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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Fritz- on July 24, 1999, 12:47:00 AM
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It Still amazes me that the old gamers attitude that the Mac is a to small a market to invest in still prevails.. Apple Computer sales continue to increase and Jobs himself has thrown much interest of the expansion of Apple in the Games Market. Still AH probably cannot afford to develop two versions at the same time.. So they take the Safe option..
I have a Suggestion ! Talk to Apple about your Game and see what they say or offer..
As for those PC heads who childishly insult the Mac !! They have more than likely Never Used one........
I have to use a PC at work and its something I personally would Never buy. My PowerMac is everything I ever wanted in a Computer.. a dream machine.. Plus the option for me is Simple.. I stay in WarBirds and Mac On.. If my outfit leaves I will simply join another that doesnt..
If AH smells Safe money they will soon change their minds.. In the end thats what it comes down to.. the curse of modern man-made society...
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Stirring cauldron...
dh
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I never owned or used a mac, I am sure they are great. But flying Dawn of Aces a lot I can say that if the recources arent available to support the mac its better to be left out. DOA supports the mac...but it doesn't, they had a mac version up untill a month ago and since then the mac guys have been out of the game. Even before they didnt
have a full featured version, no 3d, and near everything had to be done with dot commands as the interface wanst compleated.
The doa NG is full of angry mac users that want in. If the recources arent there to make it happen, then its better left out than to end up with a situation like doa.
Thats my take on it anyway, nothing against the mac or any mac users.
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Rosco
*Flying Aces*
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I used a mac at work for about 2 years (several years ago), and then had the *cough* opportunity *cough* to configure a brand new mac for my grandparents about one year ago. I found that while getting lots of things working was very easy with the mac (a complete OS re-install was a matter of popping the CD in and saying GO!), when things didn't work right it was a complete hassle figuring out where to change settings and stuff. In addition, I couldn't convince the base text editor to open a simple config file, and I couldn't figure out how to change the config file tag to a text file tag. I KNOW it was a simple text file with settings in it, but the OS wouldn't let me look at it. Strange.
I couldn't get the modem to dial or hang up properly when some sound driver or whatever they're called was loaded, so the mac became soundless in order to get the modem to work. It was a simple external modem attached to the port labelled "attach external modem here", but there was a conflict somewhere. With the OS blocking me from getting into the config files, I had no way to actually fix the problem so I simply had to disable the sound service.
In a PC, I would have been able to instantly check all config files, check out the device mangler to see if there were any resource conflicts, etc etc. It was probably something very simple, but I spent about 10 hours clicking on every single button and running every single system utility without finding out how to change anything without using their config menu (which hid the actual settings).
I guess that's easy to use... push the button and either it works or it doesn't, I'm enough of a control freak that I'll stick with my horribly complex "window manager on top of DOS" kludge called win98 because at least I have the option of messing it up myself (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Oops, this is off topic. Ah well I'm bored, sorry Pyro.
I guess I can add some AH based content... uh... Will AH run on those new toilet-seat applebooks? If so, will there be options for those who are stuck with a single mouse button and won't buy a mouse with 2 buttons?
There (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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I have been in computer (and telecom) business about 10 years and I have seen Mac only once in my lifetime and that was in some science fair as demo machine.
Mac's are definitely not very popular in here Finland.
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Obfr. jochen 'Stern von Afrika' 2./ Jagdgeschwader 27 'Afrika'
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Hmm Spit vs 190, Chevy vs Ford, Mac vs PC... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).I never owned a MAC and I prolly never will. I remember some Apple-junkie telling me how great the IMAC was. I said: "I would never buy a Computer that doesn t even have a floppy drive installed." His reply: "Aww you don t need disks anyway..." "But what if I wanna make a backup?" "Man you re so conventional...you can back your data up online..that's the way of the future"...Yeah right (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I m not saying MACs are bad: I used to use them professionally in my old publishing company, where they used Quark Xpress for MAC.
It's just not my kinda Computer and I don t think that HTC wanted to make an "Anti-Mac" statement when they decided not to develop a Mac version. Who knows? Maybe in a few months when they have the time and resources to do it, they might re-consider...
You guys are just too touchy about your favourite toys..kinda reminds me of the AMIGA crowd in Germany a couple of years ago who ran around with "NO Intel inside" and "Back for the Future" T-Shirts on a crusade against "EVIL" Bill Gates.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
This message contains sarcasm. If you feel offended: flame on!
