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Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Duedel on August 19, 2002, 04:21:00 AM
I like to suggest to release new planes with the beginning of each new tour (maybe 1 (or 2 or 3 :) ) plane(s) / vehicle(s)) independent of new patches / versions.

Why? Cause it would give us something to look forward for in terms of shorter periods of time and the whole 2 week thing would become obsolete (regarding new planes).
For me sometimes it's really hard to wait for new toys (yes I'm impatient).

But: would only makes sense if not to much has to be done to realize this.
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Mitsu on August 19, 2002, 04:37:45 AM
I remembered beta tour. :)
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Wilbus on August 19, 2002, 05:14:01 AM
Hehe yup Mitsu. Good idea Duedel, think it's been brought up before so we can only hope. Would be nice to have planes added with shorter intervals.
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Saintaw on August 19, 2002, 05:42:17 AM
I seriously doubt that any of them HTC staff are slackers... I think they're doing what they can :)

I'd personally go for improvements/bug fixes instead of new kites, but then... I'd be siding with Brady ;)
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Wilbus on August 19, 2002, 05:46:29 AM
Would rather go for that too Saw but new planes would be nice too ;)
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Kweassa on August 19, 2002, 07:45:26 AM
I think asking new planes for every new tour is bit of pushing it.

 But I do think giving facelifts to one old plane per tour would be good.
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Masherbrum on August 19, 2002, 08:16:22 AM


Karaya2
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: AKDejaVu on August 19, 2002, 09:12:17 AM
Seems to me that HTC would want to add as many planes to this game as is possible.  Also seems that threads like this simlar to slapping them in the face with a dead trout.

AKDejaVu
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Duedel on August 19, 2002, 10:18:34 AM
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Seems to me that HTC would want to add as many planes to this game as is possible.  Also seems that threads like this simlar to slapping them in the face with a dead trout.

AKDejaVu


And? Why should HTC not implement as many planes as the want if they release the planes after each tour?

Dead trout, why?

Sry DejaVu but do u really read this thread or did u post just to post something- reminds me of my girlfriend who likes to talk just for the fun of talking :D ?
I would suggest u to explain the things u say or else it's really hard for me to understand ur intentions or to take things serious.
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: AKDejaVu on August 19, 2002, 10:25:16 AM
Duedel, please take a moment and think about it.

Do you honestly believe that HTC has not thought about the pros and cons of releasing every aircraft the second its done?  I mean really?

AKDejaVu
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Masherbrum on August 19, 2002, 10:39:18 AM
I'm in agreement with the Oregonian.

Karaya2
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Duedel on August 19, 2002, 10:58:28 AM
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Duedel, please take a moment and think about it.

Do you honestly believe that HTC has not thought about the pros and cons of releasing every aircraft the second its done?  I mean really?

AKDejaVu


Yep sure Deja but do u really think that things can't change? I guess HTC has thought about 80% of the topics that are posted here on the BB before the poster even got the idea. So why bother?

I'm with Kweassa, maybe it's too tough to release one plane / vehicle every tour but a  facelift could be OK.

It's just a suggestion, nothing more, cause I would like to see new planes / vehicles at regular intervals.
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Duedel on August 19, 2002, 11:21:39 AM
BTW I dont say HTC should release more planes than before i only say they should release them independent of new patches.
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: AKDejaVu on August 19, 2002, 11:23:18 AM
"Please release aircraft sooner" is not an idea.  Its simply informing HTC that you'd like things faster than they are willing to release them.

AKDejaVu
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Duedel on August 19, 2002, 11:34:11 AM
Jesus, Deja it's simply totally uninteresting nonrelevant and unimportant if my initial post was an idea or a brain fart, further on many posts are (in ur language) only simple informations for HTC:

- I want another map
- I suggest to kill the killshooter
- I want the Me410
- I want a bigger...
- I want AKDejaVu to stop replying at my thread ;)

Whats wrong with informations?
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Superfly on August 19, 2002, 12:33:05 PM
If we released aircraft every tour, we'd never have time to make/fix anything else in the game.  I think you are very mistaken on how long it takes to make a new plane ready for the game.  Of course, the really silly part of this whole argument is that we put out more updates to our game in 6 months than most games do in one year or more.
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Shiva on August 19, 2002, 12:58:51 PM
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If we released aircraft every tour, we'd never have time to make/fix anything else in the game. I think you are very mistaken on how long it takes to make a new plane ready for the game.


