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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BGBMAW on August 26, 2002, 02:41:39 PM
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I want to HEAR ..only threads about boming above 14k..
What were you trying to hit?
WHat boms were u usen??
What alt were u 14k+?
What direction u bomed??
And ..Did u hit?? and What accuarcy?
Love BiGB
xpxoxo
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I can hit a target about once in 10 trips from above 25 k. I consider if I hit the airbase and runways I did okay on the drop. How to setup the bombsight at night. Should be able to dial in the speed instead of using the joystick to do the
calculation.
DarkHawk :D
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I come close, but wind drift gets me. Havent figured out how to compensate for wind yet :(
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I can hit pretty consistently above 14,000'; generally, if I'm flying a B-25 or smaller, I'll stay under the wind layer, and if I'm in a B-17 or lanc, I'll take it up to 20k-25k before I drop.
I come close, but wind drift gets me. Havent figured out how to compensate for wind yet
Take a look at this thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62362#post575968) for a posting explaining how to figure for wind drift.
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Originally posted by LePaul
I come close, but wind drift gets me. Havent figured out how to compensate for wind yet :(
Get a wizwheel.
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Get a wizwheel.
With the two tables in the posting I reference in my previous post, you can get a close enough approximation of the solution that you don't have to shell out and buy an E-6B, Thrawn.
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Originally posted by Shiva
I can hit pretty consistently above 14,000'; generally, if I'm flying a B-25 or smaller
We have B-25's????
I use Boston formations at about 20k, and can hit pretty much what I'm aiming for 2 of every 3 sorties. The ones I miss, I can usually account for with too much speed variance caused by trying to maneuver while in the bomb site.
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I don't have any problems with the bombsight and my squad usually fly at around 20k if not slightly more (around 23k in our Lancs and around 25k in a B17) Get a group together and 'drop on lead' method works well.
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Wind drift---it affects the plane heap more than bombs---if ya zoom way in with crosshairs ya can actually see the plane (always a 17 in my case) drifting at odd angle---wind of late is ALWAYS due east, 30 knots above 14k..i always bomb E-W...then effect is negligable (of course i still miss, but not because im tryin last minute course adjustment)
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Well i could care less about Plane drift..and e6-b's...
My question is about BOM drift over 14k....not plane drift
EAST west...
North South...
So it still suks bad to bom from higher then 13k......
BiGB
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I have found that when you are above the wind layer, make sure when you calibrate that you keep the crosshairs on the same spot BOTH horizontally and vertically. Do not let the spot drift to the left or right of the crosshairs. If you do this right, the bombsight will take into account bomb drift due to wind.
Doing this (and calibrating for at least 10 seconds) I usually bomb sucessfully from 20K.
HT said in the QA forum:
"The actual bombsight calibration does take wind into account."
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wow..mickey...
I dont think it works very wel from abovve 14k..but i have only droped a few times form that hieght....
Thanks for input...
Lord Knows a Lancaster under 25k is ded meat..loloo
BiGB
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That my point BG...there is drift og mebbe 1/4 of a large field at 25k...the REAL problem is the damn plane getting pushed sideways whilst ya on autopilot thinkin ya goin straight
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ahhh bj229.......
But does the plane drift matter when u are still centering ur cross hairs on Hangars abou to drop..???
Im saying ..do you guys still try to put cross hairs directly on trget when u clik the boms away???
Or do you try to compensate for wind drift by aiming left or right of target....I guess you would only do this boming from North South..since wind goes east -west
BiGB
xoxoxo
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[/quote]That my point BG...there is drift og mebbe 1/4 of a large field at 25k...the REAL problem is the damn plane getting pushed sideways whilst ya on autopilot thinkin ya goin straight[/quote]
bj229r, you continue to be clueless. Yes, in a crosswind, your ground track and the course your plane's compass indicates are going to be different. What you can't seem to understand is that what you do is to turn your plane into the wind so that part of your plane's velocity cancels the crosswind out. So if you're at 20,000 feet making 220 TAS, and your target is due south of you, you fly an indicated course of 188°; with the crosswind, your ground track is on a heading of 180°, straight for your target.
