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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Fancy on August 22, 2002, 10:35:15 PM
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I've only been playing AH for a month and a half now and I prefer to fly the N1K (although I've been practicing a lot on the FM2 as a fighter). Now as some of you have pointed out, the N1K is sometimes easy to kill as it is often poorly flown as many new players flock to the N1K because of all the whining you guys do. So, yes, I do suck as a pilot, but the N1K takes a lot of skill to fly right!!! In fact, being as slow as it is, it really penalizes bad flying. AND I SHOULD KNOW!! I mean at least a dozen planes can outrun it. Planes that have fled my N1Ky:
P-51
LA-7
F-4s
FM2
Typhoon
p-38
109
190 (although slowly)
etc
And there are a few planes that can outturn it (Most Spits seem to turn with it for the most part, although maybe slightly better). It does have a robust engine and it seems to keep speed well in turns, but come on it is no uberplane. I think you guys just all got miffed because some real talented pilots flew Georges so you started to whine about it and now all us new players use it so you just have further reason to whine.
Correct me if I'm wrong here.
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silence niki dweeb
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They whine because it is common. If the C.202 were, for some inexplicable reason, as common they'd whine about that too.
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nik pilot's are like sheep that go with the flock
when i was newbie i flew the p38
just fly the plane u love
and develop real skills
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N1K2s hurt people's mental pride.
1) No doubt, some planes are easier to fly than others. Planes like the Spitfire MkIX were known to be excellent and pleasant to fly in real life, and it is the same with AH. Pleasant and excellent.
Now, what I've noticed, on-line games playing against fellow human beings, are inevitably highly competitive. We thrill in the victories, and are angered in defeats. When this comes to something like AH, when you are beaten by a plane that is easy to fly than yours, you sometimes need a process of self-gratification to ease your anger(which is in truth, most cases, being angry to oneself) - "I didn't lose because I was less skilled. I lost because the guy had a better plane than me. If we were flying the same thing, I'd have won."
It's a pride thingy.
2) The N1K2 is an excellent plane. While it is not fast enough to dictate the fight, it makes up for awesome firepower and maneuverability. Planes like these are very difficult to catch without careful concentration which requires time - time which one often does not have enough in MA environment.
So, the story goes like this: There are my buddies and enemies fighting. We almost win, except this one guy in a N1K2 moves around, attempts HO, gets a lucky hit and drops our guys like flies. It's an angering sight, and we are determined to make the "dweeb" pay.. except the damned thing turns and dodges so good that it takes time. The fight drags on low, and by the time we are one second away from killing that N1K2, the enemy reinforcements arrive and shoots down all of us. We get mad, and we naturally blame the "fediddlein' " N1K2 for our mistake in SA and over-ragedness.
3) The N1K2 did some weird things in previous versions, and still does some weird things. Sometimes its performance is so good that it defies our conventional calculations and estimates. You do this, think there's no way a N1K2 can follow you, and then *pow* You turn out to be wrong, and you are shot down. To think that you, a guy who took months in mastering elaborate tricks and E-calculations, have been shot down by a super-easy-to-fly plane piloted by a guy who knows nothing but up-your-6 stick pulling.. hurts your pride.
4) Some people, or some squads specialize in the N1K2.. and often they are recognized for doing "dweeby" things. Most of them are excellent pilots, too.
Now, if there was a good pilot, who used a "hard" plane, reaching the level of excellency despite all the handicaps, people will look up to him and respect him. But when you see a pilot who would still be successful even if using other planes, stick to the N1K2 or Spit9 and rack up huge kills, naturally you begin to detest him. Most of us expect "character" that coincides with "skill" in a persona - the more skilled you are, the more character you have, and more modest you behave.
