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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hblair on April 24, 2001, 01:49:00 AM
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How many of you log into the game each evening thinking somebody owes you something? You get shot down, don't understand why, and *demand* an explanation?
There are too many characters like that around here now, in my opinion. The good guys seem to let themselves get drowned out these days in the main arena. We shouldn't let bad-mannered A-holes own the text buffer in the arena. I remember a day when people were embarrassed to act like a tard in the arena, because if they did, they were going to catch hell from the rest of us. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Some of them didn't care, and just acted like idiots anyway. But it seemed to keep the peace most of the time.
I read a thread today over on AGW about the attitudes of WB's players vs. the attitudes of AH players. The WB's guys were downing the AH guys for being immature spazzes. I thought to myself the usual, "They're full of sh*t!", til I read a response by drex that said pretty much, "yeah, the AH community has a long way to go, but give it time". After thinking a minute, I have to agree with this, even though I haven't flown WB's in over a year, I don't remember the amount of immaturity that I sometimes see in the buffer over here (keyword being sometimes).
There's not a whole lot HT, pyro, & company can do to curb this, I don't think. I think it's pretty much up to me and you. There's some great guys over here. More great guys than boneheads, but if the good guys just squelch channel 1, it's gonna be left to the boneheads. I say we try to curb it ourselves. If a guy gets on channel 1 spewing BS after getting killed, and 5 or so of us old vets politely explained to him that it's his own fault, and to act like a big boy, he'd probably can it (maybe not). Am I making sense here?
Ok, back to the original subject, "How many of you log into the game each evening thinking somebody owes you something?"
How many of you guys who spend so much time downing everything have actually done anything for this game? For example:
1. AKdejavu's K/D stats after each TOD.
2. Ripsnorts squad pages, and training stuff. Ripsnorts TOD as a trainer was up almost a year ago, but he's still at it. Why? Guess he enjoys helping people.
3. Guys who are slaving away making maps. I know that my squaddie jihad has untold hours in the scenario map he's working on, wanting to get it just right.
4. All the CM staff. I became one a month or two ago, and let me tell you. These guys don't get a free ride. The work that these fellas have done on Hostile Shores is really impressive.
5. Lephturn. This guy oughta be on the htc payroll. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
6. Exile. Check out his new simladder.com site. Great work there.
And there's many more that I can't think of right now.
Geez, it's late, I guess the point of all this rambling is- This community is only going to get as bad as you and I let it. If you don't want to hear the undesirables blabber, don't be too embarrassed/ashamed to correct them.
[This message has been edited by hblair (edited 04-24-2001).]
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I completely agree with hblair. I used to look forward each day to reading the bbs during my free period at work, hearing stories of noble deeds and wonderful combats that took place during the night before. The FRIENDLY banter between the members of the three countries. The discussions concerning the various plusses and minuses of each plane in the set.
Lately, however, instead of finding great stories and the like, I have only found constant whining, name-calling, and out-right despicable behavior. It has gotten to the point where almost every post is a whine about this plane or that tactic/strategy/whatever. In the year or so that I have been visiting the boards, I had probably seen 2 or 3 threads locked. In the last two weeks, there have been at least that many, and almost certainly more.
What really makes this sad is that this is not isolated to the bbs. When I log in after a long day at work to relieve stress by shooting my "despised enemies" down and being killed by them, all I see is people whining. This is NOT limited to Channel 1, but also on the country channel.
Lately, I have found myself doing other things than playing AH. Why? Not because of the C Hogs or Nikis. I have grown tired of the crap that goes on here and in the MA. People whine about this guy killing chutes, or that guy racking up 20 kills in a Niki.
It has gotten to the point where I have actually started to question whether the game is worth the $30 that I spend on it. I love playing this game. It has everything that I like (namely bullets, bombs, and WW2 airplanes) coupled with a chance to interact with people who share similar interests. However, these things are seeming less important to me as they "seem" to become less important to the community at large.
To me, at least, the only good thing that all this negativity has spawned is that now I recognize when someone does something good (i.e. helping a newbie out or discussing what their opponent's mistakes were and how to correct them). To all those out there who have helped the newbies out, I give you a big <S>.