Sascha
[This message has been edited by Sascha JG 77 (edited 08-23-1999).]
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I said: "I would never buy a Computer that doesn t even have a floppy drive installed." His reply: "Aww you don t need disks anyway..." "But what if I wanna make a backup?" "Man you re so conventional...you can back your data up online..that's the way of the future"...Yeah right
I use Macs, I use PC's. Whatever is the best tool for the job. (just so happens that the Mac is often much better at the job) I wouldn't buy an iMac. Would you/did you buy a IBM PCjr? Why not??
Lack of expandability? Stupid "chicklet" keyboard? Sound familiar?
The iMac--NOT fer everyone.
I just wish we could all just get along...in AH (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
dh
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Err...what s an "IBM PC jr."?
**This is not sarcasm..I really never heared about it**
Oh and BTW..that was what my post was all about..trying to tell people to get along with each other (in a ..well..weird kind of way).
After all? Who friggin cares what kind of puter you or I or anybody have on their desks? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sascha
[This message has been edited by Sascha JG 77 (edited 08-23-1999).]
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Err...what s an "IBM PC jr."?
It was IBM's "home" machine from the early 80's. It is probably best known for it's wireless "chiclet" keyboard.
Now to the point at hand. Yes, there are a lot of Macs out there. Yes, the Mac can be a good game machine. And, yes, I think it's crazy to support the both PCs and Macs in a game like AH.
In supporting both platforms, you need to maintain a level playing field between platforms (which means you program for the lowest common denominator). It also means you need to make simultaneous releases. While a lot of PC games are ported to the Mac, how often do you see a simultaneous release? IMHO, supporting both platforms merely creates a lot of headaches which the incremental increase in revenue (assuming it outstrips costs) does not outweigh.
Rolo
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Apple has slipped so far that I really don't see a reason to produce a Mac version of AH. According to Statmarket (www.statmarket.com) the Mac OS comes in at just 2.48% of online users and continues to fade. Compare that to Windows which rates a stagering 94.77%. Heck, at this rate it won't be long until it makes more sense to produce a LINUX version than Mac, hehe.
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What's the point of this post?
Seems to me it's just a reason to b$$$ch about HA not supporting a particular platform , so what? If I'm developing a program then don't I get to decide what I write it in and to what platform I want my program to run on?
Seems to me thats what the HA people are doing, it's their right why raise such a fuss over it?
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I'm a Mac user at home and work (used to be PC about 8 yr ago) and was delighted that WB supported Mac. But the kids are getting older now and fact is that all the newest and greatest games come out for PC first, then maybe for Mac some time later.
So, for the kids I started looking into PC's. Read Tom's Hardware Guide, Sharkyextreme, PCmechanic etc, and have enjoyed custom configuring my own computer. Got a great system from www.gamepc.com. (http://www.gamepc.com.) Super glad i did too so now Dad gets to enjoy AH (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But even as a Mac user I frankly was embarrased by the harrassment my colleagues gave WB developers. Based on that history alone I can see why AH would not be chomping at the bit to support Mac.
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If I'm developing a program then don't I get to decide what I write it in and to what platform I want my program to run on?
Sure, pal, knock yerself out.
But if you want to make money at it, it becomes an elephant of an entirely different hue...
If HTC can meet all of it's corporate goals solely on the Windows side, terrific. I would think, tho, in the normal flow of economics, deliberately excluding 2 million new customers a year would give me sumpin to think about...
just sayin<tm>
dh
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Apple has slipped so far that I really don't see a reason to produce a Mac version of AH. According to Statmarket (www.statmarket.com) the Mac OS comes in at just 2.48% of online users and continues to fade. Compare that to Windows which rates a stagering 94.77%. Heck, at this rate it won't be long until it makes more sense to produce a LINUX version than Mac,
hehe.
Ain't it great the way you can make statistics sound?
If you had read it, Krunch, you would have noticed that: ALL STATISTICS ARE BASED ON DAILY VISITORS TO SITES USING WEBSIDESTORY TECHNOLOGY. Of which there are a mere 124K sites.
These "statistics" do not represent ANY market information--merely the dweebs who visited these sites.
Here's one for you-- Apple sold 2.57 BILLION worth of CPU's last year. Stick that in yer Pentium and smoke it.
dh
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But even as a Mac user I frankly was embarrased by the harrassment my colleagues gave WB developers. Based on that history alone I can see why AH would not be chomping at the bit to support Mac.