Somehow we think those people will limit their own greatness, or try and achieve great things with a handicap given, rise up to the challenge... but when we see a person with great skill sticking to easy stuff, we assume that "he's a schmuck". It's like the US Olympic Basketball team - 'dream team'. All the other world's playes are under-paid, under skilled amatuers, and this 'Dream Team' formed of multi-million dollar players with NBA skill-level rips apart all competition. People from other countries resent that.
Seeing an excellent pilot run at every disadvantage, come back with huge reinforcements, plow through the battle in that N1K2 and score two-digit kills, and then become the first one to run away at an impending crisis leaving all his team mates behind.. that disappoints a lot of pilots.
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So, all-in-all, it's mostly a mental thingy. :D
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
nik pilot's are like sheep that go with the flock
when i was newbie i flew the p38
just fly the plane u love
and develop real skills
And what if the plane you love is the N1K?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Would that be the same flock that leaps to the immediately offered excuse for dying, or is that a different flock?
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It's quite simple... they whine for the sake of whining. If they don't have the Niki to whine about, they will whine about something else. The rest of us just whine about whining. And so it goes, always was, and always will be. =o/
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The n1k does everything decently.
It's speed is okay but not top of the line.
It can dive with just about anything.
It can hold its own in a turning fight against most planes.
It's firepower is second only to the 4x hispano fighters.
My biggest complaint though is the hidden counter-rotating propeller, causing the small plane with the big damn radial engine to have prop torque comperable to the p38. Somehow I can believe everything about it's performance except for that.
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*Writes up the cordinates to Bug_Eaf's sheep on the back of his hand*
- You shall be liberated my friends
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Innominate is right on, even with the n1k's uber 'flaps' the thing has no torque spin;none zero zilch .. I think HTC forgot to model it on n1k ...
I've learned to extend from n1k's ; zooming , it's just stupid unless you have great e advantage:: i've had MORE e than a n1k zoomed to have them spray from d800 below and kill me; n1k will flop around at d800 like a damn Heli (i've never seen a n1k lose control/stall/torque even when airspeed is below 100mph)
; no loss of control from torque .. comeon such bs! with that much horsepower/rpm should spin like a top.
That's why AH'ers squeak about the n1k not because it can manuver with 4x20mm; hurri IC can do that better (but it still has torque)but because the UFO has less torque than a p-38 LMAO
Real pilots reported n1k doing impossible manuver's proably due to it's flap system.
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Shut up, Niki dweeb, you make me wanna vomit !
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vomit? :)
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Originally posted by Hristo
Shut up, Niki dweeb, you make me wanna vomit !
LOL
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Originally posted by Manedew
Innominate is right on, even with the n1k's uber 'flaps' the thing has no torque spin;none zero zilch .. I think HTC forgot to model it on n1k ...
n1k will flop around at d800 like a damn Heli (i've never seen a n1k lose control/stall/torque even when airspeed is below 100mph)
; no loss of control from torque .. comeon such bs! with that much horsepower/rpm should spin like a top.
Mandoble is that you ?
Really the n1k2 handles worse than a spitIX, it's just hard for people to accept .
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Originally posted by Fancy
Why does everyone whine about the N1K?
Everyone does not whine about it.
P.S. Hehe Hristo ;)
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Who is this niki I keep hearing about ?
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My biggest complaint though is the hidden counter-rotating propeller, causing the small plane with the big damn radial engine to have prop torque comperable to the p38. Somehow I can believe everything about it's performance except for that.
I don't know about the N1K2 specifically, but according to Jeff Ethell and some other recent test pilots the Bearcat is supposed to show limited effects of torque and p-factor (for example, practically no rudder input on takeoff) so I think it is possible to design an aircraft with a lot of power and little weight that can behave in this way. Again, I haven't read either way on the N1K2 in this regard.
Charon
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Everyone knows the NIk2 is most diffcult plane to fly in all AH. The N1K2 has 14929 kills and has been killed 12168 times, this only comes from skill and much training!
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- A couple of pings and u rip a wing.
- Not the fastest plane of the game but you are not always the lowest.
