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Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Pand on August 19, 2002, 04:53:46 PM
I'M SORRY FOR ALL CAPS BUT THIS IS REDICULOUS.  I HAVE BEEN PLAYING ACES HIGH FOR 3 YEARS AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN THIS FRUSTRATED.  I HAVE HAD 4 CTD'S IN THE PAST HOUR.  I THINK IT IS TIME FOR HTC TO STOP WORRYING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING NEW PLANES AND START MAKING THEIR CURRENT GAME WORK.

AMD XP 1800+
Geforce3 Ti200 Gainward Golden Sample
512meg DDR

anything wrong with my hardware?

THIS IS UNBEARABLE TO EVEN TRY TO PLAY.  I WANT A 15.00 CREDIT THIS MONTH.
Title: Re: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Raubvogel on August 19, 2002, 05:03:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Pand

anything wrong with my hardware?

 


Yes, your keyboard appears to be malfunctioning.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Saintaw on August 19, 2002, 05:14:45 PM
Rofl! a beauty!
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Hortlund on August 19, 2002, 05:15:29 PM
No, didnt you read his post? He is so frustrated he has to type in caps. Apparently that makes him feel better on some level.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Maverick on August 19, 2002, 05:21:11 PM
His caps locks seems to work just fine.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Toad on August 19, 2002, 06:13:13 PM
Possibly an overworked Spellchecker causing the CTD's?


Seriously Pand, I had some CTD and screen freeze but the last patch seems to have fixed those.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Spout on August 19, 2002, 06:27:50 PM
lol Pand, ignore the ones that always seem to come back with some moronic snobbish remark, they obviously are not one of the many having issues with AH.  I totally agree, for me, the game is unplayable.  I deleted my account a week ago because of repeated disco/CTD/freeze.  Not gonna cry about it, because i don't run the show, but planning on trying again with fresh system/download.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Yeager on August 19, 2002, 06:51:09 PM
Ive only got seven or eight hours with patch four but Ive had three, maybe four CTDs.   At least I havent had any freezes requireing a reboot with this patch.  I can deal with logging back on to AH "occassionally" but when I have to reboot and reconnect I get tired of that real quick.

Have had six, maybe seven losses of UDP but only one resulted in a CTD.  I just log at the next RTB adn come back in.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Vulcan on August 19, 2002, 06:57:10 PM
Since the last patch, NO CTD's, 1  exitable lockup (tail slide into water freeze).

P3V4X; Celeron 1.2Ghz; 512mb; GF3Ti200; XP Pro; DX8.1; SB Live!.
Title: Re: This Is Rediculous
Post by: SOB on August 19, 2002, 07:01:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Pand
I'M SORRY FOR ALL CAPS BUT THIS IS REDICULOUS.  I HAVE BEEN PLAYING ACES HIGH FOR 3 YEARS AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN THIS FRUSTRATED.  I HAVE HAD 4 CTD'S IN THE PAST HOUR.  I THINK IT IS TIME FOR HTC TO STOP WORRYING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING NEW PLANES AND START MAKING THEIR CURRENT GAME WORK.

AMD XP 1800+
Geforce3 Ti200 Gainward Golden Sample
512meg DDR

anything wrong with my hardware?

THIS IS UNBEARABLE TO EVEN TRY TO PLAY.  I WANT A 15.00 CREDIT THIS MONTH.


Try posting this in the Tech Support forum, and include your full system specs.  You could also email or call them.


SOB
Title: System Specs
Post by: Pand on August 19, 2002, 07:08:28 PM
I don't think posting in the tech support forum with specs will help anything... that would assume that the problem is on my end... which it is not.  I have had no previous problems with AH until this current patch.  I have tried reformatting and completely reinstalling my system from scratch, no joy.  I am extremely irritated because I have played a game for 3 years and now I can no longer play--- and to think, I was just now starting to get pretty good. =)

Anyway, Someone put out another patch soon.  I only get CTDs no lockups, nothing... just BAM, desktop.

Pand
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: poopster on August 19, 2002, 07:36:36 PM
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that would assume that the problem is on my end... which it is not


Pand you misunderstand, giving your system specs gives them something to work with, clues to look for.

It might only effect AMD processors running a GF 2, windoze XP and a turtle beach sound card and nothing else for example...

With your system specs, they can crunch info.

Give them something like this, and include if your running a firewall etc.

AMD Athlon 1.2 T-bird
Epox 8K7A+ MB
Via 4 in 1 drivers
512 2100 DDR ram
IBM deskstar 20 gig hard drive
Asus GeForce v7100 pro 11.01c Asus drivers
Soundblaster PCI 512
Sony 19" Multiscan 400PS
1024x768 32 bit
Windoze ME with auto restore disabled
8.1 Direct X

System, vidio card and modem optimized with TweakMe and NVmax
( not overclocked - running current setup for a year )
CPU temp 101 under load - Case temp 75
Run "End it all" before each session
Defrag weekly - and after any download or file change

And let them work it.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Bluedog on August 19, 2002, 08:00:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Vulcan
Since the last patch, NO CTD's, 1  exitable lockup (tail slide into water freeze).

P3V4X; Celeron 1.2Ghz; 512mb; GF3Ti200; XP Pro; DX8.1; SB Live!.


