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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Citabria on April 23, 2001, 10:29:00 PM
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800-900rds quad 20mm
n1k2 turns with anything and hangs on prop like a helicopter.
f4u1c turns with anything it cant outrun and rolls like a 190.
n1k2 is forgiving and allows the player to make mistakes and win.
f4u1c firepower allows the player to overcome ACM mistakes they may have made and win.
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Pretty much...
-SW
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No toejam...
Doesnt this belong in the Obvious Information Forum?
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Yeah... those things are undoubtedly true. So?
The chog is here because Hi Tech likes it; he probably feels strongly that wars are won by huge, heavy, high powered, fast, American fighters with really big guns. It's his flight sim. People who don't like hordes of chogs (and I am squarely in that camp) should give up complaining- it's obviously not going to do a bit of good. If we want a sim without unbalancing chogs- we should just go code our own... since that isn't happening anytime soon... we have to live in a chog world.
715
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Hey I have got a great idea. Why don't we force all the new guys in the game to fly c202s. Then they can pay thirty bucks a month to constantly get shot down by the better guys like citabria. As a matter of fact, why dont we virtually guarantee they will have no fun at all. THen HTC will go out of business and you guys can create your own sim that 15 poeple on earth think is the greatest cuz it has no chog. Get a life.
I am COMPLETELY tired of all these elite pilots complaining about the C-hog. Here is what you are basically saying "Unless you have no life like me and can play aces 150 hours in the month, you need to have no fun and fly crappy planes so i can shoot you down. Don't even think about flying the good planes until you can fly the crappy ones, because you dont deserve to fly the good one!"
If you really want to improve the quality of flyers in aces, dont just constantly whine and bicker. Take it upon yourself to help them. Offer to show these newbies some ACM. Maybe becoma a trainer. Calling them dweebs will never convince them to try something else. If you can train them and get them into some other planes, maybe they will find things they like about those planes.
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ANd because of the ceaseless whining, the JAAF gets the Ki-61(= C.202 with cannon) instead of Ki-84(= N1K2-J +20mph)... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Ummm Cit, you forgot one. Big Blue is much prettier than a P38. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
AKcurly
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chog+niki= cheap no skill needed kills
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Don't forget to spit on the people that fly them, while you're passing through.
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I guess cause they want to. I sometimes get a little peeved at the tactics of many of the chog drivers, but then I think back to when I first started flying sims (AH beta) and remember how difficult it was to get a clean kill, so ho was the norm (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). You old beta guys remember the squeaking that went on about the
P-51D?.As far as the niki goes, I dont find it that much of a problem when Im flying my nancyboy plane <G>
Shamus
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Nice kill stats against the 3 most popular planes Cit.
SpitIX: 75 kills of, 6 killed by.
N1K2: 64 kills of, 14 killed by.
F4U-1C: 83 kills of, 16 killed by.
"It's the man not the machine"
100 perk points to the first person who guesses who said the above quote.
-SW
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The 3 most popular aircraft are probably the 3 easiest aircraft to get kills in. I guess players like getting kills.
Hooligan
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This is nothing new. I wouldn't worry about it.
There will ALWAYS be a few "best" planes in the game.
In WarBirds it was the Spitfire and the FW190-D9.
Myself, I find it fun to fly something other than the top of the line fighter. I will always go for the second best gear and see how well I can stand up to the best.
So far I've been winning. It teaches you all the right things you need to know.
Same thing, different game.
Hans.
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Originally posted by AKSeaWulfe:
"It's the man not the machine"
100 perk points to the first person who guesses who said the above quote.
Chuck Yeager.. ka-ching.. 100 perkies !!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
My very first Pc sim was chuck yeager's air combat...really cool sim with Chuck's voice-overs...(unmistakable Virginian accent : "remember! It's the man not the machine" )
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Originally posted by AKcurly:
Ummm Cit, you forgot one. Big Blue is much prettier than a P38. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
AKcurly
Slap Slap Slap. Only thing purdier than a P38 would be a spitfire.
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You guys wouldn't likely share my belief that the Jug is the prettiest plane in AH now would you?
I didn't think so. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Hell, we need the CHog and the N1K2 for the new players. What else can they do? They have to get a chance to get some kills. Give them time, and they will get into the groove and fly better planes. I started out in the Chog myself, but wouldn't be caught dead in one now. Moved on, to the P-51D (wow, flaming I will get for this single line).
The three planes I recommend to new players are: CHog, N1K2, Spitfire MkIX. Reasons include good firepower, ammo loads, turning ability and/or durability and speed.
"Fatten them up, then invite them to be dinner"
Darling
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Bah, spooky, I remember the days when you got a casette tape with the games as voice overs. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
One of my first sims was chuck yeagers advanced flight trainer on the C64. And it came with a casette with instructions on how to fly an airplane (by Chuck Yeager, appropriately).
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Well, thank you Captain Obvious (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
CRASH
Originally posted by Citabria:
800-900rds quad 20mm
n1k2 turns with anything and hangs on prop like a helicopter.
f4u1c turns with anything it cant outrun and rolls like a 190.
n1k2 is forgiving and allows the player to make mistakes and win.
f4u1c firepower allows the player to overcome ACM mistakes they may have made and win.
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Originally posted by Spooky67:
Chuck Yeager.. ka-ching.. 100 perkies !!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
My very first Pc sim was chuck yeager's air combat...really cool sim with Chuck's voice-overs...(unmistakable Virginian accent : "remember! It's the man not the machine" )
Heh.. now we have to convince HTC to give you 100 of my perk points (you can only take fighter.. I don't have 100 perk points in any other category...)