- barely turns worse than a spit, what a drama.
:rolleyes:
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Its ironic that this is the first thread dedicated to N1K whining since before you became a "member" of this BBS.
People haven't been whining about the N1K2 lately.. they've been killing them.
AKDejaVu
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Since we got the FM2, my only complaint with the N1K2 is that there aren't enough of them.
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You can't disengage whenever you want and run home in a n1k2, so it must be a dweeb plane .
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Nik was incorrectly modelled for ages. pissed people off.
Nik remodelled(muted a bit) and its a lot less of a UFO than it once was but its easily in the top 5 planes for EASE of flying and with those guns id say its in the top 5 for ease of shooting from.
MA is furball orientated because most fly the spit, la7 or niks.
Its not the fact they are so easy to fly so much as the amount of times you end up having to fight 2 niks 3 spits and a few la7s thown in for good measure.If they all are fighting a low slow fight it means you basically have to fly niks spits or la7s etc to get involved.It can be fun to fly them but i find turn and burning constantly gets very tiresome (fun for a while though it is) but what can you do? its either fly down there and fight on their terms or sit up at 15-20k bored outta your skull and that is no way to play for any long term customer unless your 'thing' is flying to live and 'playing it real' type preference.
I still think you should fly whatever you like and ignore all of us but if you want people to start noticing your skill, fly something that requires more skill to survive in or get kills in.You might even find you get a bigger kick from winning with an underestimated aircraft like those 202's or 109f's etc.
I personally recommend you try the p40E, its actually a great deal of fun to fight in, ok you die most of the time but when you do happen to win and survive its fantatsic :)
VARY YOUR RIDES :p
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And what if the plane you love is the N1K?
Than u are a natural born sheep
say mheeeee
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This should be the real question. Why do people whine about the same things over and over, hoping that something might meracilously change?
Karaya2
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If people don't like 'em just kill 'em. I've been targeting La's and N1k2's first for a few months now in the F6F...I'm with Popeye, we need more
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I think it's perception and how you feel about them. I don't worry about La-7's or N1K2's.. I just engage 'em.
Flying primarly the FM2 this tour and I'm killing them about 1.5 to 1 so far.
Uber planes? Can't fight 'em?
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The niki problem is way overrated. Put all those "dweebs" in 51s and then you start to have a problem.
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An FM2 will completly dominate a niki, there is absolutly no competition there, the fm2 is the un-whined dweeb plane. :D
The niki is a master of nothing, But it does everything well.
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Originally posted by Charon
I don't know about the N1K2 specifically, but according to Jeff Ethell and some other recent test pilots the Bearcat is supposed to show limited effects of torque and p-factor (for example, practically no rudder input on takeoff) so I think it is possible to design an aircraft with a lot of power and little weight that can behave in this way. Again, I haven't read either way on the N1K2 in this regard.
Charon
The Niki wasn't like that in real life, it really did have a vicious torque problem, especially at high and low speeds. In McGuire's Combat Tactics in the South West Pacific, he states that at high speeds some Japanese planes like the 'Tony' and 'George' (N1K2) couldn't turn to the right at high speeds from the torque and that at low speeds near the stall speed threshold, the engine torque was a major factor.
Ack-Ack
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It's no great secret why the N1K is so good. 4 cannons, lots of ammo, and the maneuverability to point them at you quickly. The N1K has enough climb to stop you from climbing away, enough speed to stop Spits from leaving when low and anything it can't catch it can HO with 4 cannons or spray out to D800 and never worry about running out of ammo.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out why the N1K is pretty good. For anyone who takes the time though, or has something faster, the N1K is easy food. Only the Spit dudes should really have bad problems with them when low.
-Soda
The Assassins.
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Originally posted by Soda
It doesn't take a genius to figure out why the N1K is pretty good. For anyone who takes the time though, or has something faster, the N1K is easy food. Only the Spit dudes should really have bad problems with them when low.
