
and after all 8 is based on 1 which is why computers use it .. that's logic in my book .. get rid of the 10 number system!
Stop giveing americans crap about not useing metric ...we do .. how do you think we buy our drugs LOL!
stupid people squeaking about metric what do you know ..... nothing .. kinda like me but at least i'll admit it(while pointing out why your wrong). :rolleyes:
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Well if you ask me it doesn't make that much of a difference. The planes I fly in RL have different airspeed indicators, so when I fly a 182, I see the airspeed in knots; when I fly the CAP-10 (french airplane), I see the airspeed in Km/h, and when I fly the PA-23 Aztec it's MPH.
Just remember their respective stall speeds and you're fine :D
Daniel
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what a complete load of old hogwash that is!!
a disadvantage to americans because they cant convert to metric?? rubish!
Hey I never claimed that! :) Though I don't use the metric system doesn't I can't learn it and besides I hardly ever use intruments anyways.
IMO the reason behind having these guages is they're based on a P51 which they ready access to. Now it's much easier and speeds up the process to slap them in every cockpit rather than design new ones.
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Originally posted by NOD2000
as the brits said in WWII "americans are over sexed, over paid and over here..........."
well u know what my grandfathers words were to a brit that told him that "You know y we're over sexed? probably cuz u just can't please your women. u know y were over paid? cuz most of us agree that we really would rather not be fighting your war ...
I also heard that when taunted with the over sexed, overpaid, and over here jibe, US servicemen were heard to reply that the Brits were
"under sexed, underpaid and under Eisenhower!"
:mad: >RANT START<:mad:
NB.I am Swedish and have no interest in claiming to be on the side of the 'victors' or 'losers'.
TheSecond World War was a horrible mistake that could have been avoided.
If hear one more person claiming that 'The Americans Won The War" or "The Battle of Britain won the War" or "Such and Such an incident/person/political decision/aircraft/tank/gun/atom bomb/fairy cake won the war" I will scream.
The notion of anyone having won the war is risible. Millions died, and whichever way you look at it, it's a pretty Phyrric Victory) - and for those of you that must be able to point at one thing and say 'it won the war' then you could do worse than point at Stalin and the USSR. If that non agression pact had actually held (although it was a doomed mistake by Stalin) then it would've been a very different story...
>RANT END<:)
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no doubt! what's so tough about metric ?
at least it's divisible by tens.
Inches and feet, miles per hour.. it's a tough cookie to swallow if you weren't born into it.
divisions of 12 or 6 or 60.. weird.
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Originally posted by Manedew
damn 10 number system, we should have gone with an 8 number system, really are thumbs fingers? would be much more fun 1-2-4- 8-16-32-64-128-256-512 wow isn't that logic .. why's 10 logic cause you have 10 # counting system i guess..
and after all 8 is based on 1 which is why computers use it .. that's logic in my book .. get rid of the 10 number system!
Stop giveing americans crap about not useing metric ...we do .. how do you think we buy our drugs LOL!
stupid people squeaking about metric what do you know ..... nothing .. kinda like me but at least i'll admit it(while pointing out why your wrong). :rolleyes:
The system computers use is a binary system. Base 2. We also have a base 8 (octal), the standard base 10 (decimal) and base 16 (hexadecimal).
Funny thing is that you used the decimal system to try to convince us that a base-8 number system is actually the powers of 2, which in turn is really based on 1. Interesting theory ;). In reality, the octal system was developed and based on the binary system, with a 3-bit limitation. Therefore, you can only have the numbers 0-7 as valid octal numbers.
so, to count the powers of 2 as far as you did in octal you would have:
1,2,4,10,20,40,100,200,400,1000
Just nitpicking :)