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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Maverick on August 19, 2002, 01:17:49 PM
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As for me, if there is a strike I think the season should end immediately. No pay, no sold tickets for the remainder of the season, no unemployment. These players and owners make far too much money for what they do. It's time they learned to do something to serve the public, not rip it off.
Same goes for other sports as well.
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The last strike put an end to any interest in baseball for me...I was a huge Blue-Jays fan right up until then.
Going on strike again..frankly I don't give a damn.
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A lot of season-ticket holders would be very disappointed if the season were cancelled. I personally wouldn't care - my home team is out of the pennant race. Baseball has taken a slide in popularity over the past 30 years, and really took a backseat when basketball became the hot ticket during the Summer in the '90s. A strike would probably end baseball as you and I know it today. After that, the only good baseball would be in Japan and Mexico.
I agree - baseball players are way overpaid. Football and hockey players, on the other hand, deserve more money. After all, these are the guys that end their careers with crippling injuries.
Season ticket holders might need to file a claim and seek reparations for their losses.
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The players want the starting salary to be $300,000 a year. They play a game. I don't care how good they are at it, it's still a game. I say we all go watch the minor league games myself. More like what baseball started out as.
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What's baseball? I'm from Chicago.
Charon
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I'll sink money into AAA ball. If they strike to HELL with them. The ONLY reason I came back was the McGwire-Sosa HR chase. The players are conceited amazinhunks who make too much money. Bonds? My simple response "Sid Bream"
Pay-Rod? You aren't worth what you are making. You have ALWAYS been a selfish player.
If they strike, diddly em.
Karaya2
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I could care less; I've never been a fan of baseball.
In fact I hope they do strike and some of those poor millionaires will need to get a real job. (yeah, they’re all so under paid).
No major sport athletes are worth what they get paid! Not one!
I feel for the small people that will lose a lot of money if there’s a strike…
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bye bye baseball
SKurj
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I don't think it's going to happen. A Canadian team hasn't won the World Series, two years in a row. And it doens't look like a Canadian team will win this year.
However, if they do strike. Fek 'em all. I hope magor league baseball goes under.
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ya know, it's all become about the almighty dollar....
i say fire them all, and let the people who want to play because they LOVE THE GAME, play.
that's what it's all about, or at least, that's what any sport should be about, the LOVE OF THE GAME.
i can't believe the audacity these hugahunks have. Hell, I'd learn to brave a 90+ mph fast ball for 300K a year. it's a fargin game. it's supposed to be fun.
shut up and play. isn't that why you play the game, cuz you love it? or do you love money more....uhh huh?
think about the statement, "America's past time".....well, it was...when they actually "liked" to "play" the game. Not "Pay" to "Play."
shut up and play.
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No balls 2 strikes I'm out!!
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Its definately a skill related job. These guys are great at what they do. Personally, I don't believe that $300,000 per year is that high of a minimum salary given that they will be away from home 81 days a year guaranteed (More like 100 after spring training) and given that there aren't many that can do the job at the same level. I also seriously doubt this affects a very large percentage of the players.
What I don't like is their refusal to instute drug tests (esp. steroids testing) and the ridiculous salaries at the top end of the spectrum. I just can't muster up much sympathy for multi-millionairs complaining about unfair labor practices.
I just went to a game on the 13th. I went with a friend who's a Boston fan (Game was in Seattle). To go... I had to promise to take the wife to a different game since we could not find 3 seats together at the Boston game. Now it looks like that game won't happen.
Oh well... as long as the Yankees keep paying the big bucks for the players, the smaller markets are going to suffer. I say we simply blame New York and have them pay all of baseball's salaries.
AKDejaVu
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Frigemall. I can't believe the money! The owners are no better. They get subsidized by the cities and states.
Let me see...I want to open a business and the city has to build my building and supply customers. If they don't supply enough customers, I don't pay rent. What a racket!
A bunch or prima donnas and aholes.