No problems with them here. I consider N1Ks priorities in a furball only because they're quick and easy to kill, and doing so clears out some of the flotsam in a hurry. Otherwise, I don't consider them much of a bother.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Eh, I personally don't whine about the Niki, but then again I fly it about once in a blue-moon (with an ENY that high the kills you get are next to worthless anyway).
The reason people whine generally is that it is easy to fly, packs a tremendous punch, and has a huge ammo pack. Its one of the few cannon armed crates you can comfortably spray and pray in. If the plane had the same amount of ammo as say the Hurri C you wouldn't hear people whining about it - well maybe not as much at least.
My opinion, FWIW: Its a late war plane, and they only made a few hundred. Make it as rare in the MA as it was in WW2. Perk it and be done (this'll never happen, so learn to live with it)
- SEAGOON
Oh and yeah, yeah, I know "Shut Up Niki Dweeb"
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Okay, for those who don;t know, I'm the originator of this thread (TL, DR), and I have to say that those guns are a bit large. One time, before my two week trial had even ended, I found myself 1 on 1 with an F4-U. I don't remember the exact situation, but I do know that the guy was outflying me easily. He had landed a few good pings on me (I think a flap and a gun were damamged) and was pretty much constantly on my six. I did something in my wild maneuvers to shoot myself up and then roll down to get a quick glimpse of his tail. I took the shots and with only ONE ping I saw his whole tail go flying into the sea. I think that's when I decided that I should stick with the N1K.
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i dont care about the nik its one of the easyer planes to kill along with the p38 and p47.. newer members will always be atracted to the big guns...
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No problem here . There is an AH squad called 343 kokutai . Know what the 343 kokutai flew in real life ? Saburo Sakai was a "nikdweeb"
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Folks whine when they get their butt handed to them....of course, it could never have anything to do with how they fly could it?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by hazed-
fly something that requires more skill to survive in or get kills in.
This line always cracks me up.
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Niki .. niki....
once upon time in Aces High N1K`s FM was somehow wrong... it dove better that P51, it could loop and keep gaining altitude.. and so on ... from those times are all N1K 'pilots' called NIKi dweebs..... and i have to join them :)
one who flys niki do ****** sheep
:D
btw greeting Mitsu :cool:
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The ignorance of newbies always stands out with Niki whines. Old timers understand the challenge of flying Niks. Its not getting kills in the thing. Its landing them.
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Seriously though, there's a little test proposed by bozon, which was posted in DaLadyzMon's thread named "Fighting that D*mn N1K" (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60252).
* Up a N1K, 100% fuel
* Accelerated to about 250mph after getting up 1000 feet.
* Gently pull on the stick until the speed drops under 100mph
* Hold the pitch angle manually so the speed ranges steadily between 80~95mph.
With the stall warnings kicking in the N1K holds it's yaw, pitch and roll axis super steady and climbs that way in 80~95mph at 2700~3000fpm indefinately.
I tried the test with a Spit9, A6M5, Bf109G-10 and La-7.
The Spit9 encountered shaking in the roll/yaw axis when it prolonged that super-low speed climb for too long, and soon, had to let the nose down a little to get some more speed over 100mph to regain stable control.
The A6M5 was very stable, much the same as the N1K2.
The Bf109G-10, once the speed hits under 100mph, couldn't hold that angle of climb manually and stalled.
Ditto with the La-7.
No wonder the N1K2 seemed to follow zooms like a helicopter. Anything short of a direct 90 degrees zoom, the N1K2 can follow. Even a Bf109G-10 stalls before the N1K2 does.
I'm a layman at aerodynamics. So here's my question.
If there's a plane that has massive torque, which is flying at high AoA at 80~100mph, shpuldn't it eventually stall out(like the Spitfires did?)?