:-)
-SW
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i love it when an f4u comes up to h/o me - bravely lining up on my wittle defenseless 190 and then.......WHAM....2 x 20mms, 2 x 30mms, and 2 peashooters fix his prettythang (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I thought this appropriate for the thread, its titled "Can't touch this" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(http://Ripsnort60.tripod.com/F4Upic2.jpg)
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Originally posted by Hooligan:
The 3 most popular aircraft are probably the 3 easiest aircraft to get kills in. I guess players like getting kills.
Hooligan
TY Hooli for that wisdom. It is so simple, and understandable. And why its even an issue with cit, karnak, etc.. I have no idea.
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Somebody needs to re-do this thread with a Andy Rooney voice-over...
Frankly; I don't give a damn WHAT the other guy flies, what he wears, what he drinks, who (or what) he screws, where he went to school, who he knows or which moron he voted for in the last election.
Yah pays yer money, yah takes yer chance. If it's red, it needs ta be dead. The rest is just noise.
Hang
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For the record:
The P-47D-30 IS the finest looking AC in AH.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Hell, cit summarizes all my whines in 5 lines. dammit. The fun is gone (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Get that blue obscenity off my skies! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(http://tac60.tripod.com/38moon.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Tac (edited 04-24-2001).]
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>Hell, cit summarizes all my whines in 5
>lines. dammit.
Don't feel bad. He's had ALOT more practice than you. He's gotten efficient. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Wab
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f4Uc and niki flyers get no respect because they are easier to kill with.
all i want to see is less of them.A greater variety of targets.
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I've taken to flying the P38 lately. The reason. Its an easymode plane. Elevator is the only trim needed. Don't have to touch the 'rons, or rudder trim. Forward view is generous to a fault.
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yup easymo thats why everyone whines about how many p-38's there are in the skies and how its so easy to kill with. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Hmm..Well Chog can rarely outrun (depends on the fuel loadout) Yak9u, it cant turn with it, it cant dive from it (gains usually about 0.1k:s = nothing), it bleeds E quite fast if you have him pulling lots of G:s (which they always do in their great wisdom), it cant outaccelerate, nor outclimb it.
So, if you want to kill hogs, grab a Yak9U.
Damn i miss my MA days, i did only fly few weeks in there after i figured the power of russian planes..
*sigh*
Add: Oh yeah i forgot..it has GREAT clear 360 view, so you can evade EASILY the first jump/snapshot that they always do and keep them in sights. The rear view is fantastic and only blocking obstacle is the vertical stabilizer.
[This message has been edited by Tuomio (edited 04-24-2001).]
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"...it doesn't require any skill to get kills in a N1K...".
Hogwash. A lousy pilot is a lousy pilot in any plane. He doesn't magically become a killer as soon as he straps himself into a N1K. I bet most players after a complete tour would have pretty well the same K/D ratio no matter what they flew.
As to why I fly it. I like to turn fight and the N1K is a good turner. There are better turners though, so the N1K can be beat at that game. Ask any good Zeke or Spit pilot. They eat N1Ks for breakfast. I think most of the complaints come from the Boom and Zoomers and I just don't get it. You fly a plane that can disengage from a N1K at will. You control the fight. If I get into a fight while flying a N1K, I have to stand and fight. With most other planes you can run..err extend at any time. If you control the fight and lose, whose fault is that? If you're faster and get into a turn fight with the N1K, you should lose. It's certainly not the unbeatable plane people make it out to be...if you use your plane's strengths and not fight on the N1K's terms.
Also, why are the planes that require "skill" the boom and zoom types? I think it requires a lot more skill to turn fight, then to sneak up on somebody. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
bowser
[This message has been edited by bowser (edited 04-24-2001).]
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Yup, when I fly Zeros I loooove N1Ks!! <smack, smack> Mmm mm, they sure is tasty.
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Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
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-Karnak
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Nothing I like to see more than an N1K who wants to turn with my Spit. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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"You fly a plane that can disengage from a N1K at will. You control the fight"
Umm.. no. This may be true on the very first pass only. Any subsequent pass is almost suicide against a plane that can do a 12g 180 turn and then climb after the zooming plane.. and catch it.
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Heck, I love to see a n1k turn with my f6f.
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Originally posted by Tac:
Any subsequent pass is almost suicide against a plane that can do a 12g 180 turn and then climb after the zooming plane.. and catch it.
You must be flying against different N1Ks than I have. I've never seen them do this, at least where I wasn't in some position to either dive away or climb away. If somebody is pulling a "12g 180 turn," they aren't going to be zooming very long against anything unless they were supersonic at the start.
The N1K has some phenomenal flight characteristics, but it's definitely mortal.
-- Todd/DMF
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"...Umm.. no. This may be true on the very first pass only. Any subsequent pass is almost suicide against a plane that can do a 12g 180 turn and then climb after the zooming plane.. and catch it...."
...Umm...got that on film yet Tac? Didn't think so.
bowser
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will get one for you, it happens to me all the time.
a 420 mph 38 climbing 90 degrees up after diving on a n1k, watch my 6, the n1k is ending his tight turn (which he evaded my dive), then all the sudden his icon range starts to decrease dramatically fast.
Last time I heard the p38 could outzoom the n1k with ease, yet that obscene meatball can turn and climb up to the same alt the 38 climbed. So what's the deal? No loss of E at all in such an extreme turn? did it GAIN E? Does it turn below horizon gaining nearly 200mph during that turn without losing 500ft of alt and then zoom up trading less E per ft climbed than a P38? What then?
The few times I've taken a N1k out Ive been able to climb with 109g10s and nail them at d200 while they are exiting their zoom climb (which they dived on me). Ive only been outrun ONCE, and it was a tiffie. That thing retains an extremely unreal amount of E in the roughest manouvers.
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well, i think its because they are like drugs, cheap, eazy to use and get, and they get ya hi.
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Tac:
Film it.
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Why not.