To those that scorn newbies and treat them like dirt, do yourself and the newbie a favor. Think back to when you first started playing this game. Odds are that you didn't just jump in and get to the level you are at now. I would be willing to bet that there was someone there who helped you out, be it a squaddie from another game or someone you had just met when you logged on the first time. You may be surprised, if you can get past the ego, that you were just like the people asking "ANYONE NEED A GUNNER!?!?!?" and "HOW DO I TAKEOFF." I know I was.
AH is a great game. It has its problems, it has its strengths. I think most of us can agree that its strengths outweigh the weaknesses, otherwise we wouldn't be here. We all want it to get even better. Do the game and the community a favor, think before you "speak" on channel 1. Think about whether or not the vitriol you are planning on posting is worth it.
Anyways, I have rambled enough and it probably makes no sense, but its late and I gotta go to work in the morning.
-math
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Interesting, am I the only one around who think that attitude on ch1 is a) much better, than it was 6 months ago b) friendly and forgiving.
Yes, I see sometimes offences and was offended myself several times, but it is normally free-2-weeks-players. In the contrast, I had TONS of good chats, <S> and so on from people I do respect in AH.
Though I do not love banning and shutting up people, seems, that HTC policy works here, and tendency is clearly good.
Fariz
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Well I dont ever remember loggin on thinking anyone owes me anything, or for that matter having that attitude in the real world, however I do admit to running my mouth sometimes due to getting shot down but then remembering what an old friend told me ( Hajo ) that it was most likely my own fault for getting myself into a bad position I then regroup and try again, competition can get anyone of us bent outta shape but we shouldnt rationalize that as an excuse to become a total AzWhole, but it seems you can almost tell age groups in here by how they respond and the way they go off on people.
Will this be solved by the silent majority calling the offender down? I'm not sure, seems there are so many offenders the buffer would be over run with this and radio ch 1 turns into a flame war.
How do you teach the difference of freedom as opposed to license thru a monitor? Some think they can say what ever they want ( license ) others are able to function within the rules ( freedom ), seems real difficult to moderate attitudes in an environment like this and there will be those that take advantage of this while in a real world condition they may not behave this way at all.
Maybe HTC can give the majority a way to block the offending individual rather than the majority squelching ch 1! The majority rules if some percentage exercise an input on a certain call sign then that call sign looses radio privalige (sp?) for some amount of time.
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I agree 100% hblair. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
A good example was, you were present sunday night, yeah, that guy I shot down.
It was the LONGEST whine in the history of Aces High. Even long after you were gone, this guy was still giving excuses on why I shot him down, and calling me "gay", etc. After everyone was flaming him on the buffer, he took the 'jedi' attitude, saying names of the guys he shot down recently (list wich included Cit, NathBDP, and many others) and how I should improve my ACM, and how it was because of the warps that I won the fight.
Mind you, this was more than an hour after the fight took place.
Why do we need explanations when we lose? and worse yet, why do so many people here always need an excuse for losing a fight? where is the sportsmanship.
The squad I fly, a bunch of bushwackers and backstabbers, I see more sportsmanship in these jerks than I see in many people in the MA. This is sad, people. I dont know what is the problem with this community.
I believe its the fact that it is a new sim, and many of the players are new online sim players. Most people in WB have been playing it for many years, they know each other and the comunity has had time to mature. Lets just hope we can mature too, soon.
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Nethawk: Does your squad openly shoot down chutes?
Fatty: At times, but only if they want to.
Nethawk: Theyre scum
Fatty: cc they are scum
Fatty: as am I
Fat DRUNK Bastards
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Hblair, I know what you mean bud. I really do. I remember the old BETA days of guys getting jumped for acting like they owned the place. The few times I was in the arenas during the past months some guys were still good. StSanta, Rip, MaxQ, Raub, and a couple others. StEx I remember as a trator, I remember parking a tank next to ol CaveJ and the two of us shelling a base. I can almost see his face when I pulled up in an M16 to give him cover once. Heheh that was classic.