Hmmm, didn't know about that. Mac peeps in AW are so straight they won't even let ya cuss on the NG, that is, until they discontinued it, at which point we became vicious and bitter....
dh
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Roger wrote,
"But even as a Mac user I frankly was embarrased by the harrassment my colleagues gave WB developers."
IMHO this is something peculiar to Apple Computer and it's customers. Steve Jobs has developed a brand loyalty so strong that in many cases it turns into blind, religious extremism. AH will take a lot of crap for not going Mac by a very small but vocal group of users. HOWEVER, if they include a Mac version this group will give them a whole lot MORE grief over the long haul.
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Horn,
if AH isn't going to be Mac compatible I'm sure HITECH has done plenty of research to back up that decision. The 124,000 sites that Statmarket uses are broad enough to get an accurate picture of the online market. Hightech Creations, like any business is all about getting return on investment. You seem to be taking their lack of MAC support as some sort of personal attack. It's not. Spending time on a Macintosh version probably isn't as viable an investment for such a focused product like AH.
As for the chips...
Are you sure that Apple sold 2.57 billion worth of cpu's last year? Do you have a link I can check that out at? Near as I can tell, and I could be wrong, Apple has about 6 billion a year in revenue. Are you saying that nearly 50% of their total revenue comes from CPU's?
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>Sure, pal, knock yerself out.
To be sure I do,
>But if you want to make money at it, it >becomes an elephant of an entirely different >hue...
>If HTC can meet all of it's corporate goals >solely on the Windows side, terrific. I >would think, tho, in the normal flow of >economics, deliberately excluding 2 million >new customers a year would give me >sumpin to think about...
So based on your opinion if I as a developer want to make any money with my programs I HAVE to program for a small percentage of the computer world. Get real.
Since you are so fond of quoting numbers mind telling me where the stats for the 2 million new users came from? For it to be fair to it should come from an disinterested 3rd party.
I don't trust MS and their claim to a user base, nor would I trust Apple to quote me an accurate number.
I guess my point to all this is HiTech and Co made a decision and stated upfront that they would not be developing for the mac.
Why is it then that the mac users get up in arms and are basically trying to badger them into developing their game for it anyway.
[This message has been edited by Tigger (edited 08-24-1999).]
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It was obvious from the first post where this thread would go. Do us all a favour and lock it now, eh?
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Hey Krunch/Tigger:
Go here: www.freeedgar.com/ (http://www.freeedgar.com/)
Shows all data relevant to sales (it is part of the annual Apple 10-K filing) of Apple for I think 8 qtrs. Makes for interesting reading--the gross margin on sales was 27%!!!! PC vendors would kill fer such a margin.
And no, website response is not valid in determining a market. As an example, what if we decided to monitor for OS the Apple site? Or for that matter the IBM site? Would the conclusions be without suspicion? Nyet.
The 2 million new users was derived from sales of JUST iMacs (just in 3 qtrs). They only sold 850,000 G3/PowerMacs. Why am I concerned so much w/ numbers? Well, that's how companies make decisions on their products and directions--determining the customer base. HiTech says the number is "unknown"--I'm just tryin to help. By the question I'm assuming you would use innuendo and stuff you heard from "people".
just sayin<tm>
(sigh)
dh
Is it just me, or did these messages all 'o the sudden get reely wide?
[This message has been edited by Horn (edited 08-24-1999).]
PS. Sorry Ronnie. Didn't know. "Ignorance is bliss"
[This message has been edited by Horn (edited 08-29-1999).]
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Oh, and btw, I am not up in arms about
any of this-- I'm just dissappointed that I
won't be able to fly with you guys--even if you are a buncha elitist WB pukes.
It is entertaining, however, to straighten out certain, uh, "misconceptions" rampant over in the "Darkside" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
dh
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Horn, I can't get that URL to work. Could you check it out again?
As for the URL's... they didn't get those off the IBM or Mac site. Those are from 124 thousand scattered, and independent sites. That's a pretty broad sample. I wouldn't trust those figures to tell me what the exact ratio of PC to Mac sales are. HOWEVER, they sound pretty rock solid as far as web usage. 124 thousand web sites is a massive base to get info from. The last site I built www.rapfoto.com (http://www.rapfoto.com) in connected to a tracking program on the server it's stored on. After thousands and thousands of hits Mac users came in at 5% of the total. That's higher than the numbers given by statmarket but it's not far off.
