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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: fdiron on August 23, 2002, 10:45:59 AM
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I've seen quite a few 'war' movies, and I've always wondered which movie portrayed an actual fire-fight the best. Now I've read that no two combat engagements are ever the same, but I seriously doubt that the John Wayne World War II movies showed combat as it usually is.
My vote goes to the Vietnam era fire-fight in "Forrest Gump". Gump's platoon is marching through a rice paddy, with a tree line a few hundred yards ahead of them. Suddenly fifteen or twenty 'twinkling' muzzle flashes can be seen in the jungle and green tracers start zooming by. You can't see any actual VC or NVA, just the muzzle flashes. Somehow the VC or NVA manage to fire a mortar from the jungle and it starts bracketing the platoon (which are hiding behind a rice paddy dike).
However, after this point in the movie, things get a little bit 'creative'. But, I think this first half of the fight is realistic.
From the first person accounts I have read, this seems to be the most 'probable' form of a fire-fight that could be depicted in a movie.
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Pearl Harbor
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Pearl Harbor
LOL!
"Instead of using our machine guns in our planes, let's play chicken like we used to when we were boys back home, forcing the silly Zeros to collide when we pull up!"
Saving Private Ryan.
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Originally posted by Kieran
LOL!
"Instead of using our machine guns in our planes, let's play chicken like we used to when we were boys back home, forcing the silly Zeros to collide when we pull up!"
Saving Private Ryan.
I was refering to that realistic scene where we pull that nasty zero right past the tower so we can kill it with a shotgun.... now that's good cinema!
I agree with SPR, best 20 minutes of film ever IMHO at the beginning. And the attack on the machine gun nest seemed very realistic to me.
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Saving Private Ryan or Black Hawk Down.
Karaya2
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Thin Red Line.
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Heat
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My vote goes for Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinkin' Your Juice in the Hood. :D
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A similar thread occured in full-auto.com. The post bank robbery scene in Heat is one of the best I've seen. They all appear to change mags, some noted not as frequently as necessary but still at least they do it.
mauser
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Band of Brothers, every episode.
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True Romance... :D
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"The A Team"
I ain't gettin' on no plane, Hannibal!
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Some of the World War II films shot while the war was in progress showed some pretty realistic fire-fights. Or shall we say they were as realistic as the censors would allow back then. They ought to be placed in a different category from more modern films. Each decade since the war produced films that were grittier than those that had gone before.
Private Ryan gets my vote for most realistic "modern" film.
Which films would be the best or most realistic of the "older" genre?
Regards, Shuckins
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The rocket/small arms attack on the riverboat in Apocolypse Now always struck me as incredibally realistic.
Also, several Vietnam firefights portrayed in CHARLEY MOPIC seemed to have a lot of realism.
These are just two off the top of my head...
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Dead on, the visuals in Charlie Mopic.
The first minutes of SPR had the best sound capture imo. Hollywood always enhances the sounds individually for effect of the local shot.
When the guy is firing the mg (in a movie) and the sound of the mg is the loudest thing you hear, or the mortar, or the plane flying over etc.
Best as I remember in combat, it is just the "amount" of sound all mixed up together just overwhelming the senses. At times so loud a person could not even "hear" his own rifle firing.
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The Matrix! ;)
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Saving Private Ryan....incredible.
Platoon had some 'good' firefights.
It would be interesting to get responses from those that actually were in combat as to what was realistic.
How about also best air combat movie?
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Full Metal Jacket.
The 'Sniper Scene' from the burned city was for it's time pretty awesome, if not completely horrible in it's reality.
Always made me cringe anyways.
The shots blowing off the cement from the building from the M60, and certainly the sniper hitting the guys trapped in the open. Arrrg.. riveting.
COWBOY
Doc Jay and Eightball are wasted! You know
that!
ANIMAL
MOTHER
roadkill! Come on, you guys! We gotta go
bring'em back!
Let's go get 'em! Let's do it!
COWBOY
Stand down,
Mother! That's a direct order!
ANIMAL MOTHER
diddly you,
Cowboy! diddly all you amazinhunks!
ANIMAL MOTHER jumps over the wall and
runs
screaming and firing his M-60.