This has probably been answered somewhere before, but......Vulcan, you say an 'exitable' lock up, when I do the tail_water_lockup thing, it's a full reboot for me.
How do you exit from this?
or am I just reading your post entirely wrong?

Thanks,
Blue
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Ozark on August 19, 2002, 08:32:30 PM
I really can't remember my last CTD! I had them all the time while running RW. When I deleted the RW program and started using AH Voice, the CTD ended.

BTW: I use Windows XP Pro.
Title: Re: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Turbot on August 19, 2002, 08:40:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Pand
I'M SORRY FOR ALL CAPS BUT THIS IS REDICULOUS.  I HAVE BEEN PLAYING ACES HIGH FOR 3 YEARS AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN THIS FRUSTRATED.  I HAVE HAD 4 CTD'S IN THE PAST HOUR.  I THINK IT IS TIME FOR HTC TO STOP WORRYING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING NEW PLANES AND START MAKING THEIR CURRENT GAME WORK.

AMD XP 1800+
Geforce3 Ti200 Gainward Golden Sample
512meg DDR

anything wrong with my hardware?

THIS IS UNBEARABLE TO EVEN TRY TO PLAY.  I WANT A 15.00 CREDIT THIS MONTH.


You have not been playing for 3 years with this hardware.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: paintmaw on August 19, 2002, 08:44:12 PM
I get a few Lock Ups when I'm shot down while voice comms are real busy :)
Maybe 3 times last week
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Fancy on August 19, 2002, 09:48:41 PM
Sorry, i play with a crappy PIII600 and 32Mb nVidia and I've had less than a dozen lockups in the two months I've been playing.  (Yeah, the tailslide thing seems to do it for me alot....I'm thinking "floating point"?)

I just think of it this way, when the damned things locks up, that's just an excuse to stop playing and get smoe sleep rather than realize after my 45th dive bombing run of the night that it's 2am and I have to work in the morning.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Pand on August 19, 2002, 10:02:31 PM
Jesus people... listen to me... it doesn't matter about any of your smart bellybutton comments---- none are relevant.  I have had the same hardware for the past 6 months with no problems, ever. Period.  Now, nothing but problems.  That's it... bottom line.  The game just stopped working by CTD all the time.  I don't care what you all think---- I want someone from HTC to fix the problems.  Go back to patch 3.  That will solve my problem.

bastards.

Justin

I hope I didn't offend anyone with the above message...
If I did... tough toejam.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: SOB on August 19, 2002, 10:15:58 PM
Posting your system specs may help them fix the problem.  I'm not sure what's so difficult to comprehend here.


SOB
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Ozark on August 19, 2002, 10:16:40 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Pand
Jesus people... listen to me... it doesn't matter about any of your smart bellybutton comments---- none are relevant.  I have had the same hardware for the past 6 months with no problems, ever. Period.  Now, nothing but problems.  That's it... bottom line.  The game just stopped working by CTD all the time.  I don't care what you all think---- I want someone from HTC to fix the problems.  Go back to patch 3.  That will solve my problem.

bastards.

Justin

I hope I didn't offend anyone with the above message...
If I did... tough toejam.


I'm sure you'll get lots of help! Salute and good luck sir!
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: JustJim on August 19, 2002, 10:27:37 PM
Until The Last Patch I Would Experiance Total System Freeze Maybe 1 Every Hour, Sometimes More Often.

After The Last Patch Havent Got A System Freeze Yet (Knock On Wood).  Although Now I Do Get CTD's On Occaision So I would Say The Problem Is Being Worked On, And Things Are Getting Better.

I Do However Notice That They Tend To Be Worse On Days That The Server Ping Is Higher Than It Should Be, Making Me Think It Could Be A Communication Problem Between The Server And The MANY People Playing.

Hang In There It Should Get Nothing But Better, HiTech Does Address These Issues Pretty Well, Just May Not Be As Instant As We All Would Like.

 But Think Of This.    How Good Is The Support Here Compaired To Any Other Online Sim You May Have Played?  These Guys Are More Interactive Than Any Other Game Online I Have Played.

 So I Have No Doubt In Time These Issues Will Be Resolved,  Just In Time For The Next Round Of Bugs To Drive Us All Nuts.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Fancy on August 19, 2002, 10:39:45 PM
Not to mention, isn't your attitude just a bit insensitive.  You've been playing AH for years, so I assume you actually ENJOY playing it.  Why can't you give a  sensible, lower-case plea to the people who have (successfully) given you those years of enjoyment?

Otherwise you're a spoiled brat.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Mino on August 19, 2002, 11:22:23 PM
I have had a few CTD's under the current patch.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: poopster on August 19, 2002, 11:33:47 PM
Quote
I don't care what you all think


Well to be brutally honest, a few of us have been attempting to help you.

As I see it, it appears you don't want help, you just want to squeak.

LOL

I'm done.

Let'r fly big guy, we're concerned and waiting.........

....about to burst from holding our collective breath.

Fancy, are you "Fancy" from WB ?? If so email me if you get a chance. Been a long time :)

nopoop
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Roscoroo on August 19, 2002, 11:45:39 PM
First I like to remind Pand / Justin  here to Look at his internet connection .... ISP's Routing to the arena ,  Get Ping Plotter and check your connection. (Your probly on a 56k dial up)

For this is very important when trying to figure out if its the game/ htc's server/ your pc/connection.

I myself had alot of lockups/ ctds befor the newest patch 1.104
Now I havent had a single one .

