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Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: batdog on April 24, 2001, 08:29:00 AM
 I need help. FLown every plane in here and well... I hatem all. Only plane I've ever truely loved is the 38. I spent ALOT of time mastering it in aw... yes RR but FR as well. Well I laid of for a year or so and I'm here and I rot. Tips, tactics,tricks etc is what I need. Training, what ever. I'll goto the darkside damit just bloody get me going!

batdog
So use to dieing I might as well do it in my 38!!!!!
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: Lephturn on April 24, 2001, 08:51:00 AM
Email me at sconrad@hfx.eastlink.ca and I'll hook you up with a trainer for some 1v1.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

The 38 is a tricky beast to fly, especially versus the late war opposition in AH.  You might try looking for guys like BUG234 and TAC online, and ask to wing with them.  Oh, and if Cit is flying the 38, he's an expert in it for sure.  Ask around online for these guys and see if you can either observe them for a while or be their wingman.  If you really want to learn, head to the dueling arena and get 'em to smack you around in a 38, that way you'll really learn fast.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Sean "Lephturn" Conrad - Aces High Chief Trainer

A proud member of the mighty Flying Pigs
http://www.flyingpigs.com

Check out Lephturn's Aerodrome (http://users.andara.com/~sconrad/) for AH articles and training info!
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: Citabria on April 24, 2001, 09:37:00 AM
lephturn you guys need a good p-38 instructor  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: batdog on April 24, 2001, 12:29:00 PM
Awesome! Yea TAC has helped but I was kind of avoiding pesturing anybody to much in game. I'd love to do some 1 vrs 1. Citabra, I'd kill for tips info etc... I think I'm online about same time as you. Lep, gonna e-mail you.

batdog
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: Animal on April 24, 2001, 04:07:00 PM
batdog,
if you see me online, send me a private message.
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: Tac on April 24, 2001, 04:53:00 PM
Bug322 is way better than I am. He justs shoots like crap (and even then he beats me with a good margin  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ). Citabria is #1, imo bug322 is next, followed by Animal, Bessy, Ts, Zigrat (crap, that geek is good in everything), Viking and silat.I would have added Nath, he was a good E-handling teacher, but alas, he aint here no more  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) Anyone I missed add your name here.

I agree Citabria. AH needs a p38 trainer. Since you had the idea, you get to be it. Where and when can I sign for a class?  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: batdog on April 24, 2001, 06:03:00 PM
 Awesome, Animal I'll send you a message as soon as I can get on-line. My email is darkelve1@home.net... feel free to email me!

Thanks alot
batdog
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 25, 2001, 07:00:00 AM
Ask Central or Rob53 they fly the lightning regulary too.

But my best advise is fly the nik or spit u will be happy.
And stay happy coz the 38 is one off the most frustrating planes to fly.

Everyone will drool on u coz u a big easy target.

Niks will dive on u from 20K to u while u on the deck.
They forget all other (more lethal ) targets
just to get u

P38 is like a TBM or A Ju 88 they all drool on it.

I fly it now from day one and i became the most frustrated pilot in the whole ma.

I tell u it's not worth it
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: Lephturn on April 25, 2001, 07:58:00 AM
Bah, that's a bit defeatest Bug.

Ok, I've made up my mind.  Next tour I set my Jug aside and fly the P-38.

Heh, we'll see if I agree with you or not by the end of it Bug.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Sean "Lephturn" Conrad - Aces High Chief Trainer

A proud member of the mighty Flying Pigs
http://www.flyingpigs.com

Check out Lephturn's Aerodrome (http://users.andara.com/~sconrad/) for AH articles and training info!
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: Lephturn on April 25, 2001, 08:00:00 AM
Double Post.  I'll split it in half...

And yes Cit, we can always use more trainers.  Anybody that wants to help out another is welcome to do so in the Training Arena.  It is designed for this.  Helping folks out is not only very rewarding, but you tend to learn alot yourself doing it.  If any of you are interested in becoming official trainers, the way to become one is to spend some time in the TA helping out whenever you can.  Help out and see if you like it.  If you put the time in training be sure to let me know about it.  That's what gets you considered for the training gig.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Sean "Lephturn" Conrad - Aces High Chief Trainer

A proud member of the mighty Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)

Check out Lephturn's Aerodrome (http://users.andara.com/~sconrad/) for AH articles and training info!

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Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: batdog on April 25, 2001, 08:36:00 AM
 BUG... I'm ALREADY frustrated, I kind of dislike this plane set with the C-Hog as being such a force. The idea of dieing alot to a plane that was extreamly rare in WW2 seems... wrong. BUT I know if I get good  enough I'll be able to eat many a hog driver for dinner, the same as I eventualy could in AW3 with Spit9's and Ki's....