The squad fires to cover him,
blasting chunks of
mortar and concrete from the buildings.
ANIMAL MOTHER
(screaming)
diddlying son-of-a-squeak! You
motherdiddlyer!
Aaagh! Whooo!
ANIMAL MOTHER reaches the buildings
and drops
down against a shattered wall. He calls across the
open
street.
ANIMAL MOTHER
Doc! Doc! Doc! Where's the
sniper?
DOC JAY tries to speak.
ANIMAL MOTHER
Doc,
where's the sniper?
Barely able to move, DOC JAY tries to point in the
direction of the SNIPER.
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The Good the Bad the Ugly., Tried that 3 way shoot out with paintguns once .. needless to say it got ugly.
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Either Heat or Proof of Life.
Heat's gunfight scene was co-ordinated by none other than Andy McNabb of "Bravo two zero" fame, formerly Brit SAS.
Proof of Life's rescue at the end is one of my favorites, although they hollywooded parts of it up (knifing sentry down with a gerber multi tool (WTF!?!?), etc.). The M249 SAW gunner point of view was really well done in my opinion.
Also, one of my favorite scenes, not movies, is in the forgettable Clear and Present Danger, when they had a gun-camera attached to Chavez's Mp5...I found this to be a very cool shot to use in a gunfight, with the recoil bouncing the picture, and giving the audience an idea of what the sight picture in a knock em down, drag em out gunfight would look like when everything is going crazy.
As for Midnight Target's answer, that put a smile on my face for a couple hours or so. I just can't stop laughing during parts of that movie.
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The opening scenes of "Enemy at the Gate" did it for me.
TTFN
snafu
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All Quiet on the Western Front- 1933
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Not that I think Platoon was the best war movie, just like what Barnes said so now I got the perfect opportunity to unleash his words upon you all.
"What you all are experts, all you hotheads
you all know anything about killin
what do you smoke this stuff for
to escape reality, well I am reality"
Barnes -- Platoon
Hehe Barnes was cool, too bad he killed whats his name. :D
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Originally posted by funkedup
Band of Brothers, every episode.
2nd this
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Meet the feebles.
The scene where the squad is walking through the jungle..
"Charlie was close, soooo close we could almost see him."
"Where's 8-ball?"
They turn back and see 8-balls face through the foliage.
"8-ball! We thought the gook's got you!"
Then the picture moves and shows 8-balls head stuck on a pole and gooks rushing in capturing the rest of the squad.
Absolute film classic. :)
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There was this british movie about the SAS called "Final Hour" or something. That was a great movie also but wasnt normal war flick, more a terrorist flick. Was probably made in late 70s or early 80s.
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The matrix! :D
No seriously, I haven't seen many movies, but I'll have to say SPR
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A really sad scene from Platoon was when the helicopter took off with Charlie Sheen and gang all inside and William Dafoe was still on the ground getting shot up. Charlie looked up at Barnes and knew that Barnes had somehow killed Dafoe. Platoon didnt have the best combat scenes but it was still entertaining.
PS: You can buy it here at http://www.barnesandnoble.com for all you DVD lovers out there.
:)
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Maybe (and just maybe), SPR before anyone got to the beach and any characters were introduced. After that, it was pure John Wayne. People died when they were supposed to and avoided being hit when they were supposed to. (Despite the germans being dead accurate one second, they couldnt hit a barn the next).
For the best firefights (not necesarrily realistic), watch ' The Killer' and 'Hard Boiled':D
Daff
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Saving Privet Ryan the Opening.....
.oh my God...it almsot made me leave,,,,,
I still cant beleive we had young men opening LVt doors to machine gun nests...
funny is i just wacthed it last night....my heart drops to see that...
I alos beleive the Paratroop drop on Band of Brohteres was done EXtremely well..the Flak and tracers at nigth was ...well...Done very well....Seeing Goonys going down in flames w/ paratroopesr jumping out on fire..makes you never want to send any 1 to war....
Its very hard still for me to accept people saying..Well How many soldiers will this costs us??...you know each one of these guys has a family..truly a diddlying sad thing about this world....
Ying -Yang....
Love & Respect
BiGB
xoxoxo
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Band of Brothers, every episode - good call Funked.