Now I'm on my same ip # and  700kbps dsl connection .

   I believe most of this bug has been addressed in the fastest manor possiable out of the Hard working crew at HTC .

So Grow up, stop shouting , and finish testing the conditions on your end !!!
Thank you
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: TheManx on August 19, 2002, 11:48:05 PM
Hi Pand,

I think what everyone is trying to say, is that something was changed within the code that now disagrees with your system. If HTC is to fix your problem, they will likely need to know your full system specs in order to narrow down which part of the code is being affected. Nobody is saying that you're to blame, or are imagining the problem. It's also irrelevant that you've been playing for 3 years without problems, as the patch is only a couple weeks old (and is possibly the underlying problem).

Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Pongo on August 19, 2002, 11:52:58 PM
Pand..
I can see why you have stayed away from the bbs.
your an ignorant twit.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: TheFatz on August 20, 2002, 12:07:21 AM
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Pand..
I can see why you have stayed away from the bbs.
your an ignorant twit.


Shut up please.  Assassians not allowed to talk.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: WarChild on August 20, 2002, 12:07:49 AM
I have a friend at work that I got to join back when it was still 30$ per month.  He happily flies any niki spit or uber plane of the month for a mere 10 hours a month at the utmost. He has been a sastified customer and considered AH's price worth it for the enjoyment he gets for his very few hours of online play.

Two days ago he canceled his account of almost a year despite my urging to ride it out.  He didn't apreciate being the test subjected to the patches. I personaly think he's jumping to rash judgment, but i guess if you only have 10 hours a month to play, you wouldnt apreciate it much to get ctd's.

I am not banging HTC, just telling a personal story.
Title: 56k? amusing
Post by: Pand on August 20, 2002, 06:28:34 AM
Roscoroo,

No, I'm not on dialup... I'm on a 1500kb DSL, and my netstat stays smooth as silk.

More suggestions Welcome!

Justin
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Masherbrum on August 20, 2002, 07:07:58 AM
Here's a suggestion concerning your previous posts:

Kiss my ass!  You expect help after call me and everyone else bastard?!  Did I forget,  Kiss my Ass.

I hope amazinhunks like yourself keep getting CTD, the channels will be more free of whiners like yourself!

Enjoy, love muffin.

Karaya2
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: maltesh on August 20, 2002, 07:18:13 AM
If you have a pop-up buster (the thing that you download so that you can surf porn without the pop-up's), make sure it is switched off. Some of those pop-up busters have a nasty habit of sharing the registry keys which other legitimate programs need and often cause trouble like hanging the pc while playing games.
Games often use the same registry key that is needed to pop-up a menu or a *.gif image (such as continuous firing image - which is actually a looped animated gif) and the pop-up buster might hang your pc when it tries to shut that.
Hope that helps :)
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Roscoroo on August 20, 2002, 07:23:33 AM
so your on a T-1 connection eh ??? because if your not id like to know who has 1500kbps  regular dsl connects .

But ill tell you one thing even with dsl / hi speed connects there can be routing / server problems . I myself had a bad card at my isp and i discoed every 20 min's and couldnt download a thing for over a month ...  So Go get ping plotter and test your connection and stop the bs and getting mad at us here . We are trying to help you !!!

when my connect was bad  id pull up ping plotter and test it right away . thats how i found out it was at my isp . and in there routing. ping plotter (http://www.pingplotter.com/)

You need to post the full parameters of your system also ...you nitwit so you can be helped  instead of name calling

also post your operating system 98 me xp ect ... what drivers your using and version of Direct X  ,  also if your on a linksy router , and what type of firewall your running, ect ... Do you understand yet ????  Heck you could have a virous or worm on ur machine also ... have you checked your resources and scanned for bugs ???
If you cant get with the correct trouble shooting program here well then Good ridiance ... one less internet user Ahhhh that means more bandwith for me :D   ok im done with this one
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: hblair on August 20, 2002, 07:57:51 AM
I had some connection problems a few days ago pand. I'd get close to a con and he'd start jerking around. No discoes that I recall. It just seems to have gotten better for me. Most connx probs should be solved when HTC gets their servers moved.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: hblair on August 20, 2002, 08:04:12 AM
Quote
Originally posted by TheFatz


Shut up please.  Assassians not allowed to talk.


Whew! There for a sec I thought Assassins weren't allowed to talk! But that "assassians" squad better keep their yap shut. The fartz said so! And that my friend carries clout. (lawyers and all that stuff)



;)
Title: Yee ha!
Post by: Pand on August 20, 2002, 10:25:49 AM
I'm just wondering how many people that post their specs and all their information actually get a problem fixed.  HTC is like, oh well, it may not like an AMD 1800XP+ with particular sound card.... hey, lets spend 100 hours developing and trying to solve the bug for this guy... I doubt it.  I'm not asking for help, I was just frustrated and dissapointed.  

I remember back in the day, I believe it was warbirds.  I remember also, warbirds used to be free.  That was called "beta" testing.  I'm glad we're all paying to be beta testers.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned this discussion is over.  

I would like to thank the few people that actually submitted some useful information (connection, ctd's, etc... )  I suppose I'll just stick around and pay my 15.00 a month and hopefully by next month the next patch will be out! =)  

all,

Justin
Title: Specs off my DSL modem
Post by: Pand on August 20, 2002, 10:29:28 AM
DSL Line Speed  1507320 bps

I'm not sure who your DSL is or maybe I'm just confused where my commas go -

1,507,320 bps === does it convert to 1500kbps ?  who knows, I could be wrong.