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Sorry Krunch--I couldn't get it to work either--try this:
goto www.apple.com/investor (http://www.apple.com/investor)
click on "Annual Reports"
click on "Click here to view the 1998 10-k"
scroll down to Part II, Table2.
Some of the other tables are interesting, too.
Here's an exercise--what percentage is 124K websites of the total number of websites available? If it is a large percentage, say, over 50%, well then I might hafta agree. I submit the number is more like 5%. If so, ur sayin that a 5% sample gives a solid number?
dh
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All those number's are moot points what numbers I use is % of online flight sim players using the mac. I did learn those number's very well. Rember I was the CEO of ICI and tracked those number all the time along with usage time of pc v mac and easy mode v real mode and churn rate,% deletions after first month and lots of other things. We do know the bussness.
I also know the expense side of producing a mac version and dont assume its just the cost of porting, every release takes double testing, more time in putting a release together.You also need to provide customer support which is either more training or more people. You also suddenly cupple release scheduals to the slowest side of 2 developments along with other feature issues.
Now there is a point where our customer base can become large enough where porting to the Mac makes economic sense. We are not at that stage today.
HiTech
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Hi Hitech,
I always understood that writing crossplatform code makes the process of develloping for two (or more) platforms much cheaper compared to writing for one platform and porting that code to another platform.
Porting takes a lot of work and a lot of testing just because the code was optimized for another platform. I am sure there are tools around to help develop crossplatform applications.
How about the linux platform? It is getting stronger everyday. Within some years you might need to develop a linux version. It would be much eassier if you had a platform independant base to start with.
What platforms might come important in the next 5 (to 10) years?
I Guess the scope of your company goes beyond next year ;-)
Regards,
Speijk
Who does not intend to know what is a wise thing to do
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This just came up in my mind, it might be a consideration:
I read that the amount of Mac users of "the other sim" was 17 to 20%. This is a lot more then the 5 % marketshare.
My squadron has 10 members, 2 of them are using mac's. In the end we will go for the sim that supports both platforms. I don't know how many squadrons that are using both PC's and Mac's exist (or how many players are organised in a squadron). If they think like we do the penalty of not including the Mac simmers might be much more then 20%.
Regards
Speijk
Who still doesn't know what is a wise thing to do
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I agree with you that the platform percentages can change over the next years. The code base for AH has been written from the start to be cross platform. Rember at one time I had written a code base that supported Mac,dos,w95,Intel unix and sparc's all at the same time. I do understand cross platform programming and have structured everything so that we can rapidly change to other platforms. Right now I only touch the W95 API and directx at the minimum level. It not that i don't keep the mac in mind, it is just that at this time I can not justify supporting the mac.
BTW when factoring in percentages you also have to factor in what percentage of mac's that have a good 3d accel card in them. In fact ID be intrested in knowing what percentages of players dont have 3d card's in both the pc and mac.
HiTech
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Horn,
The messages on this thread got really wide because the UBB is attempting to put the url you entered above on one line, and it doesn't fit. I see you posted another link in a following message, so if the wide-ness bothers you, feel free to edit that message and remove the looooooooooong link.
Ronni
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HiTech Creations, Inc.
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It's a simple matter. They choose not to support MAC and I even won't think about to have a look in this product. I'll choose to fly with the MAC-friends I had made in Warbirds.
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Get the BBQ ready, from the comment here as well as all the one's in "Mac Users cc here".
I take back the comment of the mac users "badgering" HT and crew, change that to "blackmail".
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IMHO this is something peculiar to Apple Computer and it's customers. Steve Jobs has developed a brand loyalty so strong that in many cases it turns into blind, religious extremism. AH will take a
lot of crap for not going Mac by a very small but vocal group of users. HOWEVER, if they include a Mac version this group will give them a whole lot MORE grief over the long haul.
Completely and totally false.
Perhaps you remember about 4 months ago when Quake 3 arena was released on the Mac first? John Carmack's email was filled with thousands of complaints, bashes and even some death threats from PC users.
Similarly, let a PC columnist write a column that says, "The PC is not worth considering, everyone should buy a Mac." Then check his email box the next day.
Or, imagine if iEN said, "We'll be compatible with Vodoo3 and OpenGL on the Mac, but will never do anything but D3D on the PC." What do you think the response would be?