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lol just saw that..
HArdboiled is an excellent film too..
Crap there are too many Extremly well done action fliks..so i guess we have to say ...What movie has the most partts in it that are well done...
Love BiGB
xoxoxo
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Jesus BGB, take Udies blood sugar MEDs for Gad's sake.
They took the beach, and then Europe. Steven Spielberg just made for film what he could as real as possible.
Guys fly AH P-47's and fight about scores. Don't flip.
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LOL, I saw Saving Private Ryan with my girlfriend and when it was over, she threw up in the parking lot. Poor thing (some woman are tougher than others) I had no idea it was gona be that violent. Hehe, great combat scenes though. I liked the scene when an enemy soldier caught a 20mm shell and blew in half. Now thats what I paid 8 bucks to go see not like the thin red line movie for war wussies.
:D
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The two that really horrify me and let me know deep down that war is a horrible and brutal thing are:
1) The german film "Stalingrad". There's many horrifying scenes (in the sewers, at a field hospital and house to house fighting) but I think the worst for me in that film was a bunch of germans in a penal battalion defending a position against a russian attack of tanks and troops (and the tanks looked like Real T34's as well none of this dressed up M48 crap you see in most WWII movies).
2) In "A Bridge too far" there is a scene where polish(?) paratroopers are dropped right in the middle of an SS regiment and are duly slaughtered as they are floating down by the troops AND the mobile AA they had.
ZePolar Bear
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Matewan
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Originally posted by XNachoX
My vote goes for Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinkin' Your Juice in the Hood. :D
YEEEEAH!!!
Great movie!!!
:):):)
I'll add Chapayev.
Suspence, when Anka can't reload the machine-gun, and White-Guards are marching with bayonets...
I doubt it's for real, but it's the most pathetic combat scene ever filmed. When Red cavalry comes and Whites run away dropping their rifles... And Chapayev with his sabre, wearing his burka and papaha...
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VH1 Divas
Cobra
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That firefight with the blonde robot girls shooting their teats in the first AUSTIN POWERS film was pretty realistic, too, don't forget that. :p
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Most realistic firefight?
Michael Douglas and Kathleen Tuner in War of The Roses
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Originally posted by Daff
Thin Red Line.
Yup........and I know it's not WWII, but Gettysburg has got some nice "Gaggles".
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The post bank robbery scene in Heat
I think this is actually one of the few, if not the only except for Black Hawk Down where they use real tactics with covering/moving.
Saving Private Ryan and The Thing red line are also very good and so is We were Soldiers.
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Blackhawk down
We were soldiers
memphis belle
platoon leader
hamburger hill
NAM:tour of duty
Iron triangle* cool
casualties of war
bat21
born on the 4th of july
flight of the intruder
full metal jacket
the boys of company C
seige of firebase gloria
POW
midway
hm....should make this my hobby
Pearl Harbour?-how the hell do those guys in vals pull such maneouvers and loosen off one bomb in less than one second and pull out the next and be damn accurate...and whats it wif ppl saying "i can't shake him" when they didn't even attempt to shake him!
Irons eagles...now thats some crappy movie with f16s firing mavericks as air to air weapons and crappy fly-straight-can't-shake-him scenes...and with f5s in one clip and an f16 the next
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i want to change my answer from "Matewan" to "The Fighting Lady"
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would add "Enemy at the gates".
lazs
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Oh... would also add "Way of the Gun" and 3000 miles to graceland.
lazs
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I'll second that one
Any time it's on, I'll watch at least parts of it.
Originally posted by easymo
Most realistic firefight?
Michael Douglas and Kathleen Tuner in War of The Roses
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Glory
When Matthew Brodrick leads the Black Union Troops in a charge on Confederate Fort.
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I'm kind of surprised that no one mentioned Tombstone. I know I know, hollywood treatment and all that... however. The scene is taken shot for shot from Wyatt Earps testimony on the matter. Everything that Earp mentions in his court testimony is included in the scene. It's "realistic" in that sense.
-Sikboy
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Black hawk down..
havent seen band of brothers.