I think I'll blow my own horn here, if you guys don't mind. I remember starting my web site after playing Warbirds for only a few months. It wasn't exactly a huge hit, but there was some traffic. Like one hit a month, usually from me checking for broken links. Once I got some experience with code I cranked out the site it is today. Still helping new guys, and still posting interesting info for anyone to use. Now I'm revamping it yet again, mostly for looks. I have to admit my sound pack was a much bigger success than I ever thought it would be. 800 downloads in the first week and a half alone. Now it's sitting at 956. As long as I can I'll keep my site humming, and I'll add new things when the mood strikes or when I see I'm lacking something.
Kinda funny that between me, Rip, Lephturn, and Jekyll rests most of the Aces High help section. Those three are in the game, I'm running a site and raiding H2H during Blue Moons. Probably explains why I get left out of lists like yours Hblair! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Seriously now, I have to admit I'm getting sick of seeing the same crap day in and day out. Kiddies screaming about this or that, H2H girls acting like 15 year-olds with a sugar rush. It gets tiring that for sure, but I'm not about to stop just because a few people have a too much Ego being driven by too little IQ.
I enjoy AH, I get sweaty palms every time I engage someone with skill, and my heart pounds in every fight. I had hoped to never use the phrase "same sh^t different day" here, but now is one of those times. So until things are cleared up I'll continue to lurk in H2H on Blue Moons. And I'll keep helping anyone that wants it, provided they're civil and polite. As long as a few good guys stick around and continue to help Tin Horns, enjoy the game, and keep their tempers "Offline" I'll be among them.
I don't want anything from anyone, except a good fight and a smart salute at the end. If I'm helping someone, all I want is their attention. No one owes me anything, except for the odd beer here or there for helping out. You may repay someone with cash, but I do it with a good story over a cold one. Hblair it's nice to see there's still a few guys around that haven't been lost in the maze. Good luck to you bud.
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Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta Six's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
Put the P-61B in Aces High
"With all due respect Chaplian, I don't think God wants to hear from me right now.
I'm gonna go out there and remove one of His creations from this universe.
And when I get back I'm gonna drink a bottle of Scotch like it was Chiggy von
Richthofen's blood and celebrate his death."
Col. McQueen, Space: Above and Beyond
(http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6/htbin/delta6.jpg)
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HBblair, you know damned well that without me, LW wouldn't have pink leather g-strings and other (what the allies call "kinky") gear.
I've done my share. Now, PAY ME BACK (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
just come sit in my lap.
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://stsantas.tripod.com/stsanta.jpg)
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Nobody's a bonehead on purpose.
These on-line game's have a age variation
from like embryo to nicely ripe people and
just how much mature people react entirely
depends on how they are taught with in the
community.
I'm a newbie at MA, and I've seen those
flaming insults go by..and though I don't
doubt seeing these stuff for ages would
tire old-timers, to me it's not something
I can't understand (or maybe even forgive).
If somebody doesn't understand something,
and feels they've been shot down due to
some ill conspiracy, it won't be too bad
for oldbies to take time and explain things
nicely.
Everybody was a newbie sometime in their
AH career, and I'll bet a lot of people
do have some memories of how they 'touched'
the pandora's box accidentally, not knowing
some of those subjects were a taboo or a
no-no in this community...
Not because they are bone-heads, but because
they simply didn't know, and no one simply
took enough time to teach and explain before
waving their formiddable counter-insults and
verbal flaming at 'em.
I admit a lot of newbies are confident about
their skills, to the point of ill-mannered
arrogance. And being killed simply hurts
their pride. But those childish and immature
feelings generally subside after experience
and time. And as they learn to flap their
fluffy wings, and begin to understand what
air-combat is, they learn about 'respect'.
And I believe even the most bone-headed of
newbies would eventually learn humbleness..
But of course, they could learn it the easy
and quick way, with help of ever-forgiving
oldbies ^_^; ..
Or they could learn it the long and hard way
. Get a few slaps and smacks across the cowl
at channel 1, get barbequed by impressive
flames and decide to just shut-up and learn.
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Or they may not learn at all.
And just leave with the 'hostile' impression
of the 'nasty AH community'.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending
bone-headedness, I'm just suggesting that
the oldbies equally need to relax and take
forgiving stances, take time to explain and
give out cautions, just as much as newbies
need to learn humbleness.