...I pulled this info from my DSL modem's live diagnostic page.

Just thought you'd like to know Roscoroo.  Maybe consider switching to DirecTV DSL... great service, great price, static IP, and runs like a champ.

Justin
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Turbot on August 20, 2002, 10:39:39 AM
dslreports.com - do the speed test, see what it tells you.

Often DSL connects not directly through your local telco but through a middleman are not going to be as great.  Regardless who your provider is it all has to go through the telco in the end.
Title: Real Test Stats
Post by: Pand on August 20, 2002, 11:02:01 AM
2002-08-20 12:00:59 EST: 1203 / 90
Your download speed : 1203009 bps, or 1203 kbps.
A 146.8 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 90971 bps, or 90 kbps.
Seems like broadband .. above the 1mbit barrier!


That's all I have right now, but I'm sharing with a few other guys.
Not quite 1500kb but 1203kb

Holy damn!  I have a T1 according to Roscoroo!

Yee ha!

Justin
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Ripsnort on August 20, 2002, 11:05:54 AM
Ya'll need to click HERE (http://www.siberkat.com/thewavs/bch3g.wav)
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Sandman on August 20, 2002, 11:23:20 AM
Can I get a show of hands? Does anyone actually click on Rip's wav files? :D
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Ripsnort on August 20, 2002, 11:30:08 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Can I get a show of hands? Does anyone actually click on Rip's wav files? :D


(Raises Hand!)
Title: Re: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Superfly on August 20, 2002, 12:19:23 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Pand
 I THINK IT IS TIME FOR HTC TO STOP WORRYING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING NEW PLANES AND START MAKING THEIR CURRENT GAME WORK.


Yes sir!  I'll stop doing my artwork, and dive right into the code!  I'm sure HT and Ronni could use some lessons in coding from an artist. :) ;) :D ;) :)

I don't know why I even bother responding to these types of posts, but obviously not everyone gets it.  If one could think rationally and not emotionally, one would see that this bug is hard to pin down.  We're not all just sitting around laughing at the torment some players are going through.

Can't you just picture it?
HT: "Tomorrow we'll put out a patch, and unleash a CTD bug like none has ever seen! It will be glorious!"
HTC : "Muhahahahahahahahaa!!!!"
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Masherbrum on August 20, 2002, 12:27:23 PM
Superfly, Pand cannot help the fact that HE is THE PERFECT person in a non-perfect world.  Shame on you guys for taking a piss break, instead of "getting right on this".   Ignore these posts and continue busting your ass.  ;)



Karaya2
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: aac on August 20, 2002, 12:28:44 PM
There is your problem, you are using DirectTV causing lag, I bet you have lost packets too.  I have a friend that tried DirectTV playing games and he had to go back to using telephone line connection as the connection for gaming.

If not try downloading the latest video drivers and us Norton Speed Disk to defrag you harddrive, this cured my problem except for the crash tail first bug.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Nefarious on August 20, 2002, 12:44:42 PM
Oh Booooyyy!!!!


What a great way to start the day...
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Pand on August 20, 2002, 12:53:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Pand
DSL Line Speed 1507320 bps

I'm not sure who your DSL is or maybe I'm just confused where my commas go -

1,507,320 bps === does it convert to 1500kbps ? who knows, I could be wrong.

...I pulled this info from my DSL modem's live diagnostic page.

Just thought you'd like to know Roscoroo. Maybe consider switching to DirecTV DSL... great service, great price, static IP, and runs like a champ.  


Quote
Originally posted by aac
There is your problem, you are using DirectTV causing lag, I bet you have lost packets too.  I have a friend that tried DirectTV playing games and he had to go back to using telephone line connection as the connection for gaming.


Brilliant!  All along I thought I had a satellite dish when all I have is this stinkin' DSL!  No wonder there are so many wires sticking out!  

That's all I have to say about that.

Justin
Title: Watta buncha . . . .
Post by: Arfann on August 20, 2002, 01:40:53 PM
maroons.  So Pand CARES ENOUGH to go ballistic over his CTD problems.  If someone can convince me that beating on him about it is going to improve things for ANYONE I'll happily join the gang-bang. Unlike Pand, I had just started using a new computer and stick set-up when the CTD bug hit.  It took 2 replacement computers and 2 replacement joysticks and all the associated downloads of new drivers, etc., before I realized the problems were not mine. At least not all of them.  Email assistance by HTC has eliminated much of it, but I still get CTD every 20 or 30 minutes. In other words, just as I reach immersion it goes away. This, combined with other snafus like the Axis P-38s in the CT last night have brought me very close to closing my account. Knowing that they're working hard to fix it is all that keeps me from doing so.