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Cross of Iron
Heat
Tronsky
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"Flying Leathernecks" was a good WWII air combat movie. Had F4fs, F6f Hellcats, Corsairs also and lotsa color footage from real gun cameras and starred of all people John Wayne. The combat scenes really showed the violence of AirCombat in the thick of it. It was much better than "Flying Tigers" which I thought only had some cool scenes of the P-40s when they landed etc... The combat scenes in FT were goofy.
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Pongo....
if you enjoy WW2 history...Def get some copies of the 10 part series of Band -of Brothers....
The parachute drop is insane!!!
I only hope we can get graphics liek that of tracers and such shooting thru clouds...
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Did any of you guys ever see "way of the gun"? It's well worth seeing... done by the guy who did "the usual suspects".
lazs
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In Gladiator, after Maximus commands, "Unleash Hell!!!!"
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Bridge too Far
Lost Battalion
Gettysberg
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I haven't seen BHD, but of the movies I've seen, the ones that disturbed me most:
Saving Private Ryan
Hamburger Hill
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Hamburger Hill was based on a true story. Think the 101st took over 300% casualties trying to take that hill.
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Originally posted by fdiron
Hamburger Hill was based on a true story. Think the 101st took over 300% casualties trying to take that hill.
I heard 75% but then who knows how they tallied the end result. In the end, it was all very sad. I give thanks for having been born when I was: 1964.
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Have u ever seen "Talvisota" movie?
If u havent see it u should. its one of the best realistic warmovies in the world!
Also called Winter war.
Black hawk down was also good. Thnx....
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300%?
Did they shoot em twice after they were dead?
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SPR for sure, still watch it just for those damn good fighting scenes. And i read above that when the 20mm sawed the guy in half hell yeah that is exactly what I wanted to see too!
Stalingrad
Iron Cross
FMJ
Platoon
That damn movie with Mel Gibson in Vietnam was good too.
Every John Wayne movie because well he is the Duke.
Tora Tora Tora
When Harry met Sally
Tombstone "Oh Hell yeah"
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Originally posted by midnight Target
300%?
Did they shoot em twice after they were dead?
No, during the attack a platoon would be killed off (100% casualties) so they would send in another platoon (all lost again) then another... (just to take a hill many thought was stategically unimportant):(
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dusk til dawn , the Bennie's house of licour store scene, were the store teller is actually on fire and shooting back .. oops thats not really a western ...
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Actually casualtie means wounded or killed. I think there were around 350 American WIA/KIA.
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-Saving Private Ryan (first 30 minutes) - the sound is what does it I think.
-Thin Red Line - Realistic behavior - men just pointing guns over a barrier and pulling the trigger without aiming, etc.
-Blackhawk Down - Again, realistic behavior - dropping weapons, confusion, etc
-Heat - Classic... and... they actually CHANGE mags! :D
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I know this tread was opened on firefights, but I think for just all out fighting my vote would go to Bravehart.
For firefight I would pick Band of Brothers.
LBE182 VMF-323 Death Rattlers
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The sound in SPR sounds extremely good, but the picture is sort of John Wayne.
The first part of Enemy at the gates is wonderful, even though I'm baffled how the Germans didn't win it :confused:
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Anyone mention "We Were Soldiers" yet? I rented it over the weekend and was hooked. That film should bag a truckload of nominations and awards, hands down.
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Originally posted by gofaster
Anyone mention "We Were Soldiers" yet? I rented it over the weekend and was hooked. That film should bag a truckload of nominations and awards, hands down.
Bought it. Wow!
Check out the deleted scenes. Some definitely should have been left in.
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pokiemon!! the movie!
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My favorite ones for what approximated actual combat from peoples eyes who have been in it. Not necessarily in this order.
Band of Brothers
Black Hawk Down
SPR
We were Soldiers
This list is according to hearing my granddad talk about fighting the Japanese in the South Pacific. After he saw the different movies. For him the most realistic would be a combination of all those listed.
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Heres a photo for all you ROMAD fans out there.
:D
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Iron Eagle is lame, but I still enjoy the part when he cranks up "Gimme some Lovin" by the Spencer Davis Group while bombing Abdulbadguyarabdictators base. Besides, that movie rocked when i was in 8th grade.:D
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sweet pic senna, we just finished that movie at the station:D