So, I suggest
when a typical newbie starts to whine
about why he lost... just give out a smile
and chill him out patiently. After all,
they're only newbies. What'dya expect of
them? Aristocratic "Luftwaffe Pilot"
behaviors? (* winks *)
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You know I agree with you 100%.
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With all due respect Hblair, what I contribute is pale compared to others in this community, but I digress and thank you.
You, sir, are a pinnicle of this community. Its folks like you that keep the faith, keep alot of us 'coming back', even with global attitude changes within the community.
This sim is growing every day. There is no set rules followed, no boundaries short of being banned for extremely profane/racist remarks, and we're a mixed lot of different life styles, nationalities, political and religious beliefs, and pilot egos. When that 'pot' get fuller, some spill out.
While I agree with your post, I also like to influence others by leading by example. As a father yourself, you can relate. Its frustrating when you see 100 more people online and the quality of conversations decline, and whines increase. However, with you leading by example, you might affect 3 of those 100. Well, 3 can then lead another 6 by example, those 6 another 12, etc. etc.
I guess my summary would be this: Be who you want to be, let others be who they want to be...live and let live. When I see those who act immature, I consider them handi-capped, something that didn't happen in their life while in their younger years as part of a nurturing process. There is nothing you or I or Leph, or Flak or anyone of the guys that contribute to this community can do to change an individuals behavior, that was a nurturing process that took place years before they logged on.
So we do what we do best, and try to set an example by leadership. If you help out one individual in the game, you've already jumped out ahead of everyone else in MY respect book.
Too corny? maybe.
<S>
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 04-24-2001).]
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Old Chinese proverb says: Fight with bullets, not words
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Wait a minute, people can post stories here? I've never seen one :-(
In the few months I've been playing AH (5 or 6 now I think), I've seen more flames on this BBS than on most other BBS's I read. Even the Quake BBS's, though often lively, were never this bad.
Personally I don't squelch ch1 often, but I do keep a list of people I squelch during the time it takes to download the arena status, player lists etc. It's about 10 people that have either tried to argue with me, or whined on and on. It's just part of what I do when I get online. "Normal Icon Mode, check", "Video Info Off, check", "Tracers Off, check", "RW set to base station, check", "squelch list completed, check". This is a sad thing to have to do, but something I do to increase my enjoyment.
On the side of whining, I don't deny doing my part of it. This usually happens in the 2 seconds after being blasted. I'm a 60 words per minute typist, so I often type before I think :-). I tend to apologize afterwards though, and "boy is my face red". But then again, I often ask the guy whodunit, how he did it, not out of spite, but because I really want to know. I want to learn the tricks, to be able to avoid them and to be able to pull them myself :-) This is often interpreted as whining unfortunately. If people don't want to answer, that's their prerogative. It was their trick, after all. I thoroughly enjoy banter after a tough fight though. It's a good way to release tension, and you often learn something. People jsut have to try to keep the irritation level down.
"Tolerance, peace, prosperity, in that order"
Darling
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Thanks for the replies guys.
Mathman, don't be quitting anytime soon. You're too much fun to have around. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Animal, I tried to make jokes, thinking maybe that guy would chill. He just couldn't get over it could he? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Flakbait, those were guys I could think of at 2am off the top of my sleepy head. You're contributions are just as important as anybodys.
Kwessa, nice reply.
Thanks kieren.
Rip, thanks. Yep, Leading by example is the way to go, and I could do better at that myself.
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hblair when AH first started pay to play I would help out all the newbies I could because I wanted them to have fun but after a year of helping others I finally realized that I was WAAAAAY better than anyone else so why should I help THEM?
I mean sure I could do maps better than anyone here but why should I? You people would whine about how all the detail was confusing.
I could do Stats for people and have the most detailed reports ever but you guys suck so why should I have to prove it to you paper?
I could be the best CM ever but you guys would whine because I made it to hard fo you.(since you guys suck)
Hell I could even write a better game than this but I don't want to put HTC/WB/AW out of business. (They all seem like nice guys but they suck at flying)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
OK OK kidding aside I still help people when I can because it HELPS everyone when new people learn to fly.