The behavior of making sure your platform of choice doesn't get slighted is not peculiar to the Mac. The Mac just gets slighted a *lot* more often than the PC.
Wade
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BTW when factoring in percentages you also have to factor in what percentage of mac's that have a good 3d accel card in them. In fact ID be intrested in knowing what percentages of players
dont have 3d card's in both the pc and mac.
HiTech,
I would imagine that our numbers on 3D cards would be lower than the PC world, but not dramatically so.
Remember that with the release of the Voodoo II and Voodoo III reference drivers, a Mac user can now buy *any* 3dFx board and plug it into their Mac. (Although Mac users should buy boards made by Mac companies to support them and to get tech support)
Additionally, we've got lots of boards that support OpenGL. And finally, we've got the Mesa 3D lib, which even allows us to run OpenGL games on 3dfx boards, even though it is somewhat of a hack.
Our biggest limitation so far has been not having 3D support on the proper games. For example, I have not bought a 3D board yet, even though there's lots of games that support it (Quake3D, TombRaider, Myth II, and many others). Why? Because there's not an online flight sim that supports it. My point is, come out with a 3D-only Mac flight sim, and you'll see all Mac flight sim pilots buying 3D cards immediately (or as soon as they're able).
(Disclaimer: I did just win one at the Con) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Wade
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Bang for the buck... PC's prices are lower for comparable power.
Morc
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Hey horn, there's over 5 million Linux users, should we start to gripe too? If so, let me know, I'll start straight away!
Morc
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If there was a linux port I'd be running it on Linux, guaranteed. I've found that every program I've ever benchmarked, optimized or not, runs 5-10% faster under linux. I keep win98 installed merely because it's the only platform my games run on. I can do everything else on Linux, and get it done faster too.
But I don't see it happening for years if ever... 3D support for Linux is only recently available and even then only for a few chipsets.
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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Horn I checked the new APPLE link you gave and it worked fine. The first thing I checked out was Apple's 5 year sales record.
1994 9,189
1995 11,062 (win 95 is released)
1996 9,833
1997 7,081
1998 5,941
I pieced together that Apple's 1999 revenues should be up a bit to just over 6 billion dollars. That's not the major turn around Apple needs to remain a strong player in the industry. If it wasn't for such strong sales of the iMac revenues would have continued their slide. The problem is that the hype from the iMac will inevitably die down and unless another popular product fills it's place the trend will begin again. I don't see Apple lasting that much longer unless Gates decides to keep them around to avoid Anti-Trust. Heck, with free PC's on the way many of the small players in the Wintel market are about to get whacked too. I believe this long term reality is one reason AH isn't going MAC. The short term benefits are negligable and long term it doesn't appear that many Apple customers will be left to play AH. I say this as a former Apple devotee. I hated DOS and couldn't imagine using a PC. Then Win 95 came out and it was all over. The damned things are so good, so cheap and so universally supported. I'm typing this to you on a P2 450 with 128 Megs of ram, 14 Gigs of HD space, a 17" monitor, Voodoo 3000 graphics card, etc. etc. All this for about $800. I'm happy I switched.
p.s.
Just the other day I saw something called an E-PC. At it's core it's a $400 PC dressed up like an iMac. The E-PC is probably a hunk of crap, but when people are buying computers based on their appearance are they going to know or even care?
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First, thanks to Pyro for letting this thread continue as long as it has. I realize you could shut it down at any point, but as long as it stays civil and people are learning, it isn't hurting anything.
I pieced together that Apple's 1999 revenues should be up a bit to just over 6 billion dollars. That's not the major turn around Apple needs to remain a strong player in the industry. If it wasn't for
such strong sales of the iMac revenues would have continued their slide.
Umm, Capn, do you realize the nonsensical nature of that argument? "If it wasn't for the turnaround, the slide would have continued."
I say this as a former Apple devotee. I hated DOS and couldn't imagine using a PC.
Which Macintosh model did you own?
The damned things are so
good, so cheap and so universally supported.
You got two out of three right. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Just the other day I saw something called an E-PC. At it's core it's a $400 PC dressed up like an iMac. The E-PC is probably a hunk of crap, but when people are buying computers based on their
appearance are they going to know or even care?
Well, first they have to win the lawsuit Apple filed against them for copying their design.