For the record, the common factor on the 3 machines I've had CTD problems with is XP Home.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Greese on August 20, 2002, 02:01:56 PM
Mildly humorus.  Dr. Seuss on CTD's...
     If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port, and the bus is interrupted at a very last resort, and the access of the memory makes your floppy disk abort, then the socket packet pocket has an error to report.
     If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash, and the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash, and your data is corrupted cause the index doesn't hash, then your situation's hopeless and your system's gonna crash!!
     If the label on the cable on the table at your house says the network is connected to the button on your mouse, but your packets want to tunnel to another protocol, that's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall, and your screen is all distorted by the side effects of gauss, so your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse; then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang, 'cuz sure  as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang!
     When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy in the disk, and the macro code instructions cause unnecessary risk, then you'll have to flash the memory and you'll want to RAM your ROM.  Quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your Mom!
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: muckmaw on August 20, 2002, 02:18:16 PM
ROTLFLMAO!!!

Damn, Greese...

You're either a poetic genius, or you have WAY TOO much time on your hands!
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Roscoroo on August 20, 2002, 02:22:07 PM
And the nitwit still hasnt really told us a thing about his operating system and hardware/software assoc with it .

As for Web tv  your in a dying branch of internet type service . I guess you havent done any "real research " on it as of late.
And who's to say that you dont have a bad connect along the way  to htc's server . Have your tested it ??? Do you really under stand how the internet and pc's work ??? Did you know the 85% of internet speed tests are faulty ???

Im beginning to lose paitence here ...
Jumping on HTC and screaming your problems are theirs without giving anything to work with is just childish .
 
There are plenty of people here that can help you solve your problem /s  if you give them the proper curticy .

I dare you to ping plot your connection during primetime in your area ...  heres the I.P. of htc's main arena  216.234.247.240

And heres a sample of what a ping plot graph looks like .(you have to open ms paint and copy  by clicing on edit /copy as image then paste it to ms paint or sim program .

Now stop trying to make everyone mad and get with the program . your gonna make the HTC Gods/Goddess mad at ya sooner or later ,and they will not even try to give ya any tech support ,along with looking like a fool here in this community !
Title: Jeez...
Post by: Pand on August 20, 2002, 02:52:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Roscoroo

And who's to say that you dont have a bad connect along the way  to htc's server . Have your tested it ??? Do you really under stand how the internet and pc's work ??? Did you know the 85% of internet speed tests are faulty ???


All this coming from the guy who thinks my DSL is a T1 =)
I wish!
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Roscoroo on August 20, 2002, 03:58:03 PM
Now try ping testing the second you get a disco .
You still havent finished doing what has been asked of you Pand .
 and im getting tired of dragging each troubleshooting item out of you cause you wont listen ...   and yes a 1500+ kbps DSL connect is T-1 grade Or a duel connect (4 wire vs 2 wire) ....  in cable its a different story  but cable shares bandwith  and so does web tv ...

Go back a reread what has been asked of you to supply for info .
no wait ill repost it for ya ...

"also post your operating system 98, me, xp, ect ... what drivers your using and version of Direct X , also if your on a linksy router , and what type of firewall your running, ect ... Do you understand yet ???? Heck you could have a virous or worm on ur machine also ... have you checked your resources and scanned for bugs ??? "  Along with how long have you been on your isp connect ? (as in do they roll your ip addy and you dont know it)
Have you ever unplugged your modem and let it reset ?
Do you have problems with downloads ?

The problem is in your combination on your pc here, AH may have a problem with working correctly on that combo . Thats what were trying to determine here .

continuing with toss back remarks is not the way to get your problem troubleshot. I may just go off and Enjoy the main arena Disco-less of course ,give up on your whine , and let the wolves have at ya .
 Have I won the paientence award of the day yet ???
Title: Re: Re: This Is Rediculous
Post by: milnko on August 20, 2002, 04:08:04 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SUPERFLY
We're not all just sitting around laughing at the torment some players are going through.
Seems to me you all are missing out on some hilarous entertainment.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Greese on August 20, 2002, 04:09:37 PM
I didn't write the Dr. Seuss thing.  It was e-mailed to me today, and I normally would have just trashed it, but thought it might be handy at some point in the future.  
   
If you think it's good, I'll take credit for it though...
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: jonnyb on August 20, 2002, 04:43:04 PM
Throughout all of this, there seems to be something that has been overlooked.  Pand's hardware has not changed.  His ISP has not changed.  Nothing on his end has changed.  However, HTC has made changes to their software.

Therein lies the problem, and is the source for Pand's discouragement.  Roscoroo, you have shown exceptional patience while dealing with Pand.  Especially in the face of the comments from some of the other members of the board.

Being a software developer I can attest to how seemingly inert code will suddenly introduce a bug into an otherwise stable system.  Given a certain set of circumstances a bug may be produced that could not have been forseen by the development team.  I have spent MANY long nights at the office trying to sort out client bugs that simply should never have appeared in the first place.  I have asked myself, "How could this code be causing the issue at hand?"

Pand's question, "What's going on here?" is a valid one.  Why does a system that worked flawlessly suddenly consistently fail, especially since he has not made any changes?  The post which started this thread was obviously laced with negative emotion.  There is considerable frustration evidenced.  The feedback gotten, such as, "Your keyboard is malfunctioning" et al, only served to throw fuel onto an already burning fire.  Hence the responses back.

Let's all take a deep breath and approach this from a more rational standpoint.  The first order of business would be to send as much information as possible to the team at HTC.  This would include any and all hardware and software versions, time(s) of the incidents as accurately as possible, etc.  We, as subscribers, can offer up many opinions as possible.  However, the only answers can come from those who are privvy to the source code.  They are the only ones that can attempt to recreate the environment and duplicate the bug.