 You see I've flown every plane here... and I've not found ONE I love. Nothing here fits me... only my 38. SO I fiqure if I'm gonna rot I might as well work on mastering my favorite ride... the 38. The thought of a big ol twin engine bat out of hell coming to take you into the darkness gives me a damn woody man. I certainly dislike some of the modeling... flowler flaps, easy to kill (it was an all metal airframe and supposdly a tough one..?), bla bla bla but I see guys like yourself,TAC,ANimal Cit etc kicking bellybutton so why cant I? Besides... if you master a tough plane it kind of makes you different right? Ask my squadies... the BAT likes to be unique or at least rare...LOL.

 Anyway I hope I get to see all you 38 drivers out there and so far you've all been great... TAC, Animal, Lep, and Citabria (I need to hook up with you!). Animal helped me alot last night, and tonight I might pesture Cit and TAC...LOL.

 Anyway, fly till you die
Batdog

Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: Fatty on April 25, 2001, 08:39:00 AM
Ask Animal who his daddy is in p38.  Since he'll probably lie, I'll go ahead and tell you it's me.

Lucky or not, undefeated at 1 and 0!
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: Sparks on April 26, 2001, 02:04:00 AM
Although only living in H2H land at the moment I am also a frustrated 38 driver. Like you Batdog I don't feel comfortable in anything else. I would also be looking for some specific 38 training from someone.

If I set up a H2H arena this weekend (28th - 29th)for 38 training would anyone be interested and would anyone fancy stepping up as trainers??

BTW - has there been any response from HTC about the differences in between the RL flight performance and the AH flight model that were highlighted by Badboy in a thread a couple of months ago ??

Sparks
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: Animal on April 26, 2001, 02:32:00 AM
Go to hell Fatty.
Gosh, how much I hate you.
If there is anyone in Aces High I hate the most, it sure is Fatty. That jerk. I hope he falls down some stairs and breaks his jaw and legs.
I hate you Fatty. With all my heart.

Anyways BatDog, I tried to email you but seems like my email server is FUBAR. Mail is not getting thru. I think I'm gonna post the email I was about to send for all to read anywyas.

For further help on the P-38, go to the aircraft forum and do a search on P-38. There are lots of things like charts and tips.

Bug322, what the hell are you talking about? pure roadkill IMO. I can beat anyone flying anything against my P-38. I can beat LA7, I can EASILY beat F4U(d and c), Ponies, etc. I have most of my trouble with Nikis if they are 2 vs me, and zeros give me trouble even 1 on 1 if piloted by a good guy. Spits? I used to have most trouble with Spits until I decided to fly one exculsively for one tour, now that I am back to the P-38, I EAT SPITS FOR LUNCH.

I am perfectly happy with my P-38. I have no complains AT ALL with the flight model. When I fly my P-38, I fly with full confidence in my skill, knowing that when I lose, its because of my own mistakes, not because of the plane the other person is flying; I am above that. I had a good P-38 vs P-38 fight with you last day wich you won (things would have been different had I not been lower   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) and watching you fly, I cant see why you have so much trouble and grieve so much.

Take care, good luck, and keep flying the 38.

-Animal


P.s. I hate Fatty. Very, very much. He is a lying jerk and I hope he dies a painful and slow death involving a fat woman and vietnameese punjii sticks trap.

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Nethawk: Does your squad openly shoot down chutes?
Fatty: At times, but only if they want to.
Nethawk: Theyre scum
Fatty: cc they are scum

Fatty: as am I

Fat DRUNK Bastards



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Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: tshred on April 26, 2001, 05:41:00 AM
Start with alt, use vertical manuevers, try not to get low and slow and if you do, use flaps, and run like hell when in trouble. Don't forget your speed brakes in a dive and to use your throttle's, both of them if you have one of these:     (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

  (http://www.mtaonline.net/~tshred3/Throttle.jpg)  


ts

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Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 26, 2001, 06:04:00 AM
Well after that i flew the spitV making about 4X more kills with it as normally i would do with the P38.

That is more fun as seeking the whole arena for a perfect target (no interference etc.)


I wish i had dual throttle cool  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)


<S>
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: Nash on April 26, 2001, 07:41:00 AM
Ok ok...

The LAST thing ya wanna do is take advice from Animal.

Why?

Cause he sucks!

Honestly. He does.

Do the opposite of what he tells you... whatever that may be. You will be immensely better off.

Perhaps this will cause you to auger, or perhaps you will find yerself actually low and on an even terms fight with an opponent. But... you WON'T find yerself flailing about inna 1/2 retarded double octaflagueron full nelson twisting stall (screaming "I'm a moron! I'm a moron!") like the little git that Animal is. You don't want that. It just makes you look pathetic. One is too many for ANY flight sim.

I swear to god Animal is reason enough to have ACM monitors in the arena. He'd get his arse yanked back to the desktop right quick. Spare us all the embarrassment - squelch him from flying.

So....

What ya REALLY wanna do with Animal's advice is... print out this worthless CRAP on yer Epson... jam it into a cup of Sanka instant coffee and put it into the microwave for about, oh, 30-40 minutes. Let the stuff caramelize a little. Next - remove the cup, wrap a piece of tinfoil over the opening as to prevent spillage, then buy a plane ticket to NYC.