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The sooner they strike the sooner we can try to get a better sport to fill the summer void that has me falling asleep in front of the tv watching perhaps the most boring sport ever.
Give me NBA starting after the super bowl then you'll have playoffs ending just before football starts.
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Give me NBA starting after the super bowl then you'll have playoffs ending just before football starts.
And then they can go out on strike.
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Both sides are asinine in this.
Players. Fek 'em. If they as a union want the minimum salary to be $300,000, then have the top paid players donate some of their salary to bump up the players at current minimum. Pay-Rod himself can probably support 100 of them. :rolleyes:
Owners. go out and spend $400 mil on a stadium and complain about being financially in debt. Well, duh!
MLB is the only major sport in the US that does not have a salary cap. In fact, the luxury tax that exists now is hardly anything, and the only thing stopping the Yankees from spending more is Steinbrenner's pocket. The Yanks have a payroll that's about 2/3 more than the NFL salary cap for a team. This is coming from a 25 man roster while NFL teams have a 54 man roster (of course, you can skirt the salary cap with signing bonuses and incentive clauses, but that can land you in salary cap hell. See Dallas and the Niners for examples, tho the Niners are starting to come out of it now.) Half as many players, nearly 70% larger payroll.
There's really two people to blame in all of this. Scott Boras and Donald Fehr. Boras and his "market value" for star players is directly responsible for the ballooning player salaries. Fehr is just about greed. He doesn't care about the game at all. None of the vocal players do either. There might be some players that do care about the game and would play even with a firm salary cap in place.
Baseball needs several things. First, a bullet through the head of Boras and Fehr. Preferably line them up and just use one shot, they aren't worth expending a round a piece on. Second, revenue sharing based off of actual revenue, not off of perceived market size. Third, a hard team salary cap (phased in so as not to void most current contracts.) Fourth, a league set "market value" cap on individual players based on years in the league and performance (the NBA has something similar.) This one would take place immediately. Pay-Rod's contract is immediately voided by the league. $25,000,000/yr. Ted Williams in his prime mixed with the power of Barry Bonds, mixed with the fielding of Willie Mays, mixed with Lou Brock's baserunning isn't worth that much!
I've always loved baseball, and it's always been my favorite sport. Not anymore. I'll watch a MLS game over a MLB game anyday now. Something about making more than some of the guys out on the pitch sits better with me than guys making 100 times more than me squeaking about "slowing down the increase of player salaries."
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I side with the players
3 - 10,000sq ft homes just isn't enough for someone who puts in a hard day at the "office" running bases, pitching and catching :rolleyes:
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All hopes of me continuing to like Major League Baseball died sometime in elementary school. The strike of a few years ago solidified my reasoning. These guys are overpayed and underplayed. If you are someone like "Pay-rod" then you damn well hit .400 and be the "Golden Glove" with no less than 50 homers in a year for the length of your contract. I watched highlights with interest when McGwire and Sosa went after the record and the same with Bonds last year. But when you have a guy taking 5 minutes to get to bat like the guy from Boston... I think his name is Nomar Garciapara or something. It gets stupid to keep watching them whine and squeak about not getting more money when they are making more than most people will see in a lifetime.
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I really enjoy going to baseball games, but if these morons (players + owners) can't work it out, screw 'em. I'm booked for the USGP (F1), I just got my Raiders tickets, and my Sharks season tickets should be coming in the mail shortly. I won't miss MLB one bit.
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Baseball :rolleyes: I'll be glad when it's gone so I don't have to watch all that crap on Sportscenter waiting on the real sports news. I just don't believe that it's worth even 300,000 a year to stand in a field all day waiting for 1 or 2 balls to be hit to you an hour. And don't get me started on the 20 minute at-bats while the guy re-adjusts his gloves, helmet, cup, spits 2 or 3 times, kicks some dirt, steps into box, then calls time again.
I'm with Fatty, start the NBA early, give me something worthwhile to watch over the summer.