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I understand planes with low wing loading have lower stall speeds and are usually much more stable near stall conditions.... but is what the N1K2 is capable of doing normal? :confused:
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n1k2 isn't a very light airplane, I don't know how heavy it's prop is , or how much torque it's engine produces . I know it doesn't do a very good tail slide like a zero or a spit .
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Anyone have any charted stall speeds or links to performance data for the N1K2?
Like this one for the P-51?
(http://www.icon.co.za/~pauljnr/51ss.gif)
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Subaro Sakai flew A6m2's. He test flew a N1K.
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This could be quickly resolved, but the people that can don't care ;) Live in fear little termite dweebs :)
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No Nacho, he wasn't hunting b29s in an a6m2, lol . He also flew the Raiden . He did choose to fly zero instead of a shiden kai for the last mission of the war .
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Torque has little affect on stall . Planes that have a nasty wing over tendancy (Fw190) in a stall will do that even with the engine off .
I did that climb stall test on four different planes, the TBM, the N1k2, the Tempest, the a6m5, all 100% internal fuel, no ordnance, no wep .
The TBM maintained climb much like the n1k2 at about 95mph IAS. The N1k2 maintained climb at about 95mph IAS. The Tempest maintained climb at about 80mph IAS . The A6m5 maintained climb at about 95mph IAS . Now who would say that the tempest has no torque in AH ?
The a6m2 although I didn't film it maintianed climb at about 60mph IAS :eek:
Here's the film .
http://home.satx.rr.com/suvorov/shidenwine.zip
[edit] I forgot, the 109f is on there too, best I could get out of it was 100mph, not as good as the 190d9 .
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:rolleyes: So sorry suave if he flew the N1K for 2 missions.
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Don't be sorry, you didn't do anything wrong, well except that emoticon . For that you should report to AKDeja straight away .
Oops that should say report to Dead Man flying, he posted about that not the Deja .
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I know. I've used it twice in a year....gah....Deja....just end it for me. :D
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Stall has nothing to do with torque??
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Stall has little to do with the prop. A deadstick 190 does a left wing drop/wingover in a stall, just as it does when it stalls with the engine on .
A stall occurs when the air is not passing over the wing fast enough to cause the negative pressure needed to give sufficient lift .
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Stall speed this--stall speed that, who cares anyway....
There are only 3 reasons to fly a N1k2 in AH.
A: You are Japanese and always loved the planes of your country.
B: You are too drunk to fly anything else.
C: You are a cheap trash trailer redneck with no character at all.
Comon guys! This supose to be a yankee sim, at least 70 % of you! So show a little courage, back up your country, be a good patriot and make the N1k2 dissapear from the top 3 list. For christ sake, nobody ever heard of that plane before AH ( and that goes for the La7 too, you depraved Punks!!) :D
Cheers
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Sling.. where's that quote of mine you sometimes slip into your sig block?
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That's very interesting Samm.
I know what a stall is, and when I questioned the relation with torque, I was more of asking the effect of torque under stall situations. I thought the tendency to "snap" into a certain direction was entirely due to torque(well, multiple factors collectively known as 'torque').
If the engine's dead, theoretically, wouldn't there be no reason at all why a plane should always snap into a certain direction?? If a engine on the 190 quits, and the pilot pulls the stick violently, there's no torque, no gyro effect, no P-factor, no propwash... and still it would always snap in one direction??? Why??
Now I'm getting real confused here.. :confused:
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When I tried the same test with the 109G-10, it felt like the speed was getting too low, and there wasn't sufficient lift under both wings to neuter the torque effect. The 109 would keep wobble to the left, careful rudder or aileron controls to counter it, until the point came no control was possible anymore and it succumbed, spinning left.