Once there, ask the cab driver to mellow, and carefully ferry that stink over to the East River... Better yet the Hudson... Somewhere 'tween the peers of W. Manhattan and Hoboken New Jersey... Then just toss that garbage to the scum suckin' bottom feedin' lifeforms to digest and regurgitate. Hell.. they'll prolly even refuse to eat it. And who would blame em?

I am telling you with all my heart and soul because I FEEL for you poor 38 drivers...

Fer Chrissakes, DO NOT listen to Animal. He is beyond hope.

MAN(!) does he ever suck.

I need a shower right now just thinking about him.

<edit>
38 Drivers? You owe me.



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Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: DMax on April 26, 2001, 09:04:00 AM
 
Quote
Originally posted by Nash:

The LAST thing ya wanna do is take advice from Animal.

Why?

Cause he sucks!

Honestly. He does........


Gee Nash, don't sugar coat it   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)



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Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: Exile on April 26, 2001, 09:29:00 AM
Nash ... that's just beautiful man <snif snif>

You make the CON this year and drinks are on me the first night.

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Exile
Tard Extraordinaire
SIMLADDER.COM (http://aceshigh.simladder.com/)
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: batdog on April 26, 2001, 09:57:00 AM
 ANimal try sending it to :      muzgashilikepiggies@hotmail.com

 Anyway... I have many questions:
WHats a 38's cornoring speed?
Tactics vrs various planes?
How do I present a smaller target on say merges/zoom? Ie 38 blossums real well  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Convergence?
Use manual trim...? I use elevator trim in dives to avoid going splat.
Anybody wanna send me some film?
Anybody wanna duel me and teach me... wing with me some more.. bla bla bla..

batdog
I die alot.. but I'm happier now.

Batdog
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: sling322 on April 26, 2001, 11:11:00 AM
Damn...I might just have to cover Nash on night 2 of the con.  That.....was.....awesome man.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Sling322
Not a Monitor!
Fat Drunk "Chute Shooting" Bastards
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: Animal on April 26, 2001, 04:29:00 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaat?

Nash.. you... FOOL

You dont know who you are dealing with.
So I suck so much?
then why did i OWNED you last night, huh?
Oh wait, you are about to call me a LIAR, so I will just post this little FILM I got over here..

Nash SUCKS! Click here to see the truth. (http://home.coqui.net/dimitri/Nashsucks.ahf)

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Nethawk: Does your squad openly shoot down chutes?
Fatty: At times, but only if they want to.
Nethawk: Theyre scum
Fatty: cc they are scum

Fatty: as am I

Fat DRUNK Bastards
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 26, 2001, 04:46:00 PM
Nash thought u made a joke cmon guys

U all know me as a whiner but i would never go personal like that.

quit that crap
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: aztec on April 26, 2001, 04:46:00 PM
ROFLMAO!..priceless guys  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 26, 2001, 04:48:00 PM
Animal is a damn good P38 driver.
can't be a rookie to fly it like he does

IMO (or what so ever)
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 26, 2001, 04:51:00 PM
guess it's a joke
Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: batdog on April 26, 2001, 08:47:00 PM
 Hey.. Citabria, been looking for you. When are you on? Animal,,,anybody I sure could use some film. My home email is once again darkelve1@home.com or .net doesnt seem to matter.
P.S. New handle in game is xBAT


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Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: Citabria on April 27, 2001, 02:14:00 PM
im in H2H a good bit under callsign cit and can give you p38 instruction there.

my stats in p38 (flown it as main ride since it was added to Aces High   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) tour 15 handle Cit. other tours Citabria.

Tour 15Citabria has 280 kills and has been killed 46 times in the P-38L.
Tour 12Citabria has 374 kills and has been killed 61 times in the P-38L.
Tour 11Citabria has 120 kills and has been killed 3 times in the P-38L.
Tour 10Citabria has 201 kills and has been killed 32 times in the P-38L.
Tour 09Citabria has 61 kills and has been killed 0 times in the P-38L.
Tour 08Citabria has 161 kills and has been killed 25 times in the P-38L.
Tour 07Citabria has 452 kills and has been killed 109 times in the P-38L.
Tour 06Citabria has 488 kills and has been killed 108 times in the P-38L.
Tour 05Citabria has 553 kills and has been killed 92 times in the P-38L.
Tour 04Citabria has 126 kills and has been killed 28 times in the P-38L.
Tour 03Citabria has 459 kills and has been killed 60 times in the P-38L.
Tour 02Citabria has 309 kills and has been killed 67 times in the P-38L.
Tour 01Citabria has 10 kills and has been killed 1 time in the P-38L.

man. didnt realize how much a AH junkie i was till i typed that.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)



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Title: 38 tips/training...please?
Post by: batdog on April 28, 2001, 11:08:00 AM
Okies man! Drex is helping me as well! I'll look for you. Errr what times you on?

batdog
darkelve1@home.com or .net or... hell it all works.
 
xBAT