I could see maybe releasing variants of existing planes on a faster schedule, but not completely new planes.  For example, the Me-262A-1a/U1, with 2x20mm MG151/20, 2x30mm MK103, and 2x30mm MK 108 (only 3 made, so don't get your hopes up, anyone) would take a lot less time to implement than a completely new airframe. Or the A-2a, with only 2x30mm MK 108, but can carry 2 500-lb bombs as a jabo. Adding armament variations is much less complicated. But then we'd hear people griping about how "All we got was a new flavor of [insert plane heree]; we didn't get anything new", which puts HTC right back in the same spot they were before, so I don't see where making the extra effort to pump out new planes just because Duedel's bored with the ones he's got is a justifiable expenditure of effort on HTC's part; I'd rather see them working to address parts of the game that increase the enjoyment of the game regardless of what plane you're flying.
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Duedel on August 19, 2002, 01:05:55 PM
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
If we released aircraft every tour, we'd never have time to make/fix anything else in the game.  I think you are very mistaken on how long it takes to make a new plane ready for the game.  Of course, the really silly part of this whole argument is that we put out more updates to our game in 6 months than most games do in one year or more.


When i recall it right it was 2 till 6 weeks for a fighter / bomber but i maybe wrong here.
As i stated in my initial post it would only makes sense if not to much work has to be done to realize this (make a "scheduled" patch each month).
So i guess ur reply was a no or 0 in HiTechs words :D
The silly part i dont get cause its a totally different thing to release new versions with many many planes added or to make a sceduled patch with one plane or one facelift.
So thx for reply SUPERFLY and go on with ur great work
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Duedel on August 19, 2002, 01:14:19 PM
Wow Shiva

>Duedel's bored with the ones he's got ...

where do u read this?

I'm not bored (how could i the 190A5 is already in the planeset) but very very exited when new planes comes out!
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: SunKing on August 19, 2002, 01:14:56 PM
I like it the way it is.. like Xmas 3 times a year.
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Shiva on August 19, 2002, 01:49:12 PM
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>Duedel's bored with the ones he's got ...

where do u read this?


If you're not bored with the planes we've got, then why do you need one or more new plane(s) or vehicle(s) coming out every month? Let HTC bring them out at their own rate, rather than pressuring them to release something just to meet some arbitrary release schedule.
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Duedel on August 19, 2002, 02:01:54 PM
Look Shiva:

Current planeset = FUN
Current planeset + additional planes = MORE FUN

Got it? Sure!
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Spout on August 19, 2002, 03:30:30 PM
Scary....
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: hitech on August 19, 2002, 04:21:16 PM
It's not realy doable, once we finish patches, we are frozen from release until the next version is complete. And any new plane requires a new FE release.
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Mitsu on August 20, 2002, 01:40:57 AM
Question for SUPERFLY and NATEDOG...

How much time do you use to model each fighter and bomber?
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Duedel on August 20, 2002, 01:43:19 AM
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Originally posted by hitech
It's not realy doable, once we finish patches, we are frozen from release until the next version is complete. And any new plane requires a new FE release.


Thx for explanation HiTech
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Shiva on August 20, 2002, 08:14:24 AM
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Current planeset = FUN
Current planeset + additional planes = MORE FUN

Got it? Sure!


I don't disagree that having more planes in the planeset would be more fun. What I disagree with is the "It's been a month; drop whatever you're doing and give me a new plane" attitude (I keep getting the mental image of an five-year-old kid screaming "But I want it NOW!"); having done software development for more than twenty years, I know that there's a lot more work going on behind the scenes than just what you see in a new patch or version, and yanking the production staff away from development just to crank out an incremental release delays the next version.

For myself, I'm hoping that somewhere down the development trail, HTC gets far enough ahead that they can do some of the 'planes that almost were' for an occasional "WWII:1946" special event -- the planes that amost got into the war: P-80, F7F, F8F, the really late-model P-47s, Do-335, Go-229, Ta-183, Shinden, Kikka, Shusui...  But that's likely to be a long time coming; there's still so much more that can be done with the planes and vehicles that were widely used during the war, as well as the sim itself, that the 'what if's and 'might have been's are so low-priority they're not even visible.
Title: Release new planes each tour
Post by: Mox on August 20, 2002, 09:32:15 AM
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Originally posted by Mitsu
Question for SUPERFLY and NATEDOG...

How much time do you use to model each fighter and bomber?


At the con Natedog said it takes him "about" 3 weeks for a fighter.

CON DISCLAIMER:
There was a lot of alcohol at the con so I could have heard incorrectly.  :D