My perception of this phenomenon is, near stall conditions, there is not sufficient lift to counter torque and thus, the plane will want to roll and veer off to one side, as much as it would when taking off.. and then at a certain point the inevitable spin would develop. You are saying this is not true, and torque will not effect a plane at near stall conditions?? :confused: :confused:
.. Now I'm stumped.. :eek:
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Tourque will affect a plane very very much near stall. Have a plane fly straight up and then stand still in the air, prop turning one direction all physic laws say that they prop needs something to counter it (the rest of the airplane). Thus the plane will want to roll in the other direction.
As for why a plane with the prop feathered/not spinning I can't quite answer, it's all in the airplanes characteristics (gotto go and read up on my aerodynamics I see). As I am a glider pilot I know the tourque doesn't alone affect what direction the plane spins in as gliders too, usually spin in one and the same direction.
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I don't whine about the N1K2.. them's good perks.
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As a plane's speed slows and pressure on the controll surfaces decreases you need to apply more and more aileron to counter torque .
However.
Torque is not the reason why some planes tend to wing over when you're pulling back on the stick and others do not.
An example of a plane that has a tendancy to wing over when you pull back on the stick would be the c202, the spitfire, which is much like the c202 in terms of capabilities does not exhibit this tendancy as pronounced as the folgore does .
If you took the time to watch my film you'll note that the plane with the bigest prop and most horespower (Tempest) for whatever reason actually did the best at near stall climbing .
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So you are saying the overall stability of the roll, pitch, and yaw axis during a sustained climb near stall-speeds, as seen in the tests of some planes, is normal?
With my primitive imagination, shouldn't they(planes like the Tempest or the N1K2..) at least encounter much more trouble at keeping that speed/angle/climbrate than it is now? :confused:
I've seen that some other planes can also do that in AH. What I don't think I've seen is any comments about it.. Can it be considered normal?? :confused:
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Have any of you actually taken a Niki to 20k and tried to turn fight in it.
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Originally posted by easymo
Have any of you actually taken a Niki to 20k and tried to turn fight in it.
I've never, and still don't understand arguments like this. The same argument used to perk planes like the 152, is used to explain why the n1k2, la7, etc, don't dominate other aircraft.
Low alt performance, is more important than high alt performance.
Most of the fighting in AH happens under 10k. (Excepting certain parts of AK desert, a beautifully designed, if badly colored map, which DOES leave the la7 worthless in many areas) If you're flying a low-alt fighter and run into trouble, diving to the deck is always an option. At a disadvantage? Just dive to where your plane is best at. Now, look at the high-alt fighters, which are perked for it. The 152 is ONLY good at very high altitudes, where it will spend most of its time flying around looking for someone else that high. If a 152 gets jumped at 5000feet, there is no option for him to zoom to 25000feet where the plane will have an advantage.
And no, this isnt an unperk the 152, or even a perk the n1k2 whine. (It's a thinly disguised perk the la7 whine :D)
Just because a plane ONLY excels at low alt is not an important disadvantage. A plane which dominates only at low alt is MUCH better than a plane which dominates only at high alt.
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I was responding to this
(planes like the Tempest or the N1K2..)
Temp is a monster at any alt. This has to be one of the silliest things I have seen on this bb.
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This thread is lacking . It needs a couple scoops of Mandoble and a smidget of Tac .
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Originally posted by Samm
No problem here . There is an AH squad called 343 kokutai . Know what the 343 kokutai flew in real life ? Saburo Sakai was a "nikdweeb"
Saburo Sakai never flew the N1K in combat. After Iwo Jima, he was transfered to the Matsuyama Wing flying the N1K but before he entered combat, he wsa transfered back to the Yokosuka Wing flying J3M 'Jacks'. It was in the 'Jack' that Sakai hunted the B-29 in, not the N1K.
Sakai flew the A5M4 (Claude), A6M2 (Zero), A6M5 (Zeke) and the J3M (Jack) in combat.