I still call 6 when possible and don't complain to much when I get killed because the 6 guys on my tail chasing the con that got me didn't say anything.
I still try to control my urge to cuss and whine when I get killed. I even try to "calm" other people who are on the verge of going over the edge.
The point to this long ramble is this:
This is a very good Flight Sim/Game and the community is very strong and it is up to US not HTC to keep it going strong. They can make improvments in the game to make the customers happy but WE have to do what we can to make the community happy.
There are several people who fly that do far more that teach others they spend hours and hours of their time doing work for us so we can enjoy our time in AH more.
<S> to them and their work.
By the way I have heard people say what I was joking about above and really mean it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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<S> Hblair!! I agree....even if you are an ASSassin. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Anyone willing to start a Big Brother Program? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Drex
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You get what you put in...
Then where's my $30!
I expect it back in the form of a huge juicy steak at Big Buck, Natedog.
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Originally posted by Fatty:
You get what you put in...
Then where's my $30!
I expect it back in the form of a huge juicy steak at Big Buck, Natedog.
Hell, I'd just take the situation I was in the first night prior to the Con, on Wednesday when about 15 of us went out to Pro Bass shop bar, I strategically placed myself between the only area the waitress had entrance to my end of the table, everytime she stretched over me to serve a cold beer to the FBD's behind me, I managed to elevate the table that much higher each time. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I agree with you all ,just recently i have felt the same as you all do abought all the complaining on 1 to me its getting worse. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
and even the BB i like to start posting replys but most arnt worth my time ..ie same old thing <<< im not no where as good as you old salts (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) but i do try (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)..as for helping new guys i did that last nite ..i feel at least i can teach the basics ..or try to hehe
I love this game i came from WB << now that is getting old for me ..just to cut it short
you have my suport and ill do what i can to help out ..iv only squelched 1 person in here scents i started this game i guess thats good (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)...<S> ALL WHO POSTED POSITVE HERE ...
PS I MIGHT EVEN GAINDED a new respect for animal ..he might not be as bad as ti thought (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)...well see (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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DRILL
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I think most problems grow out of a misunderstanding of what the game is. The games most people are accustom to playing are set up to be as fair as possible, Baseball, basketball, etc.. We are playing at war. And the last thing anybody wants in a real war, is a fair fight. That would cost lives. I have often thought there should be a disclaimer on the front page of AH stating." This Game Will Not Be Fair". This would eliminate the outrage of a lot of newbie's. Fairness is not possible for HTC. So why should they even bother to try. If you have 2 guys in the same plane, with equal ability, the winner is going to be the one who's connection is working the best, for the game. The disclaimer would prepare the newbie for the challenge to come. They would be more inclined to learn from how they "died" and less inclined to whine about it.
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Good post HBlair. It's sad when one of the first radio commands I was asking about was "Can/How do I kill the 'all' channel??" Yet, coming from UO (Ultima Online for those who don't know) it's nothing new. At least we don't see d3wD $p3@k all over the comm!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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It's interesting seeing the evolution of the community that goes along witht he evolution of the game. I came in towards the end of Beta Tour 1 and I remember the days that when someone mouthed off or using foul language people would jump all over him. I think that was just from the fact that the community was so small and close knit everyone knew each other. Since then it's grown and with the influx of new people you're gonna get some bad ones. But with them come some great ones too. I agree hblair 100% maybe the good guys around here can help make this community a better one.
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I can say with certainty it's not the whiners that make this sim enjoyable.. it's the guys like Math, Kieren, Rip, WD, Ice, Midnight, Rollo, Woton, USArmy, Hblair, Udie, Santa, Berserker, Zigrat, Sling, Fatty, Animal, Rocket, Nexx, Nash, Ammo, Mighty1, Creamo, Funked, FDSki Yeager (Grommet?? LOL!) .. the list goes on and on and on..
These guys and a few hundred more like 'em make up this sim; set the tone.. The majority out there are QUALITY people.. The noisy 20 or thirty donutwoods with a tude are trash talkin over the fence and makin it SEEM like the arena is populated by dickheads. It ain't.