So, in effect, no matter how many snide comments are made, no one on these boards except for members of the team at HTC can in any way, shape, or form definitively answer Pand's query.  Let's all turn off the whine-o-meter and let Pand work it out with HTC.  If we're all lucky, a bug *will* be found and resolved, making the gameplay better for all of us.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: grizz on August 20, 2002, 05:33:49 PM
LOL Greese !  :D  Thanks for the laugh. :)
Title: Problem Solved- -- I think
Post by: Pand on August 20, 2002, 05:33:57 PM
Well said Johnnyb.

After 4 patches of implementing this routine, I think I finally may have determined the problem we all have.

I just ran an 8 kill hop, with no CTD, so this *MAY* have fixed it.

It turns out, and I was reluctant to say this at the beginning...
I just completely Reformatted my machine (not just reinstall aces), and I haven't had a CTD yet.  

The trend that I am noticing, however, is every time there is a new patch released, I have gotten a few CTDs, but never to this extent with the latest patch.  This is the 4th time that I have been able to remove the CTDs by reformatting... It seems a bit rediculous that after every patch I need to reinstall my entire machine??  

What do you guys think... and if you're have the CTD problem, try Reformatting and starting over again --- you'll be suprised, it might actually work :p

Justin

btw: I've never had a consistant "disco" problem.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Roscoroo on August 20, 2002, 05:46:42 PM
You have a very valid points here Johnny , But are we shure that Pand hasnt installed something else on his machine /or caught something? or is he in the common demnomiter  problem with everyone else thats getting the disco's/ ctds/ screen freezes ???

As for a new program thats been installed with shared components may have upset this also .
I know that it could be a thousand and one things causing this .for right now though my ctds, freezes, ect have gone away compleatly. so the games code is if thats the problem is messing with/in  a different combo that what im running on my 2 pc's

Pand Needs to post his specs along with all aspects  of his pc in the other thread so HTC can review this and duplicate the problem to find it .
Title: I'm sure
Post by: Pand on August 20, 2002, 06:54:51 PM
If you still want me to post my stuff I will, however,
This is my aces high machine... no new software or anything runs on it except the bare essentials.  Nothing has been installed nor did anything change.

Justin
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: poopster on August 20, 2002, 09:42:17 PM
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Nothing has been installed nor did anything change


Justin, Justin how many ways can it be explained to you so you understand.

Yes nothing has changed on your machine. That's a givin. Nobody doubts that.

With the new release something has changed in the game THAT EFFECTS YOUR MACHINE.

Now how in Gods green pastures is AH going to get to the bottom of WHAT WAS CHANGED IN THE RELEASE that effects YOUR MACHINE, if you don't supply the info that's required to research the problem ????

Do you actually read the replys to your post ??? Or do you not know your systems specs ?? Or ???

sigh.....

nopoop
Title: Here's something for ya
Post by: Pand on August 20, 2002, 10:02:14 PM
Here ya go. just happened 10 minutes ago.
5 of us on... all on the same vox channel.

Just took off from a base... we started to engage a panzer on the ground.

I'm about to hammer down, when bam, crash to desktop.
Bigwade CTD'd
Greedz CTD'd
Cheiron CTD'd
SofaKing CTD'd

All of us.
5 different machines, 5 different hardware setups.  Different ISP's... hell Greedz is in Australia.  All crashed in the same area, at the same location.  It's not our machines, unless ALL 5 of our machines have conflicts with the latest Patch, and if that's the case, it's NOT specific to my machine.

That's 100% proof that its not on our end.  It's situational.
Explain that to me poopster!

Enjoy

Justin
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: bowser on August 20, 2002, 10:08:48 PM
Reformat your hardrive again.   Sometimes takes 3 or 4 reformats.

bowser
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: poopster on August 20, 2002, 10:14:11 PM
LOL explain it to you ??

Your right, it's not your machine....

I give...

Unbelievable..

nopoop

P.S But of course knowing all who experienced the CTD, and with the films you have been taking, supplying the operating systems and systems specs to AH of all involved will go along way in the investigation...

You were'nt taking films ??

Help me here, someone elses turn..
Title: BETA TESTER?
Post by: Pand on August 20, 2002, 10:35:07 PM
Once again, we are all not paying $15.00 a month to be beta testers... or are we?  

Nah, I don't record films, it's just one more variable that could cause the machine to ctd.

Justin
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: poopster on August 20, 2002, 11:04:43 PM
:D
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: JustJim on August 20, 2002, 11:58:56 PM
I Myself Just Got 3 CTD's  In A Row Within 2 Minutes Of Logging Back On.

Should I Whine ? Nah I Like Beer So  Heineken Heineken Heineken Heineken Heineken Heineken Heineken .

Pand I Noticed That  Server Connections Made The Difference. When I Logged On All Rooms Except Main Arena Were Fluctuating Badly.   When That Happens It's Almost A Sure Sign I Will CTD Sooner Or Later.

We Don't Pay $15.00 To Beta Test Here
We Pay $15.00 So We Can Play A Constantly Updating Game.

If You Want No Patches And So Called Stability Go Play Microsoft's Fighter Ace And See How Good That Is.  Trust Me It Sucks

I'll Gladly Take A Few Bug's For Progress They Get Worked Out Eventually.  If You Wan't Old Boring Crap Games Then I Suggest You Play Offline Boring roadkill.