But does the plane drift matter when u are still centering ur cross hairs on Hangars abou to drop..???
Yes and no, BGB. If you have an unadjusted crosswind, you'll see a sideways drift of your spot point while you're calibrating, and you have to halt the sideways drift as well as the fore-and-aft motion of the crosshairs while you calibrate.
[/quote]Im saying ..do you guys still try to put cross hairs directly on trget when u clik the boms away??? [/quote]
When you calibrate your bombsight, HiTech has set it up so that an accurate calibration automatically sets both the trail and drift correctly.
(http://www.stelzriede.com/ms/photos/bombing.jpg)
So, in answer to your question, yes; if you've calibrated your sight accurately, the bomb drift is accounted for, so where the crosshairs sit is where the bomb pattern will center.
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Last night I saw two formations of Bish B17's level one of our towns in one pass from about 25k Alt I sent a message of congrats out on open ch because...
1. It was a great sight to see Buffs higher then 10k and I think the first time I've seen this since 1.10 rather then the usual ground level suicide runs and CV dive bombing Lanc's.
2. Their aim was spot on, I'd just like to know who it was.
...-Gixer
The Horse Soldiers
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Nice tables you posted Shiva, thanks.
Guys, there are TWO different problems with wind.
Bomb wind drift is taken care of by the bombsight calibration, no problem
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Cross wind must be taken care of by lining up your TRUE FLIGHT PATH with the target manually. Take a B-26 up just above the wind layer and point it due North, then look down from outside view, you may be in for a supprise bj229r. You can't just point your nose at the target unless you're pointed directly into or away from the wind. It does no good to calibrate your bombsight if you're blown too far down wind to hit anything. See Shiva's excellent explanation but also note our compass seems to be in 6 degree ticks.
BGBMAW, I'll always be disappointed that my initial impact point is only on the cross hairs 1 in 5 times with complete misses about 1 in 5 times.:mad:
That said, pick a couple of altitudes you prefer to drop from. Do all your drops from exactly these altitudes from now on. Experiment until you find the maximum performance speed at that altitude for you buff of choice. Then drop from one of those exact altitudes and speeds to eliminate the biggest problem with bombing, the speed changes during the run-in. At 10K, 10 mph speed change = almost 400 ft. missed target, 5 mph, 200 ft etc.
Try dropping just before the hangers front edge with salvo 12, delay .35 and 500 lb bombs until you get better. One FH is better than a wasted trip and two hangers is the best you can expect after lots of practice.
Hope you rain on someones parade:D
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I THOUGHT thats what I said BG...jeez...fly due east or due west..as the wind in AH is ALWAYS east at 30 knots..the sideways drift isnt an issue..and ya have heap less stuff to deal with as ya prepare to drop...dont have to use an fluff'n slide rule to bomb. Ya take this too damn seriously
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Dang---sorry BG..meant to address Shiva's post
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lol bj..i was wondern what u were saying to me..I laffed alos when you guys were pulling out the e-6b's,..
im in fligth training rigth now...im about to do my first solo-cross country..and i was strugglen a little bit with my e-6b...not doin crossiwnd stuff..thats easy..it was the --time and fuel usage crap..
lol
good hunten guys:)
Love BiGB
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I can hit reliably from any alt above 14k now - my usual alt is 21-25k.
The trick is to make sure you are on the run in to target on the track you will bomb on (give or take 5 degrees) with speed constant and then hold down the 'y' key to calibrate for AT LEAST 15 SECS - I COUNT TO 30.
I have only missed if I turn well off track - i.e. I've not set up the bomb run properly - or if I finish a correctional turn too late for the speed to resettle.
*Note* any change to heading or speed on the bomb run before release but after calibration will render the calibration FUBARed. I usually leave about 2/3 sector for setup. I will have a point on the map which I set as my IP (initial point) - after that is bomb run.
Sparks