But you miss the point. People who buy the iMac don't buy it just because it looks cool. They buy it because:
A) They prefer the Mac
or
B) They're disillusioned with the PC and want to try the Mac and this one seems cool enough to be worth it.
I think very few people would say "I want that one - I don't care what OS it runs, it's so cool I just want it." Besides, ever talk to a typical computer sales person? They're absolutely clueless about the Mac and will immediately try to sell you a PC.
The problem is that the hype from the iMac will inevitably die down and unless another popular product fills it's place the
trend will begin again.
That would be true if:
A) Apple stops innovating
B) People bought Macs just because they wanted a computer. People don't. They buy Macs because it's a computer and because it's a Mac. There's no question you can get a slightly cheaper machine with more software if you buy a PC. So given that, how could the Mac possibly survive? Because some people look at more than price and number of games available.
In short Capn, unless something major occurs, no, the Mac will never dominate the marketplace. But, it is a strong alternative to the PC and can grow even stronger. And that's good for you PC users as well, whether you realize it or not.
Wade
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I didn't say if it wasn't for the turn around the slide would continue. I said if it wasn't for such strong iMac sales the slide would have continued. The iMac is to Apple what the Battle of the Bulge was to the German Army. It was a good effort, it made some temporary gains, it slowed down the enemy for a time but in the long term Germany was overwhelmed by massive forces outside of it's control. Before Win95, Apple had nearly 12 billion a year in revenue. In just 3 years it had dropped to less than 6 billion. With a superstar hit like the iMac Steve Jobs managed to bring profitability back to the company and raise sales to over 6 billion. IMHO this is only temporary.
Apple's problems will become evident again when iMac sales begin to drop off severely over the next 2 or 3 years.
Why?
1. iMac's are marketed as very inexpensive computers. $1,500 isn't going to look very cheap when it's compared to a free or nearly free PC.
2. iMac's look cool. One thing you can count on is that about a billion PC manufacturers are going to make their own "cool" looking pc's.
Win95 put Apple in full retreat and only the iMac could stop that. The E and Free PC is the weapon that Wintel is developing to finish the job. The only thing that can save them now is Bill Gates. He may want to keep Apple around to avoid anti-trust.
As far as which Apple's I've owned, let me see if I can even remember them all. Apple II+, IIE, IIC, IIGS, and then my dad stepped up to the Mac. For some reason the model escapes me but I'm thinking SE. I was young and I started getting pissed off because I couldn't find any games. My best friend bought a 386 running under DOS. I talked my dad into getting me a 386/25 and he did. It turns out that I freaking HATED the DOS operating system. I couldn't believe what an unbelievable piece of CRAP it was! Although I still used it I despised the whole setup. A few years later Win95 came out and I was back in point and click heaven.
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Apple is absolutely on the move right now. Look at the increase of their share value last 12 months, and the success they have with all new Mac models. I have used the Mac since 1984, when the first Mac became available. Most of the time I have had a PC available too. My preference is the Mac for most work and also for play. The only reason I have a PC too is that some games I like are not supported for Mac. However, the trend is clearly now that more and more games are supported for Mac. And that goes especially for the most advanced and graphic intensive games. The Mac is a far better graphical machine than any PC, thus supports graphic intensive games as standard whereas you will have to invest in expensive additional equipment to do the same on a PC.
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One Second please
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The Final Curtain Please !!!
It has fascinated me the actual depth of debate that has gone into my first post on this discussion. I want to thank you all who have contributed as I am sure AH want to as well. The passion put into the words compelled with ones own learned wisdom of the Computing world is encouraging for us all. Let us all scream our personal opinion - Let us all tell the other they practice the wrong religion (religion used as analogy only) ..
Debate is Healthy.. If You Love The PC System You Keep Loving It.. your bizz..!!
For Those Of Us Who Love The Mac Os System Please dont try and patronise us against economics of scale.. Yes Money is a Cruel Ruling Factor of Society..
We`ve Noticed......................
Mac is not trying to dominate the world.. and sheezzz please not try and debate that-I give only my humble opinion.. You Drive the car that turns you on and let us drive the car that turns us on.. I only ask respect is given for the product at hand and its expansion within the Computer market as this is written..
many more will come to learn about the Mac Os product and beyond and will join us and it is hoped within the gaming market a place can be found and shared with us.. Thats it...... Please can we close this now..
This debate is a real rager..
CAN WE CONSIDER THIS CLOSED.. - Good Luck To AH Whatever Prevails-
Fritz-