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There are quite a few people who are away from home and out of the country risking their LIVES for a hell of a lot less than $300,000.00 a year. Paying these "players" to play a kids game more than the average SGT. in the military is a freaking waste of money IMO.
Personally I don't care wether it's football, baseball, basketball or any other sport. These people are not really contributing to society as far as I am concerned. They are paid WAY more than they are worth.
Actors, singers are no differant either.
Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Its definately a skill related job. These guys are great at what they do. Personally, I don't believe that $300,000 per year is that high of a minimum salary given that they will be away from home 81 days a year guaranteed (More like 100 after spring training) and given that there aren't many that can do the job at the same level. I also seriously doubt this affects a very large percentage of the players.
What I don't like is their refusal to instute drug tests (esp. steroids testing) and the ridiculous salaries at the top end of the spectrum. I just can't muster up much sympathy for multi-millionairs complaining about unfair labor practices.
I just went to a game on the 13th. I went with a friend who's a Boston fan (Game was in Seattle). To go... I had to promise to take the wife to a different game since we could not find 3 seats together at the Boston game. Now it looks like that game won't happen.
Oh well... as long as the Yankees keep paying the big bucks for the players, the smaller markets are going to suffer. I say we simply blame New York and have them pay all of baseball's salaries.
AKDejaVu
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that $300,000 is for a season , not a year, and it's the starting salary, avg salary in MLB is $2,400,000, then you add in indorsements $$$
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The sooner they strike the sooner we can try to get a better sport to fill the summer void that has me falling asleep in front of the tv watching perhaps the most boring sport ever.
Fatty
This opens the door for soccer in the US. Our ability to sit through boring sports is currently consumed by baseball. Soccer, the most boring international sport, is just waiting in the wings to fill that void should it arrive. Ole, ole ole!
Charon
Me, well I'm waiting in giddy anticipation for the Bear's march to the superbowl this year.
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I hate watching baseball,
But it's cracking me up to hear supposed conservatives sound off like commies. :D It's based in the free market guys. Hurts sometimes, but it's the way you want business to work, right? If owners and player's agents drive the price too high, there will be an adjustment. Period. Or do you now recommend government set market value for businesses? :p
But worst of all is listening to nerds who couldn't make the cut, advising pros on how much they should make for their families. :rolleyes: If any single one of you were lucky and dedicated enough to be a pro, you would let your agent draw blood for you too, and you know it! These careers are short, and if you don't make that cash, someone else will.
Do plumbers worry about their customers feelings when they raise prices? The very best can charge a premium for service, skill and other abilities run of the mill plumbers don't have. They feel they're worth it. If folks agree and are willing to pay, who are you to tell them not to do the best for their rug-rats and spooner? I agree baseball's got troubles, but it ain't dead, just about to get a facelift. Loss of revenue will be the surgeon, imo.
My favorite chumps are the guys who say stuff like, "I could prolly go three rounds with Tyson, he's finished!" :cool:
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i would go 3 rounds with tyson for $20 million, he would win , but i would have $20 million
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:D Er... no,
Your widow would have 20 mil. ;)
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Originally posted by Maverick
There are quite a few people who are away from home and out of the country risking their LIVES for a hell of a lot less than $300,000.00 a year. Paying these "players" to play a kids game more than the average SGT. in the military is a freaking waste of money IMO.
LOL! Now THAT is funny!
You know... I was one of those people some time ago. I make a hell of a lot more now for doing a hell of a lot less.
Is the military underpaid? Yep. But then that is not even remotely what this thread was about.
LOL!
Personally I don't care wether it's football, baseball, basketball or any other sport. These people are not really contributing to society as far as I am concerned. They are paid WAY more than they are worth.
Society determines their worth. Obviously society cares more about them than about what you think.
AKDejaVu
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The reality is baseball is priced beyond the reach of an average family to enjoy in person anyway, so I say fill in the parks and turn it into low-rent housing. Heck, give the acreage to Farrakhan, maybe he'll shut up for a little while.