And This Is What They Want From You Look At The Signature I Keep It Just In Case I Have Tech Problems.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Roscoroo on August 21, 2002, 07:56:16 AM
I guess he's running Dos 3.1 and is afraid to admit it .
Or doesnt want his perfect internet world disturbed .

I m done with him.... its not worth the time to help someone that cant comply with a simple request.and Is as ignorant as he is.
Title: ignorant
Post by: Pand on August 22, 2002, 12:22:24 AM
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
I m done with him.... its not worth the time to help someone that cant comply with a simple request.and Is as ignorant as he is.


At least my rank doesn't suck.

Pand
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Roscoroo on August 22, 2002, 09:31:09 AM
Pand ....neither does mine for having over 20 carrier sinkings this month.
please take note of the disco's and the 73 hours (I must be doing something wrong here eh?)

 Fighter Bomber Attack Vehicle/Boat Total
Kills 94 3 193 3 293
Assists 27 0 57 1 85
Sorties 101 27 249 10 387
Landed 33 10 71 5 119
Bailed 14 1 14 0 29
Ditched 0 2 7 2 11
Captured 13 3 22 1 39
Death 41 11 135 2 189
Disco 0 0 0 0 0
Time hh:mm:ss 19:25:54 04:10:48 48:51:17 00:43:08 73:11:07
Rank 549 1140 203 881 401


and this out of someone with a overall rank of 397 ... LOL  

And all i did was try to help pand out ... because I seam to be immune to the ctd/disco bug .
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Max on August 22, 2002, 10:02:44 AM
Just about everyone in The Damned is experiencing the CTD prollem. 3 of us just just got axed within 60 seconds about 20 minutes ago.

It doesn't limit itself to XP Home as some of us run 2000 Pro, 98 SE & XP PRO.

Same with connects, we have dial-ups, DSL and cable.

Someone mentioned pop-up disabler as a possible cause - that I do have and will disable.

I never had the problem until the last patch release.

DmdMax
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Masherbrum on August 22, 2002, 10:20:30 AM
Pand that last response is high school.  Look at my rank, it isn't the greatest, probably around 1300.   Ask my squaddies, I'll get a 4 kill run and sacrifice them, to help out a fellow squaddie or Rook.  Some people would call that stupid, but ranks don't mean toejam to me, teamwork does.  If you ARE a Rook, don't cry to me to clear yer 6, you're selfish man, diddlying selfish.  

Roscoroo is a trusted fellow Rook.  We have flown many a times together.  I've seen him fly on there.  I'll wing with him ANYDAY.  You, are an arrogant, snide, ignorant person, who is the BABY of ALL BABIES.

Like the song goes: "Girl, you'll be a woman soon."

Rosco

Karaya2
Title: Rank
Post by: Pand on August 22, 2002, 01:12:48 PM
We all know that all the other ranks except fighter don't count.  Wow, I can fly a bomber for 50 hours a month and get 10 sorties out of it... or hey, lets drive aroudn on the ground in a tank---

Attack and Fighter are the only real "ranks" worth looking at.  When provoked I respond accordingly.  Keep in mind guys, I was not asking anyone for help with the CTDs--- never once did I say, please help me.  I was merely stating a point that I think it is rediculous that after every patch, something is more wrong than before.  You all took it upon yourselves to try to make solve the problem... there is no possible solution to the problem, it is just the patch.

Anyway, as far as teamwork goes--- ask just about anyone on the rooks who happens to fly with me, aside from just my Squadmates.  I was unable to land my 18 kill sortie because I dove down and sacraficed myself to clear someone else's six who was in a poor position with little "e" under a cloud of cons.   Teamwork is what this game is all about.  Unfortunatly, all the rook's aren't all about teamwork, as we seem to lose the war a lot =)

Anyway, it's been a fun thread guys --- I found it extremely enjoyable,  and it was really amusing to see how quick all these guys come to defend HTC when someone says something against them!  I guess you are all extremely loyal customers!  But then again, so am I... I may compain about the problems, but it's still the best online flight sim available...

Pand

Almost forgot, --- I don't appreciate the foul language.  It's one thing to flame me, but damn, control youself--Karaya2--talk about highschool.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Masherbrum on August 22, 2002, 01:21:49 PM
Sorry Holierthanthou,

When you FLAME people trying to help, expect the SAME TREATMENT, whiner!

Karaya2
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Masherbrum on August 22, 2002, 01:27:24 PM
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Keep in mind guys, I was not asking anyone for help with the CTDs--- never once did I say, please help me. I was merely stating a point that I think it is rediculous that after every patch, something is more wrong than before. You all took it upon yourselves to try to make solve the problem... there is no possible solution to the problem, it is just the patch.



People TRIED to help YOU.  Have you even lifted a finger and post this whine, tirade, whatever you want to call it, in the Bug Report Forum?  NO!!!  Why? because you're more content with mixing "Pand's WANTS" with "HTC'S lack of caring".  

Do us a favor, knock it off.  Continue the "everyone's against me", "don't cuss around me", crap somewhere else.

Karaya2

If this offends YOU, TOUGH.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: JustJim on August 22, 2002, 01:38:12 PM
Can I Assume That This Thread Is Over Now ??
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Turbot on August 22, 2002, 01:39:35 PM
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Originally posted by Pand
I was not asking anyone for help with the CTDs--- never once did I say, please help me.  