So Nacho was correct :D
Planes of Saburo Sakai (http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/IJARG/sakai.html)
Ack-Ack
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Hello fellow confused pilots,
First off thanks to Kweassa for mentioning me in a post, I've finally been referenced by someone, this is big! Second, I have a film of the N1k test and got about 80-85 ias for the climb of 3000 fpm. How does this happen? I know a tempest can do a prop hang but it's not climbing very much at all! Any chance HTC will see this? Prolly not since it's titled about an N1k whine...
Jason
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Prop hang? Who in their right mind turns a tempest?
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Originally posted by akak
Saburo Sakai never flew the N1K in combat. After Iwo Jima, he was transfered to the Matsuyama Wing flying the N1K but before he entered combat, he wsa transfered back to the Yokosuka Wing flying J3M 'Jacks'. It was in the 'Jack' that Sakai hunted the B-29 in, not the N1K.
Ack-Ack
Isn't that what I said ?
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I posted this earlier in the thread. But people are still saying the n1k2 can do special things that other planes can't .
Originally posted by Samm
I did that climb stall test on four different planes, the TBM, the N1k2, the Tempest, the a6m5, all 100% internal fuel, no ordnance, no wep .
The TBM maintained climb much like the n1k2 at about 95mph IAS. The N1k2 maintained climb at about 95mph IAS. The Tempest maintained climb at about 80mph IAS . The A6m5 maintained climb at about 95mph IAS . Now who would say that the tempest has no torque in AH ?
The a6m2 although I didn't film it maintianed climb at about 60mph IAS :eek:
Here's the film .
http://home.satx.rr.com/suvorov/shidenwine.zip
[edit] I forgot, the 109f is on there too, best I could get out of it was 100mph, not as good as the 190d9 .
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Originally posted by Samm
Isn't that what I said ?
Nope...
(http://www.hispanicvista.com/assets/479th_shield.jpg)
Ack-Ack
479th Fighter Group
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Originally posted by Samm
No Nacho, he wasn't hunting b29s in an a6m2, lol . He also flew the Raiden . He did choose to fly zero instead of a shiden kai for the last mission of the war .
Yep..
I never said he hunted b29s or anyting else in n1ks .
Nacho said all he flew was a6m2, you say Nacho is correct, but as you and I also pointed out he flew the also flew the Raiden, as well as other types of zero .
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BTW the Yokosuka kokutai had shiden kais in 1945 .
The pilots who were all frustrated at the sudden surrender sprung on to their planes which were already started. There were ten Zeros and five or six Shiden-kais. I chose the nearest Zero. I thought I would never fly the Zero again, so I was very excited about having the chance to fly again.
It wasn't just because the Zero was nearest to me that I chose the Zero. Ever since it's debut in 1940, I was into my sixth year flying and fighting on the Zero. In fact a Shiden-kai, then the state-of-the-art fighter plane, was paked even closer to where I was than the Zero I flew. However, I instinctively chose the Zero, not even considering the Shiden-kai. the thought that flashed in my mind then was this;
"The Pacific War was started by the Zero. This is probably going to be the last air battle in WW2, and I would want to let the Zero place it's name in history as having fought that last battle!"
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Originally posted by Samm
Yep..
I never said he hunted b29s or anyting else in n1ks .
Nacho said all he flew was a6m2, you say Nacho is correct, but as you and I also pointed out he flew the also flew the Raiden, as well as other types of zero .
You may not have said it directly but you clearly implied it in your somewhat mocking response to Nacho. And yes, Nacho is still correct when he posted that Sakai only flew training missions in the N1K.
No Nacho, he wasn't hunting b29s in an a6m2, lol .
(http://www.hispanicvista.com/assets/479th_shield.jpg)
Ack-Ack
479th Fighter Group - Riddle's Raiders
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Ok, so what I said was right but what I didn't say was wrong .
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Some have said torque has little effect on a stall. While that may be true for a stall, torque has a lot of effect on a spin.
When I first took flying lessons in the 70's I practiced stalls in a Piper Tomahawk at high AOA both with power off and applied. Departure from flight was much more pronounced with power applied.