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But it's cracking me up to hear supposed conservatives sound off like commies. It's based in the free market guys.
Amen brother Braz.
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Originally posted by Kieran
The reality is baseball is priced beyond the reach of an average family to enjoy in person anyway.
Same with hockey. You're looking at about $200 for all expenses, for a family of four. That's just rediculous.
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How much a day at the park cost for a family of four, Braz? Used to be called America's pasttime because Americans could afford it.
Hey, I am not for government control of it; I am for American shunning of the sport. Big difference.
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Agreed K,
We're together on it. Phil Hendrie is my fav radio show, and he's calling, no, begging for the players to strike. :) I have a pet peeve aabout less entertainment for more cash. Hell, movie theaters are running car commercials before the trailers now. I'd like to see prices cut in half, and double-headers added, using the minor league teams. I think we all know some of those games can be great, and it would add fans and another pennent run to cheer for. Might double the value and bring back fans.
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But it's cracking me up to hear supposed conservatives sound off like commies. It's based in the free market guys.
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I think it fits right in. Most seem to be siding with the owners. Not that anyone cares about a small group of millionaires. It is just the certain knowledge that should the ballplayers win. The cost will be passed on to you-know-who.
For myself. I lost interest after the first strike. Seems like a long time now.
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Originally posted by Braz
But it's cracking me up to hear supposed conservatives sound off like commies. :D It's based in the free market guys. Hurts sometimes, but it's the way you want business to work, right?
Absolutely, it is the way it SHOULD work. But, only speaking for the conservative in "me", I would suggest that you are looking at that from the wrong perspective. The problem is that the players (the pinko commies in this particular senario;) ) don't know a good thing when it is thrust into their bank accounts. The owners (the mighty businessman, living under the free market principles and profiting from it, in this particular senario;) ) put up the bucks..they had the financial backing and political connections required to be able to own and run a major league baseball team.
The players are the employees. These employees have unions. These unions have convinced their members that $2.0M a year is inadequate compensation..based on huge profits being earned by their empoyers. These huge profits are derived within the free market you so eloquently espouse. The employees want a bigger piece of the pie and once again they are striking to try and get it.
But, alas, just as the bubble burst over the Soviet Union in 1991, so too will those huge profits! Attendance is down and interest in the game is at an all time low. Who is bearing the brunt of the "downturn"? The owners! (particularly in the small market cities.) Are the players taking pay cuts, in general, to save the game? Nope. They want more.
Greed of the owners? Nope...greed of the red menace...the unions...and their underlings, the employees.
:D
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I think ya mean Billionaires Easymo,
The players are the millionaires. :)
On another note, is Houston stoked about the Texans? Gotta say that's a cool logo! I'm a fan of da 'Boys, but will be cheering for Houston too. Seemed a shame for the largest city in the football belt not to have a pro team. Let me be the 1st to say... all Texan Superbowl! :D
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Due to the football strikes, I lost interest in that back in the 80's.
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Kieran, the same corporations that are bankrupt, or losing $$ by the bucket are spending millions on luxury boxes & season tickets for baseball, thats what drove the ticket price sky high...by a rough estimate (100 luxury boxes per stadium at $100k per * 30 stadiums) $300,000,000 a year. maybe somewhat overindulgent but what the fu(|< ? its a free country
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It's a bit naive' to think the owners alone share the blame for the high price of baseball. It's the owners, the players, the agents that convince players they should go for more, the fans that continue to pay the price... but the buck stops here. If the fan can say, "no thanks", it could bring things back to earth a bit. Or not, maybe it will die, but really, who cares?
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who cares is right - i haven't given a flying fornication about pro ball since the last strike...still play, though...
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Personally, I am hoping for an end to the labor strife in baseball. Those poor exploited workers... those poor salary-burdened owners... I think a plan that involves a 30 team contraction is the best solution.