Er um, you might look again at your first message, perhaps we misread your interogative:  "anything wrong with my hardware? "   You are a very confusing person.

In any case, after this bit of silliness, I think you can relax.  I don't think ANYONE will try to help you ever again   Besides you already know everything, what do you need US for :)
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Masherbrum on August 22, 2002, 01:44:35 PM
Turbot.

Karaya2
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: JustJim on August 22, 2002, 02:15:07 PM
linksys router invisibilty hack ??   hell I run one of those and I think I get killed easier.   pretty tough when i'm in a GV I get killed with one plink,  but when I attack a GV I can unload all my ord. and barely make it smoke.  

But anyway I agree this thread is over with.

I wish i could get half the help when needed that was offered to pand its a shame all he cares about is scores and perks.

Peace Peep's


JustJim
< < Dragon Hawks > >
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Pand on August 22, 2002, 02:26:00 PM
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Originally posted by Turbot


Er um, you might look again at your first message, perhaps we misread your interogative:  "anything wrong with my hardware? "   You are a very confusing person.


I was being fececious... there should be nothing wrong with the hardware I mentioned---that's why I asked the question.

Anyway --- enough is enough... I just can't wait until the next patch so I can reformat again!

Pand

P.S.  JustJim, all you have to do is make a comment about the integriy of HTC and you'll get more help than you need, as this thread has proven!
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Wlfgng on August 22, 2002, 03:25:48 PM
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Shut up please. Assassians not allowed to talk




Assassians.. is that like  Kentuckians ?






time to melt the fatz

-----------------

lose the war a lot?   you've got to be kidding!

There's a war in here?

and scores are nothing.  Fighter, attack, whatever.
I could spend my time landing sorties but then I'd lose more than half of my online time to flying home (boring IMO).
I prefer to help a squaddie or team mate, or defend a town or get in a nasty furball.  

landing is time consuming and this is a game. I'm here to have fun not try to impress anyone.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: bowser on August 22, 2002, 06:59:30 PM
"....I was being fececious... ".

I believe the correct spelling is feces.  As in "I was being a feces head".

bowser
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Pand on August 22, 2002, 11:02:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by bowser
"....I was being fececious... ".

I believe the correct spelling is feces.  As in "I was being a feces head".

bowser


wow.

Pand
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: BaD kaRmA 158Th on August 25, 2002, 08:55:53 PM
Roscoroo, flying in formation and teaming up is the ONLY way to push the enemy back..unless your like me hiting up 3 planes in a row with my plane takeing heavy dmg..crashing..but my buddy's still have to fight..but maby there targets will be blowin' smoke or missing some parts "wing tip..flaps..fule..rudder"
this is what i AIM for..dmg..not a kill..if everyone would just FLY by and rip  a few rounds into a target..and everyone did the same..you would have alotta assists..but your targets dont stand a chance.

"shit..rudder gone...crap guns dmged..engis gone..crap..wingtip..ahh im goin' in!"

do that again and again..and no target can win..because by the time the last guys hit the ground..im already back to were i was..and heading fast twards there base..and there still takeing off..its the whopem' back method.

Iv also seen Roscoroo, take fire from bomber's "aaa" just so c47's could land at bases..so.

i have also seen Roscoroo get in front of a guy chansing me JUST so the guy would devert from me to him..kind of a HEY bellybutton HOLE OVER HERE!" they take the bate..i turn and pull back untill i black out..then i waste the guy whos chaseing Roscoroo.

Worked almost every time.



BaDkaRmA158Th @ Sirpimp158Th

Btw Roscoroo when were flying most of the time its two diffrent ppl..pimp and i are twins..but we dont change in flight nick so.

now you know.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Willi Winzig on August 26, 2002, 05:41:02 AM
LOL Greese

Just copied the poem for further use

wnz
:)
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: Vermillion on August 26, 2002, 06:42:09 AM
Did anyone actually look at Pands ping plot? The whole reason is right there.

Notice the 30% packet loss, and large variability on the last hop right before HTC?

Thats a clear sign of an asynchronous route thru his service provider.  Which means that the packets come to HTC thru one path, and go back thru another.  And the route back can only be pinged from the HTC end to check for its own problems.

30% packet loss is BAD all on its own, but the odds are that you also have an asynch route which adds its own problems.  Go back and search for this problem in the Connection forum, and read the replies from Scuzzy.  Just because you have DSL don't mean your connection is somehow magical (and the same goes for cable).

Hmmmm... let me bet that your problems get worse during prime time?

Oh and stop acting like an ass,  Pand.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: moose on August 26, 2002, 07:02:03 AM
And the award for smartest post in this thread goes to...

Vermillion!

Pand, if you're going to yell so much about CTDs the least you can do is post your specs. I don't understand why you haven't yet - the more information HTC or the tech heads on this forum have to work with, the better.

All I can see is people trying to help you and you just dismissing them. If you actually do care about geting your problems fixed maybe you should listen th what everyone else is saying. It's just childish behavior and I'm surprised that so many have even persisted in attempting to solve your problems after you treated them like dog crap.

oh, someone give KingTardFatz a kiss. He looks like he needs a man in his life.
Title: This Is Rediculous
Post by: SC-Sp00k on August 26, 2002, 09:07:13 AM
<----  Brushes spilt popcorn from front of shirt and reaches for another handfull.