Please.. don't even respond to the idiots out there.. DON'T WASTE YER TIME TRYING TO TELL 'EM TO GO TA HELL. Acknowledging or responding to stupid chan 1 drivel is empowering the tards. Don't do it. Squelch 'em. The rest of us don't need to hear yer rebuttal.. we already said it to ourselves even before you started to type it... Move on; get more kills. Freeze the tards offa chan 1. Just don't answer 'em.
Remember.. "Engage the enemy. Not the keyboard".
Hang in there Hblair. <S!>
Hang
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Well said Hang!!! Now get yer bellybutton outta that boat and back in the MA where ya belong dammit!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Hblair
As a newbie myself i thank you for saying what you did in that post. It's nice to see that "We The Few , the Proud ,That suck" have a place here. I try to be nice and help anyone I can. Though that is very limited due to time in game. Hell I still get confused on the dang keyborad. I know very little about all the commands you can do to make things different in the game. I can read the help guide just as easy but , I'd rather play. Everytime I have asked a question I have gotten an answer. Not one time have I gotten flamed for asking or a smartass response. EVRYONE has helped. But I have seen this happen more than once. I have whinned a couple of times , not about getting shot down , cause I know it WAS my fault , but just frustrated at being killed by one plane when more were on his tail. That seems stupid but thats just me.
The "Kiddie" sim I came from had it's share of problems as well. I also know that"Leading by example" works most of the time. I am a father also. Your post was right on target. Only thing I'm owed is from myself. Make myself better. AH or HTC owe me nadda...And I like to keep it that way. The olbies should take time to remeber though , they wernt born with there jotsticks in hand. I'm sure it took awhile before they discovered em.
As a Ex-Golf Pro ,I understand the work involved to become good at something. Remember that we alllll were hackers at first....Later..Great Post and replies.
Jackal
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First time in the arena, during the beta, my first kill was TOWD, I was in a P38 he was in a 109-something.
he treated me of HO dweeb/vulcher/POS, backed up by CavemanJ. (when I actually killed him stalling dead 6 at 700y when he was trying to complete a loop).
I recall thinking : "wow... this comunauty sucks". I was coming from AW3, and there it wasn't so much "u suck dweeb thing".
But time after time, I guessed I got used to it. CavemanJ is even someone I respect now. I think respect is the key word. You can be the best pilot ever, nobody will respect you if you are Ahole.
I care a lot about how courteous I am in the MA (and same for all the 56th pilots BTW). Sometimes when I got shot down I want to &^%$#@ the other guy but I refrain myself, I recall my "first kill".
Courtesie/chevalry leads to friendship and respect. Like I usually say :"no need to shot down someone to win a figth". How do I care if I have 1 more kill, I just made a happy man, and a friend.
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Nice post hblair.
Salute
Sax
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What's owed to a player when he or she logs in is civil treatment and an equal opportunity to play.
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Good post Hblair!
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Good Post, totally agree.
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Agree 100% hblair. Excellent post.
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Good post hblair..now the REAL important stuff (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Bass Pro shop has a Bar???!!!!!! I thought you had to die to go to heaven. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I contribute incoherant babble on channel 1 that has no bearing to the game we play at all and usually consists of absolute crap, but atleast I don't call anyone dweebs.
I just tell them they suck bellybutton and leave it at that. (http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/happy/hjbigeyes.gif)
-SW
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Originally posted by aztec:
Good post hblair..now the REAL important stuff (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Bass Pro shop has a Bar???!!!!!! I thought you had to die to go to heaven. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Aztec, this Bass Pro Shop is a Disney world for outdoors people, BIIIIGG with formal dining room and sports bar upstairs that'll give Hooters a run for their money. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Gimme the grid coordinates Rip and I'll start saving for my plane ticket! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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About 5 miles west of Dallas/Ft.Worth airport. Udie and I managed to get lost trying to find it, about a 5 min trip that took 1 hour, LOL!
Cons coming up, hope they get some info to us soon, I'm ready !
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Very nice discussion everyone.
Does that wrap it up? Yes, I'm getting the nod, that about does it.
Wait! Wait! Before we all leave. How's about a big group hug?
GH (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Nice heads up, hblair. I will try to keep it cool. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Cheers,
Pepe